The War Between Callaway and TaylorMade Could Get Ugly
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The War Between Callaway and TaylorMade Could Get Ugly

The War Between Callaway and TaylorMade Could Get Ugly

Just a bit ago Callaway and TaylorMade, or at a minimum employees of Callaway and TaylorMade, tossed a couple of pebbles at one another via Twitter.

It started with Callaway’s Official account posting a link to a story documenting Callaway’s decade plus use of multi-material construction in its drivers. The story is clearly meant to remind golfers that while TaylorMade is talking about its #UnMetalWoods like they’ve just now stumbled upon some ground-breaking technology, the reality is that basically everyone in golf other than TaylorMade (and especially Callaway) has, at one time or another, had composite drivers in its lineup.

Ryan Lauder, who heads up TaylorMade’s Digital Marketing and Consumer Engagement team (and whose opinions and statements are likely his own) was quick to toss a pebble back; reminding us all that TaylorMade actually released a composite-crowned driver to the European market back in 2003.

It Could Get Ugly?

One has to wonder if starting a social media squabble by pitting one driver that’s generally regarded as a massive failure against another that basically nobody knows exists is the best way to start a brand war, though it should be pointed out that neither company explicitly mentions the other by name. This is one where a bit of attention is required to see what’s actually going on.

It should also be pointed out that this isn’t the first time representatives of the two companies have traded jabs.

Nevertheless, it appears the trash talk is escalating, and we could be entering a very interesting time. We might even be inching towards a tipping point in the war on bullshit.

Half-Full of Shit Is Just Fine

There’s a bit of an unspoken rule in the golf equipment world…and I’ve mentioned this before. Basically, everyone tolerates everyone else being a little full of shit. That’s part of the game. But what happens when competitors become fed up with the other guy being totally full of shit?

We might actually find out.

The rivalry between Callaway and TaylorMade runs deep, the dislike is real, and so given that we’re at a point where each views a good bit of what the other says and does as misleading (a nice way of phrasing total bullshit), it’s not out of the realm of possibility that one, the other, or both might start reaching for bigger rocks – and they’re not going to be thrown in private.

Is This Something You’d Like to See

Do you think it would ultimately benefit the consumer if golf companies actually started calling each other out for misleading advertising, questionable statements, and all of the other nonsense that everyone in the industry knows about, but nobody says anything about?

That should be the media’s responsibility, but you can make a perfectly valid argument that the industry needs to do a better job policing itself, because the reliance on ad dollars basically ensures that big media will step in whatever pile is dropped at its feet. No questions asked…at least not publicly.

Competitors calling bullshit on competitors; is this something you’d like to see happen? Is there a right way to call out a competitor, or do you believe that golf companies would be better served by taking stock of their glass walls, dropping their stones, and keeping their mouths shut?

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      Mybluc4

      8 years ago

      At the end of the day “If you ain’t got a swing you ain’t got a thing”.
      I’m sticking with PING…they bring out new sticks in a slow, methodical kind of way making sure they are effective, dynamic and have a purpose.

      Reply

      Andrew Rogers

      8 years ago

      Looks like they’ll do it to themselves

      Reply

      Robert Dwyer

      8 years ago

      I’m an amature golfer, I play well enought to maintain a single digit handicap, I’m also an admitted equipment junkie. That said I often run into other players with aging golf equipment who have and will continue to best me in 18 hole matches. So sadly a lot of this promotional propaganda is exactly that BS. How many times have you heard” it’s not the stick, it’s the guy holding it ” so true.

      Reply

      petethepro

      8 years ago

      On the other hand….. Callaway and Taylor Made continue to deliver to the consumer stunningly good equipment. Both they, and a handful of other top brand names, do exactly what the golfer is looking for – incredible technology applied within the limitations of the Rule of Golf, particularly relating to the ball and clubs. Each company has their philosophy – product cycles, price points, new materials, etc. This is not a great time to be manufacturing golf equipment. There is a limit to how many golfers embrace the newest and latest (for the good of their game). Many consumers are proud to boast about their E-Bay deal or how great their 5 year old driver still is. We (unconsciously) strike a deal with a retailer when we are in the market for new clubs. We want their expertise, their manufacturing skills. You pay for that out of your hard earned money. What’s wrong with that? You take your new irons or stunningly brilliant driver to the 1st tee and have amazing fun. Spats between companies are trivial. Claims made by various companies are generally fair and reasonable. Some golfers’ expectations are beyond what every company in golf can produce. And we know, if we take a moment, breathe slowly and apply logical thought, that a kid with a great swing and half a set of decent but inexpensive clubs will trash the vast majority of adult golfers every day of the week. My advice is easy enough, buy good equipment, look after it and enjoy it.

      Reply

      Darryn Patch

      8 years ago

      Wouldn’t buy anything taylormade made

      I saw through their bullshit claims when i first started playing

      Same as that garbage about srixon balls where the bloke says wouldn’t you rather be here than in the trees

      Reply

      Al Humphrey

      8 years ago

      I work with Mizuno and Tom Wishon products, and fitting systems. Have long thought that the same marketing folks who do ladies fashions….work for Cally and TMAG. How in the world can anyone keep track of what these folks keep pumping out ??….What is their business model….shelf space and reduced price dominance ? . I’ll take lasting designs any time over this nonsense. I pull their stuff apart, and have to tell you, their assembly leaves much to be desired. Mizuno is on a 2 year product cycle….and Wishon heads are so cutting edge, they live 5-6 years. As I told someone recently…” it’s the shaft, bozo ” !….Try Steel Fiber composites….longer, straighter, higher !….

      Reply

      Brad

      8 years ago

      All golf equipment is at maximum allowable limits. All balls and clubs are “the longest in golf”.
      If they weren’t blowing smoke up our arses they’d have nothing to say.

      Reply

      Steve

      8 years ago

      It’s all bullshit……from the ads to them calling each other out. I stopped paying attention to all the faster, straighter, lighter, lower COG, higher MOI, crap years ago. A good swing makes just about any club work and none of this tiny tweaking every 6 months will help my score.

      Reply

      Popeye

      8 years ago

      Anyone remember being sucked into the Callaway C3 driver ?
      I did, but not for long….

      Reply

      RL

      8 years ago

      Yes Puhleeze, allow companies to call BS publicly in golf. This I welcome as the last frontier of such possibility where competitors can hold eachother accountable. Meanwhile, investigative journalists risk defamation lawsuits for letting me know my food sources are not up to par. Pun?

      Reply

      Lu Howard

      8 years ago

      These are all legit companies that put times in original design and R&D. And we all know they all get (influences) from each other on the products, as long as it stays out of patent laws. It’s the marketing department needs to tame down on how much bs they use to direct buyers attention or misguide them. As for consumers, we just want bit more clean marketing info for us not to feel deceived.

      Reply

      Josh Gold

      8 years ago

      I don’t think anybody cares when carbon technology came out…

      Reply

      Satan's Blade

      8 years ago

      Sure, Callaway helped pioneer composite driver heads, but anyone who has owned an FT3, FT5, FT9 and especially an FT9 TA or FT Tour knows the sinking feeling in the gut when their driver suddenly made a different noise and the ball started dropping out the air around 180 after the seams blew on the head. They were one of the first, but also one of the worst.

      Reply

      Michael Billings

      8 years ago

      Well, I started golfing as a kid in the 70’s with essentially plastic ‘woods’ as part of a store brand set. Since then, every year, clubs have gotten 10 yards longer. So, by definition my driver, after 40 years of improvement, should go somewhere in the area of 500 yards off the tee. Add to that the improvements in golf ball technology in 40 years, and I’m sure we could tack on another say 20 yards just for a little icing on the cake? My swing speed of 104 nets me 260-270 yards on a good day. If I’m only getting half the distance I’m supposed to, how come I don’t pay half price for my clubs? This week for example I have the privilege to buy from Golftown here in Canada a special edition Callaway XR-16 with the HZRDUS Yellow shaft. Price? A mere $799 + tax (another $104). So just a couple steps away from a grand for ONE club. I’m thinking $1,000 worth of instruction and practice buckets would do my game far more good than another new driver. By comparison, I bought a used driver on Craiglist last fall. Cleveland Launcher. 12 degrees and a great Miyazaki 43g shaft. Needed a new grip. What princely sum did I pay for this club? $25. Yup. Great little bangstick which after regripping cost less than $50.

      Reply

      TonyG

      8 years ago

      What about Yonex? I believe I was playing their “unmetal” Driver 25 years ago.

      Reply

      Steve Mackenthun

      8 years ago

      Yep ! You got it ….

      Reply

      joro

      8 years ago

      I played those also. If they had a Ti face they could have been spectacular. I thought that being light and strong they had some real possibilities. A Ti face would have solved the face problems and a soleplate with weights like the PXG would have been great. The idea was there. Those Yonex clubs were great. The Tour Irons with the Boron shafts.

      I still have a 5 wood and 2 iron, the rest were stolen.

      Reply

      RAT

      8 years ago

      It’s long over due for honesty in advertisments. All these statements make our politicians statements look tame . Maybe they’ve worked in election campaigns before ! The problem maybe in the rules from the usga and the pga need to change to allow more freedom in the R&D .

      Reply

      Ryan Holcomb

      8 years ago

      I tried starting a war with Cameron… But he chickened out.

      Reply

      Bryan Kloss

      8 years ago

      Anyone with 1/2 a brain would see what you guys do with your flat sticks as head and shoulders above SC

      Reply

      Shawn Monroe

      8 years ago

      Agreed! Quality over Quantity! #Titleist more companies should follow their release timelines of every two years

      Reply

      Justin Blair

      8 years ago

      That’s how it used to be…

      Reply

      Haddy

      8 years ago

      I agree, love the Titleist release schedule. But…as an ex club fitter the quality is still there with Tmag drivers. Head to head Titlest can’t touch the distance, but dominates in the feel category

      Reply

      SirShives

      8 years ago

      Maybe it’s not exactly calling the competitor out on their BS, but the top guy at Wilson Staff stated that Callaway’s chrome soft is a straight ripoff of the W/S Duo. Is there a “hot/crazy” scale for companies making accusations/calling total BS on the competition? Where does this beef rank on the scale?

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      Tony Covey

      8 years ago

      There probably should be. In this case, I think the core issue isn’t about who used Carbon-Composite first, or who stole what from whom.

      It’s about the marketing behind the M series. The tone of the ads, videos, etc. suggests to the uninformed golfer (the average guy really) that TaylorMade developed this radical new material that allowed them to move the CG…when in fact it’s basically not much different than material that’s been in use in the industry for over a decade. I mean, let’s be honest, this whole #UnMetal wood thing is nonsense in so much as PING, Callaway, Cobra, and Titleist have accounted for a significant number of pre-M unmetal woods.

      Clever-ish marketing around old technology.

      With the new irons TaylorMade has included some marketing material that, at a minimum, suggests unrealistic performance on a comparative basis (peak height 30% higher than competitors)…and that’s before we start talking about testing GI irons on a robot at tour player speeds…definitely not a realistic representation of an actual usage scenario. We could also point to how TM portrayed it’s CG movement in its SLDR videos (for “illustrative purposes” it showed the CG as basically being directly against the face).

      This is the sort of thing I expect we’ll start to see them called out publicly for…and honestly, I think that’s absolutely reasonable.

      Callaway isn’t exactly squeaky clean either. They got dinged over their longest driver in golf claim (RAZR FIT XTREME), and it’s safe to assume that it’s TaylorMade who made the noise over Callaway’s claim that Bertha irons were 2 clubs longer, and we’ve accused them of playing fast and loose with language in describing how well their Bertha drivers were selling. What I’ve noticed is that Callaway has transitioned away from nonsense claims and is instead relying heavily on simple language (fast and forgiving) to get its message across.

      We can say that everybody lies and so everyone should just stop complaining, but the increasing level of total bullshit makes it impossible for honest companies to compete. I mean, if you’re PING, for example, and you make a solid iron, and your honest about its capabilities, should you sit quietly while TaylorMade releases videos suggesting a ridiculous performance advantage that simply isn’t realistic?

      Reply

      Uhit

      8 years ago

      Well, marketing departments are not really known for objectivity:

      I tried the Chrome Soft – the ball that changed the ball –
      …and found that it was just another good performer for slower swing speeds…
      …nothing more and nothing to rave about at higher swing speeds, or windy conditions.

      I have a Ping G30 driver with the famous Turbulators and found, that it is neither the most forgiving driver (my Ping G20 seems to be better in this regard), nor the longest…
      …my Cobra BC Pro is noticeably longer.

      My Ping G30 4i has 21 deg loft – like a classic 3 iron…
      …however, I managed to half my handicap with those irons during the last season…
      …meanwhile I use TM RSi TP irons and wonder why I was satisfied with the Ping set.

      You know countless examples like those for sure…

      Perception is a key in the game Golf, and perception can be influenced by opinion leaders, advertising, and last, but not least:

      own experiences

      …and that is key for success – isn’t it?

      Maybe we should blame our biased perception more, than the variety of BS and tools we can choose from…

      P.S.:

      Thank you for the hint to 2UNDR – real good stuff for the balls, and no BS included!

      Regis

      8 years ago

      How about this perspective. It was Taylor Made that introduced the metal wood in 1979 with their Pittsburgh Persimmon , an innovation in club design that no other club manufacturer has been close to matching. Its also an innovation that every other manufacturer has poached for close to 40 years (By the way that’s 4 decades as opposed to close to one). Therefore, the M series, from TMAG’s perspective, is their “UnMetal”. something unique from the brand that brought you the original “Metal” wood. Flows nicely don’t you think?

      Shadow

      8 years ago

      Good one, and didn’t Wilson Staff call out on TM about the speed slots on TM irons, that it was WS who first had irons with these, and TM was ripping off past technology from other brands?

      Reply

      joro

      8 years ago

      Actually Wilson came out with the “speedslot” in the Shamrock Iron many moons ago which was declared illegal for the space behind the face. The Bluenoses at USGA said it violated the design of an Iron, which why I was shocked when TM came out with the same thing and it was okay. Money???

      I just got a set of the new Wilson C200 irons and they are great. Sound and feel is wonderful and with the Rogue Graphite are like butter. I hope they bring out the same think in the Woods soon.

      Tom54

      8 years ago

      Companies calling BS on each other? What is this, the Presidential election? I use both Callaway and Taylormade clubs so I know they’re both full of BS and they both make good equipment.

      Reply

      Kris Penner

      8 years ago

      I could not like this article enough… They are all full of it and TM and Callaway are the worst of the lot… Find a shaft that works and a driver you can stand to look at and go play golf…

      Reply

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