Callaway wants you to know, “This isn’t what it looks like.”
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Callaway wants you to know, “This isn’t what it looks like.”

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Callaway wants you to know, “This isn’t what it looks like.”

Written By: Tony Covey

Friends, let me paint a scene for you.

A young woman emerges from a dimly lit hallway. Her hair is a tangled, frazzled mess. What’s left of her makeup is streaked across her face. There was a party, and now it’s over. One hand clutches her underwear the other reaches into open space is if it’s making one final desperate grab for dignity.

She’s been naughty.

You…you’ve seen this before. You know exactly what this is. Unmistakable is the walk of shame, or so you think, but in the waning moments before you pass final judgement, the young woman’s eyes lock on yours. She smiles innocently and says,

“This isn’t what it looks like”

Bertha is Her Name

The young woman, her name might as well be Bertha, and over the last 9 months or so, Callaway Golf has thrown one hell of a party in her honor.

Depending on your perspective, Callaway has been either prolific or promiscuous with its driver releases. 15 months (give or take) has brought us:

  • FT Optiforce (evolved to Bertha V-Series)
  • X2 Hot
  • X2 Hot Pro
  • Big Bertha (replaced by Big Bertha Alpha 815)
  • Big Bertha Alpha (replaced by Big Bertha Alpha 815 Double Black Diamond)
  • Big Bertha V-Series (there’s still time)

Ignore U-Design and that’s still 1, 2, 3…oh hell there’s more.

Media was given the green light to run with the launching of the latest and greatest Big Berthas last week, so lots of information is already out there, but yesterday Callaway made it official, which basically means there are now lots of videos detailing every reason why you absolutely must have the new Big Bertha Alpha 815  or the Big Bertha Alpha 815 Double Black Diamond…you know, assuming you don’t already have the Big Bertha V-Series.

I swear to god, if you’re just hearing about this for the first time, I promise you, I’m not making this up.

8 drivers in just over 1 year, 5 of them bearing the Big Bertha name.

Let’s dig a little bit deeper.

The Pertinent Technical Details

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As you’ve already been told, the 2015 (or 815 if you prefer) series of Big Bertha’s features two models. The Big Bertha Alpha 815  replaces last seasons regular Big Bertha, while the new Big Bertha Alpha 815 Double Black Diamond (yes, that’s the real name), is the direct replacement for the Big Bertha Alpha.

They’re both Alphas, so we can assume that Callaway plans to use Alpha anytime a gravity core is involved. And so as it happens, both models do in fact feature Callaway’s Gravity Core technology along with adjustable heel/toe weighting.

In case you haven’t pieced it together, the name Double Black Diamond is meant to imply difficulty (skiers will recognize the nomenclature instantaneously). It’s hard to say whether golfers who live states away from ski areas will get the reference, but the point is, Big Bertha Alpha 815 Double Black Diamond is less forgiving (more difficult to hit), and designed primarily with better players in mind.

The name almost literally says extreme difficulty. Am I the only one who really wants one?

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For its part, Big Bertha Alpha 815 (no black diamonds) is the the flagship driver for the rest of us; designed with an emphasis on side spin (technically no such thing) correction and general playability.

The most notable change in either of the two models is that Callaway has eliminated the perimeter track weighting system from the previous Big Bertha, and replaced it with the movable weight system most commonly associated with the company’s RAZR FIT Series. While Callaway didn’t respond to questions in time for publication, sources are telling us Callaway moved away from the perimeter system because the average consumer wasn’t leveraging the technology to its fullest capabilities.

Basically, weights were most commonly set at one extreme or the other, with intermediate settings largely ignored. Moving back to the one heavy, one light weight system should simplify things a bit. It’s either one or the other. There is no more in-between. The weight system is common to both new Alphas, however; the heavier weight in the DBD is 2 grams lighter than it is in the standard 815 Alpha.

Both drivers feature what Callaway is calling Rib Motion Control Technology, or R-MOTO. Basically, Callaway engineers developed a rib structure along the leading edge of the driver. This structure allowed Callaway to save some weight up front, which gave them 3 grams of weight to move low and back to improve MOI.

We haven’t seen any direct performance claims from Callaway this time around, but worth a mention…the company is already saying that Double Black Diamond produces approximately 100 RPM less spin than last…actually, let’s call it what it is…THIS season’s original Alpha.

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Both models feature Callaway’s Optifit hosel which allows the golfer to reduce loft by 1°, or increase it by 2°.

Pricing and Availability

The Big Bertha Alpha 815  will be available in lofts of 9°, 10.5°, and 12°. Stock shaft is the Fujikura Speeder 565. Retail Prices is $449.

The Big Bertha Alpha 815 Double Black Diamond will be available in lofts of 9° and 10.5°. Stock shaft is the Aldila Rogue Silver. Retail Price is $499.

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In both cases, a multitude of other shaft options (upgrade charges may apply).

Callaway Is Alone On (Vertical) Gravity Core Island

Gravity Core works. It absolutely does.

Our own tests revealed that Gravity Core performed exactly as advertised. We saw almost precisely a 300 RPM reduction in spin when we moved the core from weight up to weight down.

But…

As you may be aware, at last year’s PGA Show, TaylorMade’s Chief Technical Officer, Benoit Vincent caused a stir when he called Gravity Core Technology “a fraud“. His argument was simple. Nobody needs more spin, golfers simply need more loft.

Gravity Core works, but is it necessary?

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I’ve run countless sample shots using FlightScope’s Trajectory Optimizer, and while it is possible to produce slightly more carry with higher spin, I’ve yet to run across a single case where adding spin without adding loft produces more total distance. In fact, as your launch conditions move closer to generally excepted ideals, the consequences of greater spin are amplified. Independent trajectory models suggest more spin is almost never actually desirable.

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So why add spin?

You can always (with anybody’s technology) make the case for gimmickry. Companies get locked into bad technology all the time. They build an identity around a look or tech feature…gravity core, low/forward CG (TaylorMade), cavity back driver (Nike)…and then they’re stuck with it. It’s bad business to totally invalidate what’s been billed as break-through technology after only a single iteration or two, and so, for better or worse,  you roll with it.

Why Vertical?

It has been suggested to me that the primary gravity core is actually intended for a few Tour Players who don’t like the way additional loft looks at address. If a guy needs 10.5, but doesn’t like to look at more than 9.5 degrees or so of face, then adding spin is a nice little workaround.

From an engineering standpoint, all of the experts I’ve spoken with about Gravity Core tell me vertically is the wrong way to move weight. Positioning the Gravity Core in the up position moves the center of gravity farther away from the neutral axis of the driver head. This is a recipe for decreased efficiency (energy transfer) at impact.

You’re going to see more manufacturers bring adjustable CG technology to market, but it’s an almost certainty that Callaway will be the only ones leveraging straight vertical adjustment.

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What’s interesting is that Callaway puts the number of golfers who play the gravity core up close to 50% (those same experts I’ve spoken with estimate the more-spin-is-beneficial crowd is actually under 10% of golfers). Is there a technical discrepancy for the differences?

Look it’s entirely possible Callaway is ahead of the curve here. History is full of examples where one guy proved the majority wrong, but the thing is, we’re dealing with reasonably well-accepted physics of design kind of stuff here.

It’s entire possible such a high percentage of golfers play with the core up because Callaway didn’t manufacturer an Alpha driver with sufficient loft to properly fit a good percentage of those customers.

Here’s something else to think about…

The benefit of Callaway’s R-MOTO technology is that it allows additional weight to be placed low and back. Everyone in the industry other than TaylorMade believes low and back is more beneficial than basically any other combination. So why…in a model where Callaway says it wants to be low and back (that’s where they moved the weight they saved through R-MOTO), would it then suggest a golfer take some of that weight it just moved low, and move it high? There is an apparent contradiction here.

We’re planning a larger story on CG movement, and hope to hear what Callaway has to say on the subject.

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Callaway Stole the TaylorMade Playbook

If you’ve been keeping up with our articles on the state of the golf industry, you’re by now aware that one of the biggest issues facing retailers is the seemingly never ending cycle of quick releases followed by increasingly quicker discounts.

Release a driver. Drop the price. Release a new driver.

You have seen this before. On the surface anyway, there are eery similarities between what Callaway is doing now and the model that many suggest is directly responsible for the declining health of the golf equipment market.

Let’s put it out there.

The current Callaway approach looks like market flooding. It looks like rapid discounting. It looks almost exactly like the TaylorMade business model of the past several years.

It looks like Callaway stole the TaylorMade playbook.

The guys at Callaway, I believe, would like you to know that this isn’t what it looks like.

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So What is going on here?

That’s exactly what I asked Callaway.

More than two weeks ago, I submitted a list of questions…what I think are very fair questions…to company representatives.

As of this writing, and despite numerous follow-up requests, I have not received an answer to a single one of them.

It has been suggested to me on several occasions that Callaway believes it’s possible to succeed under an accelerated release schedule provided two things are true:

1. Products are differentiated from one another.

In Callaway terms, the Double Black Diamond isn’t for the same guy who buys Big Bertha V-Series, AND (and that’s a big AND), the consumer understands that.

And so, allow me to present…

The Callaway Differentiation Strategy

Presumably with 2 new Alpha 815, and Alpha 815 Double Black Diamond joining the V Series, the Big Bertha Family of drivers is now complete. Hopefully nobody mates and has Bertha minis, because frankly, I think this is at least as many Bertha drivers as the market can bear.

Differentiation is a huge part of the Callaway strategy moving forward. Basically, if Callaway is able to help the consumer understand that none of these is right for everyone, but one is right for YOU, then it might be possible to continue to release products at an accelerated rate.

If, however, the consumer starts to believe that anything new is a replacement for everything old (V-Series is 7 YARDS LONGER than Big Bertha), well then confusion sets in. That’s bad for retailers. It’s bad for the industry as a whole (more inventory collecting dust), and it will be bad for Callaway too.

So to (maybe) avoid confusion, Callaway is targeting the Bertha line at 3 distinct types of golfers, while making a concerted effort to help you understand the differences.

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Double Black Diamond is for better players. It’s less forgiving than the others, but it’s super low spin for maximum distance.

Bertha 815 Alpha offers more “side spin correction” (emphasis for the dubiousness of the term “side spin”), more forgiveness, and more playability in a general sense for the majority of golfers. It’s still low spin (because low spin is good), but not as low spin as Double Black Diamond.

V-Series…it’s for guys who need some help generating clubhead speed. It’s lightweight, it’s aerodynamic. It’s for those of you who are force limited (you don’t swing so fast). It’s designed to add MPH to your swing. This is exactly why Callaway uses terms like “Faster” to describe V-Series.

It should go without saying that there will always be some overlap between the Bertha models. Idiots like me will buy Double Black Diamond because we’re willing to sacrifice yardage on mishits for more distance on those rare occasions when we actually hit the center of the face.

V-Series, even though it’s primarily for slow swingers, gets play on tour, because sometimes it just works.

The point is, while there are no absolutes in any of this, Callaway is doing everything it can in an attempt to differentiate its individual products from one another.

To that end, Callaway has produced 3 “Where Will Your Distance Come From” videos.

Normally I wouldn’t stack 3 videos like this, but I think it’s important for everyone to understand how Callaway plans to differentiate it’s product, and these videos pretty much convey the message. Feel free to skip ahead.

Enjoy…



What About X Hot?

Xhot will remain in the lineup, and while it will be billed as basic tech, all-titanium, etc. What we’re really talking about is an option for people too cheap who won’t spend $400 on a new driver.

The Other Thing that Needs to Be True

Make no mistake about it. Despite surface signs that the industry can’t take anymore, Callaway believes it’s possible to maintain accelerated release cycles provided inventory is properly managed (retailers aren’t stuck holding the bag on a bunch of gear they can’t sell). If it can do that, Callaway (I’m told anyway) believes it is in fact possible to avoid the rapid discount model that is killing retailers.

To sum it up, Callaway believes they can manage inventory in such a way that price drops are only necessary to clear out a relative few remaining units, and that’s only if the product doesn’t sell out entirely first.

How are they going to do that?

Lots of Unanswered Questions

That’s exactly what we wanted to know. And so I asked.

Here that list of questions I submitted to Callaway to try and get to the heart of exactly how this strategy is different than what we’ve seen before (and what, for that matter, failed miserably).

Sentence structure has been cleaned up to be more formal (contrary to what you might believe, I get on well with the Callaway guys…we keep it loose), and names have been eliminated. Otherwise, these questions, their context and spirit are exactly as submitted.

Here’s what I’ve been told is the basic breakdown of your category differentiation strategy.

4 Categories:

1. Force Limited (V Series)
2. Side Spin Correction (Bertha Alpha 815)
3. Better Player (Double Black Diamond)
4. Value Consumer (All Titanium, X Series, basic tech, etc.)

Did I miss anything?

Unanswered to date.

Is it fair to say that each is ‘primarily for’ a given audience, but there’s always some overlap (none of your tour guys are force limited, for example, but V Series gets tour play)?

Unanswered to date.

Did Bertha’s perimeter weighting go away because consumer’s just didn’t get it/weren’t able to take advantage (was explained to me less tactfully, but that’s the gist)?

Unanswered to date.

Sources tell me that Callaway believes that consumers don’t hate rapid release cycles, what they hate is rapid discounting (somebody else buying for less). Is that an accurate characterization of the thinking inside Callaway?

Unanswered to date.

It has been suggested in the forum world that Callaway is simply following the TaylorMade playbook/release model. How is what Callaway is doing different?

Unanswered to date.

Assuming that the timing of this launch (less than 1 year after BB/BBA launch) is about aligning/setting up the timing for the future, how often should the consumer expect you to launch direct replacements? What is the anticipated shelf life of a Callaway driver?

Unanswered to date.

Will you offer the consumer any sort of guarantees regarding how long you will maintain the original MAP price (and not toss in any fairway woods, or any of that nonsense)? 

Unanswered to date.

Assuming an aggressive release schedule, how can you prevent the channel from overfilling and forcing another round of quick discounts?

Unanswered to date.

Whatever your answer to the above…what happens if you’re wrong? What’s the escape for retailers? Net Down, credits, or will you take the excess back and give refunds?

Unanswered to date.

Even if you’re able to manage inventory, maintain pricing, etc., have you given any consideration to the reality that people just want new gear (the latest and greatest), and when they can’t always have it (because none of this is cheap), irrational or not, it just kind of pisses them off, and they blame the manufacturer?

Unanswered to date.

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The Takeaway

I suppose what you need to know is that Callaway has two new premium priced (one more premium than the other) drivers about to land on a retail shelf near you. My guess is that you bought Alpha in March or April (and paid full price), you’re peeved. I’m guessing if you bought Bertha or Alpha, you probably expected more than a 9 month lifespan, and you’re peeved too.

You’re not being irrational. There are seldom guarantees, but a 9 month shelf life for what was originally a $500 is obscene.

Having said that, the indisputable reality is that the releases of these two drivers doesn’t diminishes your previous purchase (although arguably, eBay being what it is, it does diminish the value). Both of the early 2014 Big Bertha drivers perform as well as they ever did.

In terms of that performance, it’s reasonable to expect minor gains (it’s rare to see a major leap any more), and while we thought Bertha proper was nothing special, Alpha (for the guy who fit into the narrow range of lofts) was inarguably among the best drivers this season. I expect measurable improvement from Big Bertha Alpha 815, and Double Black Diamond should prove a standout for its intended audience as well.

The sticking point isn’t performance. For many, the frequency of releases coupled with the rapid discounts is the problem. It makes buying a Callaway driver a risky proposition.

Why buy now when it will be cheaper in 6 weeks? Why buy in 6 weeks when the next model is just a few months away? For the average consumer, more than ever, it doesn’t make sense…not at these premium prices.

In the interest of full disclosure, I’ve been told there’s a plan. I believe there is a plan, and while I’m not certain it will work, I’d love to see Callaway make a run at it and even succeed. What company representatives have hinted at is at least interesting. Maybe even ground-breaking.

The thing is, until someone can explain to the consumer exactly why this isn’t what it looks like, it’s plenty reasonable for you to assume that it is in fact exactly what it looks like.

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      Desmond

      9 years ago

      And with an article like this, you wonder why Callaway doesn’t offer you clubs for reviews?

      It’s a bit misleading. The 815’s are 2015 drivers.

      Basically, they have 4 drivers in any year, V, 815, and DBD are differentiated by performance. The XR is the “economy” model.

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      retiredRichard

      9 years ago

      Tony-Any numbers on the MOI and spin rates on both 815 and 815 DBD? And, is there any/much increase/change if you add 2-4 grams of additional weight to both the heel and toe weights and use a light weight shaft (39-43g vs Callaways stock 69g/D4 set up). I’m 68, getting older and weaker, but still hit it close to the center most times, so lighter shafts/overall weight, higher launch and less spin would seem to help. Went that route with an 815 and it helped, but am curious about your thoughts of trying it on a DBD. Thanks.

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      Shiddygolfer

      9 years ago

      I just purchased the normal 815 driver (minus the ski rack) and it won hands down for me. Titelist sounded better, felt better and was longer by 5 yards but the consistency was not even close to the 815. Then the death blow was adding on the 7X3 white tie x stiff shaft…. My wallet cried as my intention to purchase a previous gen model went out the window. After 30 shots I hit the 117 average mark for my swing and immediately noticed the miss hit side spin was far less then with the titelist, predictable even.The 815 also has a deeper face so at address it looks like a 430 ish head too. I’m a real low ball hitter so the 12 degree and the upgrade shaft worked out. It picked up my launch to 12* coincidentally and the total monitor distance averaged 285 rolling out to 295 or so.. If you like a squeezee type face that clicks the 815 is not for you. Sounds more like two smart cars colliding at 40 but relatively pleasant if your into that sort of thing. If you want to be in the fairway it maybe a worth while demo. I still want to blow my head off for spending 744.00 (dam shaft upgrade) on a club the will be a third of that in two more months but I could not leave without ordering based solely off the results. The core flip picked up the flight a little which is weird but it helped, needing lift. I didn’t care about distance just repeatability and elevation. I figured losing ten yards to spin was worth the trade off to be in the fairway. The flip brought the spin upto about 2200 so again for me its a non issue. It’s not the way it was supposed to work but for my experience it did just that. Plus being a ping driver guy it was tough to accept but my I20 and Anser driver landed on eBay before I left the store. In summation it’s a very good club that’s changed my game.

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      Pat Akers

      9 years ago

      Tony
      Thank you for this comprehensive summary of the new Callaway drivers. I also noticed the Callaway tour staff using the V Series driver when they could use a driver from the 815 line.
      I do remember some of my high school and college physics classes and I can understand the principle of the channel just behind the face and both crown and sole flexing together in a somewhat equal rate. That would create conditions for less backspin. Right now I am still using my 910 D2 with upgraded shaft.
      I wanted to buy the 815, I really did but your comments caused me to be cautious about Callaway.

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      Shiddygolfer

      9 years ago

      I just purchased the normal 815 driver (minus the ski rack) and it won hands down for me. Titelist sounded better, felt better and was longer by 5 yards but the consistency was not even close to the 815. Then the death blow was adding on the 7X3 white tie x stiff shaft…. My wallet cried as my intention to purchase a previous gen model went out the window. After 30 shots I hit the 117 average mark for my swing and immediately noticed the miss hit side spin was far less then with the titelist, predictable even.The 815 also has a deeper face so at address it looks like a 430 ish head too. I’m a real low ball hitter so the 12 degree and the upgrade shaft worked out. It picked up my launch to 12* coincidentally and the total monitor distance averaged 285 rolling out to 295 or so.. If you like a squeezee type face that clicks the 815 is not for you. Sounds more like two smart cars colliding at 40 but relatively pleasant if your into that sort of thing. If you want to be in the fairway it maybe a worth while demo. I still want to blow my head off for spending 744.00 (dam shaft upgrade) on a club the will be a third of that in two more months but I could not leave without ordering based solely off the results. The core flip picked up the flight a little which is weird but it helped, needing lift. I didn’t care about distance just repeatability and elevation. I figured losing ten yards to spin was worth the trade off to be in the fairway. The flip brought the spin upto about 2200 so again for me its a non issue. It’s not the way it was supposed to work but for my experience it did just that. Plus being a ping driver guy it was tough to accept but my I20 and Anser driver landed on eBay before I left the store. In summation it’s a very good club that’s changed my game.

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      Anthony

      10 years ago

      I think the real problem is big golf enthusiasts get mad that they think they are missing the extra 7 yards and forgivness when their 6 month old driver is replaced with the next model.

      If you really sit back and think about it, are you really losing 7 yards??????? Or are you pissed because you dont have the newest driver anymore?

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      petethepro

      10 years ago

      It’s the second one, of course. Well said/written.

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      Richard

      10 years ago

      Hi
      Do Callaway/Taylormade realise they are also killing the trade in market.The customer is getting hit twice 1 on discounts around the corner and 2 loose on trade in price. With Titelist on an 18/24
      month cycle you have a good chance of having a fair deal on trade in. I just got rid of all my Callaway clubs and bought all Titelist So the only thing I can suggest is you dump all your Callaway / Taylormade clubs and switch to Company on a 18/24 month cycle.
      Richard

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      bsoudi

      10 years ago

      Hey Richard,

      They might realize it, but it’s not as important to them. I would bet very, very few buyers actually trade-in and are concerned about the trade-in value. It’s a “nice to have” but not a purchase driver.

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      Richard

      10 years ago

      I trade my driver and other clubs in I do not buy new drivers and then moan about the price?

      petethepro

      10 years ago

      I think some of the contributors have made excellent, well written points. Many of the things said are spot on. The correct analysis. There is no single factor here, but a more complex mix of things which together present the current state of the equipment market. Primarily, rounds played are down in key markets, USA, UK and continental Europe. The post-crash financial concerns are holding back golf related purchasing decisions, but not everything is affected by this. Points worth adding.

      The price of drivers is not so high. I the mid-1990’s where I live, a Callaway driver retailed for – sit down everybody, here it comes…… $1170. I remember it well, and just in case you think I have become forgetful, I work with a guy who sold them too. Great Big Bertha. €1170. Now, you would have thought that the customers would be moaning away about the price even more than many do on mygolfspy.com, but they didn’t. Hard to believe, but they bought them, one after another after another. So, clearly it’s not the price, is it? It’s in the justification to yourself about how important the purchase is.

      Try this one. Strange but true. My driver retails at $275 currently. Top brand name, 2014 model. The best driver I have ever had in my bag. Where I am, that’s 3 tanks of gas. Yes, the gas is that expensive, or the driver is that cheap, or both of course.

      I am on the receiving end of the downturn in the golf industry. It’s a little like buying a portfolio of shares – and plenty of you did that a few years ago – and watching the Dow Jones each day to see your wealth plummet. However, don’t forget a few things. Once contracts with landlords are fulfilled, some of the better retailers are gone. I will take my financial hammering like a man. It’s margins and costs. Most customers want/expect is a fully-stocked store, every key brand, but the whole collection at internet (or lower) prices. Whilst the more reasonable amongst you out there might argue that customers realise that they have to pay extra for service, the hard reality is, they mostly won’t. The only time reality kicks in for most golfers is when the shop is gone. You see, retail is a two-way street. The retailer wants to sell, but at a profit to pay for the rent, overheads, staffing, the never ending taxes, etc. The golfers want to have the free of charge fittings, free use of the launch monitors, free advice from expericenced staff, free coffee and tea, but STILL expect to pay the lowest price. But who is the loser here? Well, clearly me. Financially battered and bruised, but I can always teach golf because I used to do this. But maybe the golfers are losers too – they lose one of the better stores, one which has the customer’s best interests at heart. It’s not the price of the clubs. It’s not the cost of the driver, is it? Our customers frequently drive cars (not company cars) that cost them $25,000 plus, and freely accept the enormous depreciation on that, but struggle to do the same with a golf club. Our customers have family holidays that cost €5,000 plus, skiing for instance, but have also no problem with that. So, here we have a great question….. is bitching constantly about the price golf equipment just reserved for the golf shops and websites, or does it apply to other things in life? And another funny thing, just to add a little prespective. Sit down for this one too. The average price of a home in London went up 20% in 12 months, that’s almost $100,000 in one year. Tax paid, all profit. That’s a new driver, exactly the same as the one in my bag, the best driver I’ve ever owned – BUT ONE EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR!!! I wish I lived in London.

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      tom

      10 years ago

      This is insanity. Callaway has a big nut to crack and they can only do it by getting product to market that excites people. They’re going to be releasing new product – get over it. If you’re like me (and the majority of touring professionals on the planet) and you want to hit a really long ball, you’ll buy a TM driver and be done with it. ;-)

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      Tod

      10 years ago

      I personally don’t like the idea of pushing out new stuff all the time. I worked hard to purchase the old Alpha…. And whilst I still think it’s the best driver I’ve used. I’m disappointed its already been superseded. It seemingly devalues the Callaway name.

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      Tony I almost always agree with you on everything, but there is no justification to increase prices on clubs. Sure I have read everything but I simply cant agree. I made an example out of Plasma TVs from when they came out and what they cost now a few articles ago. Unarguably the tech and cost to manufacture these TV is substantial compared to relatively complacent golf clubs. Yet prices are now less than a 1/3 of their original price for TVs. Iphones as well, the tech in those gets better every year but yet their prices are almost the same. How can any manufacturer justify increased prices. I understand lower volume and needing higher prices to make up profit but like any industry there are caps on how much something will sell for. If they go to high then they will likely lose sales. I cant imagine paying more than $400 for a driver and the proposed $600 based off of inflation would collapse if it gets that high. There are not enough golfers to support those prices. Like I said before they would be better off underselling everyone. Make a great driver market it for $200-250 and sell way more volume and make more profit. But don’t release too many clubs to over saturate it, like TMag. Am I wrong or am I missing the point?

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      petethepro

      10 years ago

      Guess what, you’re wrong. I have 4 driver models in the shop, each selling for $250. 4 top brand names – brands we know from watching PGA tour on TV. All current models. They all carry a suicidal profit margin for me, the retailer, but it’s cash back to the bank and we go again with the next series when they hit the market. Who’s the winner? Well, amazingly, it’s the golfer, the customer, every time. It’s not me, that’s for sure, and the manufacturer’s are mostly making financial losses. Here’s the awful truth… if the manufacturers reduce their prices, they mostly lose even more money and so do I. There are not enough golfers wanting to purchase to support the greater volume, more profit theory. Try this one… I have a set of top brand name irons, 8 clubs for $250. Game improvement. I sell the odd set. Sometimes I think I may as well put $1,99 on them – they’re not going to sell at any money because the golfers are not ready, in enough mass, for the next set. You know, a little like driving past a gas station, fuel for free, but your tank is full, so where do you put it?

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      Being in retail yourself what do you propose to get everyone on tract. I can’t believe you honestly think that drivers in America going for $1170 a pop is sustainable. I guess if we were trying to convert golf back to the sport for only 1%’er i guess that would work. But how do you justify prices above what they are now to the rest of the 99% of golfers where the bottom line is affordability? No one in their right mind is going to pay 600, 700, 800 or whatever for 2 more yards.

      petethepro

      10 years ago

      AWOL, thank you for your question. I wish other contributors asked me for the answers. It’s not the driver that will give you 2 more yards, or more. It is the right shaft, the correct loft setting and the right technique. Generally, a little more loft (higher launch angle) and less backspin gives more distance. After that, there is next to nothing possible for more distance. The modern Ti head and very low weight shafts with torsion and kick under control are hitting constantly against what the Rule of Golf will allow. Same with the ball. The ball discussion fascinates me. Why am I the only one (seemingly) that knows about the limitations the rules place on ball performance? Please tell me I am not alone.

      There is no solution for the retail of golf equipment that will bring about the desired result – what so many contributors on mygolfspy want is the newest, more technologically advanced drivers for a low, low price. So, we have our E-Bay buyers. EBay comes with it’s collection of problems too, mostly the fakes. I could tell you some stories here, endless stories. Mostly to do with decent people who bought on-line (including E-Bay) who ended up with fake. It’s miserable all round when the customer is in our store with the “Callaway” driver with about 15 degrees of torque.

      Online also comes with it’s set of problems. There is one retailer who shows all the brands, uses the logo’s and operates in USA, Canada, UK, Australia. He’s a serial E-Bayer. He buys from mostly US and ships goods to customers who have pre-paid. Fine, until you find out he has no accounts open with any of the manufacturers. Not a crime in itself. But what about his company being located off-shore? No sales taxes anywhere. No income tax. Your taxes support him, as do the customers who purchase from him. It’s pointless advising the IRS about him – they’re busy with easier cases. You see, maybe it is better to have a local store, even a national chain who contribute to the economy, in a fair way for us all.

      What will happen is that a percentage of stores will simply disappear. So will my store once contracts terminate (landlord, primarily). Who’s the loser here. Me, definitely. Figures that would blow your mind. Numbers that would perhaps shut a few of the contributors up if they’re worried about the $100 they have lost because a driver was reduced in price just after you bought it.

      The other losers are golfers, the vast majority of decent customers who have used our store and lots of other stores to look, try and purchase their equipment. It’s discount, E-Bay, Online, cutting out the middle man or screwing the middle man every way possible. It’s not the manufacturers, it’s you, the consumers!!!! Don’t blame Callaway Golf, Taylor Made and the rest. Look at yourselves. In my store we have customer after customer telling me about the price at such and such a store, being cheaper, and will we price match. It’s a full service store demanded, but at internet prices. Of course, the financial reality is that rents have to paid, staff have to be paid and taxes are endless.

      The losers are the golfers once the cycle is completed.

      I will teach golf for a living, like I did before. But I am one of the decent, honest and fair retailers. I ALWAYS work hard to offer brand name clubs, free customer fitting, nets, launch monitors (my launch monitor in NEVER fixed to add distance to aid the selling of clubs). But margins are insane, driven constantly downwards by the consumer. You see, you wouldn’t stand and argue about the price of fuel at your local gas station, would you? They make billions in profits. No, golfers save their moaning for the golf pro. who’s struggling to feed his family.

      I think everyone on mygolfspy should read my contributions carefully, just to add a little perspective. Better still, send money. Yes, a contribution to golf retailers because we’re the ones being shafted the most right now.

      Dan

      10 years ago

      I still think 8 driver releases in one year is a bit over the the top but, I went and hit all the ones they had at the local PGA Superstore over several days. They got one right and that was the V Series w/ the Bassara shaft. It reminded me of the FT-3 which IMHO is still the best driver Callaway ever made. It was solid, very smooth feeling like an old friend. It was long and forgiving and just felt great. On they’re Launch monitor I had a carry of 204 on one hit and an average of 198-200 with a SS Speed of 88-90. Backspin around 2200-2300. At least the hype they’re saying about this one seems to be true. I’m not sure when I can dig up $400 but, if I can, this driver will be in my bag for 2015. Don’t forget to get fitted.

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      Pete the Pro. I live on Long Island and was a member of a private club for 30 years. My friends and fellow members are mostly avid golfers,better than most in terms of disposable income and for the most part above average intelligence. I buy from a pro who is a custom fitter, carries all major brands, and has demo days and outside fitting days at a local range with Trackman. Reps from all major brands (even ball fittings) three or four times a season. Many consider me the in house club nut and I’m often approached for advice. I’ve asked many of my buds to come to an event multiple times.BUT zero interest. To some extent they buy on the spur of the moment. Usually, it’s based upon that “Joe is crushing that Burner and I could use a new driver” incentive. To make matters worse they seldom change shaft flex despite the passage of years (if anything they go up) and seldom change lofts. I will give props to TMAG’s “Loft Up” campaign. My suggestion.Have Callaway or TMAG really push getting fit when they introduce a new product. Maybe even offer a $25 gift card to be applied towards a fitting. In the end everybody benefits.

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      yes

      10 years ago

      my Cleveland HiBore has out preformed any new releases in the last 3 years. I work at a golf retailer and I have hit almost every new release.

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      Chal

      10 years ago

      It will be interesting to see if Callaway can actually control inventory. I do not like what happened at Dicks and hate to see the industry in the state that it is. I have always felt that the best way to sell clubs is to have a fitting cart and have each person order the driver that works best based off the fitting. Most companies wont allow that though. You have to order so much of each line. Wonder if that will change as well….

      I personally have nothing against the launch of new clubs. I love to try new sticks and hope that I can get closer to ideal launch and spin. To say that drivers over the past 5 years are not any better is crazy. I have seen increases and I believe that they can get better.

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      pete the pro

      10 years ago

      Chal

      I was in a Dicks Store last week – lots of perfectly good clubs at very decent prices. A net, a good launch monitor and a friendly, knowledgeable member of staff. They invested in store area, stock and golf pro’s, but the market is not growing, it’s declining. They will adjust, invest more space in other more fashionable sports, the ones which are on the up.

      There are plenty of fitting carts out there, with excellent staff alongside them. The customer hits shots with all sorts of shafts and can order one club, no problem. But customers don’t make use of them often enough to make this economically viable. The customer (in large numbers) votes with their feet and wallet. Not enough golfers want this service. Sad, very sad, but true.

      I have organized plenty of club demo days but it is incredible how few golfers want to make use of the full assortment of top brand names, lined up for them on the range, free of charge. Even more, sad, but true as well.

      But you can still buy one club, no problem, every company.

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      MyBluC4

      10 years ago

      I think this is the perfect definition of the “Greater Fool Theory”. Someone will pay for what he/she believes is the latest and greatest, even more than then competitive products of the same quality and technology. Just stupid. In the end “if you ain’t got a swing, you ain’t got a thing”.

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      Pete the Pro

      10 years ago

      Good article with great comments. Of course, websites that permit detailed analysis of the equipment market coupled with a few that haven’t quite spotted the trends and thought it through fully are able to contribute. That’s fine, and often amusing.

      It’s not the (too) rapid release of new models that’s at the core of the decline in the equipment market. It’s a factor, sure. The number one reason is the downturn in rounds of golf played, golf membership and interest in taking the sport up as a newcomer. Adults have other things to do – busy at work, more time with the kids, wives, girlfriends, they’re at the health club, home entertainment, and so on. Golf is time consuming and in some markets, participation is down. Sadly, plenty of things we purchase in life lose their value quickly, but consumers accept this easily with most products (cars, for instance), but bitch continously about it with a top brand name driver. Nobody is taking you by the hand to the golf shop and forcing you to part with your possibly hard earned money, buying the latest driver for the top price. It was a free choice. Guys often buy top technology drivers because the testosterone that flows through them means they have to have the latest. It’s most often not perfomance related because at my level of the game, mostly between par and 2-3 over, the difference between one driver and another is marginal. More preference than performance. The awful truth is that
      the vast majority of golfers have clubs that are far superior to their playing ability. Nothing wrong with this – I have a car which is technically amazing, but I don’t make full use of it’s capabilities. I played golf as a teenager for my region and for my country – I had a wooden headed driver, a most basic set of irons, rubber shoes – yes, rubber!, very average golf balls – but I had talent, a very good short game and a very clear head for golf. Give me a ladies set and a couple of range balls and I can still shoot a good score – stragely I’ve done so lots of times in playing lessons – not the ball, just the clubs. If your budget demands less expensive clubs, the second hand market is bursting with excellent clubs.

      Callaway / Taylor Made, etc. are bringing new models onto the market because they are hoping enough golfers find a reason to buy. Don’t blame the manufacturers for trying to grab your attention with distance claims – I don’t see too many people moaning away about a washing powder manufacturer makes their products known through marketing.

      Since I am such excellent form here with my writings today, a word about the golf retail market. The vast majority of us are not making any money. Yes, we are subsidising your golf equipment. I am a golf equipment retailer and the last 5 years have been impossible – our location is very good, our staff excellent. But the equipment market is down some 20% because participation is down. What customers most often do is look on-line and buy in-store. They most often want a fully stocked shop with the best staff available, but at internet pricing. Of course, we always have the serial e-bay-er. Best of luck to you, keep going. I am hoping some of you might just reflect on this – if I’m making no money (yes, I earn zero, month in, month out – it costs me to go to work) and if most of the manufacturers are making no money, one day a few might just quit. Sure, we meet our duty, our contracts, our commitments and we think about our staff. So I have a brilliant idea. Instead of critcizing the golf industry for their efforts to make money, why don’t you find the time to write about those businesses that make a profit. I get very tired of customers standing in front of my till bitching about how the Pro V1’s are 5 dollars cheaper as such and such a store. Just go and buy them, I say. But no, they want to buy them from me, with the 5 dollars reduction. Would you do that at the gas station? No. In the restaurant… ? “I can buy this steak much cheaper at the supermarket…. ” Better still, remember my comments, buy the new driver if you want the best technology available and come to terms with the fact that many consumer products do lose their value over time.

      I am in the golf retail business for all the right reasons – I genuinely want to fit golfers with great equipment. All brand name. Don’t save your money for custom fit clubs – they are exactly the same price as standard specification clubs. Custom fit is free. Let me try this another way – the club which is longer, shorter, more upright, flatter, thinner grip, etc, etc. costs exactly the same as the standard set on the racks in the shop. The customer is the winner, every time. Great clubs, internet pricing, full service shop, bring to me your wrecked clubs, snapped clubs, broken bags, leaking shoes for refunds, replacements and 10 minutes of moaning away about it all, whilst the state of the market determines I do it all at a financial loss. Until the day my contract ends, and many golfers don’t have their downtown, local, friendly, top service discount shop any longer. It’s worth a bit of thinking about.

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      Harv

      10 years ago

      One thing I’ve noticed for sure, all of the participating writers of this blog on this particular website are among the best customer observations and well written comments I’ve ever read on any other website. They’re so good, I wonder if the comments are implants from professional writers. Regardless, keep up the good work, Actually, I wish my golf staff had the same writing skills as many of you. Keep the comments coming, I read of them. Harv

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      Thom

      10 years ago

      Wait! I forgot about Big Bertha V-Series!

      Whew!

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      Thom

      10 years ago

      – X2 Hot
      – X2 Hot Pro
      – Big Bertha
      – Big Bertha Alpha
      – (You forgot about X Hot N14)
      – Big Bertha 815
      – Big Bertha 815… (that name is waaaay tooooo loooong)

      That’s too much!!!

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      proside

      10 years ago

      I feel cheated on not being able to try out the big bertha 815 single black diamond so that by the time I test out all of theirs and the competitors for next season I will be able to make an informed choice as to which I might have bought but didn’t because I had to immediately start testing the new and so much better drivers that will be released by the end of spring.

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      gordon

      10 years ago

      This is getting to be all to much boring silliness. New releases every 2 or 3 months, as John above states: “learn how to swing properly and get some lessons from a good pro and put it into practice. I believe that Callaway and Taylor Made have lost the plot.”

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      John

      10 years ago

      It’s very simple for me, I stick with the, now 2 top brands (Titleist and Ping) in my opinion which don’t basterdise their products and bring a driver or iron out every 6 months like Callaway, Taylormade. As i saw a video from Clay Ballard from revolution golf said that all manufactures have to stick to a rule that the USGA has, which is they shoot a ball at the face of the driver at 100mph and it has to bounce back at no more than 86.3 mph otherwise it’s illegal. So dont waste youre money on new drivers every 6 months learn how to swing properly and get some lessons from a good pro and put it into practice. I believe that Callaway and Taylor Made have lost the plot.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Well done Tony. Very well written to explain the differences between the C drivers for this year. Based on my shot characteristics and swing, I know exactly what C driver I should target if I am interested in getting one.

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      Bigtmatdaddy

      10 years ago

      I just don’t get all the whining on this blog. I’m thrilled to see new drivers coming out, more goodies to test out. If you don’t want a new driver don’t buy one, what the hell is wrong with trying new stuff. My buddies and I love trying the new drivers, it don’t matter if it’s Callaway, Titleist, Ping, or Adams. I have a Titleist 913, Xhot pro, and the latest Adams XTD. I like something about all of them. I’m happy, happy, happy.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Somehow I agree. I still play my RAZR FIT (which I bought last year on heavy special) and have hit most of the driver releases since then and have not found any driver which will improve my shot to justify the cost. The same for my car. We do not buy/change our cars on a yearly basis just to get the new model! And besides, the best value in cars is the pre-owned. The same with drivers. The more C and TM releases new drivers, the better choices you have on pre-owned. Now is also the time to look at PING G20 and G25 instead of new G30. Same for Titleist. Go get the 910 or 913!!

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      Steve Stephans

      10 years ago

      Manufacturers just don’t get it. Golf equipment is getting too expensive for the average player.The knock off suppliers love it.

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      Berniez40

      10 years ago

      A very well written article, that points to the importance of Good B.S. when one works in the marketing department. I am extremely surprised that they didn’t tie the 3 different SR Golf balls to the different driver models and pawn that off as some sort of “Ball-Fitting” in yet one more attempt to knock out Bridgestone and the other fringe players. It would make good BS to show yardage differentials etc. and cloud our eyes with Techno-Kitsch while they work up more marketing strategies for the next release. –P.S.—Anyone else notice that TaylorMade is discounting SLDR Drivers now. Remember??!!!! Just last month they were promising retailers that–“We will never discount THe SLDR!” I don’t believe anyone anymore, and say grace over a bag full of Nakashima Clubs that simply outperformed everything else I put against them—-despite manufacturer’s claims. —Look folks–off the rack is just a revolving door. My Nakashima’s date back to 2008, and are usually only bested by other boutique clubs. If you can afford the fitting do it. If not–there’s always ebay.

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      Charlie

      10 years ago

      You said “I swear to god”. God should always be capitalized not in small case.

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      proside

      10 years ago

      yes, just like unicorns, leprechauns and I should be put to death for drawing mohamed
      picture of mohamed -> :^)

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      Flaglfr

      10 years ago

      Lets see….
      Seems the new model for clubs with some manufacturers is:
      Make enough clubs for a first run
      Sell them at a premium
      Reduce the cost after about 60-90 days
      Introduce new product that is “Much better than the old one” in one way or another.

      I think I hear that in other places all the time. Say cellphones as an example. If you can get celebrities to endorse the product by paying them (a la most mfgrs. of golf equipment) to use it, so much the better.

      To me, we have enjoyed a position with marketing and product cycle that is different. many truly want to only bring product forward when they believe there really is something better to offer. Other just run the cycle like a robot. Which is better? Don’t know. Which will we have to deal with? Probably both.
      My God!!! I think I may have just drank the kook aid…

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      SkipThisAd

      10 years ago

      What a mess !!
      The true is ,non of you & me will hit the ball longer or straighter with any new driver in the last 5 years or so. If you do hit it longer, its your brain still under the lie( marketing) influence . Also, all the club lies(marketing) is toward the high handicappers who are 90% of the golfers, who by the way, cant brake 100.
      Like someone here said, i also laugh( feeling sorry) for those that buy a new driver. As a example, most of the people i know that got a SLDR, now dont play it because they cant hit straight to safe their life.
      It’s the indian guys, not the arrow. But if the indian’s arrow brakes, dont wait 6 month for price drop, instead, buy the arrow that came out 2 or 3 years ago for 90% off the price.

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      tom

      10 years ago

      99% of the [mass] market is made of people who might buy a driver once every 5 years. these folks may play a few times a year and they don’t care. look at their clubs in the garage and they’re playing some old fairway shovels they got at a garage sale, or they bought at retail 12 years ago – maybe ping i2s or something. they play noodle balls and they don’t give a rip about how far they hit the ball. furthermore, these people are out of the loop and don’t get the messaging that a new driver has been released.

      these people aren’t influenced by ads which say “this is the longest driver in the world.” they are influenced by what the tour guy is using for the one or two tournaments per year they watch on TV. they are also influenced by the guy in their foursome who has a new driver and says “i have never hit the ball farther.”

      therefore, if TM is dropping a new driver every few months and they’re getting all the press (and they are) and most of the 99%ers are buying TM drivers (and they are), it only makes sense for CAllaway to step up their release cycle.

      Look at Luke Donald… Mizuno drivers stink… He chooses TM’s driver. He’s an influencer. Look at Fred Couples – same story… Bridgestone’s drivers stink. He chooses TM’s driver. He’s an influencer. Most of the guys out there like Donald and Couples choose TM product – why? It’s a better product and produces longer, straighter drives. If Titleist made a longer, straighter driver, those guys would be playing Titleist, but they aren’t. If Callaway made a longer, straighter driver, those guys would be playing Callaway, but they aren’t. Etc.,

      To be relevant for long term, Callaway has to rapidly release new product. One last story.. Mickelson chose to put a TM Rocketballz three wood in his bag in late 2012? Mickelson said “They want me to play whatever I have to play my best.” What does that mean? It means TM had the best three wood on the planet that no one else could equal [at that time]. Callaway said “…we told him to play whatever he wanted until he thinks we have the best possible product for him, which we believe we will have very soon. This is pretty much standard operating procedure for us.”

      This “we will have a good product soon” crap ain’t gonna sell sh*t to the 99%er. To grow, Callaway needs to change the GENERAL market impression that TM is the leader in distance off the tee (and they are by leaps and bounds). Ain’t no Callaway driver out there that can out drive my SLDR – end of story….

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      Eric

      10 years ago

      Tom- Luke gets paid by TM to play their driver.
      And bridgestone makes awesome drivers, certainly better than your SLDR!

      I think what callaway is doing is absurd but I picked up a xhot 3 wood from their pre owned store stuck a new ilima shaft in it, damn this is the best 3 wood ever hit, just incredible.

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      tom

      10 years ago

      Eric, wait a tick… you mean equipment company’s pay tour players to play their equipment? revelation!!!

      EVERY TOP EQUIPMENT COMPANY pays players to play their product with no exception. tertiary companies may not (tour edge being one) and that is a major reason they are tertiary companies. my SLDR??? in case you didn’t know, the SLDR is manufactured by TM, not TOM – there’s an O in there… SLDRs are everywhere dude… there’s a reason.

      luke donald has choices!! he didn’t choose callaway, mizuno, titleist, or bridgestone… but you can bet he evaluated them. he chose TM. and to your “point” about a bridgestone driver being “better” than a SLDR? ah hem… you’re funny… if it were so, every tour player who could would be gaming a bridgestone 1W, and bridgestone would gladly pay them. furthermore, bridgestone would quickly take over the market for drivers and it would already have happened, or at least would be happening – but it ain’t!! bridgestone has a huge pocketbook and can definitely afford to pay players. but, i rarely if ever see a bridgestone wood and i play golf 5 to 6 times per week.

      look at the accuracy or distance stats on tour since the inception of stats… find players in the top 100 of either that play a bridgestone driver. maybe you’ll see one name… kuchar – that’s it. he’s hardly the prototypical person anyone thinks of as a great driver of the ball… finally, take the prominent tour players that bridgestone markets as top staff… kuchar, love III, snedeker and couples. all but kuchar play a TM driver. and i would guarantee kuchar plays a bridgestone 1W for a $$ reason. and look at the bridgestone tour staff – it’s a joke… they are a BALL company… if they sell some stix, great, but they’re marketing golf balls as their primary profit motive.

      back to the point of this blog. callaway MUST do what they’re doing to be relevant. look at the top earners on callaway’s books. mickelson makes $40MM in off-course earnings. what percent of that is callaway? at least half… arnold palmer makes $36MM in off-course earnings. what percent is callaway? at least half…gary player… makes $14MM in off-course earnings. what percent is callaway? at least half… so that’s an estimated $45MM that callaway is paying THREE players, two of which are retired from competition. so, they’re doing all they can from a non-equipment performance standpoint. it’s gotten them as far as they’re going to go. some people buy callaway equipment because phil, arnie or player wear their logo. the rest of the buying public will purchase equipment they believe is BEST in category. TM is best in the “metal wood” category and have been since the metal wood was first introduced by Gary Adams as “Taylor Made” in roughly 1981. TM ain’t gonna sit idly by while callaway tries to take over this category… so, we’re going to see a lot of new product introductions and we’re going to see the driver we just paid $400 for go down in price because a new model just hit the market. that’s called a “market economy.” deal with it..

      eric

      10 years ago

      tom. buddy. listen people are sheep, go to golfmart, its TM or Callaway, I dont expect many bridgestone drivers anywhere. Sldr is not as great as you think it is. Why is it that TM fanboys always are so freaked out when you tell them that their equipment aint all that. Kinda of funny. As for the rest of your rant it bores me. Luke and Freddy play cause they get paid MORE money than Bridgestone wants to pay. Why does that make the SLdr a better driver? I dont get your logic, so its a better driver cause every one plays one??? These guys could hit it 300 yards with a banana attached to a broom stick. Your point is taken but come one everyone drives a CHevy Tahoe SUV does that make it a better car than a Porsche 911. NO FRICKING WAY BUDDY.

      Tom

      10 years ago

      eric, you have no idea what you’re talking about re: “Luke and Freddy play cause they get paid MORE money than Bridgestone wants to pay.” you literally have no clue… take care now, bye bye then.

      AWOL

      10 years ago

      There are some 300+ golf professionals playing the TM SLDR, I doubt TM pays all of them to play their driver. They may give them free drivers but is that any different than want any other large OEM does. And PGA, LPGA, Champions, WEB.com and all the other tour memnbers are so exact on their clubs that if they were crap or not getting the numbers they want i guarantee they wouldn’t play it.

      Kevin

      10 years ago

      Bridgestone makes better drivers than TM or Callaway but they just don’t PAY anyone to use them.

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      Mike

      10 years ago

      Give me the non adjustable Beta at a decent price. Adjustability for most is just a joke. The only benefit to me is changing out shafts easily, but I’d gladly go back to epoxy. No one needs these at the price point they’re being offered for. If I see someone with one, I’ll be laughing my ass off.

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      Rich

      10 years ago

      The market will show Callaway whether it agrees with their strategy or not. If inventory collects dust on the shelves like TM does, it’ll be forced to correct itself or die out. Callaway is too big to die out…maybe not?

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      Rex

      10 years ago

      I personally believe that this new strategy, 3+ staggered releases per season among core, high profile, high priced products, in limited quantity, is doomed to failure. This is, in large part, due to limited resources allocated to support each launch (resources and expertise) but also due to limited retail support. Fact is, the Golf Galaxy’s of the world, let alone Green Grass can’t and won’t embrace this thinking when they can readily default to the simple, clear and concise business models offered by Ping and Titleist. Not to mention Cobra and a de-tuned TaylorMade. Wait and see.

      This thinking will blow-up by April under the crushing weight of competitive success compounded by additional BB product launched in January….not to mention the refresh of the threadbare X line. On the high side: look for a nice jump in demand across the category as the stakeholders have learned a very hard lesson in 2014…..

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      It is amazing to me how golfers expect a new club to dramatically improve their game. A good swing with any reasonably good quality clubs THAT FIT will lower scores way faster than a new driver or even a whole set. You can buy a number of lessons for the $400 cost of a new driver and even more lessons for the cost of a new set of clubs.
      In addition, a skilled clubfitter can check a golfer’s existing set to see how well it fits his swing. Extending or shortening, adjusting lofts, lies, etc. is not expensive and can make a huge difference if the clubs don’t fit. Often there is no need for a new set, just some adjustments to the existing set.

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      Bob i respect you but the cost for lesson is as much of a joke as the cost for equipment. I of course agree with you that lessons is the number one game improver, but wow $400 to tell me how to swing a club. My wife is a ER nurse she gets paid about $45 hour or so depending on the day and shift she works, sometimes more, sometimes less. Not to be mellow dramatic but she is literally saving lives, everyday, sometimes twice she has to preform life saving resuscitation on absolute strangers. She also cleans up fecal matter, vomit, blood and wipes strangers drunk asses when they shit themselves. Not including the gun shot wounds, stabbings and meth heads she deals with daily. For $45 an hour whether she is just checking your BP or actually performing CPR on you that what she is paid. Would you wipe strangers asses, clean up blood, vomit and semen for $45 an hour. But yet these so called fitters and PGA “professionals” think that $60-80 an hour is a reasonable price. Give me a freaking break they are as bad as the overpriced under tech OEMs

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      One lesson at a time. Take a lesson. Practice what you were taught. When you can do the first step you were taught consistently, go back for another lesson. I have always thought the lessons are too frequent when a series of lessons is bought.
      Unless you practice every day, one lesson a week is too much. There isn’t enough time to learn each lesson before the next one.

      Juan Carlos

      10 years ago

      Calling BS on the so called weight savings of 3 grams from the “Rmoto”….marketing bologna

      1. Rearward weight…credit to the article writer for noting how contradictory this is with the gravity core sales pitch.
      2. They either scooped that weight out of the sole and had to add it back in internally directly above for casting/stamping thicknesses (so a lie), or they scooped it out and didn’t adjust thicknesses and you’ll get cracked faces/soles like I’ve already witness happen to two people testing brand new X-hot 2’s on the range.

      But it sure do look cool, looks like the sword from Halo2 + Iron man

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      mike

      10 years ago

      I bought the Ping G25, after reading the reviews here about the driver’s forgiveness and trying it out proved to me I could hit more fairways off the tee.
      Distance might be a more important selling point for low handicappers but for most average or worse golfers it is overated.
      If new technology is better every 6 months then I might as well wait for the ultimate club to arrive, lol.
      Retailers and consumers rightfully feel like they are getting “shafted”.

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      LB

      10 years ago

      This conversation reeks of “white people problems”. Too many golf clubs, what am I to do???

      I do understand there’s implications on small retailers but that squeeze was already occuring for many other reasons. The small shop will need to evolve to compete in the online era.

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      markb

      10 years ago

      I’d like to start holding my breath until Callaway answers your questions Tony, but if I do that MGS will just lose an asphyxiated member. You’re on their s&#t list for not playing the propaganda game and will never hear from them. Anyway, some more random ripostes follow:

      Why no mention of the fixed hosel Big Bertha Beta? That’s one more horse in the crowded Cally stable this year.

      The big bonehead move in this shift is tapping the 815 as the replacement for the sliding weight BB of this spring. Most guys I know who tried both of Cally’s spring 2014 releases and who selected the slider BB did so because they did not like the feel or results of the BBA. Now Cally is telling them that they MUST swallow the club they choked on before.

      There is a reason why most consumers did not “maximize the potential” of the BB’s sliding weight and did not play it near the middle. It’s because they saw NO ALTERATION OF BALL FLIGHT unless they moved it all the way to one side or the other.

      I can see why Cally would stick with the gravity core. It does work, meaning that flipping it from one position to another produces instant detectable differences in sound, feel and ball flight. So why do so many guys play it core up (as did I)? Besause launch angles and results were so poor with the core down. This gravity core thing is like that button in your Benz that changes the suspension from “Cruise” to “Sport”. The car may perform better in Sport, but it feels better in Cruise so 99% of users leave it in Cruise 99% of the time.

      I don’t mind the accelerated product release cycles at all. If Cally wants to continue to play Pump and Dump, retailers need to beware and make minimum buys. I buy nothing at retail anyway. Last Cally driver I bought was the V series that I picked up mint for $185. List price of $399 and 2 months after release I can buy it for less than half price. Yeah for Pump and Dump!

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      Richard

      10 years ago

      Hi
      After reading about the new release by Callaway I will now be giving my £ to Titelist this company is killing the market.

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      leftienige

      10 years ago

      It’s mind-numbingly simple everybody !!
      DO NOT BUY ANY T/MADE OR C/WAY CLUBS WHEN LAUNCHED !!!!
      Just wait 2 or 3 months , see how the reviews by users pan out , and make an INFORMED decision .
      Then try and choose , more often than not your “old” driver suited you better than the new king’s clothes .
      A few years ago , at a Golf Society Day , I won the longest drive with an old **** driver . My prize was a brand-new one from ******* . A pal offered me a few pounds for the old one , which I gladly accepted , to find later that the new one didn’t suit me in the least .
      Learn by my mistakes , cheers all , Nige .

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      What a bunch of a$$holes. I like how Callaway think they are immune to the equipment crisis. To release all these drivers despite the consumers saying stop is again a slap in the face to everyone. I feel sorry for the people who bought the V series a month ago and now realized that two more drivers came out a month following. If they are like me i like to have all the options available when i buy. Had i bought a V i would have even been more pissed knowing that 2 other drivers might have fit me better that came out a month later, rather then releasing them at the same time. Well Callaway i know you dont care but you lost my business permanently.

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      Rich

      10 years ago

      Who says (other than the company) that a new driver has to be better than one made 9 months ago? The shaft plays more into performance than people realize. If you have the right shaft on a 9 month old head vs the wrong shaft on a new head, you’re going to hit the right shaft better. Most golfers are obsessed with clubheads and not concerned with shafts.

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      Hey rich that’s true you don’t have to remind me I one of the ones playing a shaft that cost more than the driver itself. Callaway’s tactics seem to ignorant and just plain desperate to reach that number one driver title. I can guarantee this is their whole idea. Don’t you think it is funny how all their drivers are part of the Big Bertha series now. MGS did a wonderful story predicting this so that the survey companies would clump all driver sales into one category. That way they could claim the number one selling driver title. TMag inflated as well but at least they have the tour presence to back it. Callaway is just trying to recoup from their bad sales of the “New and Improved, and revived big bertha series”.

      Lou

      10 years ago

      Callaway should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves. What bothers me and scares me really is that they seem to be moving towards the trend were they WANT to eliminate the box stores and pro shops completely. I would not be surprised that manufacturers like Tmag and Callaway start selling the clubs themselves and under-cutting everyone in their way.

      When I used to work at a pc shop here, Apple did the same. We had to sign a contract that basically said we needed to sell x amount of equipment and make x amount of dollars and in the contract itself it said that if they were having a special on (Ex: a laptop) that we weren’t allowed to sell it at that price. We even had someone call in and ask us for the student rebate and we checked with them and weren’t allowed to do it. We sold 2 whole laptops at $3000 for both and made a grand total of $30 profit on BOTH – not each – BOTH. Sadly, it’s coming….

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      Chal

      10 years ago

      They both already do this. Visit their website, click on buy now and build the driver with whatever shaft, grip, etc…. Of course the price is the exact same as the retailer, so by cutting out the middle man, more profit. It makes sense.

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      David W

      10 years ago

      Consumers don’t listen and frankly don’t care about one being right for certain people and one being right for others. They buy a driver and then hear there is a new driver from the same manufacturer I just bought that is longer than the one I bought and mine is now half price. They will never buy a driver at full price again and the damage is done.

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      esko thomson

      10 years ago

      Stupid consumers. Oh, wait, them is us….

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      When I initially saw the article my initial reaction was “Oh not an another one” but the article was very good-Thanks. As to Callaway’s proposal going forward I think if Callaway’s marketing mirrors Bridgestone’s for golf balls it could really work. Convince golfers to pick the model that fits your game. BUT Change that strategy a year or two down the line and your toast. You also are not going to move a large number of clubs. (We lose golf balls). I also think they would have been better served to delay the push until early 2015. A lot of regular golfers live and play in the North and East and this won’t generate a lot of buzz right now specially after Callaway’s market introductions earlier this year.

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      David W

      10 years ago

      Problem with this is Bridgestone releases all their balls at once and explains the differences. Callaway and TM release one or two and then release another one and claim it’s longer, and then release another one and claim it’s longer, and so on, and so on.

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      David W

      10 years ago

      Of course I’m talking about clubs from Callaway and TM.

      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      They need to put a chart illustrating differences and intended golfers in their ads.

      Regis

      10 years ago

      Oh I agree, but keep in mind Bridgestone built this model over ,what , 10 years. They advertised it, initiated an on-line fitting, and at least in my area, held outdoor ball fittings. Not picking on Titleist but now their ads seem to dismiss the need for different balls for different swing speeds so obviously it got their attention. I guess that’s my . If Callaway is going to emphasize different drivers for different player types, they can’t abandon it after a year or two.

      Dave S

      10 years ago

      Ok, so two things:

      1. Can we just stop with the articles about product release cycles, business models, etc.? I think the angst is misplaced. IMO, the more product the better! I like that relatively recent products get discounted… that just means I – as any smart consumer would – will just wait and buy the old model after the new one is released. I’m able to acquire a very high quality product for a discount… what’s wrong with that?! If people just HAVE to have the latest and greatest, they’ll ALWAYS have the issue of being one-upped by new products (this happens in every market). Also, the golf industry is going nowhere… will it have to adapt, sure. Will that mean that some retailers, wholesalers, OEMs will downsize or even go under? Yes… again, it happens in EVERY market.

      2. I appreciate you sending those questions to Callaway – it’s your job as a good journalist (for the sake of this point, you’re essentially acting as a one). However, if I were a Callaway exec., I probably wouldn’t answer most of them either… and if I’m not going to answer most, why would I take the time to answer any? These are trade secrets and confidential information about their current and long term strategy that you’re asking them to air to the public… sorry, not gonna happen. I know it’s a journalistic tactic to tell everyone that big bad Callaway wouldn’t even answer your seemingly benign questions in an attempt to make them look bad or strong-arm them into a response, but I think going that route really doesn’t make MGS look good. You guys are well respected and do a great job of reporting on and testing out new products… I really think you should stick to that.

      Please don’t take this comment the wrong way… just my honest opinion.

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      SMH

      10 years ago

      I bought the Alpha this year for $400 because I found the gravity core really works for me, and I’ve been thrilled with the results I’ve had with this club. I’m perfectly happy with 270-285 right down the middle of the fairway that I’m getting with it. I could care less about having the latest and greatest clubs, the current ones stay in the bag until there is something that is significantly better to replace them. There is no reason for me to shell out another handful of benjamins for a driver that probably isn’t going to have any significant impact over the one I’m currently playing.

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      Gary

      10 years ago

      I’m only selling custom fit Tom Wishon, PowerBilt, Alpha and Acer component clubs (which are just as good as OEM clubs if not better) and I can put ANY shaft or grip that customer wants. I’m quite happy with business this year.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      I don’t blame you.

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      John Barry

      10 years ago

      here, here, service and fitting.

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      ….wait…what?

      sorry,

      I didn’t hear anything after the woman holding her underwear.

      Not to defend or support any one aspect here. But i would like to play devils advocate and say that I can see Callaway releasing these models as a defensive marketing practice.

      The reality for Callaway is that they have even more competition this year as Ping and Titleist’s release cylces come to term. I think that some of the changes they made to Alpha line are slight but they certainly seem to be responses to some of the complaints/criticisms we have all made of the recently released and soon to be outdated Alpha’s. I’m sure Callaway sees the threat of loosing ground they might have gained from brand like Titleist and would be very tempted to throw some changes on their current sticks to be able to have a “new” offering sitting beside clubs like the 915 and the G30 when the inevitable fanboys for either brand head in to test.

      I for one was never a fan of the color scheme of the Alpha. The aesthetic changes they are implementing along with slight tech tweaks and shaft offerings are more mainstream in this iteration and will probably have a better chance of stealing some thunder from the 2yr release companies this fall than they might have without the changes.

      I’m certain Callaway realizes and probably cares, thought not enough to hold them back, that they are going to piss off yet another generation of “I just bought the_____ are you freakin kidding me” customers. But it seems they are placing the 815’s to be a direct competitor for the new Titliest line…..I mean comon Callaway 815 and Titleist 915.

      Who knows maybe this is them getting there act together and settling in with a product for a whole year.

      take it easy…

      I said maybe…i didn’t really believe it when I said it.

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      As usual my computer refuses to post when i write something….I see others have made similar comments and now look like I can’t read.

      My computer sucks…sue me.

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      Hula_Rock

      10 years ago

      Look on the bright side…. Without the “robust cycle” of releases from manufacturers, Golf Blog sites would not exist or (would have very little material to talk about). I’m guessing that 90% of these websites, including MGS, was built on the foundation of reviewing GOLF CLUBS. To be honest, I dont care about the different tangents being introduced (how this is ruining the game of golf, opinions on”monthly” product cycles). all I care about is information on new products (Clubs, accessories, balls, etc) and how it performs. Thats it. If you think OEM’s are going to implode, let them. Let them hit rock bottom, learn, and come up with a better business plan.

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      Neil

      10 years ago

      Good old Chip Brewer. Releasing a lot of clubs at Callaway just like he did at Adams. I wonder why release stuff now. The golf season is ending. Is Callaway trying to take some thunder away from the upcoming Nike Vapor and Titleist 915 releases in November? Is Callaway hoping people will buy golf clubs for the Holidays? And what will Callaway do to react when Taylormade releases the R15 in February 2015? Callaway will probably release another driver to compete with the R15.

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Neil – One could just as easily argue that the golf season (The PGA Tour Season) is just beginning. Why not time club launches accordingly? Is it the right approach…I don’t know, but it has worked for Titleist.

      As for any TaylorMade launch…Callaway will have X Hot-type product, which while not as exciting as Bertha, will be more than price competitive with anything TaylorMade does.

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      DrewT

      10 years ago

      I think I’m in a agreement with that if they can explain to the customers the difference its cool. My problem is they have not succeeded in this yet. I’m a blog reader and I also get all of Callaway’s emails and would call myself a fan. But I honestly don’t know what driver is for me.
      they need a chat service :)

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      Ritch

      10 years ago

      It is this rapid product cycle and price changes that has driven the pro here to decide not to carry equipment in the course pro shop anymore. He sold most of his stock at the first of the year and, of course, a few months later the manufacturer cut prices. Then he started getting complaints from members who purchased at retail and were seeing the discounted prices at the big box stores and online. I don’t recall this endless product cycle being the norm many years ago when I first started playing golf. I realize there was only so much you could do with persimmon but really.

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      golfer4life

      10 years ago

      Guessing they will also be following TM’s difficulties they are currently having. Sometimes just sitting back and letting things settle a bit might be a better plan. Well written and entertaining article. TM’s Vincent calling someone else’s products a fraud still cracks me up. Wonder where he’s heard that before???

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      Dalton McCary

      10 years ago

      Well it should look like the same business marketing model Taylor Made — Harry Arnett was the senior director for Taylor Made and is not running Callaway. And Harry doesn’t give a tinkers damn about the weekend golfer at all —- he is working with Tour Pros to develop products they can then sell to the weekend to make them feel better about just being on the golf course. Straight from Harry’s lips I guarandamnteeyou. I can’t believe they still have this segment of Sport Light On Golf available on You Tube but here it is. And be sure and listen as Harry says, THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE SCORE YOU WRITE DOWN IS REALLY ONLY IMPORTANT TO THE TOUR PLAYERS. Of course every club any of the Big 5 offyou you in any retail store are in fact all made to the same specifications. EVERY SINGLE CLUB ARE MADE TO ONE SET OF SPECIFICATIONS. ——— SAD BUT VERY, VERY TRUE.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jfRuxrOcUcU

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      petethepro

      10 years ago

      It’s not true. How do I say this in a nice way? That’s just not right. It’s wrong, what you’ve written. It is incorrect. It lacks a degree of the truth. It is bereft of the truth. It is lacking substantially in what we consider to be somewhat factual. Harry may be misguided, having a bad day perhaps. It lacks a substantial amount of plain common sense, when you stop and think about it. But funny. It made me laugh.

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      Kevin

      10 years ago

      Why buy them now, just wait a couple of months and it will be discounted…

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      dr. bloor

      10 years ago

      “It makes buying a Callaway driver a risky proposition.”

      You can buy it at $499 right away, knowing it will be $449 in six months. (Or you should know, anyways).
      You can wait six months and buy it at $449, knowing it will be $329-$379 in another six months.
      You can wait that additional six months and grab one for $329.

      What all this means is that you have $300-500 to spend ON A FREAKING GOLF CLUB. The entire premise is pretty much the opposite of “risk.” I can see that industry folks would be concerned about how the rapid-release approach is cannibalizing the business. The underwear twisting by golfers who somehow feel their trust has been violated and their driver has been rendered “obsolete” when CallaMade releases a new model six months down the road is utterly baffling.

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      Jeff

      10 years ago

      I’m pissed because I have been saving up the exorbitant price to get a custom-fit set of clubs which is obsolete before I can buy it.

      I’m pissed because I am confused by all the choices, and chaos, and second guessing.

      I was about to get Ping G25 when the Ping G30 hit the market. I have had similar disappointments with several brands. So I bought and “older” Adams (3 years old) for $25 and I am content to wait 2 or 3 years to buy the one with the 2014 technology.

      I leave all the lemmings to lead the way. ;)

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      Sebastien

      10 years ago

      I really don’t understand why people are complaining about the multiple release other than marketing claim are bogus…. for us golfers, it makes 6 months old clubs much more affordable…

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Sebastien – I used to be right with you on that, but what the consumer doesn’t see is that these accelerated release cycles (and subsequent discounting) has a hugely negative impact on retailers.

      It’s one of the primary reasons why Dick’s is scaling back its golf division.

      When drivers sell at discounted prices, retailers make close to ZERO on them. Instead, they’re given credit towards the next model. You can’t keep a business running on credit towards tomorrow’s product. You need real money.

      While short term this has been great for the consumer, there are longer term consequences. First and foremost, prices are going up. Callaway has raised its average selling price already this year. Titleist’s new drivers are more expensive, and you can bet others will follow suit.

      Callaway apparently believes the key to maintaining accelerated cycles is inventory control. I’m not sure how they plan to do that yet, but if they succeed, the end result for YOU (the consumer), is continued selection (new models) without the closeout pricing of recent times.

      It would appear that inventory control (and differentiation) is how Callaway plans to do things. If it works, it’s great for Callaway, pretty good for retailers, but the consumer will pay more.

      Assuming that happens, it becomes a psychological questions of how much is too much for the consumer before he takes his money to Titleist. For that not to happen, Callaway needs to be a bit more predictable then it has been of late.

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      Rich

      10 years ago

      I don’t care about retailers…sorry.

      I want the best value and I’ll get it anywhere I can. Circumstances are proving that I’m the majority here. I’ll use their launch monitor to hit the latest gear and then buy it cheaper if I can find it online. Retailers don’t care about me, I don’t care about them.

      Hoosier Bogey

      10 years ago

      Retailers care enough about you to have a launch monitor that you use, pay for demo clubs that you use, pay property taxes in the local market, support local causes, hire local employees who are willing to help golfers who don’t screw them over by wasting their time beating clubs while hitting free balls on a free launch monitor.

      Kevin

      10 years ago

      Well said HB. People like Rich will be hating life when their buying options are cut down to nothing…

      Lee

      10 years ago

      There’s a little word that has made the world go round for generations it’s called ‘Loyalty’.
      It’s what I feel towards my prefered fitter/retailer, he gives his time freely and always charges a competitive price.
      No one likes to be screwed over so don’t do it to others who treat you right.

      Teaj

      10 years ago

      and that right there is the issue, if you are wondering why the retailer does not care about you is because you waist their time. get out of the simulator and let paying customers dial in what driver they are looking to purchase. your comment is bull, I do understand not wanting to pay full pop for a new driver as extra money is not as prevalent these days but if you are going to try the drivers out before you buy them you should have to pay extra for that because I do not see online stores allowing you to try out the 20 different drivers some of you think you need to swing before making a decision.

      sorry touchy subject.

      bsoudi

      10 years ago

      I check in at this site only occasionally. But as a marketer who really admires Callaway and Harry Arnett’s communications strategy, I’ve been interested in this whole “business of golf equipment” theme that’s been hashed about on here. I’m not affiliated with Callway (check my IP address Tony Covey!) but I do work in a business VERY VERY similar to this one and I have a few points I’d like the staff and posters to consider:

      1) You are not a typical consumer, you are not the voice of golfers. Just by reading a golf equipment web site, you’re an elite consumer, likely the top 10-20% of the market. 80% of golfers don’t get a new driver every year, don’t ever trade-in a club, don’t get custom fit, don’t follow or care about golf retailers.

      So concluding that because you are upset about obsolescence of your current driver or the loss in trade-in value or these other issues means that the entire business is screwed up, or golfers are ready for a revolt is just not true. the numbers of people so mad about this and “takes his money to Titleist” will be in the hundreds, not tens of thousands.

      “Why buy now when it will be cheaper in 6 weeks? Why buy in 6 weeks when the next model is just a few months away? For the average consumer, more than ever, it doesn’t make sense…not at these premium prices.” just doesn’t describe the average golfer; they are just not that involved in the purchase.

      2) Club mfrs aren’t actually marketing their current club against the last one. Because so few replace clubs very often (I believe Arnett said the avid golfer replacement cycle is about 3 years), they’re marketing today’s club versus 3-5-however year old clubs.

      3) OK. Ping and Titleist seem like the gold standard with their roll-outs and strategies. Lots of talk about Mizuno, too. But I would bet that their market share is a fraction of Callaway and TM. When you’re a private company like Ping, you can go your own way and do what you can to be profitable; when you have Wall St breathing down your neck every quarter, you have to play a different game.

      4) This site is wails that the club makers are hurting retailers. Maybe true. But My Golf Spy also hurts retailers by publishing pre-release “spy” photos. You see, when people see the next driver, they won’t buy the current driver on the shelves of the beloved retailers. It’s why Apple and car companies and everyone hates leaks – it doesn’t hurt their sales as much as hurt retailers. And retailers get PISSED when this happens. In my business, we have delayed launches of new products by weeks at a time to help get the current product out of dealers.

      5) If you’re going to continue on this topic, you gotta pick a side – consumer or retailer. You say a downside of good inventory control and fewer launches is higher consumer prices. BUT THAT’S GOOD FOR RETAILERS, because they’re the ones making more money by not having to discount! How do you control inventory? You do better forecasting and then only build about what you think you can sell, whether that’s 15 driver models a year or 2. When you don’t have too much inventory, there’s no need for the retailer to discount (more profit!) and there’s no need for the mfr to do give-backs/discounts (more profit!). I think Cally has been better at this as in recent visits to Dicks, I’ve seen rack after rack of TM clubs, but limited numbers of Big Berthas and XHot 2s. Plus, when Arnett says their transaction prices have been higher and their pipeline clean, that means more profitable business for both them and retailers. If you really want to understand this, research the car industry.

      6) Maybe it’s not just an accelleration of introductions with Cally, but a change in the cadence/pacing of them. If you’re Arnett and believe in the “newsroom” communications strategy, you don’t introduce your entire lineup at one time at one event (like the PGA show). You roll them out many times throughout the year to get the most coverage. Introduce 10 products at one time, each gets 10% of the coverage; introduce 10 products at 10 times, each gets 100% coverage. Maybe you should wait a year or 2 before saying what the right cadence is.

      There’s so much more I’d love to address, like product segmentation, consumer psychology, etc. but gotta get back to work.

      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      @Bsoudi – I’ll address your point 1 by 1.

      1. This is absolutely true. Even the biggest of golf sites probably doesn’t hit 10% of the population (recreational + avid), but I think that probably illustrates exactly how out of hand the market flooding has become. When I hear from guys who don’t read this site (or any golf sites), and don’t buy a new driver that THEY think it’s getting out of hand (if it ultimately doesn’t impact what they buy), then I’d argue we have reached a point where the market has exceeded what it can reasonably bear, and consumer frustration while maybe not at a tipping point, is growing.

      But again…if our segment is so insignificant, why is Callaway so hyper-focused on it (look at all the damn videos)? It’s Malcom Gladwell 101, isn’t it? Reach the influencers…the mavens (our readers and others like them), and let them reach the other 80%-90%. Harry understand this. It’s not all about direct reach.

      2. I agree. I’ve said this countless times. A newly released driver isn’t for the guy who just bought the last one…it’s for the one that didn’t. But again…that’s how it should be, but I’d have you note that when Callaway released the Big Bertha V-Series, Callaway billed it as 7 yards longer than Big Bertha (the just barely 6 month old Big Bertha). Aggressively marketing against your own 6 month old product is bad business. It’s a middle finger pointed at the customer.

      3. Absolutely, PING plays by different rules. And really, Titleist does too. Both enjoy solid market share in most categories, but Titleist has the ball. There are no peaks and valleys with Titleist just steady, predictable growth. Harry and I talked about this earlier this year…the idea that market share isn’t always good. TaylorMade relied on high volume, low profit…Titleist is lower volume, high profit, and well…Callaway appears to want it’s cake and to eat it too. It’s ambitious, but I like what it’s trying to do.

      4. You can’t really argue that we don’t reach enough golfers to represent the consumer as a whole and then argue that we hurt retailers with spy photos. The argument we make is that by now everyone knows something new is coming…sometimes seeing it matters, I suppose. That said…it’s either disingenuous or uniformed to blame us for any of this. Most ‘spy pics’ now either originate from the tour (manufacturers are the source), or from retail accounts. Don’t shoot the messenger.

      5. Why do we have to pick a side? Reality has no side. The Callaway model is bad for consumers (initially). It means higher prices and fewer discounts (although that didn’t work so well with the first round of Bertha and Alpha, did it?). It means others will follow suit, and the consumer will ultimately pay more. It’s a shift in business, back to larger margins (for manufacturers), and more money (from the same margins) for retailers. If it makes the market healthy again, I think ultimately consumers will benefit, but out of the gate, it’s anti-consumer but very necessary for Callaway to be successful long term.

      As for Dick’s inventory…it’s not that they sold a whole lot more Callaway, it’s that they’ve started with a lot more. Dick’s made a bad business decision, but TaylorMade still sold more product than Callaway this year (not nearly as much as they used to), and Callaway is in a better place because of it.

      6. Now you sound exactly like Harry…Cadence…pacing. And hopefully that’s what this is…Callaway has to (res)start somewhere, and if you want to launch big in the fall, then you have to start in the fall…and so Bertha and Bertha Alpha get squashed for the cause. That’s fair, but if you’re a consumer (especially if you’re the well-informed, online consumer), it’s tough to stomach watching those prices drop, and your 6 month old driver being relegated to the scrap heap (that’s the psychology piece, right…sometimes we just want the new one). We know what replacement cycles are, but Callaway and everybody else wants you to want the new one. If they can sell you a driver once every 3 years, great…if it’s 1 a year, even better.

      The point is, it’s okay (necessary even) to release throughout the season. That’s good for business (it’s good for my business), but there needs to be some degree of predictability (consumer psychology again), otherwise it starts to look like a grab for attention (and money), and perhaps a means to pad the bottom line for some other reason.

      Segmentation is unquestionably important for Callaway (and most others). Arguably, only PING has really been successful at it (with metal woods products anyway). Everyone else struggles to get their differentiation story out effectively (assuming they even have one). Callaway is trying…it’s too soon to say if it’s working, but I will tell you that if it was a focused as it claims to be, certain products would look very different than they do right now.

      bsoudi

      10 years ago

      1) My point here isn’t about reach of this site or others – it’s about overestimating the size of the problem. I would bet less than 10% of golfers are “superenthusiasts” debating product cadences, buying every driver model, using $1,500 shafts, saying the ball needs to be rolled back and reading niche golf equipment blogs and forums. One guy – hell, even 100 guys – you meet on the course complaining is insignificant in the total market.

      Absolutely influencers (and this 10%) are very valuable. But from a communications and marketing standpoint – you don’t build your product line around them. And sure, there’s a lot of money to be made with these folks as they buy the latest and greatest and the most often.

      I would just caution people to not think their experience, or what they read from the superenthusiasts posting on MGS, is the whole market’s experience.

      2) As a marketing communications guy, I can tell you they compare against the last model to have a point of reference in communications. And to hope to hook some of the less savvy “buy-every-model” guy into upgrading. Again, the message is really for that guy with a 2 or 3 year old model. And maybe a competitive model.

      5) Picking a side? It sounds like you have picked a side – the “manufacturers are the bad guys” side. You seem to want consumers to get low priced gear and for retailers to make bigger margins – made possible by less margins from the manufacturer.

      The holy grail for manufacturers and retailers is to sell at retail price. It’s not better for the consumer. If there’s product sitting around (due to poor demand, poor forecasting/oversupply, or competitor offerings) you need to discount. This burden is then on both the manufacturer and the retailer, and it hurts both bottom lines – but it is great for consumers. Be careful for what you wish for, because if building closer to reduced demand is what you want with fewer offerings, prices will stay high – just look at how few rebates/promos there are on most semi-popular new cars nowadays.

      Regarding Dick’s, I think you made my point here – Callaway and Dick’s will not have to discount as aggressively as TM because they had initial inventory much more in line with the market. They sold pretty much what they had and probably for MSRP. Good for them.

      6) I read all these posts and articles and I see a lot of sour grapes. You mention how “well-informed, online consumers” get upset when a new driver model comes out. If they’re so well-informed, they should know that a new model will come out within 12 months (especially if they buy certain brands) that will tout benefits over their current driver. They would know that despite the claims, it likely won’t give them any added distance or forgiveness. They would know that if they didn’t want to be disappointed, they should wait 3-6 months for the price to drop or this driver to show in the used market.

      Without a doubt, TaylorMade went overboard. But rather than a huge industry problem, maybe its a problem with a very, very, very small percentage of people who have unrealistic expectations or just like to complain or hate on manufacturers. They complain about newer car models, new PC features and new iPhones, too.

      You say “Callaway and everybody else wants you to want the new one. If they can sell you a driver once every 3 years, great…if it’s 1 a year, even better.” Are manufacturers evil for trying to get people to buy every year? Or are people just not too smart for actually doing it and then regretting it?

      I bought a Big Bertha in June at MSRP. As a “well-informed online consumer,” I knew it would be obsoleted this fall or Spring with a new model and that I could save some $$. But I paid full boat to have the driver I wanted for the peak season. In the end, I probably paid an added $5 per round to play that driver. I’m good with it, that’s the deal I made.

      I totally agree that Callaway needs to do better in segmenting and then positioning its products for different golfers and swings. It’s not simple and easy enough for 16 hcp Joe Golfer to head into PGA Superstore and grab a Callaway driver off the rack and be satisfied. And it should be that easy. [Not to mention the new 815 name is lame and the design is too busy and Steampunk-y].

      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Following up…

      1) Good points. We all live in our own little vacuums and assume that what’s right in front of us is representative of the way things are everywhere. That’s definitely not always the case.

      2) That’s how it should be…totally agree What Callaway did with the late 2014 V-Series release is make a direct comparison to the 2014 Big Bertha. When differentiation is the goal, you probably shouldn’t make direct comparisons against what’s supposed to be an entirely different product for an entirely different type of golfer. I suppose it’s a bit like Toyota telling new Highlander owners that what they really need the new 4-Runner…or maybe a Camry.

      3) I guess I’m on the side of the well-informed consumer. Sometimes that’s joining the chorus against whatever perceived injustice there may be, and sometimes it means being the guy telling them what they don’t want to hear. Maybe you missed my article about how equipment prices need to go up. I’m the guy telling people that prices must go up. Manufacturers are entitled to their margins (no price increases in basically 20 years is crazy), and while increased retail prices don’t translate to higher margins for retailers (on percentage it’s the same), it does mean more money on every sale. (25% of $499 is more than 25% of $399).

      You make it sound as if Callaway did exceptionally well at Dick’s. They didn’t…not really, but again, yeah…it borders on conspiracy the relationship between Dick’s and TaylorMade and that makes it’s easy to say it’s not an industry problem. It’s a one-company problem, but it’s bigger than that. When retailers…any retailer have too much inventory they don’t order more of anything. Other companies suffered…and continue to suffer because of excessive competitor inventory.. For the next little while, TaylorMade’s problem is everybody’s problem. Shops won’t order more Cobra until they clear out the TaylorMade. Everything must go first.

      The pink elephant in the room is that the decline of golf in general is everybody’s problem, and while it might be told differently in the spin room, what I’m being told is that all of this price hiking is really just an acceptance of reality. Golfers are leaving the sport and they’re not coming back. Those who are sticking around are spending less. And with a market that’s grown accustomed…perceptually entitled really to cheap gear, the high volume, low margin game is over. Pretty basic math, right? If you’re going to sell less, you better make more on it.

      And let’s be honest, Callaway failed to execute the entirety of it’s plan for this season. IF Callaway’s projections had been accurate, IF they had managed inventory as intended, you wouldn’t have seen the discounts on Alpha and Bertha. That was never the plan. Those were supposed to nearly sell out and full retail. It didn’t happen…not even close. And so here we are a ridiculous 9 months later, and the company is simply telling a more public version of the same story. Maybe the company will be better at forecasting this time around. Getting it right the first time can’t be easy.

      We all have our own ideas of what the appropriate gap between releases should be. Me…I’m good with a year on just about anything. Player’s irons at the extremely low end of the HCP range…give me 2, maybe 3 years, but that’s just good business sense right? I’m good with a year, and I think most others are too. 9 months on a $500 driver, discounted after 6…you’re right, it’s probably not a majority problem, but as you say, the 10% matters.

      Along the lines of what you were saying…phones…cars…there’s a predictability to that. Once can schedule his purchases. I’m an iPhone guy…I skip the “S” and “C” and wait for the next major release…and it basically comes on schedule. Is it necessary, frankly, I don’t know, but I think some (again, probably not a majority) find some comfort in a commitment to predictable cycles.

      Regis

      10 years ago

      I agree with some of your position but I think you underestimate the impact of this and similar blogs. Sure only a very small percentage of regular golfers regularly read this site, but I’d be willing to bet a larger number of regular golfers than you propose “Google Search” or otherwise search the net to see how that new Callaway or Tmag they are considering fared in reviews offered by this and other sites.. If the bloggers you dismiss say that the Callaway 2015 is nothing dramatic compared to their 2014 entry or lacks the features of other manufacturers’ current offerings it will influence their decision regardless of how often they buy clubs.. I don’t pretend to be the marketing guru you profess to be but I think you are wrong in this regard.

      bsoudi

      10 years ago

      Regis, that’s not really my point. I’m not dismissing bloggers or web sites.

      I’m saying that in the big scheme of things, not that many people do that much research, read web sites or forums at all. They certainly don’t get into this “how often do manufacturers release products” debate.

      I don’t have golf consumer data, but that’s my educated guess.

      Rodan

      10 years ago

      Wow! I must say that it does appear that Callaway is mimicking the Taylor Made product introduction cycle and I do have a BB Alpha so the fact that it is worth a lot less now is a bummer.

      At the end of the day you have the golfers where money is not an issue, they either have it or they want the new stuff and will spend it even if they don’t have it. I believe that Callaway is targeting these players as customers, they will keep buying the next big thing.

      I used to be that guy and let me tell you they were making money off of me, but i have now moved into the other category, the guy who is happy with what they have regardless of what new driver comes out, they have a driver and they play it well and that is good enough.

      What brought me to that conclusion, my Alpha went in for a new shaft (same as stock) and I had to play my old X460 driver and guess what, I hit it within 5 yds distance wise of the Alpha and my dispersion was actually a little better.

      That difference was not worth the $400+ I paid for the Alpha and I believe that the difference in performance to the new BB drivers will not be worth that amount either. I am off the golf marketing train……..FINALLY.

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      Travis Goodspeed

      9 years ago

      You’re making the right decision, one that more golfers need to make. After all as the saying goes, “It’s the Indiana, not the arrow.” Golf technology physically cannot change much, yet people don’t understand that. They are sucked into marketing and truly believe if they buy a new product, then they will get better. If that were the case then everyone would shell out thousands to become Tour pros!

      I played with my grandpa’s 50-year old clubs over the weekend and I hit them to within 5 yards of my current irons/woods as well and shot only 5 stroke over what I normally did. These were decades old clubs with the flimsiest graphite shafts I’ve ever seen. It blew all golf marketing out the window for me. There’s no such thing as new technology that will improve your game!

      I think people would be better off if they bought an entire new set of clubs, and then stayed away from the golf store for a minimum of two years. Instead of thinking about a golf purchase as a game-improver, think of it as a reward for your game. Can’t break 100? Work on your swing until you can, then maybe reward yourself with a new putter. Do the same thing for 90, 80, 70, etc. I guarantee what will end up happening it you will become a better player while falling in love with your clubs.

      You’ll realize that golf is about player skill regardless of what clubs you’re using, and we’ll all stop becoming such club hoes.

      If every consumer stopped becoming club hoes, I guarantee the golf industry’s pricing would drop by 50% because they would realize people just aren’t willing to spend that obscene amount of money anymore!

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