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10 Ways (NOT) To Buy Fake Golf Clubs on EBAY!

24% of Golf Clubs Sold on EBAY are Fakes (Counterfiets)!

10 Ways Not To Get Scammed on EBAY!

We did a random survey of 100 golf club listings on EBAY a couple months ago and our “Golf Club Scam Alert System” we found that there was a high-probability that 24 of those listings were FAKES!

Since this has become such a problem we thought it would be a good idea to help you know what you are getting when you purchase something online. So today we are going to show you 10 ways not to get scammed when you are purchasing equipment online. But first, we want to give you the background on how this whole illegal operation all got started and why it is so rampant right now.

How & Where Golf Club Counterfeiting All Got Started

During my 11 years in the golf industry I have seen an explosion in golf club counterfeiters. Why is that?

Well there are many reasons why this became such a popular profession and one worth serious jail time and heavy fines. It all started when foundries overseas started to get the majority of the golf club production business from the United States. China and Taiwan began to get almost all the work in regards to golf club manufacturing about 2 decades ago. And now…the US produces next to nothing and the reason is cost and efficiency. The engineers and foundries overseas for the most part are finely oiled machines…they do incredible work at unbeatable prices. They are very good, extremely creative and incredibly hardworking. The majority of their workers put in 12-hour days, 7-days a week, and are paid only about $150 a month. But…and this is a big but…they can make up to $10,000 for stealing an original design by an OEM…which is a huge motive when you consider the fact that it is more then they make in 5 years!

Secondly, and no less important to the cause of golf club counterfeiting is the fact that so many people now touch this product or design before it is completed. There are now lots of middle-men involved in the production of a golf club…believe it or not there might be over 75 people touching a design before it hits the shelves. And this leaves much more room for mischief. This is where the majority of the shadiness begins. There is much less control when lets say a company like Taylormade gives its design to a firm overseas compared to one in its own backyard.

The counterfeiting of golf clubs actually began in Taiwan although after the Taiwanese government started enforcing intellectual-property laws and the Taiwanese wages went up compared to China’s, the roles reversed and now China is the main producer of counterfeit golf clubs. They make about 85% of all the counterfeit golf clubs on the market today. Although…ironically many are funded by Taiwanese investors…interesting huh. Employees make such little money, that they’re will always be stealing and the selling of molds going on in this business. Even though many foundries perform daily body searches with metal detectors at every entrance an exit and security cameras which watch over them like hawks during their shifts…it still won’t make a difference. There is just too much to gain…the market for this has just gotten too big.

So why do we keep using these foundries to make our clubs you ask? Well the big OEM’s will tell you…the benefits and rewards (profits…go figure) are just much larger then the risk of someone knocking off their club. If they didn’t use these foundries, drivers instead of costing $300 would run you about $1000 smackeroos! And iron sets…shewwww fogetaboutit!

So How Do You Avoid Buying A Counterfeit Club? How To Spot A Fake!

We spoke to reps from every major name brand golf club company on the market and then put together a comprehensive checklist for you to use the next time you purchase something of EBAY or from any online retailer for that matter. And if you don’t think these fakes are showing up in the big retail stores…guess again. Almost all of the big chains have had to implement mandatory inspections of every club that comes through their shop because the quality of the counterfeits are getting so good. And that is why we put together the most comprehensive checklist.

“Golf Club Scam Alert System Checklist”:

GOLF CLUB MANUFACTURERS

  • Callaway 1-877-CALLAWAY (877-225-5292)
  • Taylor made 1.800.888.CLUB (2582)
  • Ping 1.800.4.PING.FIT (1.800.474.6434)
  • Mizuno 1.800.966.1211
  • Cleveland (800) 999-6263
  • Nike Golf 888 799 6453

Examples Of Counterfeits (Via GolfBidder.co.uk)

FAKE CLUB TEST #1 – Callaway X460 Driver

One of these is one of Callaway’s superb long-hitting X460 driver manufactured from pure titanium. The other is a cheap imitation which hits the ball considerably less distance. The fake, here, is on the left – note how the number 9 denoting the loft is a slightly different font – and how Callaway written on the side is less defined. Note also that the plastic ferrule – which covers the join between clubhead and shaft – is slightly thinner on the fake.

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FAKE CLUB TEST #2 – TaylorMade r7 460 Driver

The heads on the TaylorMade r7 460 drivers are uncannily similar – even the fonts are pretty close – although the shade of orange on the crescent isn’t quite right. (The counterfeit is the on the left by the way).

counterfeit ebay golf clubs

FAKE CLUB TEST #3 – Nike Sumo SQ 5900 Driver

To the untrained eye, the counterfeit driver (left) is not immediately apparent; the main giveaways are that the yellow paint is not quite the correct shade – and the casting of the raised triangular shards within the yellow section are not as crisp and proud as the genuine article.

{ 721 comments… read them below or add one }

Boston House Foreclosures July 16, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Good idea for a post. I think though, a couple of your suggestions are problematic.
a) color of paint on the head is almost impossible to compare unless you have two clubs side-by-side because of the differences in lighting and cameras.
b) extra epoxy isn’t really indicative of a counterfeit either, because the club could have been reshafted by a hobbiest or a sloppy professional clubmaker.

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James July 4, 2010 at 4:59 pm

Great Post!Whats worse about these counterfeit clubs,is to play against a good player using them, and shoots 72 on you all day!..)-:

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Frank January 30, 2014 at 11:39 am

I have a high handicap. I buy Chinese clubs. Most of the American brands are made in China. Must be a very big price mark-up on clubs if you can buy a counterfeit for 300 % cheaper.

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Bob March 17, 2014 at 8:17 am

R&D is expensive. And the manufacturers charge what the market will pay. Nothing wrong with that. But refusing to pay someone for their design, and still using the design, is just wrong. I’m not saying you need to buy the expensive name brands. If your skill and budget fit better with store brand have at it. But don’t buy a “fake” Calloway just to pose.

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dgh September 24, 2010 at 10:31 am

Hope everyone finds this useful…Please Pass It On.

Avoid: golfonlinehotsale.com Really Bad Fakes/Counterfeits
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Company information:
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Avoid Like The Plague…COUNTERFEIT TAYLORMADE CLUBS

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Really Bad Fakes/Counterfeits

Dennis

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dgh September 27, 2010 at 6:33 am

AVOID …… http://WWW.GOLFONLINEHOTSALE.COM

CONFIRMED BY TAYLORMADE THAT THIS MAINLAND CHINA SCAM-COMPANY IS SELLING COUNTERFEIT CLUBS.

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will November 27, 2010 at 12:31 pm

Sunogolf also have very cheap fake clubs I know I made the mistake and didn’t listen to all the others that bought from them. They are FAKE and when you try to get in touch with Sunogol they will not get back with you. They show operaters on line but you NEVER get to talk to any one. Don’t be a foul like I was and buy from Sunogolf. stay as far away from them as you can.

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Scott July 19, 2014 at 7:48 pm

Saw a show on 60 minutes about fake golf clubs from China. They took a fake Callaway driver to Callaway’s headquarters and their engineers could not tell it was fake until they cut it open and looked inside. It had a serial number carved into it and was a perfect copy from the outside. My point is that some of the copies cannot be identified by the naked eye. That copy also was about 20 to 25 yards shorter and tended to hit the ball slightly to the right as well. But the looks were spot on. So beware.

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mygolfspy July 16, 2009 at 1:53 pm

Actually we should have included that for the paint…it would be for ones you were looking at in an actual store.

And for the epoxy we should have included for retailers that claim they are brand new.

But good points…and thanks for the comment. Hope to see you back.

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jay January 11, 2010 at 4:40 pm

Gday,
How do we not get ripped off by someone who has purchased a fake from China and then on-sells it on eBay. They have good feedback rating, but the clubs they are selling is possibly 70-80% of the MRP. Surely if they had purchased from manufacturer or legitimate site, they could not sell for such a lower price. Or is it possible that they do get a good discount from manufacturers?
Cheers

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mygolfspy January 11, 2010 at 4:44 pm

What is the link to the user?

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Dyl February 20, 2011 at 10:31 pm

Hey i just bought a set a Vega irons off ebay for $700, just wondering if thats sounds to good, i think retail is like 1200. Also wondering if anyone knows about this brand being legit most of the time or not.

thanks

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pengyun July 16, 2009 at 11:54 pm

i just want to add that if they use pictures from online instead of actual camera taken ones i would trust them.

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mygolfspy July 17, 2009 at 7:11 pm

That can sometimes be a good tip…your right pengyun. Thanks.

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Reed December 19, 2011 at 9:44 pm

Also a great tip for fake Scotty Cameron’s is when they spell Scotty “Scottie” and when there are many listings of the same club with the same picture.

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Eric Hutchens July 17, 2009 at 5:24 am

Good article. I had a buddy of mine buy some Calloway irons off ebay and they were counterfeit. Good information.

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tim flaherty April 20, 2010 at 6:54 pm

If you don’t get fitted at an open sky range with a Pro that possesses a flight scope monitor or a Trackman monitor…you are cheating yourself.

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CJ Bush July 17, 2009 at 5:42 am

Great post! This has been an ever increasing thing these days. I don’t use eBay that much anymore due to the fact that there are so many counterfeit clubs out there that you never what you could get. I am not sayig eBay isn’t a great place to shop for clubs, but you really have to look at what your bidding on as it could be a fake. These tips will help a lot of people out who didn’t know to look for these things.

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mygolfspy July 17, 2009 at 7:13 pm

Thanks CJ! I think like yourself there are many golfers that have decided to not shop on EBAY anymore for golf equipment, That is one reason the OEM’s are doing the pre-owned stores nowadays.

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GR April 17, 2010 at 9:11 am

While I agree countefeits obvioulsly are to be avoided. There are some very reputable manufacturers of clones. What is your opinion on them? I have used Gigagolf, for example, and find their clubs to be excellent. Many friends have tried my clones and find no dropoff in performance. Recent article about the actual “cost” of maunfacturing drivers, iron, etc. shed some strong light on the “high markup” our golf manufacturers enjoy.

GR

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Spanky July 17, 2009 at 7:34 am

Wow makes you wonder if paying a little extra in a store is worth the peace of mind when buying a new club. By the way I finally remembered to add you guys on facebook

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mygolfspy July 17, 2009 at 7:14 pm

Thanks for adding us Spanky ;) Yeah the stores are a much more reputable place to buy clubs these days.

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Reed December 19, 2011 at 9:48 pm

An even better option is second hand clubs. When I lived in the UK there was a great website called golfbidder which also has a couple of small stores so you could go in and see the clubs. I would recommend people to after trying out other clubs to search for a second hand version due to the great price difference and definite legitimacy.

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Cindy May 25, 2011 at 8:38 pm

Buying from a reputable retail store – and yes paying a little extra – not only gives you peace of mind, but the clubs are under warranty for 1-2 years as well. We’ve had customers come in with clubs from eBay (that may or may not be legit), wanting us to warranty it. The nerve of some people!

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John Barry July 17, 2009 at 7:56 am

Awesome post, and thanks for the tips!

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mygolfspy July 17, 2009 at 7:14 pm

Glad you enjoyed it John. You are very welcome.

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Golfer Burnz July 17, 2009 at 1:43 pm

It would be very interesting to HIT the counterfit and original, side-by-side, to see the drop off in club performance.

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mygolfspy July 17, 2009 at 7:15 pm

Would be a great post for us to do. We will try to get our hands on some of the counterfiet gear. I have a Scotty Cameron Futura that is an exact replica but is a counterfeit.

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DGodons July 17, 2009 at 3:05 pm

My car was broken into last year and I tried to replace my stolen Callaway driver on ebay. I should have been weary when the driver was listed aI a very low price. Again, I should have known better when the order form for my “winning” bid was half in Chinese and half in English. I also should have been cautious that they had as many as I wanted with any variation I wanted at the same price. After receiving the driver, I noticed that the decal was placed on the bottom in a sloppy manner with lots of air bubbles, the return address, etc was also in Chinese, and the club did not hit worth a dam. I should have known better, but greed got the best of me. I junked the driver and went to Golf Galaxy and bought a real one. Total difference in performance. Expensive lesson!

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mygolfspy July 17, 2009 at 7:16 pm

Yeah you really have to be careful DGodons. Sorry that happened to you.

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Wayne Kivi July 17, 2009 at 4:46 pm

Bought a “made for Taylormade” Fuji Motore shaft that just never played right. I had demoed the real thing and it was like night and day. another expensive lesson. Thanks for this post.

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mygolfspy July 17, 2009 at 7:17 pm

The quality difference between the two can be remarkable between the two.

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Scott July 20, 2009 at 1:07 pm

I was recently caught up in this looking for more products for our web site. I too have a product made in China and have learned a lot about the way they think and operate. Details are just not important to them. Look for sloppy paint work or decals that are not placed properly. Those with serial numbers are actually the easiest to catch. Most OEM manufacturers only place a serial number on a single club like the 6 or 8 iron. The counterfeits I have seen all have them on all clubs and all sets are the same number. Not only are the club heads counterfeit but so is everything else. Shafts and grips are knocked off as well. If you find a bunch of clubs with Project X shafts at regular steel shaft prices beware. They are not likely real. A set of Project X shafts alone are $4-500. I wish there was a lot more information like this more accessible to the buyer without them having to hunt it out. Reduce the demand and the supply will go away. Knock off a supplier and another will take its place as long as demand is there. Thanks mygolfspy. Get the word out!

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alan s August 5, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Hi, very interesting comments, I was hoping someone could help me, I use a site called http://www.brandgolfclubs.com and they say they only sell oem golf clubs, does this mean that the clubs have came from the real makers, i.e, I am after some vokey spin milled wedges so would these have been made by titleist and be the real ‘I AM’ if you like or could they be copies.

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jack lester August 11, 2009 at 9:00 pm

I just bought 1 set cleveland CG14 wedge from this website ,very nice wedge! and fast shipping.:)

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alan s August 13, 2009 at 1:37 am

Thanks, I recueved the wedges and were superb quality and fast shipping, site is reccomended

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Matt C September 4, 2010 at 9:00 pm

Guys… are you sure those clubs are guenuine ?
The site is written in terrible English and when you Whois lookup the domain, it points to a chinese location…
Not that it automatically means it’s counterfeit but let’s just say it looks questionnable…

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Robert Hutner April 20, 2011 at 9:59 pm

Dont trust these guys on the forums, read cautiously, I bet alan S and Jack lester are trying to scam you giving address for site. If any sight looks fake its that one….

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keit hillier August 6, 2009 at 11:27 pm

Hi i find this all interesting as i have just been had when i purchased a set of callaway x22 tour irons and have since found that they are fakes even the reg number was for the x20 series and not for the x22,when i registered the set with callaway the number was accepted onl because it related to the older series.
i really peeved off whit myself being so silly to think that i was getting a great deal?????never again i can tell you.
keit

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mygolfspy August 7, 2009 at 6:32 am

First…just want to say sorry Keit…the X-22′s were probably by far the most counterfeited club this year. And that is a new trick for them to use old serial numbers. But it seems like those should have already been registered.

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ken May 15, 2010 at 9:23 am

maby it would help if everybody that bought clubs from reputable sources would register them with the maker, there would be a lot less legit numbers out there floating around. for the scammers to use.

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Barry August 5, 2010 at 12:35 pm

Maybe if the companies wouldn’t charge so much for clubs, we could all get them from dealers here! These companies are making tons of money. Don’t even tell me they couldn’t lower the prices. They have everything made in China because it’s cheap!! We’re paying for sdvertising and PGA pros with all that club money!!

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Joel Silver August 10, 2009 at 10:06 am

Has anyone used golfwholesale18.com? They claim to sell Brand New Titleist AP2 for $299? When they are $999 new? They must be fake?

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mygolfspy August 11, 2009 at 7:04 am

I would steer clean of them Joel. I would NOT buy anything from them.

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Joel August 11, 2009 at 10:06 am

THANKS for the heads up! I thought it sounded to good to be true.

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steve April 20, 2010 at 8:51 am

Called Taylor Made they have never heard of them

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Andy April 18, 2011 at 3:07 am

I spoke to this company using their chat software, i asked the question whether they were fake or original, and they told me the clubs are OEM product and are from an Asian company, does this mean they are totally genuine or just using original stolen parts? But as we have read above most of the clubs are made in china, so can we really say these are fakes if they say they are from Asia??

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Byron April 24, 2012 at 1:02 pm

FBI has seized the website…

Demetrius February 25, 2012 at 6:24 pm

It is shocking to see the propoganda on this website. All clubs are made in china. If you buy from the right guy these clubs are coming direct from the factory. Take these clubs to a pro shop they cannot tell if it is fake or real. A R11 driver cost $15 us to manufacture and retail for $399. Taylormade spends millions on marketing through pga golfers, stop slandering the asians because they are fighting slave labor. How about the critics go work for 3 US a day f that much

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Joel August 12, 2009 at 5:33 pm

I think some of these clubs are starting to make their way into retailers as used clubs. I was just at a GolfGalaxy and they were selling a used Cameron Putter for $210. I took a closer look at it and it was indeed a fake, the manager of the store agreed so they had to take it off the rack.

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Jay August 21, 2009 at 6:59 pm

Has anyone bought clubs from easygolforder.com? The deals seem a little too good to be true?

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Azz August 25, 2009 at 8:07 am

I saw there site too and saw they had Mizuno MP-52 clubs w/steel shafts for $349.99 and I went to my local pro shop and they were listed for $899.99. I called Mizuno to see if this easygolforder company was legite and they said they would stay far away from them because that price is not possible.

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Amy November 16, 2010 at 2:16 am

I bought a set of r9 supertri irons from there on Halloween, arrived very soon. The clubs tested very well. I think it is well worth buying.

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Pat G. August 25, 2009 at 4:47 am

I bought a set of used “Unique Gold” irons locally and learned to hit with them. Then I wanted to upgrade and bought a set of Nickent 3dx rc’s off ebay, hybrids included, $149.

My distance dropped noticably and the feel of the ball strike sucks with all kinds of weird vibrations in the grip. Nothing like the old 1990′s vintage made in America irons I started with.

I see none of the above signs of these clubs being fake. I wonder if they just suck?

With golf being a confidence game, I don’t need to worry about this in the middle of my back swing.

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Pat G. August 25, 2009 at 5:00 am

BTW, http://www.brandgolfclubs.com is from Hong Kong China. Here is the whois info for them. Their website claims they have been in business since 2006, however, this url was just put online March 13 of 2009. I would steer clear.

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mygolfspy August 25, 2009 at 9:16 am

Good detective work! Honestly any company selling clubs in China which are US brands I would be skeptical of. They have the same minimum advertising prices as us so if it is cheaper then it is too good to be true 99.9% of the time.

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Pat G. August 25, 2009 at 11:56 am

To be fair here is the scoop on RBG… the blurb is from manta.com small business site. And the whois info follows… The RBG domain was created 2001. Doesn’t appear to be fly-by-night.

OP was probably just a pissed off local retailer wishing he had $17 million dollars in annual revenue.

Tgib Marketing Inc
(dba Rock Bottom Golf)
1250 Scottsville Rd Ste 3
Rochester, NY 14624
Phone: (585) 230-9113
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Scott September 2, 2009 at 12:18 pm

I am curious to know if there is such a thing as a good deal with buying clubs online. Any real brands out there on ebay? I am open to suggestion to purchase used clubs on ebay.

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mygolfspy September 2, 2009 at 12:49 pm

There are some reputable dealers online believe it or not. But great deals are very rare because of MAP pricing. Almost everyone has to abide by the same prices. Although there are some place like HurricaneGolf.com who buy from places that want to unload inventory so therefore HurricaneGolf doe not have to abide by those same pricing structures put in place.

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rokartgt September 7, 2010 at 11:56 am

Hey, so hurricane golf is a reputable dealer. they are selling callaway x 22 irons for 399.00. Also, carl’s golfland out of michigan says they are a recognized dealer of callaway clubs. They also have x 22′s for 399.00. They seem very legit.

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Thomas September 1, 2011 at 7:23 pm

I can attest, Carl’s is a totally legit store. It is 20 minutes from my house and located at a golf resort. They are the cheapest around my area, it is a family run business.

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Tony May 17, 2014 at 12:23 pm

Hurricane Golf (DeKalb, IL) is very legit, but they do have to abide by manufacturer rules when it comes to advertising the manufactures suggested selling price. So that means if they sell cheaper, they are not allowed to show the price until you put the item in your shopping cart. Hurricane may not have the latest from the OEMs but they do usually carry “last years” model and overstock items at some serious discounts. Bought an Adams DHy hybrid at $99.99 ($100.00 off) and what was $70.00 off what most are selling at their reduced cost as of May 2014.

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Scott September 2, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Recently, I responded to a add to buy some clubs which turned into a phone conversation about golf clubs. This guy pays for a business license to sell products wholesale. He claims that he orders golf clubs through “reps” due to overstock. Should I stay away or what are some question that I could ask to make sure he is legit?

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mygolfspy September 2, 2009 at 1:00 pm

99% sure it is a counterfeit operation. But if you would like you can get me his info and e would be glad to contact him and see for you Scott.

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Scott September 2, 2009 at 1:04 pm

Sure! how would you like me to send it: over this messenger or by email or by phone… Let me know

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mygolfspy September 2, 2009 at 1:07 pm

send to [email protected] I will ask him who is reps are and ask for their contact info. If he will not give that to me I would suggest staying away from purchasing from this individual. He should have no problem giving out names if they truly are selling them due to overstock. =

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Lisa September 5, 2009 at 10:49 pm

After reading all the comments above I’m paranoid about buying a set online that I saw. It’s a ladies Adam’s 13 pc A3 OS. I found it at GreatGolfDeals.com and they’re selling a couple of the colors at 619 (probably the slow selling ones) vs. the 709 for others. Other online retailers have them for 799. Does anyone know anything about that site?

Also, on eBay I see all kinds of them selling from 499 to 569 – I’m guessing those are counterfeit, would you agree?

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Pat G. September 7, 2009 at 5:39 am

I looked at the greatgolfdeals.com web site. It has been up since 1999. Seems legit. The ip address is located here in the US.

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Craig September 24, 2009 at 2:11 am

See below the respsone to an email I sent to shop of Golf. Thoughts Appreciated as I am still confussed!!!

Hi Craig Coleman,

Thank you for your email.

I understand your concern, please kindly notice that all the items are OEM products and brand new with high quality.

Don’t hesitate to let me know if you have any question, have a nice day!

Best Regards,
Jake

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Craig Coleman wrote:

Good morning,

I am looking at buying some Callaway X22 irons and obviously having seen the price you are offering them for I am very interested.

My hesititaion is the price. £184 for a set of X22 is extremely cheap.

I have spoken with Callaway who have said that they cost them more than that to make.

Can you therefore confirm whether these clubs have been made at a Callaway manufacturing site or whether the materials have been purchased and put together by a someone else.

Regards

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Blake Deming September 24, 2009 at 7:47 pm

Thats a scam Craig no doubt about it. Look at the grammar. The dead giveaway on these counterfeiters is there terrible English. You would think they would be smart enough to at least copy and paste an American-sounding response to your emails. Idiots. Scammers. Degenerates.

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brian jones September 26, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Hi recently “bought” a set of Ping g15 Graphite irons form a company with the website address http://www.golfleading.com They were priced at 259 Euros. But the paypal address for payment is to [email protected]. They do not have any address on their website showning their physical location ?
Spoke with thier “online” help online and who said they are based in NYC but wont say where onl;y the clubs are OEM and sourced from China AND the clubs are being made for the Chinese and Japanese market ???? They cant give any serial number (usually on Ping 8 iron).
I believe this company is selling fake clubs, does anyone have any experience of dealing with them ?
At present I have asked them to return my payment and have raised a dispute with Paypal.

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mygolfspy September 29, 2009 at 9:03 am

I would highly recommend not buying from them. I think your best places that are legit for sales like this are going to be Hurricanegolf.com and Rockbottomgolf.com

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Laura July 23, 2010 at 11:40 am

So, I bought a set of Calloways from GolfWholesale18. I paid over $300 for these and guess what? FAKES!. I’ve contacted them to refund my money and I will return the clubs. Here’s what I get from them:
************************************************************
Thanks for getting to me.
Let us solve the matter easily, would you please take the refund $200 and keep the clubs? just save the time and cost on our both sides.
Or please send the clubs to the address I offered you, we will full refund you once the clubs back.
Any ideas, please feel free to let me know. Thanks for your consideration. We are sincere to cover this matter amicably and easily.

Best Regards!

Sarah Brown
golfwholesale18 customer service

How do I get them to just give me back my money and they can have the clubs? This is ridiculous!
Thanks!

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ryan ali December 31, 2011 at 9:41 pm

I bought TM R11 from Rockbottomgolf.com;do you think it’s real. It looks,feel and smell like the real thing, shaft indicate it was made in China and head assemble in USA. paid $250.00 Used.

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Brian Jones October 21, 2009 at 9:49 am

Further to my original post re http://www.golfleading.com and my dispute via Paypal. The first respone from this company was to ask me to cancel the Paypal dispute and then they would refund my payment !
So I refused to do so until the made the repayement — and they did. So I cancelled the dispute but adviced Paypal that they were selling fake Ping clubs.
But throughout they never answered any of my questions of where they were, serial numbers etc. All you could get was their “on-line” question and answer system which simply repeated all the stuff about OEM manufacturers etc. All of which you can get on any of the fake club sellers sites.

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Brian Jones October 21, 2009 at 9:57 am

PS Sorry I took so long to come back on this Paypal disute but I didnt think my original comments had been shown.

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mygolfspy October 21, 2009 at 10:16 am

Not a problem Brain – thanks for giving the update. I am so glad this article is helping people…we are getting emails everyday about this one.

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dennis August 22, 2010 at 7:10 am

did you send the irons back?

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dennis August 22, 2010 at 7:01 am

dennis just bought the same irons you are talking about ping g15 from golfleading.com
i am also trying to get my money back let me know how you do.they say you can send
them back but would very expensive

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Pat G. September 27, 2009 at 3:30 am

Well, I had to work for this one…

There whois info is spotty at best. I don’t know if they sell fake clubs, but I do know they lie. Their whois info reports them as in kettering, wg, us. Which we obviously have no state with the abbr. WG. Their registrar email address is a free gmail account. Another clue. The phone number they give is a number in China. So they have totally misrepresented themselves when they registered their domain. Another clue. If I try to trace route their url I get stopped at secureserver.net which appears to be a proxy network to hide their real location. China blocks all inbound queries, another clue.

Did you get your money back Brian?

Whois Record

Domain Name : golfleading.com
PunnyCode : golfleading.com

Registrant:
Organization : Joe Citra
Name : Citra Joe
Address : 10821 S. Ridgeway
City : Kettering
Province/State : WG
Country : us
Postal Code : 606550

Administrative Contact:
Name : Citra Joe
Organization : Citra Joe
Address : 10821 S. Ridgeway
City : Kettering
Province/State : WG
Country : us
Postal Code : 606550
Phone Number : 86-010-2994895-111
Fax : 86-010-2994895-111
Email :

Technical Contact:
Name : Citra Joe
Organization : Citra Joe
Address : 10821 S. Ridgeway
City : Kettering
Province/State : WG
Country : us
Postal Code : 606550
Phone Number : 86-010-2994895-111
Fax : 86-010-2994895-111
Email :

Billing Contact:
Name : Citra Joe
Organization : Citra Joe
Address : 10821 S. Ridgeway
City : Kettering
Province/State : WG
Country : us
Postal Code : 606550
Phone Number : 86-010-2994895-111
Fax : 86-010-2994895-111
Email :

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Pat G. September 27, 2009 at 3:31 am

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that their phone number is a Chinese phone number.

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dublimogal January 18, 2010 at 1:50 am

These guys are a complete rip off so dont touch them with a pole. all their Clubs are fake and once they have your money they dont send you the right product. They sent me R/H when I ordered L/H irons and then after it cost me $75 to return to the address they supplied they deny getting them back and hence I am out of pocket $460 for my trouble. Suno Golf yet another Chinese rip off company. not far behind some African scams thats for sure. i am African so I can say that… www. sunogolf.com well done you got me….

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David Brewin August 18, 2010 at 6:29 am

I was about to order from golfleading as the price of clubs appears really attractive. Are you sure they are a rip off / fake?

I called to ask them but they assured me they were not fake and sold the genuine Clubs.

Please let me know,
David

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dennis August 22, 2010 at 7:11 am

do not buy you will be sorry

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Pat G. September 27, 2009 at 3:33 am

And their postal code listed is bogus.

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scott September 29, 2009 at 8:49 am

Hey Pat G. what do you say about http://www.mysurbuy.com. Looks way to good to be true, but let me know. Thank you

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Pat G. September 29, 2009 at 2:01 pm

I would not do it… Chinese named registrar. Bogus address, city and zip. Gmail account for contact, not enough or to many digits in the phone number. Again a case of wrong info, they are ignorant at best and crooks at worst.

Hey check on my blog for beginning golfers. golfernewbie.blogspot.com. I have some stuff to post there that may be of interest. I should have it up in a few days.

Registrant Search: “wl sale” owns about 2 other domains
Email Search: is associated with about 5 domains
Registrar History: 1 registrar
NS History: 3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
IP History: 2 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
Whois History: 27 records have been archived since 2008-01-14.
AboutUs: Wiki article on Mysurbuy.com
Dedicated Hosting: mysurbuy.com is hosted on a dedicated server.
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Registrant:
wl sale
Super street
San, Alaska 10001
United States

Domain Name: MYSURBUY.COM
Created on: 06-Sep-07
Expires on: 09-Jun-11
Last Updated on: 08-Jun-09

Administrative Contact:
sale, wl
Super street
San, Alaska 99504
United States
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Technical Contact:
sale, wl
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Sudhir Virendra September 30, 2009 at 10:56 am

Their prices are incredible. Has anyone any comment about the quality of the products they supply. Any scam here? Help.

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CJ Morgan September 30, 2009 at 10:57 pm

I’m really confused. I purchased a set of TaylorMade r7 CGB Max Graphite from an online store at an unbelievably low price. I was a bit hesitant at first, since the rep told me that they are 100% genuine OEM equipment but for a fraction of the cost (these clubs are retailed $1100-$1300), so I purchased them. When I received them, they looked beautiful, in fact, the clubs say made in China assembled in USA. So now I’m wondering if they are fakes. I went to Golf Galaxy and compared mine to theirs and they could not even tell them apart. Also, their clubs say made in China and assembled in USA too. I even played a round of golf with one of the reps from the store and even he could not tell the difference in performance wise between the real or fake ones. But I will tell you that my game has improved significantly from my old Callaway x14s. Thanks!

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Mr Mulligan September 30, 2009 at 11:59 pm

I guess the irony in all of this is… you just can’t trust the Chinese to sell authentic “Made in China” products! I did, however, purchase a Ping G15 Driver from Golfwholesale18.com after I demoed it a few times at the range and it looks, feels and performs the same. Also, the magnet did not stick to the club face, so if it’s a knockoff, it’s a pretty damn good one. I did have a friend who purchased a driver from an ebay listing and it listed brand new and after 3 rounds, the club head flew off the shaft. So from what I’m learning is sometimes you just might luck out and get a decent quality equipment even though they may be counterfeit, but more than likely, you’re taking a big chance.

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Pat G. October 1, 2009 at 11:57 am

So what does OEM mean? Original Equipment Manufacturers.

Maybe the company does make them for Adams or who ever. Then maybe they just run off a few extra when the Adams rep goes to the hotel to sleep. That could be why they don’t have serial numbers.

Maybe after they fill the 10000 unit order and ship them off to Ping or who ever, and the production run is finished, they make a few hundred more. But this time they use pot metal (diecast zinc) instead of 303,304 or 431 stainless and steel instead of titanium on the woods and drivers. Then since they basically have slave labor and cheaper materials they can sell them a lot cheaper!

So they then putt these here for a few months websites with bogus registrar info and sell them to honest hard working unsuspecting golfers like you and me.

I am all for saving money. But you have to be smart about it. If I shop around and find a price that is way to low for the same item. I have to ask myself why that is.

I’m just saying.

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CJ Morgan October 1, 2009 at 5:39 pm

Pat- I agree with you about being smart when shopping for anything online ESPECIALLY if the price is too good to be true. Your post got my attention about the possibility of manufacturers making extra units for themselves and selling them for a way cheaper price. If that’s the case, yes it could be true that they could change the type of metals used to save cost, but it could also be true that they could just as easily make XXX extra units for every XXX amount they produce genuinely, and if that’s the case, then those extra clubs would be same quality with either a bogus serial number or even without one,but that would be almost entirely impossible to know for sure. The safest way I see it would be to spend a few bucks more and get the $1300 clubs instead of paying $250 and having them be counterfeit. But if I did that, then I wouldn’t have the money to golf for quit some time LOL.

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Trayce October 1, 2009 at 6:01 pm

There are some great posts here and wonderful tips! I’ve been debating for a while now whether to purchase a new set of irons online or not and after my due diligence, I came across several online retailers. One in particular is golfwholesale18 and I’ve read a couple of posts here where someone was questioning whether to purchase or not and another who did purchase from them. They have a number listed in NY and London and I called the NY number and they said that they GUARANTEE all their products are 100% OEM and shipped directly from the manufacturer in China, which doesn’t concern me because I know majority of all equipment are made in China or Taiwan. I asked the rep if the equipment have serial numbers and she said yes, but the serial numbers are for the Japanese/Asian market and not US. Does anyone know about this? My golf buddies joke about having the clubs labeled as TayrorMade or Carraway since it’s for the Japan market. Any thoughts?

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Pat G. October 2, 2009 at 3:47 am

I couldn’t agree more. If they do run off extra units and sell them themselves then we stand to gain a lot from purchasing a $1300 set of clubs for $250. And this is something the reps probably don’t want to talk about…

However, there are other issues. Most all the product development goes on here in the west. If we take the money from the companies pockets here then we’ll lose all that R&D money. Bad for us in the long run.

Also we have no support for the equipment when it breaks or needs adjusting. A lot of local pro’s won’t even touch a counterfeit. If they go cranking on it and it breaks then they look like they did shoddy work. Bad for us in the long run.

And don’t forget the most important reason. Because it’s wrong for the OEMs to do this. It’s stealing. It’s wrong for us to participate. It’s called being an accessory to the crime.

And the lure of us wanting something for next to nothing, ie. our greed, is what makes these crooks successful.

LOL!

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Toby Walnut October 6, 2009 at 7:50 am

The momentium has shifted thanks to MyGolfSpy and all the contributors.

First, I want to say how sorry I am to all those individuals who did get lured into purchasing a counterfiet club(s) from the internet.

However, I did want to share a good news story and let you know that your feedback and contributions helped me avoid purchasing a PING G10 set (D,Ws,3-PW,S, Putter)

The descriptions that were provided to help me spot these small inconsistances allowed me to easily identify, in some pictures, that the clubs were actually fake.

I emailed back to let him know I wasn’t interested and he even had the gall to come back and offer me “replicas” at a even MORE reduced rate – the same damn clubs but he was starting to come clean!!!! What an A$$.

I had my wakeup call and I am going out today to GOLFTOWN to look on the spot for some resonable clubs. The way I look at it now – If I can’t afford Retail prices… I can’t afford the Clubs. Goodbye PINGs… hello Nickents!!!!

Cheers! And thanks for speaking up to infom others about these scammers!

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mygolfspy October 6, 2009 at 11:19 am

Toby – I am very please that this article helped. When I wrote this I really hoped it could help one less person get taken for a ride.

If there is anything else we can help you with let us know.

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Pat G. October 6, 2009 at 8:48 am

Good deal Toby! I’m glad you got them before they got you! Hit ‘em straight! (I love my Nickents!)

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Toby Walnut October 6, 2009 at 11:20 am

Just got back from GOLFTOWN.

I now own a set of Nickent 4DX Irons, 4DX Fwy, 4DX SpEd Driver, a Pipe II Putter and an Arc wedge (58deg) I got it all for approx. $650 tax in (on top; they threw in a 24pk Srixon AD333 and 24pk Bridgestone E6+ $45 value)
I know they are 100% legit; but even better I spent 1.5hrs with the Pro who helped me compare clubs (Adams vs. Wilson vs. Nickents), my swing to see if I needed Steel/Graphite or Straight/Draw. I ended up with Steel and Stiff for my Hybrid clubs and it turns out I don’t need the draw after all.

Rather than feeling really insecure and iffy about a purchase online. I spent time in the shop and analyzed which options were best for me – The time alone with the pro was worth more than any cost savings or risk online.

What a close call – and what a great ending! Look out TPC Louisiana!! Here I come!

Thanks again all for your diligent effort to keep us hacks safe with our purchases!!

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mygolfspy October 6, 2009 at 11:25 am

Glad to hear. Sometimes I feel like people red these articles and might never use the info. Glad we could actually help.

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Bob B October 12, 2009 at 5:40 am

Are you familiar with an outfit called http://www.golfetail.com? They have a web store and an ebay store that I know of. I’ve been looking at Callaway BB clubs abd Diablo woods and they do have attractive prices. They claim it is all authentic but, after reading all the above, now I’m not so sure.

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Larry K. January 20, 2010 at 9:08 pm

I was looking at some Callaway X-20 irons on Ebay from golfetail.com. I sent an email to the seller asking if they were genuine Callaway products that would pass an inspection by Callaway. The reply stated that they WOULD pass an official inspection by Callaway as genuine. I haven’t bought any from then yet, but since they stated it very matter of factly that they would pass inspection rather than just some canned response like ” they are OEM” etc., I almost believe they might actually be genuine. Hope you’re still checking back on your posts and read this. I know it’s been a few months since you posted your comments. Happy Golfing. :-)

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Larry K. January 20, 2010 at 9:39 pm

The only thing I can add about Golfetail.com is that when I sent them an email asking if their Callaway X-20 irons would pass an inspeciton by Callaway they stated quite matter of factly that they WOULD pass an official inspection by Callaway as genuine. I haven’t purchased any yet, but am thinking of giving it a shot.

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mygolfspy October 13, 2009 at 11:02 am

As far as we know Bob that shop is legit. But we have only been in contact with a couple sources. So I am not 100% sure. But I am fairly certain.

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Dan D October 20, 2009 at 9:23 am

Ever heard of a website called topgolfmall.com; gosh, I wish I’d read these comments before I ordered from these guys! I just received a set of Taylor Made Tour Burner Graphite irons; should I call Taylor Made to check on legitimacy? They sure look legit!

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Rick P November 3, 2009 at 3:18 pm

Hi Dan D i have also just been scammed by the same site topgolfmall with a set of Diablo Callaways so i to wish i had seen these type of sites first. Just wondering how good the clubs are as it would be interesting to find out if the quality is ok or just rubbish. and how do they feel hitting the little white devil?

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Dan D November 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm

Rick P,

I actually called Taylor Made and they were nice enough to check serial no. on my 7 iron and the serial number was for a completely diffferent set of irons. I confronted topmallgolf with this fact and they refunded $150 out of the $399 I paid. Anyway, I must say that they’re good quality fakes if there is such a thing. They seem to play well; I’ve only used them twice but so far, so good! Hope this helps!

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Rick P November 4, 2009 at 4:11 pm

Thanks Dan, I will wait to see how they are then contacy Callaway and try the same approach with Topmallgolf as i will want to get some monies back if they are not real genuine clubs.

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Dave Wilkinson January 5, 2010 at 11:22 am

You were entitled to a complete refund and badly advised to take a part refund. Your locla Trading Standards would have advised you so and may have helped you further.

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Pat G. October 20, 2009 at 4:24 pm

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szap October 21, 2009 at 6:58 am

What a great forum. One thing I noticed with all of the questionable websites listed is that they all have pretty much the same lineup of brands that they sell. One brand I did not see at any of these sites was Srixon, yet Ebay has a ton of Srixon i701 tour irons selling for $319 to $399 which is way cheap. Is Srixon a brand you see being counterfeited?

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mygolfspy October 21, 2009 at 7:18 am

When you say all the same line-up of brands do you just mean all the top names? And Srixon is typically not a popular brand to counterfeit simply because they are not as popular of a brand. I would have to see the ones on EBAY you are referring to to be able to tell. And like we said in the article ask questions and lots of them to the sellers. If they are counterfeit they usually will not like answering these.

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szap October 21, 2009 at 4:17 pm

Yes, by the same brand I do mean this seems to be the regular list on these sites:
Callaway
Ping
Titleist
Cleveland
Nike
Maruman
Mizuno
Odyssey
Tourstage

Most of these are the top retailers, but not Maruman and Tourstage, yet this list seems to be common amongst all the questionable sites you have listed. Here are a couple of links to Ebay auctions to see the Srixon 701′s for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SRIXON-I-701-TOUR-FORGED-IRONS-RH-3-PW-Gold-S300_W0QQitemZ370278270174QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGolf_Clubs?hash=item56364e04de

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-RH-SET-SRIXON-I-701-TOUR-i701-FORGED-IRONS-3-PW-STF_W0QQitemZ400080481837QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGolf_Clubs?hash=item5d26a7ae2d

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mygolfspy October 22, 2009 at 6:51 am

First thing I would do is ask for real pics of the clubs. ANd then call Srixon and show them the pics. See what they say.

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Tysmith October 27, 2009 at 6:04 pm

Hi iv recently being searching high a low for a new set of clubs and have found several websites that offer golf clubs and stupidly low prices, and like most well i hope, I was a little suspect, did some research and have found several forums about the increase in golf equipment, some have been lucky enough to perchase a good fake, but personally who create a market for these clowns to continue!

Its not often you fing the fake site with a form of contact however i found a site with a chat link, and clearly the service was so poor and DAISEY, well not sure she can speak english have a look at our ”lovely conversation” ;-)

http://www.ebayoyo.com/index.html

I 00:10:30
Id be interested in making a purchase for the irons if you could throw in a tour bag for 100 instead of the 199, would this sale be possible? what guarantee is there?
Daisy 00:10:55
it’s impossible
Daisy 00:10:59
sorry
I 00:11:14
What price could you offer?
Daisy 00:11:23
our price is reasonable enough
I 00:11:47
But surely these items are not authentic?
Daisy 00:12:29
all of our clubs are the OEM products with the same matrial,same quality and performance as the official ones
I 00:12:48
So the clubs are fakes?
Daisy 00:13:10
they are OEM actually
I 00:14:19
Would I be wrong in saying that they are not made in the muzuno factory?
Daisy 00:15:36
let me know if you are still interested in our clubs
I 00:16:28
You have not answered my question and i have found the services of a very poor standard
Daisy 00:17:02
i think i have answered you question already
I 00:17:18
every time I try ask about the clubs and were they are made you end the conversation?
Daisy 00:18:10
that is not my problem,just your thought
I 00:18:39
So are the muzuno irons you sell made in the muzuno factory
Daisy 00:19:45
we get clubs from the qualified OEM,mainly made for Hongkong and Japanese market
I 00:20:12
A straight forward yes or no would answer my question?
Daisy 00:21:27
our clubs are with the same material,same quality with the clubs made in Muzuno factory
Daisy 00:21:42
that’s it

If any further needs, please feel free to contact us. See you later! Bye!

So much to my suprise I havnt bought a single item from this site and I would advise staying the hell away from them.

Thanks

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mygolfspy October 27, 2009 at 7:32 pm

Hi Ty – thanks for this, I got a good laugh out of that. And that is typical of the counterfeiters honestly.

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billy September 27, 2010 at 12:15 am

can you give me a link to the site and daisy’s contact details mate

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Steve November 8, 2010 at 8:31 pm

This seems to be the norm for all of these counterfeit companies. I was bored and curious one night so I chatted with some of these online websites and always got the same type answers for the simple question “Are these authentic clubs.” All our clubs are OEM which actually means they’re counterfeit.

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marc November 2, 2009 at 1:52 pm

I bought some club on the internet, 2 from 3balls.com and one on ebay. Form 3 balls i received a 3 wood, use from Cleveland…. They were great and no problem…. I took a chance for the one on ebay…. CObra S2 irons, brand new with the wrap on it, i ask for picture, and he was not able to provide them but he told me that the club where a late season return from Acushnet…. i decide to believe him and found out that the seller is the head pro from a golf course in ontario and a member of the CPGA. The club are real and they have the original cobra wrapping….. i took a chance and its paid off..and save 350$ on the price i would paid in canada…. bottom line, they are not all honest seller but some of them are honest and give great service and sell original stuff…. DOnt put them all in the same basket… but be on your guard

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Rick P November 3, 2009 at 3:25 pm

Great forum just wish i had researched a bit more before falling for a set of Callaways from Topgolfmall for AUD1650. I supose i will find out how good or bad they are when they turn up but hopefully they will be better than my 25 year old set of Cougers!!! As the saying goes once bitten twice shy.

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Duane White November 4, 2009 at 11:48 am

Hey everyone, I just wanted to add another good way to identify these fake golf clubs on alot of these websites is to see if they offer lefthand not always but it works the majority of the time. The majority of these counterfeiters do not produce left hand models. I put most of the blame on all of the OEM’s for the counterfiet problem we are having if they would keep the MFG in the states we would not have to question whether or not we are buying fakes. All of the MFG’s are producing heads and shafts etc. in China and assemble in The USA. And now they are even starting to have China assemble them as well. As I read in a comment I would like to be able to hit the two side by side to see if there really is a difference or are we just being taken advantage of from the big boys by having the product made for say $100.00 and then selling it to us for $1000.00 I am not sure what angers me most. And we know they are putting it to us when a new Driver comes out for $400.00 and then at the end of the season it is on the shelf for $200.00 you know they are still making a profit.

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torbjorn vea November 6, 2009 at 3:59 am

hello everyone, I just bought a set of callaway x22 irons, 5-pw on ebay from a shop called
proshop jj located in new jersey united states. They claim the the clubs are 100% authentic, and worry free from chinese knockoffs,but after reading this forum ,I have my doubts. I have not recived my clubs yet,but after reciving tracking number i can tell they vere shipped from new jersey. They have a lots of positive feedback on e bay. anyone knows about this shop.
if they are a fake i will open a dispute on paypal once i have recived the clubs.

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gray robertson February 15, 2010 at 6:30 pm

I have been looking at Mizuno clubs from proshopjj, and was suspicious enough to go find this site while I pondered my decision. According to the telltale signs this site reports- they strike out on every one of them. I was thinking they might be involved in some sort of shill-bidding scam to get the prices up, but now I am thinking counterfeit. I don’t think I am going to pull the trigger with them, and if I were you- put them throught the ringer before you take the plastic off the clubs. AND tell Ebay about it. I know they want to clean up their site.

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duane February 16, 2010 at 6:59 pm

proshopjj have over 8000 feedbacks @ 99.4% positive. Based on that, my take would be that they are legit and clubs are authentic – with that much trade they clearly have buying power and hence probably get clubs at bulk rates. I’ve looked at their Ebay pages and policies etc and they clearly stand out against hobbiests or potential fake sellers – I would take the punt.
Be interesting to hear from torbjorn vea to see if the X-22s were legit

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ryan June 21, 2010 at 11:06 am

I recently bought some irons off of this same seller and wondered if you ever got official word whether your clubs were real.

I haven’t yet received my clubs.

Please let me know.

Thanks,
Ryan

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Brien D November 8, 2009 at 6:51 pm

I have been involved in counterfeit clubs as a writer for a local golf publication. As part of my writings, I spend many $$$ buying counterfeits direct from the factory in China. My best friend travels their three to four times a year. While I cannot disclose my reasons, none of the counterfeits return to market via e-Bay or any other sounce. I actually discet them with my chop saw to check the insides then box up and store.

I agree that the internet is loaded with counterfeits, but disagree that the size of the problem is around 14%. My thoughts and information is closer to 65-70%. I support my local PGA professionals with genuine items over the net.

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mygolfspy November 9, 2009 at 11:30 am

Brien – glad to see your comments on the topic. So you think the number is higher and actually 65-70%? Would love to hear more about your findings…our survey did not seem to be as high.

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sammy November 9, 2009 at 5:44 pm

found a website called http://www.hygolfcn.com. and was wondering if anybody has purchased anything from this site and if the clubs are counterfeit or real.

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mygolfspy November 9, 2009 at 6:03 pm

I would beware Sammy. MAP pricing does not allow for many deals nowadays. So going with a reputable shop would be my suggestion. GPPGolf.com, GolfBalls.com, GlobalGolf.com, etc.

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sammy November 10, 2009 at 10:04 am

thanks for your assistance, I will check out these sites that you mentioned.

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Ben November 11, 2009 at 7:42 am

Just my 2 cents for not getting screwed on eBay…

There are 3 retailers I trust almost without question: 3Balls, Rock Bottom and GPPGolf. GlobalGolf seems to be legit as well, but I have only ever purchased 2 clubs from them. However, my issue with all of these sellers is that they aren’t very good about checking specs on their used clubs and they ALWAYS overstate condition. When you get down to it, I’ll take a slightly less pretty club over a possible fake every day of the week.

Individuals that are clearly individuals (feedback 100-400) and not companies. Guys that sell 2-5 clubs at a time once or twice a year. These are the non-retailers that I’ll buy from. The chance here is that they got screwed and are passing the screwing on, but you weed that out when you check the pics and ask the questions. All of the advise here is sound. As someone else posted above, if all consumers would do their homework we’d eliminate this problem through supply and demand.

My last shot here is that if the OEMs were serious about fighting this problem, they would offer COMPETITIVE prices on used equipment that have been condition rated correctly. The worst used club buying experience I ever had was with Callaway Pre-Owned. I paid $350 for a set of “Very Good” X-20 irons that wouldn’t have sold for $50 on eBay. They went back the next day and I haven’t bought any Callaway equipment since. Go look right now. A LIKE NEW set, 5-PW, is selling for $380. That’s actually an OK deal. But the “Good” set is $311?!? Mark that $199 and you’ll get one less guy buying a fake set off eBay.

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Luis November 11, 2009 at 3:49 pm

Hi, I´m looking to buy new clubs in this sites: https://www.golfonline.co.uk/login.php
http://www.onlinegolf.co.uk/

are this sites to trust ?

I live in Portugal and the shops are a bit expensive here. So buying online would be a good option if they not counterfeits.

thank you

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T. vea November 11, 2009 at 11:56 pm

Golfonline.co.uk. Is a good place to shop.
I have bought different golf items there.
I do a lot of research on the net when I by
something,and golfonline always offer som
og the best prices. They Are also authorized
dealer of callaway clubs, so I think there is
no risk of getting counterfeits.

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Luis November 12, 2009 at 11:04 am

Thanks alot for the help

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ron james November 12, 2009 at 7:26 am

as a club builder i have come across many countefit/fake golf clubs and below are a few examples – all bought off ebay.

taylormade tp. superquad – overall length 46.2 inches – shaft weight after pulling 106 grams hosel .350.. proper spec would have been 44.75 inches -65 grams shaft -.335 hozel
stuck on tp labels…as well !
mizuno mp 57 swing weight between c4 and d8 – lies from 2 degrees flat too 4 degrees upright
cast carbon steel – originals would have been D2 SW- 1 degree upright and forged

cleveland CG1 similar spec to mizuno fakes – again cheap mixed cast steel – would snap as soon as cranked.

all above made in china – seen all the emotions when i pointed out that they were fakes too their proud new owners = if it sounds too good a buy then it always is..

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Elson November 12, 2009 at 7:45 am

For Luis. I have bought gloves and Adidas shoes from Golfonline.co.uk, after 7 months the sole came off one of the shoes. Contacted the store they shipped a new pair directly and the only cost for me was 10 pounds shipping. Absolutely no problem using them. Great customer service. I have also purchased a set of Mizuno MP57′s irons from Global Golf, I live in Sweden and ordered them online when I was on vacation in Florida. 2 days later they arrived at my hotel. They advertised the clubs as used but the only club that showed any mark was the 7 iron. The rest of the set was brand new/never hit. Very happy with the product Thanks to mygolfspy for excellent website and this specific Forum.

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Luis November 12, 2009 at 11:05 am

Thanks a lot for the help Elson.Sounds easier than going to the shop!!!

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Tim Flaherty November 12, 2009 at 5:30 pm

Sorry, i feel overseas quality control is crap. A guy in China does not give a crap if your 6 iron weighs the same as your 5 iron in grams. I only buy components and clubs built in the USA.

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Pat G. November 16, 2009 at 3:41 pm

Hey Tim,

What companies make components here in the States? I didn’t know anyone did anymore. I’d like to check them out.

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golfclubbuyer November 14, 2009 at 1:00 am

how about http://www.golfdiscounting.com/?
clubs are shipping from China. must be counterfiets?

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Tim Flaherty November 16, 2009 at 2:06 pm

I just ordered a custom made putter from a builder here in America….with my specifications..i bet 95% of golfer have no idea what their ideal spec’s are….another secret of mine…

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Pat G. November 16, 2009 at 3:38 pm

Here is the whois info for this site… You guys can look these up yourself, just go to google and type in whois golfdiscounting.com and then select the whois info for that domain.

The phone number and fax number appear legit. They didn’t try to hide the fact that they are in China. Postal (zip) code appears legit. The only thing that sticks out here is the site has only been up since July of 09 and the registered owner has 119 other sites listed under his email address. It may be a company email address.
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Here’s what we know about golfdiscounting.com:

* is a contact on the whois record of 119 domains
* 1 registrar has maintained records for this domain since 2009-09-07
* This domain has changed name servers 1 time over 0 year.
* Hosted on 2 IP addresses over 0 years.
* View 1 ownership record archived since 2009-10-03 .
* Wiki article on Golfdiscounting.com
* 6 other web sites are hosted on this server.

Domain name: golfdiscounting.com

Registrant Contact:
golfdiscounting
golfdiscounting golfdiscounting
059186988288 fax: 059186988288
gu shan qu
fuzhou fujian 350000
cn

Administrative Contact:
golfdiscounting golfdiscounting
059186988288 fax: 059186988288
gu shan qu
fuzhou fujian 350000
cn

Technical Contact:
yanghua li
059186988288 fax: 059186988288
gu shan qu
fuzhou fujian 350000
cn

Billing Contact:
golfdiscounting golfdiscounting
059186988288 fax: 059186988288
gu shan qu
fuzhou fujian 350000
cn

DNS:
ns5.cnmsn.net
ns6.cnmsn.net

Created: 2009-09-07
Expires: 2010-09-07

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Marc November 30, 2009 at 9:50 am

Hi Everyone,
Thanks for the heads up. I have been looking for a Taylormade Burner recently and was disappointed to miss out on a couple of ebay auctions, but after reading this think it was a blessing! I then found mysurbuy.com and golfwholesale18.com and was amazed by the prices but I was suspicious that they looked like identical sites. They must be owned by the same Chinese company. Glad I found this article now!

I have seen a 2008 Tour Burner preowned in my local store. Does anyone know how I check it is legit? Or am I just being paranoid now and should trust what the store sells??

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Dave Wilkinson January 5, 2010 at 11:29 am

Test the face with a magnet, if it sticks it’s an obvious fake. Check the club weight, swing weight, shaft length, decals and paint work – preferably aginats a known genuine club at a demo day or similar.

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Todd December 6, 2009 at 1:55 pm

Hi there,

Does anyone know much about Suno Golf? http://www.sunogolf.com

I have been looking at their site and whilst it is not as cheap as some it still cheap and they are based in China.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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mygolfspy December 7, 2009 at 9:50 am

Enough to tell you not to deal with them Todd. You would be wasting your money on the clubs from this site. BUYER BEWARE!

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Todd December 7, 2009 at 3:07 pm

Thanks for the advice. I went with a purchase from Rock Bottom which you mentioned were more credible. Thanks again

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mygolfspy December 8, 2009 at 10:29 am

If you need anything else feel free to ask Todd.

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Stef January 11, 2010 at 6:16 am

I wouldnt use sunogolf, i had a look at their website and my antivirus (AVG) popped up with a trojan virus alert! heh i found this website looking to see if they were legit and i cannot believe the amount of dodgy sites :(

SO hurricane and discountgolfclubs come reccommended.. any other legit discount sites? i need to buy a new driver :)

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mygolfspy January 11, 2010 at 7:49 am

Yes Stef Hurricane is legit but I would not use discountgolfclubs…the owner has many issues on ripoff report.

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michael December 8, 2009 at 8:44 pm

hi all
has anyone ever purchased anything off http://www.taylormadebrand.com ? There prices are cheap but not ridiculous like some sites. Im wondering weather there products are fake/copies? This is a Q&A from there site… Q: Why your prices are much lower than other websites? Are your products are real?
A: We are an Authorized Internet Retailer of only new equipment from all the name-brand manufacturers including Callaway, TaylorMade, Clevelend, Titleist, Ping, Mizuno, Odyssey, Nike, etc… We do not sell questionable “copy cat” clubs, but we do carry a variety of quality starter and intermediate sets as well for you golfers just starting out.

Any help would be appreciated

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mygolfspy December 9, 2009 at 9:06 am

I would not purchase from them Michael. Too many blatant red flags.

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Pat G December 9, 2009 at 2:47 pm

Registration Service Provided By: Xiamen ChinaSource Internet Service Co,. ltd.
[Visit:www.zzy.com]

Domain name: taylormadebrand.com
Creation Date:2008-05-27
Expiration Date:2010-05-27
Status:
clientTransferProhibited
Name Server:
ns1.cnolnic.com
ns2.cnolnic.com

Registrant Contact:
Registrant Name: Chen Sun
Registrant Organization: Chen Sun
Registrant Street1: Xiamen
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: Xiamen
Province: Fujian
Country: China
Registrant Postal Code: 351100
Registrant Phone: +86.05946277277
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX: +86.05946277277
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: [email protected]

Administrative Contact:
Admin Name: Chen Sun
Admin Organization: Chen Sun
Admin Street1: Xiamen
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City: Xiamen
Province: Fujian
Country: China
Admin Postal Code: 351100
Admin Phone: +86.05946277277
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX: +86.05946277277
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email: [email protected]

Technical Contact:
Tech Name: Chen Sun
Tech Organization: Chen Sun
Tech Street1: Xiamen
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City: Xiamen
Province: Fujian
Country: China
Tech Postal Code: 351100
Tech Phone: +86.05946277277
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX: +86.05946277277
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Tech Email: [email protected]

Billing Contact:
Bill Name: Chen Sun
Bill Organization: Chen Sun
Bill Street1: Xiamen
Bill Street2:
Bill Street3:
Bill City: Xiamen
Province: Fujian
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Bill Postal Code: 351100
Bill Phone: +86.05946277277
Bill Phone Ext.:
Bill FAX: +86.05946277277
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Jason December 19, 2009 at 5:51 am

Check out this story from Australian online news source about a guy getting caught selling fake golf clubs on ebay: http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=984001

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mygolfspy December 21, 2009 at 9:52 am

Thanks Jason…I was just reading something similar the other day from another online news site.

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Scott Jessop December 23, 2009 at 9:32 am

Has anyone investigated as to whether these guys are legitimate? They say that they eliminate the middle-man and buy direct from the OEM…

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Ron I December 30, 2009 at 6:27 am

Has anyone had any problems with Monstersgolf on ebay?? They sell more gold clubs than anyone on Ebay and have the most favorable ratings.

Thanks

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mygolfspy December 30, 2009 at 9:58 am

I have never bought from them…any of you guys on here used them?

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Jason M. December 31, 2009 at 1:34 pm

I am looking at purchasing a set of irons from http://www.2ndswing.com/index.htm The site seems to be legit can anyone confirm?

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Tim Flaherty January 8, 2010 at 1:29 pm

@Jason, yes, second swing has a store here in Minneapolis that I go to and buy clubs from..they are legit…

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Simon December 31, 2009 at 4:51 pm

Fantatastic Website and great comments, the problem is that it seems no one actually can verify that the clubs are from a legititmate OEM or not or just a company that possibly produces some part of the end product and uses the certification for evil purposes, (Not at least until its too late and your money has left the account).I’m a very careful buyer, probably too careful but I do have an eye for a bargain and it seems to me that if your careful then you may be lucky. As I see it there is really only way of ensuring that your clubs maybe genuine or at least a brilliant fake. Thats through feedback, Through other posters endorsing particular shops the vast majority of us can at least stand a chance. Another way would be to somehow find out what companies in Asia supply the big brands and source their other retail outlets, Start from the Manufacturer first, just an idea.

I also do not understand and maybe mygolfspy can answer how these OEM can sell clubs with no serial numbers, are these still the same as off the shelf clubs or is just pot luck?

Thanks

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Pat G January 1, 2010 at 5:58 am

2ndswing.com appears legit. They are owned by golfstixvalueguide.com. Which buys closeout clubs and resells them at 2ndswing.com.

I did get a phone number and address in the US. I don’t have any experience with them personally but I wouldn’t be afraid to try. There prices seemed high compared to other legit outlets like rockbottomgolf.com, though.

If it’s a front, it’s a fairly elaborate one.

Registrant:
Golf Stix, Inc.
2420 E Hennepin Ave
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55413
United States

Domain Name: 2NDSWING.COM
Created on: 23-Mar-98
Expires on: 21-Mar-14
Last Updated on: 22-Mar-09

Administrative Contact:
Higgins, Russell
Golf Stix, Inc.
2420 E Hennepin Ave
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55413
United States
6123319303 Fax —

Technical Contact:
Higgins, Russell
Golf Stix, Inc.
2420 E Hennepin Ave
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55413
United States
6123319303 Fax —

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.FASTNEXT.COM
NS2.FASTNEXT.COM

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Jason M. January 1, 2010 at 11:15 am

Has anyone bought clubs from this site?
http://www.golfbidder.co.uk/golf-clubs.aspx

The company is in london but it seems to be legit

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Dave Wilkinson January 8, 2010 at 12:21 am

I bought new Callway FT irons and found them 1st class, this firm gives one 7 days sale or return which is more than enought time to check out the purchase.

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Shamir January 7, 2010 at 4:18 am

mygolfspy

Thanks for a absolutely great and informative site. i was actually looking at importing clubs to South Africa and your site has given me new insight in this matter. The company i contacted was easterntrade.com.cn. Please advise

Tx
Shamir

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TITCH January 7, 2010 at 2:06 pm

Hi all

Has any one have had dealings with lefthandedgolf.co.uk, they have a sister site righthandedgolf.co.uk. They appeat to be genuine as prices are not that cheap, but good deals are currently being offered on various irons etc. They appear to opearte out of kingswood golf and country club in surrey and seem to be a registered seller with taylormade.

Thanks

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Chris Noice January 8, 2010 at 2:52 am

I live in the UK and recently purchased a used Taylormade Rescue 09 from GlobalGolf. It arrived within three days, is in great condition for the amount I paid for it ($50) and plays exactly the same as the one I tried at my club. I would highly recommend GlobalGolf to anyone.

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mygolfspy January 11, 2010 at 7:44 am

GlobalGolf is a great place to find deals. I am glad you had a good experience with them Chris.

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Bill January 8, 2010 at 1:51 pm

I have bought a lot of golf equipment over the years thru Ebay, but (as far as I know)it has all been legit except for my recent purchase. I bought two fairway woods in a packe deal at a really “good” price. They were the Taylormade R9 3 wood and 5 wood, brand new. I got them for $168.50 with free shipping from “our oversea office”.It was a quick decision as I was really just browsing with no intentions of buying until I spotted this auction in the last minute with a low bid. The fact that the item was locatedFulton, Maryland and shipping from an “overseas ” location caught my eye after I had paid and aroused some suspension. I received the woods from China on 12/31/09 and due to some somewhat favorable weather was able to try them out on 01/01/10. I noticed that the head on the 3 wood was not locking in place and had a little play. On further examination, I found the bolt on the 3 wood was a little longer than the bolt on the 5 wood and apparently was bottoming out. I sent an email out the next day to both Talormade and the seller. The seller has not yet responded. Taylormade said both bolts should have been the same length. Iasked them if the bolts were supposed to stay in place like on the R9 driver which I already owned and they advised that they were. When I told them the bolts came completely out, they suggrsted that I take the clubs to an authorized dealer to see if they might be counterfeit. The dealer admitted that it was hard to see, but there were some differences. The headcovers were very obvious. The shaft looked authentic but it was 65 gms. instead of 70 gms. The hosel was maybe 1/16 inch shorter also. The grips were Taylormade grips but they had the alinement marks which the real club does not have since you are rotating the shaft with the adjustments you make. I sent the seller another email letting him know that I have discovered that his clubs are counterfeit and giving him 48 hours to credit my PayPal account. His 48 hours are up and I have not received any response to either of my emails as of today. In the meantime, I have found 8 other auctions on Ebay for just Talormade clubs which I am sure are from the same seller even though the email address is different for most of them. They do not receive payment through the Ebay registered email account. When the auction is over, they instruct you to pay thru an invoice to Brand Golf Store(may be associated with Brand golfclubs.com) with an email address [email protected]. What do you suggest towards getting my money back. Should I go directly to the credit card com pany or to PayPal. What else should I do about reporting them to TaylorMade, Ebay, or Law Enforsement?
PS
I actually hit the clubs pretty good on my one trip before the cold weather set in again and would not mind keeping them at a greatly reduced price. By the way, the dealer called TaylorMade and gave them the serial number. As suspected it was not in the system.

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mygolfspy January 11, 2010 at 7:46 am

Law enforcement will most likely lead to a deadend. Your best option is to get your money back from PayPal. I would call your credit card company first though…they have the most interest in taking care of you.

Hope this helps.

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Dave Wilkinson January 11, 2010 at 11:23 am

I would advise you to go into the Paypal full claim system urgently and make a total rejection of the clubs and not to debate any sort of use. Do not return them until you have a full refund plus postage and make this clear to the seller, even if he does not reply.

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Bill January 11, 2010 at 2:16 pm

I filed the complaint this AM with PayPal and checked my Email shortly after. The seller offered a refund of $100 for me to keep the clubs. I advised him to credit my PayPal account immediately and he did. I now own 2 TaylorMade R9 farway woods for $68.50 that are almost identical to the authenic clubs, but I am still trying to shut the seller down. I have found 6 other auctions that I am sure is the same seller even though the seller identification is different, TaylorMade clubs are the only ones that I have looked for, but I would bet there are others as well.

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Dave Wilkinson January 11, 2010 at 2:31 pm

Glad you’re happy, if R9′s are titanium, as I believe they are, then you can confirm this by applying a magnet to the face. If it sticks then your clubs are some sort of titanium and if you’ve not lost distance compared with your previous clubs then why not stay happy. Good luck

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Dave Wilkinson January 11, 2010 at 2:33 pm

Sorry error in last comment, if the magnet does not stick – not stick. If it sticks your clubs are steel or a steel alloy.

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Bill January 11, 2010 at 4:45 pm

If I am not mistaken, the initial R( fairway woods were stell and they are getting ready to put a titanium fairway wood. The driver is definitely titanium. The magnet did not stick. I don’t know if the titanium would be of any advantage in a fairway wood. I could not see any appreciable difference in the distance over my “ancient” Callaway Great Big Bertha fairway woods.

Dave Wilkinson January 12, 2010 at 1:12 am

The best remedy to deal with fake clubs, especially when steel heads are supplied when they should be of titanium, is to shorten the shafts immediately so that they fit into your dustbin easily. The whole concept of TM’s use of titanium is to allow a clubhead to be larger than is possible in steel. This is on because of weight saving. This allows for off-center hitting errors and any weight which is spare ( if this is a good way of putting it ) can then be used to fit adjustable cartridges into the periphary of the clubhead allowing one to adjust ball-flight characteristics. It is obvious that if a clubhead is enlarged and made of steel, it’s playing characteristics will be outside normal tolerances of club design. Anyone with a strong physique might manage such heavy clubs of course but why suffer poor paintwork and the chance of heads coming off and injuring a child. I advise you to get the TM R9 spec from their website, do a magnet and other testing ( paintwork on clubsole etc ) if they’re fake, go back and get a full refund.

Bill January 12, 2010 at 7:37 am

This horse has already been beat to death in that I discovered fairly quickly that the clubs were counterfeit. The seller never argued against it but was reluctant to offer a full refund. I have received the $100 refund which means that I own the woods for less than $35 each which, as I mentioned earlier, I was satisfied with as far as performance. After investigating further, I have learned that the R9 woods are offered in the US market only in a steelhead, which is what I have. In the Europe market, the R9 Ti heads were offered in October 2009 with a larger club head that should offer a little more distance and a higher trajectory. My thinking says any club other than the driver, maximum distance is not as important as knowing what your distance is with each club. There is some advantage though to a higher trajectory.

michal January 10, 2010 at 11:37 pm

is sunogolf.com real stuff please i need feedback

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Henry April 27, 2010 at 7:02 am

To reply to your enquiry directly – stay away from the company. My friend in HK tried to buy
from the company known address and on arrival to the address given, no such company
exists at all. On enquiry from the lobby”s security guards, there is no such company
registered in the building. Phone number in HK is non existing – no such no.

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Chris January 11, 2010 at 9:02 am

So I guess that the ProV 1′s that Suno Golf offers and claims are 2008′s and 2009′s to justify the huge price discount, are fakes??

Price was way cheap!

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michal January 11, 2010 at 5:28 pm

so steer clear from sunogolf ?

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Daniel January 12, 2010 at 7:12 am

Hi Guys

just wondering if anyone has purchased anything off the seller busibee11 on ebay he is located in the USA and has sold a lot of gear with great feedback, and he looks like a genuine seller, so just after any info thanks.

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mygolfspy January 12, 2010 at 7:43 am

Not familiar with him although by just looking it looks legit…but follow the list in the article to be absolutely sure.

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Daniel January 12, 2010 at 4:45 pm

Ok just i have bought a nike dymo driver off him and compared the head to my nike 3wood i got from my local pro shop and the driver looks perfect and feels great to hit so im sure its genuine.

so i just bought the victory red blades off him, i have heard he is decent but was just interested if anyone else on here has dealt with him.

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Lewis almaraz January 16, 2010 at 11:00 am

Anyone hear of “wowgolfclubs”. Online store selling Mizuno Mp58 clubs for less than $400 3-pw. Any comments? Fake clubs?

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Ricardo March 8, 2010 at 9:50 am

This is what I got from their customer care!!!

I 19:41:21

question what would be the major differences in the clubs against the origianls?
Ann 19:42:10

Sir,our clubs would perform the same.
I 19:42:52

and visual differences?
Ann 19:43:43

There would rarely no difference,sir
I 19:45:04

if I wanted to check them in the brand site would i be able?
Ann 19:45:52

I am afraid not,sir,to tell the truth.
I 19:46:51

you are talking about the whole club or just the head…
I 19:47:00

are the shafts “original”
Ann 19:47:46

Sir,our clubs are not 100% original but would perform the same.
I 19:49:05

ok Ann thank you very much… I won´t take more of your time…

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Mike Rocchio January 17, 2010 at 7:05 am

Golf Spy, I just ran across this website yesterday and was wondering if you were familiar with them and if they are Legit as far as Authenyic Clubs? Prices look to good to be true and I know what that usually means! These are the clubs I am looking at.

http://www.golfstockonline.com/goods-765-Cleveland+CG7+Black+Pearl+Irons.html

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Mike Rocchio January 18, 2010 at 1:09 pm

Found out GOLFSTOCKONLINE.COM is just another COUNTERFEIT operation!!! BUYER BEWARE!!!!!

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Tony January 18, 2010 at 10:13 pm

Has anyone used monstersgolf on ebay?

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peter January 22, 2010 at 2:04 am

hey guys and mygolfspy

i really need your help is tgw.com a faulty website????

also known as thegolfwarehouse.com
plz help!!!!!

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mygolfspy January 22, 2010 at 8:27 am

Hi Peter…TGW.com is legit. They have been around for years.

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kat January 26, 2010 at 2:37 pm

thank you, thank you, thank you…I almost bought a set of X22s for a great price from Suno Golf and that old adage “if it’s too good to be true…” popped into my head. I decided to investigate a bit and came across your VERY helpful information. I’ll pay full-price from a local legit dealer. thanks for the tips and help.

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Brooke February 1, 2010 at 5:34 am

So is hurricane golf have real/legit golf clubs?

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mygolfspy February 1, 2010 at 8:57 am

Yes 100% legit at HurricaneGolf.com

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John M February 1, 2010 at 11:13 pm

I was wondering if the callaway iron sets on the website link china are real? Thanks for your help.

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Duane February 2, 2010 at 3:55 pm

John, What is the website?

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Dave Wilkinson February 3, 2010 at 5:41 am

If the letter C appears in the suppliers’s country of origin then be circumspect or pay with a method granting compensation for misdescription and fraud.

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Jack Mann February 8, 2010 at 8:44 am

does this website sell gunuine clubs, they say they are sent from the OEM factory. What does this mean?

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mygolfspy February 8, 2010 at 8:52 am

I would not buy from them Jack.

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Henk Moller February 9, 2010 at 12:57 am

I am looking for second hand Titleist AP2 irons 2008 model. What would you say is a reasonable price?

On your survey on ebay and fake clubs. Were there some of the fake sales that were at a higher price, in order not to suspect that the clubs are fake. Or did the basic “to good to be true rule” apply to most cases?

Regards

Henk (South Africa)

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Dan February 9, 2010 at 6:45 pm

I just bought a set of mizuno mp68′s off of mysurbuy.com and now I very uneasy with my purchase…..what should I do…I have not recieved the clubs yet they are in the mail. How screwed am I?

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marc March 10, 2010 at 6:30 pm

Sorry to say, very screw. I spoke with their online help and see the result:

Nicole 20:21:24
welcome to our custom service! May I help you?

Nicole 20:21:27
Hi,may I help you?

I 20:21:51
how can the scotty cameron can be that low, everywhere else , they are 299

I 20:22:26
and do you have left handed

Nicole 20:22:33
I am afraid we only provide right handed products.

I 20:22:43
are they fake or what

Nicole 20:22:50
Our clubs are not from the original brand companies, but from their subcontractors. So we are able to provide such competitive price. Please don’t worry about the quality, because our clubs are made with the same technology and mould. Our supplier also provide components to the original brand comanies.

I 20:23:28
but scotty cameron dont allow any putter to be sold under 299 over the net

I 20:24:51
but if you dont have anything lefty, they are fake

I 20:25:55
hello????

Nicole 20:26:08
we only sell right-handed cubs

I 20:26:43
thank , you answer my question, i wont recommend your store to anybody

Nicole 20:27:13
that’s ok

SEE THEIR ANSWER FOR THE 20:22:43 question, 7seconds to write all off this, sound like they have a prepare response for accusation…. if you paid with paypal, open a dispute to get your money back, dont use that junk

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marc March 10, 2010 at 6:33 pm

and on their contact us page, they even made a mistake with tehir own name, Musurbuy.com US HQ

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Henk Moller February 11, 2010 at 2:26 am

Is AP Golfstore on e-bay legit?

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duane February 11, 2010 at 5:15 pm

This information has been very helpful.
I can tell you from personal experience that Golfetail/Rockbottomgolf/Globalgolf are 100 reputable and sell only genuine articles.
One only has to google “china golf” to get hundreds of hits from sites selling “genuine OEM” products – I have had many a conversation (for sport) with online ‘consultants’ trying to convince me of the value and authenticity of their products – you should try it sometime as can be fun to see them squirm in text.
One thing I can say is that with OEM equipment made mainly in China and Taiwan, it can be a challenge for the average punter without research to buy with confidence – it is only natural that we try to get cheaper gear as how many of us can actually pay retail for in the thousands for a new set of sticks, adding on extra hundreds for woods and hybrids, then money for shoes, balls and gloves etc, and then actual playing fees?!! So the offer of cheap gear on Ebay and the net is understandably attractive – we all want th best gear!!
For example – I just bought a new set of R9 irons off Ebay – they come with the 7 iron laser serial number and indicating thet the shafts are made in Taiwan, the heads in China, and assembled in China. This is what TM does now – but how can we be sure buying outside of a local pro shop of golf chain – even TM refuses to verify online purchased clubs based on serial number registration – now after checking I am certain the sticks are authentic and I am stoked as I have saved a considerable sum, but I also am very well researched.
Anyway this is not going away soon, and my message is to do your research before buying.
(note: an obvious sign of fake R9 clubs from China is when they do not offer KBS shafts which are standard – run a mile when they say no KBS!)

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Scott MacKinnon February 13, 2010 at 12:47 am

I could be another gullible stooge. I just purchased a new Titleist 909F3 3 wood from a Chinese outfit called “time to shopping” for $98.00 w/ free shipping included. too good! I’m normally very careful online. I googled them and could find nothing negative, even a few positives. I believed $100.00 under retail was possible and they use paypal. so….. I should probably be more weary of the fake club thing because some guy from FLA tried to scam me on a fake mizuno 6 iron last summer. Anyhoot, since I’ve seen yours and a few other sites I now see a lot of red flags. Anyone ever hear of this outfit? Here’s their website: They claim to be on “publich holiday” for 15 days and won’t be able to ship until then, but they took my money anyway. Lots more red flags here. This scares me…on the shipping info page “Return and partial refund
Our website cannot give a full refund for non-quality problems such as: “I didn’t realize before placing order that the items you sell are superior replica ones.”” Can this legally cover their ass under the paypal conditions?

I couldn’t really find out much online on them. I’m planning to try and call that NYC number on Monday. Thanks

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Scott March 10, 2010 at 6:59 pm

Just wanted to followup on my own posting on Feb. 13th 12:47 am post, re: “timetoshopping.com”. I pursued getting my money back through paypal and was able to stop shipment and get a refund prior to shipment. I knew I’d get stuck otherwise, w/ either the club or a return shipping fee. I was very polite but did question proceedures and demanded serial numbers prior to shipping. Of course living in Fairhaven I told them I needed to go over to the company headquarters and speak w/ someone about the legit.. of the club. This Chinese company, unfortunately still sends me email ads on other products. by the way this was not a company selling on eBay, but they do advertise as a wholeseller who will dropship directly so some eBayers may be selling there fake products. So I say avoid timetoshopping.com!!!!

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justin February 13, 2010 at 4:01 am

I noticed a comment about this site. Is their ip address from china and i also heard one reason their prices are so low because they sell clubs that have slight defects but are authentic. Is this true or bs?

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vimal February 28, 2010 at 1:16 pm

can any body tell me if golfdealonline.com is a legit seller

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marc March 1, 2010 at 1:27 pm

i would suggest you to stay away as much as possible….. they are written fake all the way…. just take a look at the price….no new Scotty cameron can go on sale on the web under 299.99…..and if you ask them, they probably dont have left handed so its a good hint that they sell fake…… and if you ask them, they will guarantee that they sell only original….. if you dont want problem, look on the website of the manufacturer and look at the list of authorized dealer, with that you dont need to worry

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Jack March 2, 2010 at 3:10 pm

What can you tell me about Discounts for Golf? A legitimate seller of OEM clubs?

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marc March 2, 2010 at 10:01 pm

Stay away from them….on the faq , they sat that their number is not operational…and the price are way to low to be real deal….a scotty cameron under 300 is surely a fake one….and you cant have lefty , so another hint…. buy from the golf warehouse( http://www.tgw.com) or golfsmith, you wont be disapointed..the price are higher but its the real deal

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Steve Jones March 12, 2010 at 7:49 pm

I think I may have just ordered some fake Callaway X-22 irons. What do you know about this site: http://www.drgolfstore.com/

Is it legit?

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marc March 13, 2010 at 12:15 pm

with the price tey post, it smell fake… if you paid with paypal open a dispute and send a note or speak with the store to cancel your transaction…..and dont accept partial refund , take full refund and report them to callaway golf, the price should be around 3 time that amount for real one

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Dave M March 21, 2010 at 8:39 pm

I recently purchased a Taylor Made 2008 Burner rescue club on ebay from golfetail. It was a brand new club and, after receiving it, I could not tell if it was a fake or not. It appears to be well made. I paid less that $100 US which was quite a deal. Golfetail sells a lot of the same single clubs on ebay – hybrids, drivers, fairway woods. That is generally a red flag for fakes. The club was shipped from a San Marco, California address. I have seen posts on this forum about golfetail being legit. Has mygolfspy confirmed this? PS – This is a great forum.

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Al D March 22, 2010 at 10:35 pm

I found cheaponlinegolf.com to offer incredible prices on Scotty Cameron on lots of other brands known to enforce a pretty strict MAP (like Ping, Titleist, Mizuno…)
Web site itself is pretty odd with areas not looking like they’re finished. Has anyone gotten any experience to confirm what I think?
Great Forum! Awesome job!

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Nash March 28, 2010 at 11:57 am

ive just purchased a set of talormade burner 09 irons 3-sw for £361 from http://www.golfshop365.com, i wish i’d have found this site 2 days ago but there you go! Just wondered if you knew anything of this site because after rewading this forum im doubting it??

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Amit April 21, 2010 at 2:29 pm

Hey Nash,
I just purchased some clubs from golfshop365 and was wondering if you received your clbs and whether they look legit?

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Thudsquid April 22, 2010 at 6:26 pm

Hey Nash have you recived your clubs yet are the genuine ?

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Nick May 16, 2010 at 1:56 am

Hi there’
Just wondering how you found your clubs from golfshop365.com. Were they authentic? Wondering whether I should order from them or not.
Cheers,
Nick

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Chris April 8, 2010 at 10:10 pm

I was looking into buying a set of titleist ap2 irons from sunogolf.com. I was wondering if anyone has heard of them. The searching I had found was mixed, some great and some bad. They have very low prices and sounds to good to be true, and probably is.

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marc April 10, 2010 at 9:56 am

Dont buy from them, is written fake all over it, if you weant to ask them, they surely wont have any left handed… and compare with golfsmit or tgw.com…the difference in the price should convice you that they are indeed fake…… if you want to pay less , try globalgolf.com for use set ( if they have one)…. but stay away from suno golf…even their tee will be fake one ( youl pay for tee, you will receive toothpick hhihihi

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Henry April 27, 2010 at 3:02 pm

Do not deal with sunogolf. It is a scam. A company trying to con buyers by establishing a co.
in Hong Kong which does not exist. My friend went to the address given in Central Hong Kong
and found the company does not exist. No one in the building has heard of such company.Be ware!

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marc April 9, 2010 at 10:27 am

Dont buy from them, is written fake all over it, if you weant to ask them, they surely wont have any left handed… and compare with golfsmit or tgw.com…the difference in the price should convice you that they are indeed fake…… if you want to pay less , try globalgolf.com for use set ( if they have one)…. but stay away from suno golf…even their tee will be fake one ( youl pay for tee, you will receive toothpick hhihihi

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Dave April 9, 2010 at 11:11 am

I am thinking of buying a set of x22 irons from http://www.golfdealonline.com any news on this website… are the legit… looks like great prices.. claim OEM?

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Greg April 14, 2010 at 12:03 pm

Wow… I was about to pulsh the button and make a huge purchase from mysurbuy.com.
Yet all along that little voice inside my head saying to do more homework wouldn’t shut up. I am so glad I found your website and within minutes I had my answer. You have just saved me a lot of money. Money that I would have blown by being scammed then having to go out and do it right the second time…. Greg

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Greg April 14, 2010 at 12:10 pm

You just saved me a ton of money with your site… Thank You. Greg

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mygolfspy April 15, 2010 at 7:43 am

Glad we could help Greg ;)

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bee April 14, 2010 at 9:48 pm

anyone have any feedback for an ebay seller “itaintpretty”? purchased some TM burner irons. i tried to confirm the serial no. but TM doesn’t confirm serial no. anymore due to legal issues. “itaintpretty” has about 15,000 feedback w/ 99% positive feedback. after seeing this site i’m concerned about the authenticity. the clubs look legit all the details look really good, but the grips do have a rubber smell to them. any suggestions or feedback on the seller would be helpful. thanks!

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joe t February 17, 2012 at 5:40 pm

any new golf club with a smell likje a rubber tire are actually fake golf clubs..anyone who sells a lot of clubs anddd it not a retailer, they can’t buy clubs that cheap form an autherized company.

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Dave April 15, 2010 at 3:03 am

Today I will be testing what I believe to be a counterfeit Scotty Cameron.

I can’t put with my real Odyssey, and don’t want to shell out £180 on the real thing. If the £70 one gets the ball in the hole, surely I should buy it?

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Al D April 15, 2010 at 8:35 am

We all want the best of both worlds, don’t we? authentic gear at bargain prices.
I wouldn’t buy irons, or driver if the web site smells funny (web-page errors, approximate English..), no customer service you can contact. Too risky that the head is “off” or shafts, loft are wrong.
There ARE reputable eBay sellers though and my recent experience buying a set of full custom Irons through a detailed fitting questionnaire was Best in class, while I did save hundreds.
Try golf-seller on eBay, one of his auctions may not get too competitive and you may save a lot while being able to customize (just know what you need and it helps). your clubs will ship from the manufacturer BTW…

Buying a Scotty Cameron at $120, I did that too and the club arrived from China as I expected. Yup, fake written all over if you look close enough, but the ball still goes straight and it is good for a second bag, or to practice .. in the garage. ;-)

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Carmen April 19, 2010 at 3:09 pm

Hi, just found this site and it is very informative. I am trying to figure out if the set of FT-ibrids I just purchased on ebay from thegolfhabit are authentic callaway irons. The 8 iron has the serial number, and also did the magnet test. Anybody purchase from this ebayer? He does have a very good seller rating. Just want to know if I’ve got the real deal or not. Thank you!

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Carmen April 19, 2010 at 3:16 pm

any one buy for ebayer …thegolfhabit? I purchased a set of FT-ibrids from him and am wondering after reading on hear if they are authentic. The 8-iron has the serial number and callaway accpeted the registration. Just wanting to make sure. Thanks

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Jim Nicholson April 21, 2010 at 5:16 pm

I was looking at buying some titleist ap2 irons from this website, but like everyone else, am questioning the sites authenticity. Does anyone know if this site is legit or should I stay away from it?

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Jim Nicholson April 21, 2010 at 5:52 pm

Does anyone know if http://www.golfwholesaleseller.com is a legit website?

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David Childs April 30, 2010 at 10:08 pm

I just made the mistake of ordering Callaway clubs from this company. When I received my invoice it showed the Chinese company deng xu:[email protected]
No mention of Golf Wholesaleseller.com SO IT IS A CHINA COMPANY AND I AM STUPID. I paid by credit card and am having trouble stopping payment. SO Beware!!!

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Cygolfing April 22, 2010 at 3:46 am

I have been checking hundreds of online golf equipment stores in the past couple weeks and used the Taylor Made site to check out the legit ones (i hope). Taylor Made have a retail locator section on their website which gives you a listing of the online stores that Taylor Made sell their products to. have been looking at ‘www.discountgolfworld.com’ (from the TM site) and I have not been able to find a legit online dealer who can beat their prices across most brands. can anyone advise me if his mob are legit.

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Cygolfing April 22, 2010 at 3:50 am

can anyone tell me if -discountgolfworld.com- is a legit site selling authentic clubs? I have found that they have the cheapest clubs on the net vs any other legit online store, with their prices not being stupid cheap where alarm bells start ringing.

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chris kaiser April 23, 2010 at 9:49 am

I purchased used mizuno mp 32 irons 3-pw from invgolf on ebay. the pictures were from a regular camera. when recieved, there was no serial # on the hosel or ferrel…what do you think?

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marty April 24, 2010 at 12:20 pm

has anyone ever dealt with the incredible golf store on ebay if so is his stuff legit?

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john April 25, 2010 at 12:43 pm

just had a chat with Ann from mysurbuy.com regarding the origin of the clubs :

Ann:
To be frank,our clubs are not from the original brand companies, but from their subcontractors. So we are able to provide such competitive price. Please don’t worry about the quality, because our clubs are made with the same technology and mould. Our supplier also provide components to the original brand comanies.

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Hack454 April 26, 2010 at 12:49 pm

I just purchased a complete set of Nike Slingshot 3,4 & 5 hybrid and 6-PW, Taylormade 2009 Burner and 3-wood, and 3 TM gloves through Ebay from Golfetail.com. The prices were in the “too good to be true” range, but I can tell you that I had them all checked out and am 99.999% sure they are the real deal, as was the pro that looked at them. We had originals in the shop to compare to, and they are identical. The TM driver has such incredible graphics in the top and little logos that we both thought would be easy to see differences if mine were fakes. I had good replies to my questions when I asked them about fakes (and other things mentioned in this article) and they have over 200,000 transactions with 99.8% rating. I would trust them and definitely buy from them again. I have played 3 rounds so far with them, and they hit beautifully. Any bad shots are MY fault :-) I thought I would share my 2 cents for anyone thinking about buying from them.

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tim flaherty April 26, 2010 at 1:31 pm

We are seeing an increase in these counterfeit clubs coming into the U.S. These clubs look so realistic, but perform so poorly. A clubmaker friend had a customer come in with some “Mizuno” iron heads, saying he got them from a source in Japan. (That should have been his first clue). The real Mizuno does not sell heads only. He had my friend shaft them and two of the clubs broke as they loft/lied the clubs(this is extremely rare, especially with forged clubs). The bore heads were irregular. These were counterfeit Mizuno irons. If the price is too good to be true, the clubs are FAKES. Even if the price is nearly the same….BEWARE….buy from a pro that can fit you on a flightscope monitor or TRACKMAN and buy direct from the factory.

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Mike Hall April 26, 2010 at 9:08 pm

Nice stie. ITs all true about buying cheap clubs. You get what you pay for. If you want the real deal, go to your local pro shop or directly to the company that makes it. The problem is most of us don’t have the money to buy the best so we buy the crap in hopes it performs like the real deal. Golf is a mind game and if you got crap in your hands… lol you play like crap… pay up and enjoy the game.

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Tony Z April 27, 2010 at 7:02 pm

Hi All, great discussion. Does anyone have experience with http://www.clubsandsticks.com/ or http://www.budgetgolf.net?

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Dan Neumann April 10, 2013 at 7:43 pm

I have purchased golf equipment from both and have had nothing but good luck with them. No problem as I can see

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Chris M. April 28, 2010 at 7:35 am

Great site with alot of information. Does anyone know if Ebay seller yo*bo (YoBo Sports & Golf ) is legit or not?

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Hack454 April 28, 2010 at 8:23 am

Do they meet the criteria of the other posts on here? Do they have a reasonable return policy in case you are not satisfied? You might try contacting them and see what kind of reply you get. Ask them some general questions about the stuff you are looking at, like if it is authentic or not, if it is a club or set of clubs ask if you can get the serial #’s off of them, and make sure to check out their feedback. If they have several negatives or if they don’t have a lot of transactions or feedback, be leery. Like I said in an earlier post, I can speak for Golfetail. I just got confirmation from Nike that my clubs are legit (full set of Slingshot hybrid/irons 3-PW), and am working on Taylormade to verify my new Burner driver and 3-wood, but I am already confident that they are legit. Good Luck!!

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Craig H May 3, 2010 at 2:07 am

http://www.mygolfpurchase.com, prices are extremely cheap and the person you can talk to can barely speak english, suspect the clubs are fake so beware everyone!

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Luis May 4, 2010 at 4:32 am

Is this site legit, can I trust them, because the sites I trust(http://www.onlinegolf.co.uk/ ) they don’t sell Ping.
Thank you

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Luis May 4, 2010 at 9:08 am

Is this site legit(http://www.clubhousegolf.co.uk), can I trust them, because the sites I trust(http://www.onlinegolf.co.uk/ ) they don’t sell Ping.
Thank you

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waybe May 7, 2010 at 3:31 pm

What’s with this Suno discount wholesale golf store.
Are they fakes?
Thanks

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Mike Hall May 7, 2010 at 7:45 pm

fake….

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mike May 11, 2010 at 6:32 pm

FAKES!!! BEWARE!!

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henry May 8, 2010 at 2:04 am

revert to earlier comments I have given. Definitely a scam ! You will receive fake products
from sunogolf. Ground research has found address given is fictitious.

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jw May 8, 2010 at 4:03 pm

Hi! Great information! Thanks! Though I wish I saw it a bit earlier, as I bought a set of mx200s off ebay. It wasnt drastically cheaper than retail, but substantial. The physical signs seem good, but I’m still afraid. I can’t tell particular differences between the club and the factory pictures. However, there are serial numbers on the hosel of the clubs, but for some reason, the 4 iron is a different number. Now, it could be possible that this one was leftover stock, and the 4 iron was mixed from another set… the seller does not have many iron sets for sale, primarily hybrids and drivers, from mizuno and cobra brands, along with golf accessories… I know I could check the serial with Mizuno (and will, come monday), but I’ve also heard some fakes put serials on the clubs from genuine items… any suggestions?

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DontDrinkTheKoolAid May 10, 2010 at 6:08 am

Im not buying this. Look at those clubs in the photo. Whats the difference. Go play them and have a great time on the course, no? The manufacturers are obviously letting this slip for brand placement, similar to a billboard or a pay-per-impression campaign. The more clubs they can get out on the market, means their brand has a larger market share. And again, just because a serial number doesnt “check out” with an American manufacturer doesnt mean it’s “FAKE” For example Mizuno (USA) only serializes their clubs when they reach the USA. None of their clubs are made here. So if it doesnt have an American serial number, that doesnt make it fake. There are no laws against buying products on the open market, at least in the USA. I mean, if I just bought a dodge charger and my friend pulled up to me, in a dodge charger with no labels that he bought that way…. I would have to think Dodge played a part in selling some of those parts bin. Maybe Im wrong, but the picture is what I am basing this off.

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DontDrinkTheKoolAid May 10, 2010 at 12:10 pm

Thats not to say there arent fakes! Stuff breaking apart and all that…..fake. Like I said base the decision on how the club plays. It might be a way to get a premium product for a discount price. More Americans of all tax brackets can play the item was my theory. Like I said…. I could clearly be wrong , just my opinion

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George May 11, 2010 at 6:37 am

Does anybody know anything about BHMgolf.com? I am looking at a new iron set and saw the Callaway’s X20′s for 299.99. That is the same price on some of the fake sites like golfwholesale18 and golfbargainoffers. It seems legit. Says they are out of Chicago.

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Hack454 May 11, 2010 at 8:40 am

I would be very careful. They may be legit, and some of this is older info so they may have changed their ways, but check out their Better Businesss Bureau report: (just cut and paste this link into your browser)

http://www.bbb.org/chicago/business-reviews/golf-equipment-and-supplies-retail/bhm-golf-in-villa-park-il-28003382

I would definitely call their customer service people and ask a bunch of questions before I threw down 3 bills + shipping with them.

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George May 11, 2010 at 8:52 am

Thanks Hack454, I did some exploring on my own and found a forum with nothing but bad things about that company. Sounds like they don’t have there s**t together. I found the same clubs on Hurricanegolf for only 40 bucks more and from what I have read Hurricane seems to be a legit company.

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George May 11, 2010 at 9:56 am

What is the best way to find out if someone is legit on EBAY? I have bought numerous things on there but nothing as expensive or as important as new clubs. There are two sellers selling the same clubs, only a few dollars apart and their pages seem VERY similar. They are both in California but have great ratings, 99.9 and 99.8. Has anyone bought from these two or know if they are selling legit clubs. howdyahearaboutit and itaintpretty. Any info would be greatly appreciated. This site has already saved me from a couple sites!!

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a2z May 11, 2010 at 10:53 am

i purchased some taylormade burner irons from “itaintpretty” about a month ago.

if they’re knock-offs they’re really good. using the stuff i read on this page, i feel relatively comfortable these clubs are legit. but, then again, what do i know. i’ve used them at the range & on course and they’ve felt pretty good. having said that taylormade will NOT confirm serial numbers anymore, so what they’re saying is that there is no way to know if these are authentic.

if you want to remove any doubts, go to an authorized dealer. the next time i buy clubs, that’s what i will be doing…

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Nick May 11, 2010 at 10:54 am

Just bought a new FT-iZ off of eBay dealer proshop-JJ. (9000+ sells and 99.8% positive feedback). Club looks good in comparison to one at the proshop, and serial number check out. However headcover doesn’t fit anywhere near like the one at the proshop. Anybody have any dealings with this seller?

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ryan June 21, 2010 at 11:02 am

Nick,
Did you ever get an official word on the driver?
I just bought a set of clubs off the same guy and am worried…I ordered them and haven’t yet received them.

Please let me know.
Thanks,
Ryan

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schaffer84 September 23, 2010 at 11:14 am

Hey Nick:

proshop-JJ sells FAKE golf equipment! I’m sorry to tell you but I know this for a fact!

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ryan September 23, 2010 at 12:32 pm

What makes you so sure?

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ryan February 21, 2011 at 10:45 am

Nick,
How do you know ProshopJJ sells fakes?

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David Couvillon May 11, 2010 at 12:58 pm

I’ve just spent 20 minutes going through this excellent discussion. What it needs is a listing of wht GolfSpy says are websites for obtaining legitimate used clubs. As I’ve read, those sites are:

http://www.rockbottomgolf.com
http://www.stores.ebay.com/proshopjj
http://www.3balls.com
http://www.golfonline.co.uk
http://www.globalgolf.com
http://www.golfetail.com

I have not done business with any of the above, nor do I recommend any of them. This listing is just a compilation from the comments section of this article.

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marc May 11, 2010 at 1:16 pm

I did business with 3balls and i recommend it…. bought several club and never disapointed

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George May 11, 2010 at 6:24 pm

I just purchased the Callaway X20 irons from http://www.hurricanegolf.com and received an email right away with reference numbers and order information. They seem very legit and should be added to that list in my opinion.

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mygolfspy May 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm

HuricaneGolf is legit…they are a great group of guys.

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George May 12, 2010 at 4:15 am

Are they guys at HurricaneGolf associated with Diamond Tour Golf somehow?

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Bob M. May 12, 2010 at 1:03 pm

Anybody know anything about some of these outfits that actually make “clones” or custom clubs. Pinemeadowgolf.com is one company that does this and I have read their website extensively. I am considering buying a driver from them. MYGOLFSPY, can you put your two cents in please? Thanks

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mygolfspy May 12, 2010 at 6:25 pm

If you are to buy clones the only 2 companies I would deal with are Diamondtour.com & PinemeadowGolf.com. They both have superb customer service for component companies and have been around since the mid 90′s. They have both improved their quality with the edge going to Diamondtour.com. They have more fitting choices and more knowledgeable staff to fit you from my experience.

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captcouv July 12, 2010 at 11:54 am

Because of this article, I went to Diamond Tour and looked over their wares, as well as spoke to several of their staff…And, I bought a set of irons from them. Here is my assessment of the clubs that I posted on their website:

Ordered a set of the Tour Response 950s (Cleveland CG7 clones) the day they were available. They came in on Saturday (while I was out of town…).

1 x Tour Response 950 4-PW RH Golf Clubs
- Club Length: Mens Standard
- Select Shaft: DT Ultralite Steel
- Lie Adjustment: None
- Select Flex: Regular
- Select Grip: Golf Pride Tour Wrap
- Grip Size: Standard

They LOOK beautiful! Great color on the heads and the inserts in the cavities really set ‘em off.

Due to weather and work, I haven’t been able to take ‘em out to the range or course yet. I was able to hit about 50 balls apiece with the 7 and 5 irons into a net in my back yard.

It was a rainy/wet day, but the Golf Pride Tour grips were excellent. Great feel, good tackiness – even when wet. No slip during all of my swings.

The clubs did feel stiff on contact (using a variety of balls from my ball bag – ‘rocks’ to Pro V1s). Kinda’ like hitting yardstick against the table. Contact elicited a ‘crack’ sound, and a definite connect feel in the hands. Reminiscent of hitting a rock with a wooden baseball bat. Clubs had an easy weight in the swing. Couldn’t check my control or length of the shot since I was hitting into a net; however, it did appear that the ball was launching higher than normal for me.

More to come after I get them on a range and course.

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OK – as stated, some more feedback after 36 holes.

I really like the clubs. I’m seeing about 10 yards additional distance with each club over my previous set (RAM Tours). And, I’m getting a higher launch point (stopped a 166yd 6 iron dead on the green – I NEVER do that. OK, ok… the green was soft, but STILL!).

From my previous post, I’m not noticing the ‘crack’ noise any longer, but the irons still feel stiff on contact. Regardless, I’m finding that my iron shots are not doing any slices/fades or draws/hooks. Generally the ball takes a nice straight path, club to landing… (though I’m still susceptible to pushes and pulls). So far, I’m have a difficult time making full swing fades or draws, but can pull ‘em off if I do it as a punch shot.

I REALLY like the white lines in the grooves on the club head. Can easily tell when the grooves have dirt/grass in them and need to be cleaned. Admittedly, I don’t brush the head after every shot. I have noticed that the soles of the heads do show marks (i.e. scratching), but I really don’t care about appearance – I want function! And, I’m getting it with these clubs.

I had noted that the grips (Golf Pride Tour Wraps) had worked well while wet. Well that was – water wet. Yesterday was 98 degrees with 91% humidity. About the the 13th hole, my hands started to sweat profusely (I usually play without a glove) and I began to have a hard time holding onto the club – I had to put on a glove to finish the round.

While I’m at it, I had also secured a Diamond Tour 56 degree Inazone DT15 wedge which is working tremendously well. Lot’s of spin – good bounce off of multiple surfaces, great swing weight and good shaft action.

I’ll also have to mention that the staff at Diamond Tour has been fantastic in working with me. Personable, interested and helpful with targeted suggestions. I’ll be back and I’ll recommend to others!

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George May 12, 2010 at 6:53 pm

Is hurricanegolf affiliated with diamondtour? They have the same address in IL

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mygolfspy May 12, 2010 at 6:55 pm

Same ownership but different businesses. The Hurricane site is similar to RockBottom and then they have their component business.

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Charles May 16, 2010 at 11:03 am

Is anyone used this below website to order clubs from them? They claim that they sell “Authentic” clubs but I want to know for sure. I am looking for some PING irons and they sell these at a lower price than in the shop. Is anyone has any info about this web site please let me know. http://www.golfshop365.com/ping-rapture-v2-irons-steel-shaft-

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marc May 17, 2010 at 10:39 am

They are fake, stay away from them…. they promote a Studio select Newport and its aphoto of the studio style… and no way they can sell a scotty at 209.99 new when they cant sell it under 299.99 everywhere else…. Like they said, if its too good to be true, because it is… Pay a little more and buy them from tgw.com or golfsmith.com… at lest you know they are legit and surely will be on Ping web site as authorized dealer… Try to gfind golfshop365 pn any manufacturer website

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Bob M. May 17, 2010 at 8:52 am

Thanks for the response Mygolfspy. Here is another one for you as I am trying to decide on a new driver. There is a dealer on eBay that has great feedback. He is masterblaster1959. He sells this club among some others, let me know what ya think please?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330346428838&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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Brian D. May 18, 2010 at 12:36 pm

I found another website that seems to be just another scam. I called Calloway to confirm the Calloway FT-IZ driver listed on the website http://www.golfclubsoff.com was legit and was told the website is listed as a counterfeiter of clubs. Also another website that looks alot like the Golf Clubs Off site is golfbigdiscount.com. Stay away

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Hack454 May 18, 2010 at 1:25 pm

Right on Brian! I just checked those 2 sites out, and they have some excellent examples of what to look for that should throw some red flags for you. Top of the page in the center is a McAfee security symbol. That should be updated every day if they are legit, and it shows on both sites “Tested 12-Sept”. That was apparently when they ripped off the logo from somewhere else to make their website. Speaking of security, notice that when you go to the page that asks you to put in most of your personal information that it is NOT secure. Who knows what is happening to your information? Some guy in South Korea just became YOU! Try to get THAT fixed! ID theft SUCKS!! I know. Throughout the site you can see very poor grammer and use of the English language as we speak is not quite right. They don’t charge sales tax in any state – the only way to get away with that is to not be located in the US. Otherwise, you at least have to charge sales tax in the state in which your company is located. They have a currency converter in the lower right corner – why??? So they can rip off people around the world?? Why didn’t I think of that?!? And they have broken links – FAQ’s gives a 404 error-page not found. But there are signs that they tried to fix it – they send you back to the order catalog!! I would stay far, far away from these people. They are far, far away from US!!

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Tim Flaherty May 18, 2010 at 12:42 pm

Buy American Made and buy direct.

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Hack454 May 18, 2010 at 1:02 pm

Sorry Tim, but as good as that sounds, it is not that easy. Since most of our golf equipment is made overseas, then buying American is not always 100% possible. But – if you buy from a company that is here in the US then you are at least on the right track! I wish we could buy American made equipment, but that new Taylor Made driver you want? How about $850. New Nike iron set? $3,200. There is something to be said for cheap labor in fulfilling our American thirst for products, but it also opens the doors for problems like we are discussing here. Let’s at least try to keep as much of our hard earned money here in the US where it belongs, and give our business to legitimate companies that are doing what they can to support that, not trying to rip us off with cheap imitations.

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Phil May 18, 2010 at 4:42 pm

anyone heard of mygopurchase.com. website is cheap especially callaway. Are they genuine.

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bbarue May 19, 2010 at 7:53 pm

I thank all of the people who have provided very important information here. Like many, I was about to push the button and buy a set of rediculously low priced clubs on an online website that looks very good to the eye. Something told me beware immediately and I found myself here.

I bought a set of Pings from TGW a few weeks ago in thier clearance section at a very nice price. Of course the set is over a year old. I think one identifier that the clubs were legit was that the factory invite that asks you to register the clubs and join the ping family that is tied to the handle directly. Not to mention the care in packaging.

I am going to pass this information on to friends, as I imagine just in the circle I know, much $ is at stake,

I now have an order coming to one of the reputable sites verified by mygolfspy. I thank you much for that.

I love the clubs.

Thanks all

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Hack454 May 20, 2010 at 10:01 am

Love your screen name! Oh Billy Billy Billy……….

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ESE May 24, 2010 at 8:41 am

I am wondering if buying clubs off of amazon.com is a possibility or if it would run in to the same problems as ebay?

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Anthony May 27, 2010 at 10:01 am

I’ve been looking into purchasing some Ping G15 irons. I figured online would be the place to find the best prices. I simply did a google search for Ping G15 Irons and on the sidebar had numerous hits for brand new iron sets priced at $369.99, and $389.99. It seemed to good to be true so I started doing a little homework. That’s where I found this thread. Anyway, I found that golfdealonline.com, discountgolf18.com, and golfsuperstoreonline.com all have the same contact number of (919)228-9899. When I called I just got a message saying “the subscriber you are trying to reach…”. Not trying to say their fake, but if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then its probably a duck. I know it hurts to go to the big guys and pay the extra cash, but better safe than sorry.

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jayme July 7, 2010 at 2:47 pm

dont ever buy from them we get completely ripped off!!!!! the sales person told us they were real they have serial # and had pings sticker that said to register go here and had pings webstie address!!!! (my friend has g10 irons and they are twins we could not tell they were fake!!!) so we sold them on ebay and now we are screwed!!!! please never buy their clubs

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rc May 27, 2010 at 10:55 am

Wondered if a golf spy could comment on hireko golf. They seem ligit as they have been cited in Golf Digest but I did not know how they compared to the bigger names in golf.

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mygolfspy May 27, 2010 at 10:59 am

What would you like to know about Hireko RC? Be happy to help.

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wayne May 30, 2010 at 5:29 am

is this a legit website, http://www.golfonline.co.uk……... don’t want to get stung! please help

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speedo June 2, 2010 at 2:13 pm

I ordered some Callaway X-22s on May 23 from Golfwholesale18.com. Received confirmation following day from Chinese company which arroused my suspicions. Subsequently emailed Callaway directly and received confirmation that this company deals in counterfeit products. I’ve disputed the charge with my cc company and am awaiting resolution

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Brian Dorsey June 3, 2010 at 5:15 pm

speedo,

I also am disputing the charge to my credit card company, but I had to send in the club to Callaway to get the officail letter stating it was a fake club. Callaway tcalled today and told me that the club I received was a one piece metal head which should not be that way if it were a real FT-IZ driver. I could have told them that just by the sound it made when I hit it. Sounded like an empty tea kettle! Anyway, my credit card company would not let me dispute it unless I had received the club and had an offical letter stating it was a fake.

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tommy June 3, 2010 at 8:46 pm

i would like to know any thing about a site i think they are fake? http://www.golfsuperstoreonline.com are they fake?

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nick phillips June 6, 2010 at 7:08 pm

i was checking this site out and was real close to buying and then decided to research it first.. anyone got any comments or any info about it..it has to be fake with prices as low as they have them mp 68′s for like 330$

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Terry Nuzum June 7, 2010 at 12:17 pm

Anyone ever bought any clubs from uesgolf.com?

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Dan June 10, 2010 at 6:15 pm

Has anyone heard or dealt with mygolfwholesale out of Chicago? They state that all their clubs come from OEM’s. I was looking at the new Taylor superfast Burner Drivers and fairway woods. After reading some of these posts I will probably spend the extra $200 for them at my local golf shop. I guess the old saying, that if it is to good to be true it probably is, goes a long way here.

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Simon Goddard June 11, 2010 at 5:52 am

Also a fake site. So nearly bought some clubs before finding this topic.

Thanks Golfspy.

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mr T June 11, 2010 at 9:09 pm

has anyone bought from a site call “linkchina.com” really cheap complete sets with bag and all.

i assume they are fakes ?

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IONRED July 27, 2010 at 7:59 pm

DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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chris June 13, 2010 at 11:29 pm

ok guys need some advice and some professional know how….so i found this site that i didnt see in any of the comments above. http://www.golfwholesaleseller.com . looks fishy. poor grammar and all but would like to know what someone else’s thouhgts were. thanks for all the help.

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Rod June 14, 2010 at 7:32 pm

Almost all of these site have the same contact phone # 919-228-9899
Google this number and most of the site list here will show up
Same scam dif sites

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MarcDucey June 14, 2010 at 7:58 pm

Hey Guys,

I kind of stumbled upon this post and saw you mentioned GolfEtail.com a few times so though I would chime in. I am Marc Ducey, Co-Founder of GolfEtail. I personally guarantee EVERYTHING we sell is 100% genuine and authentic. Like someone above commented, our ‘sweet spot’ is getting closeouts, overstocks, and liquidation goods that we can sell at significant discounts. But rest assured we only buy direct from manufacturers or from other suppliers that we know have the real goods.

We do try our best to make everyone happy. Obviously that is a tall goal, and we are not perfect, but I dare say there is only a very very small minority is unhappy at the end of the day. We didn’t get to be a Top Rated Seller with over 225,000 positive feedback on eBay with only words, it’s your comments that got us there.

If you ever need to reach us, we can be reached at 877-570-4653, and for those that have called you probably know Mike. For those that havew not called us before, Mike is our Customer Service Manager.

Anyway, keep in touch, and feel free to call us with any questions or concerns you might have.

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Henry June 15, 2010 at 11:28 pm

Hey MarcDucey,

As the recent purchaser of several golf items from your website, save and except some administrative mess-up that need some flexibility and adjustment to meet international purchasers like me, the goods delivered are of high and genuine quality.I do not hesitate to recommend purchasers world wide to put trust in your goods sold and warranted.

I am from Malaysia, world apart from US but if only you all there can adapt your purchase procedure to meet all round international needs of a country, buying from Golfetail can be enjoyable and fun especially when you are at the knife-edge bidding for the best price against the world at large.
, knowing after a winning bid, you will get the genuine products.

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Brian January 4, 2011 at 6:12 pm

After purchasing Callaway X-22 irons from GolfEtail via eBay, then reading these posts/comments, I started to feel a little uneasy. However, after a successful register on Callaway’s website and careful inspection of the clubs, not to mention a legit U.S. based URL and shipping site, my fears were kicked to the curb. The only illegitimate thing to mention is my game being in hiatus for 6 yrs. due to parenthood. Just wanted to pass the word that GolfEtail can be trusted as a reliable source for authentic clubs. Most of their negative eBay feedback are from buyers with less than 10 positive ratings, whining about shipping, while true complaints/grieviances are reconciliated. Thanks GolfEtail for a happy ending!

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Bob M. June 15, 2010 at 6:02 am

OK so a follow up on Diamond Tour Golf which makes “Clones” NOT imitations or fakes. Clones are made in the same image, likeness, material, specifications, etc. as the Brand name clubs. They are therefore made to have the same performance as the name brands. BUT they are extremely less costly than the brand names. They DO NOT pretend to be the brand names and although the have the same shape and characteristics they actually carry their own names. OK so much for describing the difference between fakes and clones. In case anyone is interested I recently purchased 3 hybrids from them: a 3, 4, and 5, and I will say that they are terrific in quality of workmanship, looks, and performance. Because of that experience I have since purchased a putter which is a “clone” on the Odessy Ice. And AGAIN the same quality and performance for about less than half the price. Customer service is extremely friendly, helpful, and efficient. Clubs are built to your specs including length, flex, shaft, and grip preference in 3 days and I received them in 7 days total from when order was placed. I know I probably sound like a representative but I assure I am just a customer. Back on May 17th I asked Goldspy a question about this company and they were good enough to respond, so I thought I would write a follow up from a real customer with a real world experience. I will slowly replace all of my clubs via Diamond Tour. Hope this helped someone. Clubs can be ordered via the web also, which is what I did.

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mygolfspy June 15, 2010 at 6:51 am

If clones are the market you are looking into they are the best in that market for sure Bob.

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Mike June 20, 2010 at 11:26 am

Hi…I found a good deal on a set of Taylormade R9 irons on http://www.golfbestdiscount.com …any advice on this website? Are these fakes?

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Brian Dorsey June 21, 2010 at 6:41 am

Don’t buy from this site. First red flag is there is only an e-mail to contact the seller. no phone number or address. Secone you can’t click on the Mcfee site adviser at the bottom of the webpage. you should be able to click on it if it were legitimate. Counterfiet sellers copy the icon to their webpage, but it doesn’t work like it is suppose too. I have a fake club sitting right here next to the computer desk that i bought a month ago. the things I just described to you are what i wish I had known beofre I bought it. Still waiting on the credit card company to refund my money. Here is the final giveaway. Under the conditions of use, the line says

“Unless otherwise noted, all Contents are copyrights, trademarks, trade dress and/or other intellectual property owned, controlled or licensed by Golfskydiscount,Inc. or by third parties who have licensed their materials to Golfskydiscount,Inc. and are protected by China and international copyright laws. The compilation (meaning the collection, arrangement, and assembly) of all Contents on this site is the exclusive property of Golfskydiscount,Inc. and is also protected by China and its international copyright laws.” Notice the word China!

Also read the disclaimer

“Disclaimer

This site is provided on an “as is” and “as available” basis. Golfskydiscount,Inc. makes no representations or warranties of any kind, expressed or implied, as to the operation of the site or the information, content, materials, or products included on this site. To the full extent permissible by applicable law, Golfskydiscount,Inc. disclaims all warranties, expressed or implied, including, but not limited to, implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose. Without limiting the foregoing, Golfskydiscount,Inc. disclaims any and all warranties, expressed or implied, for any merchandise offered on this site. You acknowledge, by your use of the Golfskydiscount,Inc. web site, that your use of the site is at your sole risk. This disclaimer does not apply to any product warranty offered by the manufacturer of the item. This disclaimer constitutes an essential part of this agreement.”

Golf comapnies do have thier equipment made in China, but they almostb always have them assembled in the U.S. Becuase they make thier stuff in China, the molds get stolen out the back door along with stickers and such. The difference is the counterfiters use inferior materials in the molds. Callaway told me my supposed FT-IZ is made out of piece of metal. Not titanium either like it is suppose to be. No composite materials. The club is noticably heavy becuase of this. Shaft is also not graphite. Save your money or you will be sorry. Go to a legit store and pay the price to get what you want and don’t end up with a $180.00 paperweight.

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Mike June 21, 2010 at 12:22 pm

As a followup note from the original post…I have confirmed that this website sells fakes. A friend of mine purchased a Scotty Cameron from http://www.golfbestdiscount.com for $129. After seeing the great deals they had, I got suspicious and brought the Scotty into the local pro shop. Upon speaking with the PGA pro and doing a side by side comparison, the counterfeit club is extremely apparent. For example, the counterfeit has a different groove pattern, different color head, the ‘T’ in titleist is not crossed, etc. etc….This being said, he has own the club for months without noticing the difference.

Do not purchase from this website!

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Stan June 23, 2010 at 8:07 am

I was looking at some irons at easybuygolf.com and they don’t offer the standard shaft or lefty clubs on most the items I looked at. Terrible english etc. Looks fake and I’ve seen other forums that claim their clubs are fakes, so beware of that site!

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Mike June 23, 2010 at 2:28 pm

Is golf storeshop.com an official site or do they sell fakes?

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Fergal June 27, 2010 at 9:03 pm

I think we can safelf add http://www.golfclubsseller.com and http://shoponlinewholesaler.com/ to the list of fake sites. I “purchased” a set of Mizuno mp 52 from golfclubseller and got a reply from shoponlinewholesaler. A quick check of their ip addresses confirmed that they are chinese companies set up in 2009.

Does anyone know any ways to dispute the payments?

Read the “live help” response I got for a laugh:

Sunny 13:21:11
Welcome to our site!How can I help you?
Me 13:21:23
Is your wesbite a scam?
Sunny 13:21:25
hello, may i help you ?
Me 13:21:47
Is your wesbite a scam?
Me 13:22:22
hello
Sunny 13:22:48
no
Me 13:24:01
where is your company based?
Sunny 13:24:27
USA
Me 13:25:08
If you have already paid for clubs how do you get a refund
Sunny 13:25:57
cancel order
Sunny 13:26:07
and we will refund you
Me 13:27:15
I have searched your ip adress and it shows these details:
Domain Name : golfclubsseller.com PunnyCode : GOLFCLUBSSELLER.COM Creation Date : 2009-11-18 10:33:58 Updated Date : 2009-11-18 10:33:58 Expiration Date : 2010-11-18 10:33:32 Registrant: Organization : xiangrui Name : yangyun Address : chongqing City : shixiaqu Province/State : chongqingshi Country : china Postal Code : 400000 Administrative Contact: Name : yangyun Organization : xiangrui Address : chongqing City : shixiaqu Province/State : chongqingshi Country : china Postal Code : 400000 Phone Number : 86-023-14594119 Fax : 86-023-14594119 Email : [email protected] Technical Contact: Name : yangyun Organization : xiangrui Address : chongqing City : shixiaqu Province/State : chongqingshi Country : china Postal Code
Me 13:27:27
can you please explain this to me
Me 13:28:40
hello?
Me 13:29:42
sunny

Thanks for your consultation! Bye!

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Patrick June 28, 2010 at 12:13 pm

Anyone had any dealings with garagesalegolf on ebay? They have 100% over the past 12 months with 4700+ transactions overall. Completed transaction before finding this site but haven’t received clubs yet. Once I do if I see anything suspicious I will be going through PayPal to resolve it fully. Thanks in advance!

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Schmidty July 6, 2010 at 9:26 am

@ Patrick,

I just recently purchased an ’08 Cobra Speed LD F Fairway 3 wood from garagesalegolf and I was satisfied with my experience. Good communication from the seller, and the club came in a well padded box, unlike other stores I’ve bought from that simply throw the club in the box without any bubble wrap. No reason to suspect that the club I bought is a counterfeit, especially considering the great distance I’m getting off the tee since using it. If it’s a fake, then I’d love to see how far I could hit a legit club lol. I would be interested to hear your experience with them as well as any other people that have bought from garagesalegolf.

Hope this helps,
Schmidty

P.S. The other store I was referring to was “timetheputterman”. No problem with the club but their customer service isn’t that great and they don’t take great care in their packaging. I would not recommend.

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Schmidty July 6, 2010 at 12:07 pm

@ Patrick,

I recently bought an ’08 Cobra Speed LD F Fairway 3 Wood from garagesalesgolf and I was very pleased with their service. Good communication and they packaged up my club with care, using plenty of bubble wrap as padding. I say this because I’ve bought from other eBay shops that simply toss the club in the box with no padding and ship it off (and they wonder why they get complaints about damaged clubs).

I have no reason to believe this club is a clone or counterfeit, especially given the amazing distance I’m getting off the tee with it. If it’s a fake, I’d love to see how far I could hit the real thing. I would definitely buy from them again. I don’t think you have to worry. They seem like a legit operation. I’d love to hear others’ experience with this shop, and if mygolfspy has any comments on it.

Hope this helps,
Schmidty

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Patrick July 18, 2010 at 11:25 am

Thanks for the reply Schmidty. My clubs arrived in great shape and I had actually talked to one of the guys at the shop at garagesalegolf before they shipped as I had inquired about a speedier shipment and they called me to try to rush it out (I ended up choosing the normal route which still arrived a couple of days faster than I thought it would).
I am a lefty so maybe this protects me a little, but the response to garagesalegolf on ebay is extremely positive and I felt very good about them for that reason. I bought a set of ’09 X-Forged with 6.0 shafts and a local Callaway shop has already confirmed they are real. I guess these guys get them locally since they are close to the manufacturer…not sure. I didn’t get a ridiculous price but saved a couple hundred which of course I put to good use at a local shop on a used driver.

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Tom Debo June 29, 2010 at 3:17 pm

Has anyone used Golf Stock Online (golfstockonline.com), they have a very good price on Callaway X-24 irons.

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Got Duped November 15, 2010 at 10:34 pm

dont buy from them!!!!!!!!!!!!! they are counterfeit and fake and wont deliver all your order!!

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David July 2, 2010 at 8:04 am

I recently bought a set of Ping G25 irons from golfdealonline.com and I think they may be fake. I only paid $389. How can I gell if the site is legit or my clubs are fake? What recourse do I have?

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peter July 7, 2010 at 4:12 pm

I bought a taylormade superfast driver from golfwholesalesellers.com It came with a fubuki shaft. How do I tell if it is real?

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drock20 July 7, 2010 at 6:49 pm

I just purchased a set of x-22 irons on ebay from a seller named tim theputterman on ebay. According to to him, he guarantees his stuff to be authentic but now after reading all these posts i’m starting to worry that these clubs are fake. He does have a great seller rating. Has anyone ever purchased from him? I haven’t received them yet. i’m planning on checking for a serial number and calling callaway to see if the number matches the set. Just wondering if you have heard of this guy? The other weird thing is that he is based out of Florida but my package was shipped from Alabama. This is concerning.

Also.. i paid around 350 for the set

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peter July 8, 2010 at 3:57 pm

golfwholesaleseller.com told me that they use oem products. the club didn’t actually come from Taylormade but was made with parts. I finally got half my money back and kept the club. I like the driver but I would not buy from them anymore.

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Jeff July 10, 2010 at 5:16 pm

I made the mistake of purchasing a set of Callaway X-22 irons from golfstoreshop.com. They are obvious fakes. The heads are fake, the shafts are fake (much too light flex), and the grips are fake. I found a summary by someone of what the key attributes of the fakes are and the clubs I got fit these to a T. The quality is way below that of the real irons, there is no comparison. Does anyone have any information on this company? They are not even responding to my emails now, though they have a 7 day return policy. I paid using PayPal, which appears to be doing nothing at all for me, and AMEX. I have hope that they will get my money back, we shall see.

Looking at the X-22 irons on Ebay, it appears to me that a whole bunch of them are almost certainly fakes. PayPal and Ebay provide no protection at all if you deal with these sellers, be fully aware of that!!! They are both directly enabling these fraudulent operations as far as I can tell. It’s money for them, that is the simple bottom line, and they don’t really care about fraud.

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akpipelayers July 12, 2010 at 11:09 pm

Do you know anything about sunogolf.com? My buddy just bought a set of Mizuno MX-200 and the colors look awful.Thanks

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T Clerkson July 14, 2010 at 1:34 pm

I have bought a number of clubs from various ebay sites and haven’t been ripped off yet. I am a lefty, which makes me feel more confident as it is my understanding that counterfeiters don’t make left handed clubs because lefties make up such a small segment of the market. Can anyone comfirm this? Has anyone ever seen a fake left handed club?
Thanks

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Jeff July 17, 2010 at 7:15 pm

None of the counterfeit web sites that I have looked at offer left-handed clubs, no. One basic thing to keep in mind is that if you do not purchase from an authorized Internet dealer, the manufacturer may not honor its warranty on new clubs. Callaway definitely does not, as they have a prominent list of their authorized Internet dealers on their web site. Discountgolfworld.com has some great prices on at least some Callaway clubs, and their service is no less than fantastic.

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Will November 3, 2010 at 2:23 pm

I got a great deal from discountgolfworld.com and they are an Internet Authorized Dealer to boot. I called both Taylormade and Callaway to confirm. I will be buying again from them this holiday season. I hope they have some great holiday specials for I have several golfers in my family.

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Robert July 19, 2010 at 7:00 am

Do not buy golf equipment at http://www.golfbestdiscount.com ,I bought a Ping G15 driver and only paid $180.00 for it. That should have been my first clue. My second clue should have been that the company was based in China. Thirdly, they had no contact phone number. When my club pro put it beside an original Ping G15 every font and color was different throughout the entire club. I mailed it back May 20th and have yet to see my card credited as of 7-19-10.

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Bobby Hayes July 21, 2010 at 7:25 pm

anyone know anything about 1fore1, a seller on ebay? he has pretty good deals. about to buy a set of r9 irons reg steel for 539.00. hope they are real. will buy from him for good now with his prices on taylormade products

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Tyrone July 22, 2010 at 2:28 am

Dear all,

Does anyone know anything about golfsuperstoreonline.com and bagbuy.com. Would appreciate your help. Thanks!

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Kevin July 24, 2010 at 6:55 am

These fake sites exist because there are a lot of golfers who want the prestige of having the name brand club in there bag but don’t want to pay the price sowhy are we surprised these sites are out there. I never understood why so many mid to high handicap player’s who play once or twice a week would justify paying the outrageous price that is being charged for these club. I know because we have these guys in my league. They pay $500 for a driver, $1000 for a set of irons, $200 a piece for the woods or hybrid…we are looking at $2000 for a name brand set (and proudly wave them around to the ohs and ahs of others) and in the end they are hitting the same scores as me with my clones (not knockoffs). If the name brand companies would just charge a reasonable price for their goods than the knockoffs and clones would not exist but that’s another story. I know I will hear all about the R&D blah blah but in the end all this technology doesn’t make up for the fact that the problem would be better addressed by paying $500 for clubs, $500 for lessons and $1000 on golfing more. So those of you worried that you may get ripped off by one of these sites need to take a step back and ask yourself, do I really need the name brand if I can only afford to pay the $500 these sites are charging and if so you must realize you usually get what you pay for so. If you can only afford $500 (and IMHO that’s all most average golfers should spend) find yourself a nice clone maker who will back their product with a warranty and you will not have to worry if your getting ripped off. The only loss you will suffer is you wont be able to wave that ‘name brand’ club around for all to see.

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Erwin Taylor July 26, 2010 at 10:17 am

I’m being told that I can purchase overstock golf clubs made by Titleist. I never heard of overstock clubs being sold. They are AP2 irons for $400. Are overstock clubs real are just another fake product?

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Kevin July 26, 2010 at 1:03 pm

I went to TWG and spent $999 on a set of Graphite Shafted Taylormade R9 Irons. I am still shooting in the 110 range same as my old Intech set. Could these R9′s be Fake?

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Doug March 30, 2013 at 10:56 pm

Maybe you just need golf lessons. My R7′s shot in the low 89′s to high 70′s.

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jrkdogs July 28, 2010 at 11:37 am

I just had an experience with http://www.golfwholesaleshop.com that I came out very lucky on. I ordered the Taylormade R9TP irons and was contacted within a few hours by my CC company asking if I had purchased any electronic equipment from Toyontech.com. The amount submitted to my CC company was within $10 of my purchase from golfwholesaleshop.com. Long story shortened, I declined the CC charge but GWS shipped anyway…I refused delivery of the clubs. I found out that the clubs were shipped from China and then I confronted them with why they sell counterfeit clubs to unsuspecting people…they didn’t want to answer my question but did tell me that they would fully refund my purchase…not too smart because I had already denied the charges. BEWARE of http://www.golfwholesaleshop.com…they are fakes!!!

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golflady007 December 19, 2010 at 10:28 am

Guys – unfortunately we did not investigate enough before buying R9 clubs from the site http://www.customizegolf.com/. AND what a surprise – the clubs were shipped from China AND CC charge was on Toyntech.com. They are fakes indeed!!! AND – they even overpainted the shaft. Sold us a ladies shaft (50 grams) as a mens stiff shaft (60 grams).

Incredible!!! Watch out.
Snowy regards from Switzerland

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edmon September 6, 2010 at 9:05 am

Has any one purchase from tim the putterman , he’s on ebay.
I want to bid on some mizuno mx 200 irons and would like to know if you think he’s legit.
Thanks-edmon

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AlBundy247 September 25, 2010 at 7:13 am

Anybody ever heard of this people? gurugolf-ltd Big ebay seller. Tks

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kevin September 27, 2010 at 6:18 am

hey i wanted to get the taylormade tour preferred irons from golfshopping18.com can i trust this website and are their clubs real??

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steve September 27, 2010 at 12:56 pm

I was wondering if my golf wholesale is a legit site and if anybody has bought any clubs from this site?

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John September 30, 2010 at 4:17 am

Stay away from Golf Leading…they are fakes from China!!!!

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Dwayne October 4, 2010 at 8:30 pm

Rockbottom golf is offering Callaway X Forged 2009s for $399. Nowhere do they mention these are used.

This is considerably cheaper than most other sellers. Three to four hundred dollars cheaper.

It doesn’t make sense to me. Why sell something three hundred dollars cheaper than everyone else, why not $100 less, or even $50??

Anyone ever buy these from Rock Bottom?

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Kevin October 7, 2010 at 6:52 am

If you read through this thread you will find several comments that Rockbottomgolf is legit. Why worry about their pricing? If you want the clubs and they are good deal buy them why worry about the price, thats Rockbottom’s issue. I think this thread has caused as much hysteria as information. On another note, a friend of mine bought a set of the Taylormade GCBs from one of the “Counterfeit” sites and he couldn’t be happier, gets to “show them off” without paying the high price.

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natahn October 16, 2010 at 3:50 pm

Hi

I am wondering about the authenticity of the website http://golfwholesaleshop.com/ are they genuine.

Regards

Nathan

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Jon October 16, 2010 at 9:44 pm

Your first item on your check list “member feedback” can be misleading. I am aware of several experiences where “Power Sellers” have sold counterfeit clubs. When approached with the proof the “Power Seller” told the buyer that ” I sell a whole lot of stuff and sometimes a counterfeit set might get in… Please keep the set, I will refund your money as long as you don’t post negative feedback on my account.” The buyer get a free set of counterfeit clubs and the “Power Seller” keeps a 98% approval rate and gets to keep selling counterfeits. With the margins they make they can afford to “eat” 3-5% of all sales and still make a fortune.

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Euan Green October 19, 2010 at 11:17 am

Hi,

I’ve been reading this post with interest as I think I have been stung as well. I have ordered a Taylor Made SuperTrei 460 for £167.99 from http://www.golfeasonss.com. I’ve received very suspect emails, and when aked about the authenticity of their products there’s no response from them.The product is coming from China as can be seen from the tracking info, hey at least their sending something!. Their website is a clone of http://www.wholesalegolf118.com and when clicking their ‘Trusted Ecommerce’ logo it goes to a page with no company name on it so it looks like they’ve just pasted the ‘trusted ecommerce’ logo into their site. Overall I’m now fully expecting a fake club to arrive at which point I’ll have to go through pay pal and try and get it returned/refunded. Not looking forward to that. Hope this post helps anyone else who might not be sure about the websites. I’m normally pretty good at spotting fake sites but these ones are very well polished and look extremely convincing.

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Dan True October 20, 2010 at 4:28 am

Just wondering if anyone has had a problem purchasing from this seller. prices were good on a Nike Sq. Machspeed str8 driver

Thanks,
Dan

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Brendon October 21, 2010 at 5:18 am

Oh dear I am another sucker, it all seems legit until you hit the order button. I ordered a Taylormade R9 Supertri through http://www.ordergolfonline.com last night. Since then I have been doing some research, I don’t have the club so nothing concrete but I fear a counterfeit is on the way. I gave them heaps on the live chat and emailed for refund – no luck!

There are several sites that all look similar, one umbrella company pulling the wool over our eyes. Gutted!

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Matt April 27, 2011 at 9:48 pm

hey brendon,
mate not all is lost. i did the same but they gave me a part refund as i ordered 2 x sets of irons. what i decdied to do was except one set & see…
since then i have shown my local pro, taken them to a very large golf retailer + seen the local Callaway rep that comes out for demo days… ALL of them believe they are REAL… they looked, matched them against others etc etc & have had a hit of them.
so if they are FAKE/KNOCK OFFS, then they are the best in the world!!!
ohhh & they go bloody nice as well.
so i kept them.

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pete o. October 22, 2010 at 6:36 am

Wondering what you think of the websites suno golf, istock golf and golfplayer18. Is rock bottom golf a good site for cheap golf clubs.

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jack calvert October 22, 2010 at 1:18 pm

Ive found some cleveland cg7 irons 5-pw on ‘onlinegolf.com’ for £179.99. It says they get sent from essex, england and not china, but not sure if there fake?

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Jon October 30, 2011 at 12:28 pm

onlinegolf.co.uk are 100% legit. Bought plenty of items off them & never ever had a problem.

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Tfall October 25, 2010 at 10:06 am

Whant do you all think

http://www.discountgolfwholesale.com

Eric 09:54:11
welcome to visiting our website, is there anything I can do for you?

Me 09:54:36
i am curious about the club prices

Me 09:55:43
are these authentic clubs if not and i recieve them can I get a full refund?

Eric 09:56:36
All the golf clubs sold on our website are all made by every brandcompany’s authorized manufacturer which can be called grey import products.In the eyes of the brandcompany those are fake,as it is not from the informal sources ,but they are really made by the authorized manufacturer. The appearance and quality is as the same as the authentic one, except no authority and the quality assurance of the brandcompany

Me 09:58:34
hum it sounds like a great deal but if i find these not to be equal quality can i get a full refund?

Eric 10:02:16
if you are not satisfied with the quality, we can give you a full refund under the condition that the product is perfectly good and you ship it back by yourself

Me 10:02:39
sounds great thank you

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Mikemacch December 26, 2010 at 7:13 am

Check out the pictures on this web site, some are reversed. Pretty comical web site!

Mike

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Frank November 3, 2010 at 8:04 am

I purchased (or thought I did) a Bang Storm driver from a company called golf discount center supposedly from San Mateo CA in late August 2010 and have yet to receive my order two months later. Despite repeated e-mails and phone calls I have had no satisfaction. They display a 1-866 number on their website but when you try the number all you get is a recorded message and no one ever calls back. All sounds bogus to me.

Has anyone ever done business with these people?

Looks like I’m just another victim of fraud. Thankfully I didn’t spend a fortune.

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mygolfspy November 3, 2010 at 8:27 am

Frank what is the website address and I will let you know if we have any additional info on them.

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Mikemacch November 7, 2010 at 7:08 am

Two quick ways to tell if the seller is legit, Right hand clubs only and same price for Steel or Graphite shafts.

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Mikemacch November 7, 2010 at 7:09 am

Thanks for saving me lots of money!!!!

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Mikemacch November 7, 2010 at 7:10 am

Great Site Thanks!!

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jon November 8, 2010 at 3:30 pm

just came accross the site http://www.golfmartdiscount.com , everything on there is cheap as chips, they claim to be offical calloway and taylormade internet retailers, anyone have any previous dealing with this lot?

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Joe November 11, 2010 at 11:03 am

Anyone had any experience of http://www.buyinmart.com/ ?

Seems too good to be true for TaylorMade gear !

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kenny g November 12, 2010 at 1:34 am

got a set of ping g15 irons from golfstaring from Honolulu (via Shanghai) and a odyssey putter god are they fakes!! However upon sending them an email telling them their stuff is so fske I cant give them away they sent me an email back saying the clubs are genuine they dont sell fakes! I would feel better if they had said got ya sucker but no they just down right lied!

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Chris Campbell November 12, 2010 at 10:35 pm

Is USGOLFSALE.com a legit sight with geniune clubs

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Uncle_Rico November 14, 2010 at 7:20 pm

Here’s a tip, Go to the golf store and pay retail price. lol Or just simply ask if the clubs have a factory warranty. The end. You guys like to spin your wheels too much. lol Don’t sacrifice common sense in lieu of what you WANT to hear. Factory Warranty or go to the store. The End. Quit playing with your b@!!s

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Uncle_Rico November 14, 2010 at 7:23 pm

Another point to keep in mind….. The major manufacturers like Titleist, Taylormade and Ping…..havent accepted online resellers as new customers in over a decade LOL The proper sales channel is to use the golf pro shop of your choice, or their website directly.

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Tim Ludwig November 15, 2010 at 7:26 am

Nice website…just hope I did not find it too late. Just won with a bid of $255 a used Adams A4 Hybrid Iron set said to be hit 1X. The seller’s online store is Budget Golf, http://www.BudgetGolf.com. Any experience with them? They arrive tomorrow and I just hope my quest for a deal has not gotten the best of me. Thanks.

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Justin January 30, 2011 at 11:11 am

I am also wondering about http://www.BudgetGolf.com. If anyone has any experience with them I would appreciate your opinion. Thanks!

Justin

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Justin January 30, 2011 at 11:13 am

Tim,

How was the iron set? I hope you didn’t get ripped off because I just ordered a set of irons myself!

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Dmitri February 23, 2014 at 3:25 am

I bought from http://www.BudgetGolf.com and it was a good. I actually called them regading the callaway wedge I bought after I read this article and the person who I was talking to assured me that they deal directly with manufacturers and they sent me the link http://www.callawaygolf.com/authorized-retailers/ and I see budgetgolf.com them in authorized retails list.
So clearly, they deal with Callaway. It is safe to assume that they are legit for other manufacturers.

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Got Duped November 15, 2010 at 2:22 pm

http://www.golfstockonline.com are a bunch of fraudsters that operate out of Australia and ship products from China. I bought a full set of R9 including woods, bags, trolley, umbrella etc worth $1,300. I got delivered only the irons and woods which were extremely poor quality. They are fake clubs that are bent, scratched with the iron faces totally concave. The clubs are totally unplayable!!! They wont even deliver the missing order………Dont even approach this guys!

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Ozzy November 15, 2010 at 4:22 pm

What about http://www.golfselling.com they are new too, and price offered does not make sense at all, be aware

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Trev November 20, 2010 at 1:29 pm

Hi guys.Im looking into buying a set of Titleist Ap2 irons with precision shaft 5.5.Im looking at this site http://www.discountsgolfclubs.com and they are on offer for $350 free of charge delivery.Clearly they are counterfiets,are they? Now I ask myself,does internet purchasers have any protection against this.

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Matt November 22, 2010 at 11:32 am

What I also found is that you could check out the golf ball section, and see whether their prices are reasonable. I find that most rip-off stores stock old golf balls or regular-priced golf balls. If the online stores were TRULY getting their products from the companies, then the prices of these golf balls should be low and updated to the latest inventory.
I would start from here and then follow the steps this website has posted.

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Matt November 22, 2010 at 11:37 am

I also would start looking at the golf balls to see if the stores are valid.
Most of the rip-off online stores have old inventories (Nike platinum) or regular-priced golf balls.
If the stores should really be getting products from the manufacturers, then their inventories should be updated and low-priced.
From there, I would go through the things listed on this website!

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Ash December 9, 2010 at 2:42 am

Hey guys and mygolfspy, awesome forum, glad to see you’ve saved so many people from buying fakes..Just wondering if anyone has any information on MONSTER GOLF and EMPIRE GOLF USA, they are on ebay and have great feedback…
Also can’t decide from Taylormade Burner 2.0 irons or Callaway X-22′s or 24′s irons any suggestions???
R9 driver or Diablo edge???
Thanks

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Seth December 9, 2010 at 8:52 am

Someone tell me if they think this website is fake. golfclubsequipments.com

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James Langmead December 19, 2010 at 8:12 am

A lot of the companies that were offering fake clubs were advertising on Google Adwords. I contacted Google and after a few days they removed these website. unfortunate;y they would come back under another name however when i contacted google they removed these immediately and activity on adwords has been greatly reduced

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David Pingley December 21, 2010 at 4:17 pm

Looking for Callaway x-24s. Gurugolf and Empire-Golf both have a large supply and guarantee authenticity saying they purchase from authorized dealers. But are there dealers Chinese? Any info on these two Ebay sellers? Thanks Dave

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David Pingley December 22, 2010 at 7:41 am

How about gurugolf and empire-golf? They seem to have large supply and positive feedback. Any info as to whether their authorized dealer is a Chinese? Thanks

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Henry December 24, 2010 at 6:37 pm

My daughter bid a set of X24 Callaway graphite from Empire Golf through bidding as a Xmas gift to me. Arrived promptly, managed to view and test the set. Finding: the set is genuine ( this is my 5th callaway set and I know the products well ) and would say, Empire Golf is professional and sells genuine products.

I will put a 5 stars grade to Empire Golf, Global Golf and GolfEntail, all of which I had past dealings with them. All these companies do not deal with “nonsense” products and they do deserve the respect and recommendation.

Feel ease to buy from Empire Golf. I am more worried than you since I live in Malaysia, and anything that is not genuine would cost much more for restitution. Being cheated is much worst than the loss of money.

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Matt April 27, 2011 at 9:22 pm

AGREE with the above. all are great to deal with.

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Mikemacch December 26, 2010 at 6:45 am

I just bought a set of diablo edge irons from the callaway pre-owned web site. Great items great price (I got 2 for 1 woods on black friday).

Thank you for saving me from a disaster, I am very happy with my Diablos. I almost bought the knock-offs.

http://www.callawaygolfpreowned.com is the way to go!

Mike

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Mac McGauley December 29, 2010 at 7:14 am

I purchased a Ping G15 driver from golfmartdiscount for $169 with free shipping. When it arrived, I compared it to Ping’s photos, it looked legit. However, the club was obviously too heavy. A friend put it on his scale to check swing weight (should have been D3) and it was so heavy it was off the scale. Certainly not in the D range and probably not E. I actually took it and hit a bucket of balls. It seemed to hit ok, but was very heavy. I contacted the seller and he admitted that it was not really a Ping and offered me 40% of my money back and keep the club. I contacted my credit card company and explained what happened. They gave me a credit after I emailed the seller and told him the club was available and ready for shipper of his choice to pick up. Buying from US retailer is probably best bet. Stay away from this web site.

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Pete January 2, 2011 at 9:44 pm

Yes I have been looking at buying a set of R9′s with bag and all for $500, three woods, irons and putter. The picture is unclear, but I decided to go to the official TM site and found the specific bag is not listed on TM’s site. The bag is prodomenantly black and red, and the suspicioun came when I noticed the font that R9 is written in, the letters are taller. Anyway, the saying goes, if it sounds too good to be true, chances are that it is’nt true. Nobody is going to give away a bag full of R9′s for $500 unsless it is counterfeit. Thanks for the post, it helped me from losing $500!!!
Thanks, Pete

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Eli Springer January 3, 2011 at 8:51 pm

How about http://www.golfclubsequipments.com? I am definitely thinking fake after viewing their prices.

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cattern January 3, 2011 at 10:04 pm

Hi Mygolfspy, Pat G and other members,

After reading the comments, I become a little bit paranoid at purchasing online. Do you know if “cashforgolfclubs” sell genuine clubs? the seller has in fact got a very good feedback (which i think). thanks

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cattern January 4, 2011 at 12:09 pm

I meant ebay for that matter. they even own a shop called Chris cote’s golf shop. Many thanks

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Luke January 9, 2011 at 5:13 pm

Hi I have recently found the titelist AP2 iron set that i bought from WOWgolf clubs, now http://www.cheapgolfforsale.com/ to be fake. The shaft is chipping away as if the shiny element is some sort of coating and not actual steel.

Has anyone had any trouble or ordered clubs from these sites in the past?
Thanks,

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Andy January 13, 2011 at 9:47 pm

Hi Guys

Has anyone come across http://www.golffactorystore.com ?

Wondering if this is selling fake products

Cheers

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Charlie January 16, 2011 at 10:53 am

Hi Guys

Has anyone come across http://www.golfwholesaleseller.com
Wondering if this is selling fake products

Cheers

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alex January 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm

Hi everyone, i would like to get a set of iron Callaway, and I found a website that seems to be honest, but we never know, I would like to get your advice on that.
The website is: http://www.buygolfsets.com

Thank you for your help guys.

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Dean Staffen January 24, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Richard Shakespeare February 9, 2011 at 5:42 am

I fell victim to golfsales365 in the past few days – only when my bank fraud unit raised the alarm did I even think that there could be a problem – I have been offered a 90% refund following instant cancellation of the order (they first offered me 80 – I agreed but politely requested a copy of the carrier invoice they claimed contributed to their loss – of course they have suffered none but I guess my stupidity warrants a small ‘learning payment’

My idea to severely dent the amount of people who fall for this is to contact the legitimate sites we have done business with and ask them to post a prominent link to this list on their home pages

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gunn February 11, 2011 at 1:08 am

Hi,

Need to ask your favour here. I just bought cobra S2 Driver from Ebay. Received the item but not too sure of the authenticity.

The sticker on the shaft said “Assembled – USA” “Head – China” n “Shaft – China”.

Is it fake or authentic S2 driver?

Thanks all.

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Dave February 12, 2011 at 1:09 pm

I just thought I would say that not all club makers on e-bay are looking to scam people. I have been making custom clubs for over 5 years. I use all legit golf club components. I am trying to start selling the clubs people back out of because they don’t have the money to buy after they are completed. Because of articles like this people become scared to but even though they are getting great deals. some companies still rely on word advertising so they build very good clubs.

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Jon February 15, 2011 at 2:24 pm

OKAY, After reading through these endless amounts of complaints and questions I thought I would give everyone a rule-of-thumb:

IF THE GOLF CLUBS ARE FROM CHINA, THEY ARE FAKE!!! It’s as simple as that! Golf clubs ARE NOT assembled in China. They are made in China but are assembled in the United States.

The Chinese workers (who work in the factories) will steal the “mould” of the golf clubs and sell them for thousands of dollars. About 10 – 20 times their Annual salary!

I repeat; YOU CANNOT BUY GOLF CLUBS “STRAIGHT FROM THE FACTORY.”

Geeze, use your heads people!

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mygolfspy February 15, 2011 at 2:45 pm

“IF THE GOLF CLUBS ARE FROM CHINA, THEY ARE FAKE!!!”

Well put Jon ;)

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PROOSS February 21, 2011 at 8:24 am

Hi.. interesting subject here..
I think ive already bought fake R7 $^) driver on the internet.. $145 only..
But i can hit it quite far…

One question..
Are the material content in those fake clubs same as the original ones?

Thanks..

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ChuckThis February 27, 2011 at 11:13 am

I purchased a set of x-24s for 318.00 on 2-25 at a website called usgolfsale.com. After reading this forum I cancelled the order by e-mail yesterday. No phone #. I got a reply that said will return emails on Monday 2-28. Has anyone heard of this site. I told them not to send them and that my wife will have my balls for breakfast if you send them. I’m worried about this

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ChuckThis February 27, 2011 at 12:49 pm

Great site!! Wish I found it earlier. I recently bought the x24s for 313.00 and the burner driver superfast for 149.00 on Friday 2-25. Having read this forum and researching the site that I bought them at I cancelled the order yesterday via e-mail. No phone #. The reply was…. I will return emails on Mon the 28th when I return to the office. I told them that my wife found out I ordered these and she is pissed. If you ship these to me she is going to have my balls for breakfast. Please don’t ship. The site is usgolfsale.com. Has anybody had any kind of transaction with them. They are also somehow related to golfsales365 with an address 315 Bartlett st. new hamshire shipping from china. KuiemQuiem did the transaction and is still pending

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Bob March 5, 2011 at 1:53 am

check out the website! They’re selling Scotty Cameron Newport 2′s for $99.99! THEY ARE FAKE I bought some and confirmed they’re fakes. Headcover not “fur” lined, The shaft sticker lists the Cameron website as “www.Scotty Oameron.com” When I contacted them, I was given the old OEM line etc. BEWARE OF WWW>PERFECTOUTDOORGAME.COM

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Richard March 5, 2011 at 7:13 am

I am little confuse…. have you guys brought any brand of golf set from the wowgolfcllubs website? My friend brought it a year ago and that set look good quality. He played the golf as better improve. I checked out on that website and not see where it come from. The price is much cheaper than other golf stores! I checked with the reviews and too many people talked about bad things… some of them already pay and have never get a golf set. Some of them said, that is fake brand of golf set. I looked at yahoo reviews and some of them said very good products!

At this point, my friend purchased it and got it within seven days. He is very please with his club and I swing one of his iron. That iron seem same way as mine, not make any different.

Let me know and I want to hear your feedback! Thanks!

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Joe March 7, 2011 at 3:39 pm

@ ChuckThis:

If they don’t cancel your order, you should be worried!!! Usually, when a website has other affiliate websites (usgolfsale.com & golfsales365) this puts up a red-flag, immediately! Also, you said they are shipping from China. Again, HUGE RED-FLAG! I guarantee the golf clubs WILL be fake! No if’s, and’s, or but’s)!

@PROOSS:

The fake golf clubs ARE NOT made with the same materials. They are made with materials that cause the club(s) to be much heavier (or sometimes lighter) than the original, and it is not uncommon to lose at least 1 club of distance. Not 1 club-length, 1 CLUB. Thus meaning, you hit a 3 iron, it’s like you’re hitting a 4 iron. This isn’t just caused by the material, but also by the angle of the club-face. Most of the time the angles are not what they should be, causing the ball flight to be different. Fake clubs will also wear n’ tare much quicker than the originals.

Here’s an example of a golf store that sold many products & operated out of the United States (shipped straight from the “factory” HAHAHA). I know many people personally that ordered from this website and didn’t want to believe that their items are fake. Here’s the website and take a look for yourself at how well that worked out for them. http://www.sunogolf.com

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MZofo March 11, 2011 at 3:33 pm

USGOLFSALE.com is another counterfiet site. I just checked with Callaway, and they have a list of counterfiet sites. This was on the list. Call 800-588-9836. Either buy the knockoffs/clones for very cheap, or the store brand like Lynx from Golfsmith, or if you’re really a 5 HCP you can spend $800+ on a set.

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Ken March 22, 2011 at 5:34 am

I’m looking at a Cobra S3 on ebay. The seller is Designer Golf Apparel and equipment, for location they have east coast of US, and they also have NO RETURNS on the listing. Two strikes looking for a third. They do have good feedback but I can’t help seeing a big red flag.

Ken

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Richard March 22, 2011 at 3:26 pm

My friend purchased a new set of King Cobra from the website last year. The shipping come from Kong Hong. He played with that club for a year, then he didn’t like it. I checked with this club and it seem not real original to me, because the swingweight is off the scale on each iron.

My friend bring this club to the Golfsmith for trade in. The person checked with that club and said, Im sorry that we can’t trade with this fake club!

My friend really upset and can’t afford with new set what he look for.

I asked him what website he ordered? He checked with the website, there is no longer, but he notice other website name while same web design picture.

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Bret March 23, 2011 at 9:47 am

Did anyone hear of Carlsgolfland.com ?

Reading the story that they were highlighted in Golf Digest and GolfWorld magazine as a top store made me feel a little comfortable. They also have two stores in Michigan that look legit.

Any help on the legitimacy of this website would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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Matt April 27, 2011 at 9:18 pm

ive used these guys a number of times on ALL different golf gear. very very good to deal with. all REAL!!!

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joe March 24, 2011 at 10:57 am
Luis May 24, 2011 at 12:47 pm

Fake. Shipping from China.

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Faraaz Shah March 29, 2011 at 2:59 am

As much as i am delighted that i know a bit more about fake clubs out there.. it sure is scary. I just started and im very keen on purchasing a used club set from Globalgolf.com. The reviews available on their website are reassuring but its still a guess. I request any feedback from anyone who might have heard of them or had an experience. Im in india so shipping is another story!! if someone can also advise on duty etc that might be charged apart from what i pay, it will be a huge help. Thankyou all.
Happy golfing :)

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kenny cheatham March 30, 2011 at 8:49 pm

would like to know if wallys discount golf sells authentic or fake clubs

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FerrariFrank March 31, 2011 at 7:56 am

You guys really have to open your eyes. All of these discount golf websites are PHONEY, FAKE, SCAMS ect ect. They only sell to those that are greedy. Remember, If is smells like a turd and looks like a turd, then it probably is a turd so you had better not eat it. Do you guys really think you can buy a set of G15 pings at 1/3 the price? Come on man, WAKE UP! The only guys I know that get ripped off by sites like this are those that cheap out on everything in life including haircuts.

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FerrariFrank March 31, 2011 at 9:24 am

Just to add to my last post. If anyone thinks that these knockoffs are good then great for you. You are not a good enough golfer to know the difference but if you were to replace your fake clubs with the real thing, you would knock a few strokes or more off your handicap and no longer be handicapped by crap clubs made by people who are undermining everyones economy. Speaking of undermining economies, Im surprised that wallymart isnt carrying these FAKE clubs.

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jon April 4, 2011 at 1:22 pm

I also tried to deal with timtheputterman, He sells sets so cheap that they have to be copies. Otherwise he would not be in business so long now on e-bay. He won’t even leet me buy from him anymore, lol, thr Jokes on timmy

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Brad April 7, 2011 at 6:39 pm

i’ve recently spent $170 on a scotty cameron california putter. i think it’s fake because of the price for one, also because of an imperfection on the hozel of the club. can you confirm this so we can let everyone know what they’re up to? the site is http://www.discountgolfwholesale.com

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Brad April 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm

can you confirm i got ripped off at http://www.discountgolfwholesale.com ?

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Dana April 17, 2011 at 9:02 pm

has anyone bought any knock off sets of ping G15 and had good quality? (odd to say I know)
or does anyone know of a inexpensive decent set and or single clubs?

Dana

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Hammer April 17, 2011 at 11:07 pm

has anyone heard anyhing bad about http://www.perfectoutdoorgame.com am about to order some clubs from them.
Verry cheeep

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Yap May 11, 2011 at 5:15 pm

Did you get any feedback on this? My son wants to order from them… thanks

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Taffy May 11, 2011 at 8:39 pm

I just recieved a Scotty Camaron putter from them and compaired it to my own, seems okay the weight is good it sits behind the ball well, checked on the Scotty Camaron wedsite and is identical to the ones on screen, so if it is fake then its flipping good

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Terry Nightingill June 1, 2011 at 9:00 am

i wanna order from them… anyone ??????

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carol April 18, 2011 at 3:46 am

How do i know that a number given to me on a G15 is ok not fake

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Andy April 18, 2011 at 10:06 am

I recently made an enquiry on http://www.aliexpress.com regarding the Taylor Made R11 driver, i was assured that the product was original and no mention of OEM or anything like that, the price was alot cheaper than shops ect but more than most on ebay, so i thought i would be getting a bargain, and even cheaper if i bought more than one, so i thought that if i listed one of these on ebay, i could order 2 (one for me and one for whoever bought from me on ebay) and get it cheaper!!
i took all the details from the site, got them confirmed from the supplier and listed it on ebay, about 10 mins later i got a message from someone calling me a muppet for listing fake golf clubs on ebay!! I politely replied staing that i believe these are originals, they then replied pointing out that the 9.5 degree loft i was offering wasn’t actually available only a 9 and 10.5 are! I checked this and they were right!! I replied thanking them for pointing this out to me and ended the listing ammediately!! Although i wasn’t happy being called a ‘Muppet’ i didn’t really mind as this saved me alot of money, and saved me getting into trouble with ebay!!
so i advise that if you decide to buy from an online store, do a little bit of research, sites like this will help alot of people, only had i visited here first!!
Keep up the good work!!

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jml159 April 18, 2011 at 5:40 pm

Does anyone have any info on the sites buycheapgolf.com or ourdiscountgolf.com. They have some unbelievable prices on clubs (AP2s for $360) The site have some broken english on the descriptions, but their site phone number is an Chicago area code. Has anyone had any experience with this site? Any help would be appreciated. I am in desperate need of some new irons, but low on cash. Just looking for the best deals without getting ripped off. Thanks.

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Andy June 20, 2011 at 7:55 am

these guys are con-artist, I’m still waiting for the refund money they owe me.

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John June 29, 2011 at 5:47 am

I just purchased a PING G15 driver & 3 wood combo. I still haven’t received them. I have a shipping number from UPS, but it’s taken two weeks to get that. I noticed yesterday the shipment started in China so I email them and asked if they were legitimate PING clubs or counterfeits. Their response was their warehouse was out of stock and that they shipped it direct. I just sent another message requesting serial numbers.

I suspect I’ve made a huge mistake and will “attempt” to send them back. Their website suggests they will charge for a restocking fee. Now I too am wondering if I’m in for a big headache. If you haven’t yet purchased clubs, I would recommend staying away from this site.

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jml159 April 18, 2011 at 8:13 pm

These site also offer Lefty clubs and assured me that all their clubs have serial numbers and will checkout with Titleist. I saved the convos to use if they are fake. They also said they regulate their prices according to the volume of products and that a lot of these prices will end at the end of April. While some clubs have amazing deals, others are not. I believe this site might be legit. Thoughts?

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Jon April 19, 2011 at 8:49 am

hey
does anyone have any information about this site? i am looking to buy an r11 off of this site and its only $259.. with free shipping. this is by far the cheapest offering of this driver i have found. any information would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.

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Jon April 19, 2011 at 1:15 pm

the site is called “perfect outdoor game”

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greatnorthgolfer April 19, 2011 at 9:40 am

hi everyone, btw sorry for my bad english (i’m a french canadian from quebec) i’ve just purchase a nike sq dymo driver on the web and the driver has not aiming mark on the crown (the two little triangle ) do you think it’s a fake ???

thanks

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Jason April 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm

I have little pity for the golf companies. I respect and understand legitimate intellectual property protection. I know it fosters research and development in many fields, and encourages companies to improve products and technology. Stipulating that a hunk of metal at the end of a stick qualifies as “intellectual property”, these companies admittedly contract the manufacturing of their clubs to Chinese companies because the production quality and cost is “unbeatable”.

And why is it “unbeatable”? Why do these companies ship work and resources out of our domestic economy? Because, like any other rational entity in the marketplace, companies like Callaway and TaylorMade can maximize their profits by taking advantage of low labor and production costs offered in China.

So, because it is too expensive to pay American workers and use American materials, the Chinese economy will reap the bulk of the benefit of the golf club manufacturing market (excepting U.S. marketing and sales reps, etc…. the typical “service” jobs that are all that remain for Americans).

But wait! The evil Chinese counterfeiter is unfairly utilizing the golf companies’ intellectual property and cloning their products. So they turn to the U.S. government to enforce U.S. patents. The enforcement and legal aspects of these companies’ intellectual property costs millions in U.S. taxpayer money, but that is how the profits of these companies are protected. Starting to get the picture?

We ship millions of dollars of production, from labor to materials, out of the country because it’s cheaper in China. Though the U.S. economy loses out on the input, both direct and indirect of that production in the U.S. GDP, then the U.S. government is sent to spend millions in resources to protect the companies’ ability to do so.

These golf companies could easily greatly reduce (though admittedly, not eliminate) the losses attributable to counterfeiting by producing their products in the United States. If a Big Bertha shows up on a dock via a ship from China, it is easily identified as illegal counterfeit by customs when 100% of Big Berthas are produced in the United States. Not so easy when the “real deal” is being shipped in from all over the world, as it currently is.

I don’t suggest counterfeiting is O.K, or that a company shouldn’t be able to maximize it’s profits by minimizing costs, but it is absurd that the U.S. government through enforcement of intellectual property laws, protects these companies profits to the detriment of our own gross domestic product! If scarce U.S. resources are not used to protect a companies profits, at some point, it will become more cost efficient to manufacture in the U.S., which eliminates the counterfeit problem, and helps our domestic economy.

TL;DR, Don’t cry for the golf companies; protecting their profits costs U.S. jobs and taxpayer money.

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andrew January 12, 2013 at 12:15 am

bingo! not to mention these companies would still make plenty of money using american (safe, sanitary, secure) labor. you cant tell me a tp driver costs 500 bucks to make but a standard tm driver will still net a profit on sale next year for 150.

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Robert Hutner April 22, 2011 at 11:17 am

You guys sure Hurricanegolf.com is legit? I called Callaway corporate office and the guy said he could not locate their account based on their address.

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Tim July 31, 2011 at 7:03 am

Hurricane Golf is completely legit.

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clam fist April 25, 2011 at 7:06 am

Great article. I learned a ton.

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Jeff A April 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm

Anyone dealt with buycheapgolf.com? They are out of chicago and I have had many conversations with them via their help line. They seem legit. They tell me they do not sell fakes, or copies and have factory authorized warrantied products. What is difficult is I am interested in the R9 i forged irons, which are not available in the US. The clubs are shown on Taylormade’s website if you look under the Taylormade Japan. Any help would be appreciated.

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Andy June 10, 2011 at 9:41 am

Do not buy from them. I’m still trying to get some money back, and they stoppped replying to my emails. Anyone have any ideas as to how to get response from them?

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tad April 29, 2011 at 8:00 pm

If you purchace clubs online just make sure you use paypal. If the Clubs are fake they have to refund your money since its illegal to sell fake clubs.

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Jason April 29, 2011 at 11:20 pm

I just won an auction for $120 from GolfBestBuy-usa. This ebay store sells the Precise S7 clubs that were made in 2009 by Tartan Sports. Tartan Sports has a Chinese manufacturing facility listed from the very little info I could gather on them, they also have a CA facility here in the US but I am not sure if that is a distribution center, or if they manufacture there.

My concern is that after researching the product, I found that the price of Royal Precision steel shafts for the 6-SW alone is a bit more then the $120 for the 18 piece set w/ bag. What should I look for, how can I find out if these are counterfeit assembly parts?

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Jason April 29, 2011 at 11:26 pm

Also just to give a little more info, they sell it at a buy it now price of $269 for the set. But they run a high number of no reserve auctions for the S7 and S10 series, the S7 sells for $100-160 most of the time on those, and the S10 from what I have seen sells for $80-150. I tracked prices for a few days after purchase(I was shocked to see that I won this $270 set of clubs for $120). Is this legit? They have 75k sales, so is this just OEM mass production prices?

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San Diego golfer May 6, 2011 at 11:58 am

Do not buy anything from this site. I am sorry to say they got me for $250 for a “R11″ which was a fake. I have played Taylormade all my life and should have known better when I saw teh price. The first clue was the sound it made. I have never heard the clanky sound it made from an authentic Taylormade product. Then the screw started stripping after only 10 changes to the head. I finally took it to a reputable supplier and compared it side by side. There were subtle differences in the lettering on the headcover and the head itself that you would not know if not looking at a real one side by side with the fake. The old adage is true..if it sounds to good to be true, it usually is.

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Andy June 10, 2011 at 9:44 am

Same story as mine. Wish I had researched this site before my purchase.

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San Diego golfer May 6, 2011 at 12:15 pm

I forgot to lis the site, http://Golfwholesaleshop.com. Do not buy anything. FAKES.

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eric May 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm

hi,
thanks for this post. it has been very helpful.

i know this is a pretty old thread but it still seems to be drawing comments. I am left handed and looking to get a set of irons. the comments say that most often they won’t fake left handed clubs, which makes sense, considering the market for it, but how confident should I be? I have been looking at the nike pro combo’s.

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Steve Mckay May 9, 2011 at 6:06 pm

Seriously guy, I feel absolutely nothing for your loss. How can you thrust websites where CHINA comes as the owner of a domain name. People like you is the reason there are fraud of the internet. It takes a dumb victim for thieves to exist. Please do your research next time. It does take a driving license to drive a car, unfortunately every dumb ass can use internet.

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phantasy May 10, 2011 at 11:00 pm

A few years ago we bought a Canon camera from a website and googled it afterwards and found there were a lot of complaints about the products and dealing with the seller. We cancelled the order and the credit card we used. Since then I always do research before buying. I searched on http://www.easybuygolf.com and didn’t find much, but checked the whois record using whois.domaintools.com and it was from China. Also, the site didn’t have a phone number to contact and the grammar was suspect “All of our staffs here are ready to be your service agent. All the questions will be replied within 24hours ” I didn’t order the $350 set of Callaway Diablo Edges. I instead checked eBay and examined the listings for the Diablos and found a couple of sellers with tens of thousands of overwhelmingly positive feedback. Golfetail was where I bought them, I won an auction for a little over $300. Golfetail is in the US and also has a website where it shows their toll free number, picture of their staff and more confidence building information. My clubs haven’t arrived yet but based on this site and my buying experience, I am confident I made a good purchase. I’ll find out soon enough!

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john mac May 12, 2011 at 1:26 pm

Hi,

If I find my ping g15 driver is fake when it arrives (perfectoutdoorgame) what is the best recourse of action to get my money back.

Great site
Thanks in advance for any help you can give me
John…UK

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john mac May 15, 2011 at 3:08 am

Can anyone help ?

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Wouter Bakx May 18, 2011 at 1:26 pm

Hi,
I live in the Netherlands and I want to buy a set of irons (Callaway X-22 ) on the following websites:
http://www.discountforgolf.com/index.php
http://www.myordergolf.com/index.php
Does anyone know whether this suppliers sell original stuff?

Thanks,

Wouter Bakx

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j kerns May 19, 2011 at 1:09 pm

Hey guys i came across a sight not sure it if it fake but got a good feeling it is:
http://www.discountgolfwholesale.com

if you find out anything id like to know

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Luis May 24, 2011 at 5:36 pm

Has anyone puchased any clubs from GolfDiscount.com? Please adivise.

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Terry Nightingill June 1, 2011 at 8:42 am

I have been looking over this site and really wanna buy an R11 driver, 5 wood some Taylor Made Irons and a nice Scotty Cameron putter… thing is it comes out at $874 for the lot… plus free shipping to the UK, need some help from the experts please :-s ?????

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Terry Nightingill June 1, 2011 at 8:45 am

perfectoutdoorgame.com?????

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Mark June 1, 2011 at 10:32 pm

I checked out some of these sites, some of them have evolved to sell left-handed clubs probably from reading this site. It`s really becoming bad, you can`t trust individual sellers on ebay unless their clubs show noticeable long-term wear and the photos show part of their home. Many people are trying to sell back their counterfeit purchases back to ebay at market prices. Some guy states that he won a set of clubs at a tournament, yet that he`s not good enough to use them. Combines two of the common red flags of the small-time crooks or people who have been burned. R11 driver is currently 399.99 brand new, anything less is illegal.

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Josh June 6, 2011 at 4:46 pm

I was looking at buying another iron set on ebay and I found a couple different listings on there that are selling ping and taylormade iron sets that seemed ridiculously low. The site that is suppose to be supplying these clubs is http://www.chinadiscountgolf.com. The site claims to be selling the clubs at the wholesale price that golf retailers buy them at. It shows pictures of serial numbers on the clubs, but with the price being so low, it seems a little too good to be true. Anyone have any ideas or information about this supplier.

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Joe June 8, 2011 at 11:31 pm

Has anyone bought clubs from http://www.24golfstore.com Is this site for real?

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Matt June 9, 2011 at 10:59 am
John kovac June 14, 2011 at 11:01 am

Anybody done business with tincup_golfstore on e-bay. Seem to have great prices on Ping irons, good feedback. ?

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TheArtfulDuffer June 14, 2011 at 5:38 pm

Greetings,
Has anyone had dealings with discountdansgolf.com? Also, perfectoutdoorgame.com is screaming fakes. There’s no way they’re able to sell Japan Market only pieces such as the R9 Max at that kind of price if it’s legit.

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shankmeisters June 17, 2011 at 8:14 am

Awesome information. One has to read this post before buying any golf accessories. I have seen many posts where people ask how to “Sell Your Golf Stuff Fast” so they can get the answer from here as how and what to be done before buying golf clubs.

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853277 June 18, 2011 at 1:06 pm

Does anybody know hotsale.com? R11 drivers for 259.99. are these knock offs?

Thanks

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Tonyrayo June 22, 2011 at 11:52 am

Hi golf spy,
great info mate. Just came across a site http://www.wholesalegolfclubs.co.uk
can u give any info on them as their clubs are super cheap, I know the saying goes ” if it’s too good to be true” u know the rest, but they say clubs are shipped from the states and Japan which makes me wonder.
I’m just looking for a good deal so could u give me a list of good uk based sites or if I bought from the states like hurrican golf would I have to pay import duty on them

Many thanks

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mary June 23, 2011 at 1:11 am

I’m just looking for a good deal so could u give me a list of good uk based sites or if I bought from the states like hurrican golf would I have to pay import duty on them

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Antony June 26, 2011 at 4:44 am

http://www.golfclubgate.com/ real or not NEED TO KNOW NOW!

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michaelsim June 26, 2011 at 9:22 am

after reading the comments, i am getting very paranoid over buying clubs on the net… however, would like to confirm one point: for the “online retailer” listed in taylormade website (http://www.taylormadegolf.com/locator/online-retailer), does it mean that ALL these online stores definitely sell authentic taylormade clubs?

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Mike Z June 27, 2011 at 9:00 am

I am so glad I did some research and found this site. I picked up a set of X-22s from Craigslist that were beautiful for $250 I was going to send them to Callaway to get lengthened but then found “deals” from a few places on the net like Cheapgolfmall.com among others. So I sold the set I had just purchased with the intention of getting a new set with the changes already made. Thank goodness I did more research!! Though I sold the nice, legit Callaways I just bought, I did not place that order. Anyway, all those sites lead back to a place named Hensol Golf Academy. When you look at the refunds page, it lists mysurbuy. Looking that up, shows HUGE SCAM. So most likely I will be paying a few hundred more for a new set, but at least I know they’ll be legit and all mine.

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Mike Z June 27, 2011 at 9:10 am

I just heard back from someone at golfbuyitonline (Hensol golf) and he claimed that the companies out there like I named stole the skin of their site and to stay away. Thank goodness for honest people out there!

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Mike D June 29, 2011 at 1:33 pm

Loved this read. I’d been finding all kinds of sites that looked sketchy when shopping around for my soon-to-be new G15 irons. I was generally thinking that I wanted to find the best price on them, but that less than 50% of MSRP was a red flag.

I agree with some posters on here that you should just buy your clubs at a local retailer to be sure, but why should I spend an extra 300 bucks on something when I don’t have to? Maybe they should be more reasonable with their markups…and stop trying to sell me stuff I don’t need as soon as I walk in the door.

As for the suggestion that you shouldn’t be buying better clubs if you’re not good enough to be playing them…or whatever that argument was….it’s just a faulty idea. Your game improves by playing better equipment, and that makes it more enjoyable, which makes you play more, and get better, and buy better equipment which makes you better, etc. It’s a progression in stages. I’m not looking for tour quality clubs at rock-bottom prices, I’m looking for a quality product that will improve my game to make it more fun…and I don’t want to pay more than I have to, because what I save can go towards green-fees to go hit them.

Glad to hear that TGW is a good site. Kinda where I was leaning anyway, as they have good prices, but not stupidly good prices.

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Mitchell June 30, 2011 at 2:05 pm

Hi does anyone know about http://www.cheapgolf4u.com? They have really low prices and free shipping. They say the clubs come from a OEM supplier. They also say the clubs come with serial numbers and that they will give them to you if you want.

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Mo July 1, 2011 at 6:35 pm

Just wondering if anyone knows anything about http://www.hygolfcn.com , i just brought the new taylormade white ghost putter tm-110 model . and it looks pretty good. its either real or a really good fake. i just want to know if i should return it or not!

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Lauren July 6, 2011 at 9:22 pm

I was wanting to know some information on these websites. http://www.gtbshoping.com and http://www.gtbshopping.com I just purchased a taylormade r11 driver and taylormade burner 2.0 irons. spent $530. Then came across this site and now I am extremely worried about my purchase.

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mark October 1, 2011 at 10:50 am

lauren im sorry, bad news…ive done my research and this website ships directly from factory out of china…unfortunately, its a scam

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B July 9, 2011 at 4:52 am

I saw a deal for a Titleist 910 D2 Driver for 269.99 at golfonlinewholesale.com. I do not know if it could be a fake or not. It even lets you pick the loft and flex.

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BigChipsNJ July 19, 2011 at 9:44 am

They are Frauds B,i ordered that excact club and it never even shipped.After further research ive discovered they are fakes.Save your money n spend the extra 70bucks.

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james July 9, 2011 at 11:57 pm

anybody heard about luckygolf18.com? Is the company real and did anubody bought any golf equipment from them

thanks

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Royce July 11, 2011 at 7:42 am

Here is a list of Callaway authorized online retailers. Other manufactures may have a list on their site.
http://locator.callawaygolf.com/global/en-us/callaway/callaway-authorized-online-retailers.html

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pmn1 July 12, 2011 at 8:03 am

I was wondering If its easier to counterfeit forged or cast irons and if its easier to counterfeit drivers vs irons. Does anybody know?

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Harry Edwards July 18, 2011 at 11:36 am

Is this a real website because the prices are really low

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BigChipsNJ July 19, 2011 at 9:22 am

DO NOT ORDER ANYTHING FROM THESE FRAUDS. THEY NEVER EVEN SHIPPED MY FAKE DRIVER. And once i asked the online chat for refund they go offline. They got me dont let them get you.

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BigChipsNJ July 19, 2011 at 9:43 am

Golfonlinewholesale.com.BOOTLEGS,They never even shipped it.Dont get anything from them.

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Kieran July 22, 2011 at 1:34 am

Just recieved two woods from golfclubgate.com, didnt relise there was such a high risk of buying counterfeit clubs, just wondering if you have heard anything suspect about them. The clubs were not rediculously under priced but very weary now.

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David July 22, 2011 at 2:13 pm

Hi
Does anyone know of this site is selling fakes?

ussgolf.com

They say they are selling OEM clubs and ship directly from Asia hence why they can sell so cheap, although does OEM mean they are fake? Or are they made from the Callaway or US golf brands factorys in China just to make them cheaper like most brands do these days for all different items?
Thanks

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Tim July 30, 2011 at 9:18 pm

Just finished reading this article and am certainley glad I did as I was considering ordering a new driver from Sunny Golf located in China. I have purchased equipment from EBay, Hurricane Golf, TGW, Golfio and Rock Bottom Golf. Note that all of these businesses are located within the Continental U.S. and have both E Mail addresses and Toll Free phone numbers (with the exception of EBay). If you want purchase from EBay you may select Dealers/Sellers from the U.S. thus staying away from those in Asia which eliminates some or most counterfeit clubs. I have never had a problem purchasing from any of the dealers I’ve mentioned. As for clones, they are what they are, inexpensive and good for the beginner or the player that does not or can not pay the big bucks for TaylorMade, Ping, etc. When I decided to start playing again after a lenghtly absence I purchased a set of Callaway clones from T&D Golf in Oldsmar, FL and was extremely pleased with their performance so I can’t knock them.

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M Kravitz August 1, 2011 at 9:54 am

This site sells counterfeits. I ordered Taylormade R11 3 & 5 woods. I then compared ourdiscoungolf counterfeits to the real clubs at the local Las Vegas golf store which sells Taylormade. 1) The club head sizes were too large; 2) the head covers were made of plastic not leather; 3) the shaft lengths were too long for a 3 & 5 wood; 4) the shaft graphics were wrong; 5) the grips were colored when they should have been simple black; 6) the club weight were too heavy; 7) the shafts should have been Blur 70 not 60 (the driver shaft); 8) the serial numbers were not registered with Taylormade and blurry; 9) they used a cheap ill-fitting gasket under the face angle plate with a slightly discolored red plate; and 10) they misaligned the shaft and club head so the the 5 wood loft angle was more than 19 degrees in the “neutral” position. These mistakes were all subtle but prevented adjustment of the club face and loft to the desired position. (I took pictures to demonstrate all of this).

Even the torque wrench was a phony–since it didn’t have a torque setting. DON’T BUT FROM “Our Discount Golf.”

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M Kravitz August 1, 2011 at 9:58 am

http://www.ourdiscountgolf.com sells fakes. The site purports to be out of Chicago. But a DNS search shows a Hong Kong manufacturing company unaffiliated with Taylormade.

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Ken Brown August 1, 2011 at 12:36 pm

i recently purchased a Ping G-10 driver and 3-wood on ebay. I paid about $180 for the driver and $125 for the 3-wood so they weren’t cheap. I found out later that they were counterfeits. I determined this by noting that at address the labeling on the shafts was visible whereas the genuine Ping clubs have the labeling on the underside at address. Other than that that these were very good counterfeits with only very mimimal differences from the genuine Ping clubs. The G10 driver did not sound quite like a Ping should sound so I checked the serial number with Ping, and they confirmed these were fakes.

I wonder if the shafts are genuine and the heads are cheap forgeries or are the shafts fakes also? Anybody have information on this?

I would recommend that no one buy new clubs on ebay as I would estimate that about half are fakes. Buy from TGW or other reputable online retailer.

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KL August 2, 2011 at 10:09 am

Hats off to this site! Great job all! Has anyone dealt with this site? http://timjenkinsgolf.co.uk/
It appears to be legit since the “who is” info points to the correct location and they do leave a lot of company information such as names, contact numbers, etc. Just wondering if anyone has had any good/bad experiences with this site. Thanks

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Peter August 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm

I have recently bought Vega clubs on eBay does anyone know if this brand is regularly faked? I would hope that they are quite rare and therefore not worth forging?

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Chris August 2, 2011 at 7:38 pm

Does anyone knowif greatgolfsales on Ebay is ligit or not?

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M Kravitz August 3, 2011 at 4:27 pm

I recently ordered supposed Taylormade R11 Fairway Woods from OURDISCOUNTGOLF.COM. Since the clubs looked slightly off I compared them to real clubs at our local store. 1) The club head sizes were too large; 2) the head covers were made of plastic not leather; 3) the shaft lengths were too long for a 3 & 5 wood; 4) the shaft graphics were slightly off; 5) the grips were colored when they should have been simple black; 6) the club weights were too heavy; 7) the shafts should have been Fujikura Blur 70 not 60 (the driver’s shaft); and 8)they used a cheap ill-fitting gasket under the face plate which sets the face angle. Even the torque wrench was a phony–since it didn’t have a torque setting. I also checked the serial numbers with Taylormade—they are counterfeit.

I have now turned the matter over to US Customs for their investigation.

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steve burned but wiser August 4, 2011 at 3:30 pm

IGOLFYOO, GOLFSMARTDEAL, GOLFMARTDISCOUNT offer very poorly made taylormade fakes (sold a legit). Swingweights are up to 10 off, bad weights, shafts, grips, etc. This means HUGE playability problems. certified as bad fakes by golfsmith and golfgalaxy. you have very little protection on these international transactions. return shipping can be hugely expensive (iron return quoted by DHL as $240 US). Seller will not agree to pay for returns. Visa offers almost no protection, MC better (am told that they will fight when counterfit — remains to be seen), AMEX best (which is why they probably do not take AMEX)
Also — these guys will post fake blogs saying they are legit.

DONT DO IT

STEVE BURNT BADLY

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Spaceman August 5, 2011 at 12:52 am

Does anyone know if these guys are legit http://www.cheapclubsgolf.com. I have emailed them and they said this – “All clubs are original with serial numbers.Two reasons contribute to the competitive price. Firstly, we deliver the clubs directly from the original factory, which saves a lot; Secondly, we send the clubs as a gift to avoid the tax.” Cheers

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Peter August 6, 2011 at 5:10 am

The fact they say they will send as gift to avoid the import tax alarms me as this is clearly against the law. If they are willing to break the law on import tax, I wouldn’t trust the product.

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ANTI-FAKER August 10, 2011 at 2:03 pm

Go on the website, wait until somebody online wants to help you via chat.
Ask them why they are selling fakes and ask them why they can sell ping online when it is against their policy. I received the message “they are not fakes” so again I asked them how they can sell ping online directly?
——For some reason I got a thanks for communicating message and was cut off :-)
Says it all for me. Don’t trust anyone without researching it first. You can find discounts from geniune online companies.

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jason August 5, 2011 at 6:15 pm

does anyone know anything about this website??
http://www.dhgate.com
its offering all kinds of products at whoesale price
the pictures shown on golf clubs are almost identical to the original
really cant tell the differences from the pictures but the price is so low that caught my eyes

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BPM August 10, 2011 at 6:03 am

Pricing too good to be true? Stay away, they charge 20% to cancel order same day. China company, total rip.

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tyler August 12, 2011 at 11:47 am

i just purchased an order of ap2 irons from bestsalegolf.com, i was just curious if anyone has information on this website as to if there clubs are real or fake, if you could let me know it would be greatly appreciated!

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floyd August 16, 2011 at 11:07 am

has anybody heard or used these before, only had a set sent x22s irons, they have sent ladies clubs by mistake, now will not ship back,not sure where they have come from, there mistake but not intrested in exchanging, possibly get a part refund not much, anybody has issues like this

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Victor August 21, 2011 at 6:38 am

I am thinking of placing an order for a Ping K15 on luckygolf18.com, the price seems too good to be true.

Does anyone have experience with dealing with them? Is the equipment genuine ping or fakes?

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Mike August 22, 2011 at 5:19 pm

Hey any word on this site……just bought some R7 CGB MAX and now im wondering if they are fakes!!!! I asked customer service she guranteed that they were from the original manufacturer and if i didnt like them i could send them right back for full refund…….could someone check out the site and let me know if its a fake or not……thanks

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Genius1 September 4, 2011 at 12:48 pm

I have been to Shezhen were many club manufactures plants are and there are and alot more plants in surrounding cities and in hong kong . There are thousands of club makers and most of them are not for the brand name companies , Most of them produce at best a poor made copy , but there are a few that make an awsome club that you could not tell apart from the ones in your pro shop . Beware that almost all the sites that have been mentioned in this forum are all selling copies and most are probably poor made fakes . Those golfers who have to have the authentic clubs with matching serial numbers and think that will improve thier game , go to your pro shop and get your clubs , and rest easy , Those of you who will buy on ebay take a chance , those of you who want the real thing and try a chinese wbsite , good luck with that , and dont bitch about it later . If you wait till the end of the season you are going to get a great deal on the clubs you want , I always am a year behind on my equipment just for the reason of seeing what is the best that year , then I try it and get my equipment for a great price . No worries .

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leo851 September 5, 2011 at 6:31 am

Anyone have feedback on a site called Onlinegolfwholesaler.com? There prices are much lower then any others I have seen. Just want to see if they are reputable.

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chris September 6, 2011 at 7:53 pm

thegolfhabit. are they legit or not?

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Rod Cavaye September 10, 2011 at 9:52 pm

Beware of a chinese website “golfforsales.com” Unfortunately ordered a TaylorMade Burner and it arrived with the shaft crushed at the grip end. When contacted they ignored the complaint — refused to acknowledge or accept the problem despite sending photos and generally just stone walling or not answering emails that may implicate them in accepting responsibility. They dont know the meaning of customer service and it now looks as though my money is now out the window.

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pedro4jj September 11, 2011 at 6:11 pm

i’ve been thinking about buying a set of used burner irons from globalgolf.com they are apparently in very good condition anyone have any dealings with globalgolf’s idea of “very good” condition? what condition can i expect the clubs to be in? thanks

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Jonas Akeson September 21, 2011 at 10:26 am

Hello!
Does anyone have experience with this site?
http://www.discountpricegolf.com
I am considering buying a Titleist Scotty Cameron Limited Edition Napa putter. The price is $ 169.99 and free shipping to Sweden. Do not know what to believe … Find no complaints when I search on the Internet. Hope someone can give me some feedback.

Greetings Jonas

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Drew October 31, 2011 at 2:16 pm

I too am looking to buy something from them….. did you and was the deal ok ?

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Jonas Akeson November 7, 2011 at 11:11 am

Hi,
I do not dare … seems too good!
You?

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Dennis September 21, 2011 at 1:02 pm

What does anybody know about wholesalegolfmart?

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Denny September 26, 2011 at 9:37 am

Fake clubs from China ChongQing… I am now having dispute with them or over charging me 5X…luckily i check my bank for amount transacted and now waiting for them to cancel or face dispute…

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bruce September 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm

please add golfclubcheap website to list of china fake club companies. they tell you they are real clubs, they are not and string you along about how they will refund your money, not.

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George Ling September 21, 2011 at 3:46 pm

Recently purchased what was suspose to be taylormade R11 driver for 260.00 a good price and about 30-50 less than ebay from supplycheapgolf.com website, total counterfeit had it checked out by Edwin Watts Golf store, and the only way I found out was when I went to make loft adjustment set screw would not tighten clubhead back onto shaft, and I noticied this the first day I received the club originating from China, immediately contacted website via email, phone number does not work and have been getting runaround ever since, avoid this website as it is nothing more than a fraudulent website making money selling counterfeit clubs, hope no one else gets burned like I did.

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Denny September 26, 2011 at 9:03 am

Hi Guys please be aware of this site http://www.wholesalegolfmart.com
I paid iron set for $280 and after reading this site, i cancelled the order and check the bank on the transaction. Found OUT they charged me $1000… currently reported the scam and probably will go under dispute case…NEVER BUY golf sets online…lesson learned hopefully nothing will happen and I hope pple will be aware and someone will shut that company down….Pissed

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mark October 1, 2011 at 10:31 am

gtbshopping.com, any word on this one being legit?

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Larry Wilkins October 9, 2011 at 12:50 am

How very odd,,,,, ,our club Pro said that the so called “fakes” are just overruns churned out by the VERY same people who make these clubs for the big names like Ping Callaway Taylor made etc.They flog a few via the net at vastly lower prices
He has also stripped a couple down and cannot see any difference,and his comment is that most club golfers would do fine using “fakes”.
When you think how much the big 3 sell their products for and the HUGE mark ups they have its no wonder the fakes are popular.
This is simply the Golf retail industry trying to protect their markets,albeit with some dubious claims,but business is business and alls fair in a dog eat dog business,:))

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AWWW_diddums October 12, 2011 at 6:50 am

Any info on this site. I’ve got a feeling it’s fake.
http://Www.Supplywholesalegolf.com.

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Jim Mellor October 16, 2011 at 9:23 am

Has anyone heard of ‘GolfReverie.com’. It’s selling really low price gear. 90% of me says avoid like the plague. Has anyone had any good/bad dealings with them?

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davemk41 October 21, 2011 at 7:27 am

Has anyone used this site they say they ship from usa but still not sure if the clubs are fake

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mark October 23, 2011 at 7:12 pm

One of my friends from work has bought TaylorMade R9′s from this website very very cheaply.
He’s adamant their not fakes.I have since gone onto the website they have some amazing bargains but you can only contact them via email,no address or phone number and guess what their in china.
Buyers beware.

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Paul Gueorgieff October 27, 2011 at 1:20 am

Where does Rockbottomgolf.com get its golf clubs from?
That’s a question that is leaving me very confused following a recent email I sent to Rockbottomgolf.
I asked if they hold accounts for the approved purchased of golf clubs from the manufacturers of such brands as Titleist, Taylormade, Callaway, Cobra, Mizuno and Ping.
In a frank reply, Rockbottomgolf said they do not.
So if they do not get their golf clubs through the proper channels provided by the manufacturers, where on Earth do they get them from? You would have to conclude the clubs must be either counterfeit or some kind of dodgy deal is being done through a side door.
Please inform me if I am missing something, but if Rockbottomgolf does not hold accounts for the authorised purchase of golf clubs from such top brands previously mentioned, is there any other legitimate way of acquiring clubs and for a price that can be competitve on a world scale?
If not, how do the manufacturers allow this to continue, not just for the sake of themselves but more importantly for the integrity of the golf industry?
Paul

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kiefaber455 April 14, 2012 at 2:49 pm

Rockbottom gets their inventory from pro shops, golf courses, and other types of retailers that are going out of business.
Young man that started the company went to Purdue University and was a fraternity brother of a friend of mines son.

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Azreen November 2, 2011 at 1:34 am

Can anyone verify this website. They seem to offer a pretty good deals. I’m just wondering whether it is legit or not

http://www.golfonlinewholesale.com/

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Paul Gueorgieff November 4, 2011 at 12:15 am

You have got to be joking about golfonlinewholesale.com. It has no physical address, some of literature on the website is in pidgin English, telephone number is only for taking orders and amazingly they claim to have sold 10 million sets of clubs. They must have sold every set of clubs in the world.

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andrew worsdale November 7, 2011 at 12:50 pm

http://www.wholesalegolftown.com

legit or not? just seems to cheap to me!

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Paul Gueorgieff November 12, 2011 at 12:59 am

Andrew, I’ll give you some clues to the authenticity of wholesalegolftown.com.
Clue one: Free shipping.
Clue two: It’s online only. It has no physical address, you can’t pop round and see them.
Clue three: Prices are unbelievable.
Clue four: Read carefully the about us citation. It would appear English is not the first language of the author.

My warning to any website with names such as this one. They are praying on suckers who type into their Google search engine words like golf clubs, bargain, discount, wholesale, wharehouse, online, rockbottom, cheap, super cheap, extra super cheap, really extra super cheap..

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TEE1up November 15, 2011 at 10:37 am

I was looking at Japan “Tour Issued” R11 irons on ebay is their anything i should look for to tell if they are fake…Anybody have anything on these?

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Paul Gueorgieff November 15, 2011 at 2:56 pm

First ask yourself what is tour issued — if such a thing exists. If you think it does then consider what kind of player the clubs would be suited too. Someone on a 20 handicap, no; someone on a 12 handicap, no; someone on a 4 handiap, no. If such a thing does exist then surely the clubs would be suited to someone who hits the ball a mile, gets it out of the sweet spot nine times out of 10 and regularly scores par or better. In which category do you come into?
You would better suited going to a trusted local outlet who will fit you to the clubs that best suit you and provide the confidence the clubs are the genuine article.

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james November 22, 2011 at 8:32 pm

I have taken the time to read all of the posts and am astounded that some many people are asking the same thing- is this club offered at 25% of the normal retail price a fake-duh?

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Alan November 24, 2011 at 2:06 pm

Hi, thank heaven I have found this site, I am looking to buy some Ping G20 irons from “supergolfstore.co.uk” I am a little bit worried that the cost of £240 seems too good. Have you or any of your readers had any experience with this company either good or bad. Your genuine help will be greatly appreciated, thank you

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JB November 25, 2011 at 10:13 am

Here is another one (www.idealgolfstore.com). Website set up in Oct 2011 and prices appear to be too good to be true.

What do you’ll think?

JB

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Paul Gueorgieff November 26, 2011 at 3:12 am

Alan,
Some early clues, if you really need them.
Clue one: Unbelievable prices. Do you really need any more clues.
Clue two: No physical address.
Clue three: Is there a contact telephone number and is it only for sales only, you can’t ask them where they are.
Clue four: Free shipping
Clue five: Don’t look at the pictures of golf clubs. They are easily copied. Instead look at the about us citation. One sentence reads: Main products: golf clubs, golf bags, golf balls, golf hats, golf gloves, golf towel, golf socks, golf shoes, greens fork ball, ball tray, and so on.
Why on Earth would a golf website say golf clubs, golf bags, golf balls, golf hats, golf gloves, golf socks etc. Surely someone with a reasonable command of the English language would say clubs, bags, balls, hat, gloves etc. Did you also notice they said golf towel. Have they only got one golf towel or is that Chinese speak for golf towels. They also have something called greens fork balls and a ball tray. They obvsiouly only have only one ball tray or maybe, again, that is Chinese speak for ball trays and please inform me what greens fork balls are.

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Alan November 26, 2011 at 7:49 am

Paul,

Good reply, lol. I agree with all you said, i guess I just hoped someone would have said “yes it is genuine” however assessing your Chinese jive, I will avoid this and save my £240. Cheers

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tony November 26, 2011 at 3:59 pm

stay away from this seller,, the-tour-van,, quite a joke, guy working out of his apartment flipping stuff he buys from china and ebay, quite the joke, fake shafts, pulls, etc… has no industry knowledge and here things about this dude constantly on every golf website there is. tons of guys getting burned by this guy. evidently he works at a croquet club, how this qualifes him to know anything about golf is absurd, buyers beware..

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Eric December 19, 2011 at 2:10 pm

Fascinating topic and good comments. Basically, if it is too good to be true, it is.
But the club manufacturers are not in a good spot. I DETEST any manufacturer that FIXES A PRICE. This is exactly what club makers are doing. Requiring a retailer to have a fixed price is asking for clones or gray market items.
I have a personal experience with gray market items with a nice watch I bought. Tag Heurer has a network of retailers that exclusively sell their product (Just like many club makers have with the golf stores). But Tag requires stores to sell at a certain price point so as to not compete with each other. However, it offers discounts for retailers that sell higher volumes. The problem is that retailers that want to sell a lot can’t sell them at the mandated price….thus the gray market.
Some retailers resorted to purchasing lots of watches needed to get the volume discount, but not being able to sell at the price they were required. So they sold through the gray market. They removed serial numbers from authentic watches to eliminate the tracing of the product and sold them through internet storefronts that do not have the original retailer’s name. These are authentic watches at a third off retail. And this was all brought about due to fixed pricing by the manufacturer. If Tag could trace the product, they would ban the retailer ever getting a shipment again.
The proof is that companies like Costco could probably double the product sales of a high-end club, but manufacturers would never sell to them because Costco would want to sell at a significant discount. Costco would have profit through volume, not through mandated markups.
Needless to say, I won’t be buying from some Chinese storefront. I wish we could change the economic and regulatory environment in this country to get our manufacturing back. I consciously buy American whenever I have the chance and even at a higher cost. But more often than not, I no longer have a choice.

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mod December 19, 2011 at 6:05 pm

anyone know if these guy are legit.

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mod December 21, 2011 at 8:16 am

anyone know anything about discountpricegolf.com

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Paul Gueorgieff December 23, 2011 at 2:55 am

Mod,

I am surprised you are even asking.

First of all the name of the website discountpricegolf.com. The perfect name for suckers like yourself who type into their google search engine the word golf followed by such words as discount, warehouse, sale, rockbottom, cheap, super cheap, unbelieveably cheap, really unbelieveably cheap, really really unbelievably cheap.

Don’t look at the pictures or words relating to the golf clubs. Such information is easily copied from the manufactuers’ websites and of course will look the real deal.

Instead look at something they might have had to write themselves. For example under the heading of Retail Operations you will see that the sentences are not very well constructed and the choice of some words is very Chinese speak.

Did they list a physical address? Did they have a telephone number which is not for sales only?

Do the right thing and purchase from your local retailer and be assured of receiving the genuine article.

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matt December 22, 2011 at 8:32 am

looking at this site saw callaway razr x irons 3-9ps, for 388.00 are they la git

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matt December 22, 2011 at 9:04 am

sorry, web site is called actioncustomgolfclubs. Sawa set of callaway razr x 3-9ps for 388.00 wanted to know if this site is la git thanks

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Paul Gueorgieff December 23, 2011 at 3:14 am

Matt,

Dear oh dear Matt, you need help. Did you read the first few sentences about themselves? I don’t think English is their first language. A fool and his money are easily parted.

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matt December 23, 2011 at 6:04 am

thanks Paul

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Ken December 28, 2011 at 9:03 am

Anyone seen this web site as advertising Taylor made R11 set for 689 including woods putter and bag?

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WactownJB December 29, 2011 at 8:58 pm

avoid the fakes, buy Adams Golf equipment

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cynical golfer March 11, 2012 at 8:59 am

Are you implying that all Adams clubs are genuine? Why are they exempt from being faked? I ask this, because I would like to get a set of a12 os.

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brian January 4, 2012 at 1:52 pm

Has anyone bought from golfsalesman.com as their prices seem too cheap.Wondered if they were fakes.

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Paul Gueorgieff January 5, 2012 at 1:28 pm

Brian,

Does the website have a pysical address? Of course not.
Does it have a telephone number other than for sales only? Of course not.
Did you read the refunds and returns policy? Did you notice is was hard to understand, it started one sentence with a lower case letter and that it used American spelling when it is trying to pass itself off as a British website with prices in pounds sterling.
Remember pictures of golf clubs are easily copied from the manufacturers’ websites and therefore will give the appearance of the genuine article.
Brian, do the right thing, go to your local retailer and if something goes wrong you know exactly where to go back.

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Colin January 7, 2012 at 2:53 am

Very interesting debate. I recently considered ordering a set of Taylormade R11 irons of a website. Factory-golf.com #4-#9 PW, SW and AW all for $339. I though it was an American site. It wasn’t until I checked the “Contact us” info that I found it was in China. I’m not saying they are selling counterfeit clubs, but the deal is too good to be true and I’m walking away.
What’s your thoughts on these company websites. Do you think these are also selling counterfeit products..?

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Howie W January 9, 2012 at 10:20 am

I live in U.K. and have been searching for a new set of clubs on the internet and came across your very useful pages. One thing I’ve noticed while trawling different sites is that some of the ones with the “To Good To Be True” offers seem to have very similar web page designs to other ify sites, or when you click on a product you are redirected to another web site.So these may well be other indications of dodgy sites.

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2puttpar January 9, 2012 at 11:47 am

Anyone have any feedback with these sites?

Budgetgolf.com

discountgolfworld.com

Most prices seem reasonable, just want to make sure I dont get ripped…

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Danielle January 11, 2012 at 8:56 am

I bought small balls and callaway carry bag from Budget golf. Seemed to be ok and good service. Bags are made in china anyway! We have two bags – the other was bought in the USA from a shop, thus they are both similar.

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Steve January 9, 2012 at 7:26 pm

Anyone know how to get hold of a company with the web site wholesalegolfplace.com ? I have tried and they have no address or phone #. They work out of the U.K. and the junk they sell comes from China.

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Danielle January 11, 2012 at 8:54 am

I purchased Callaway Edge irons from onlinegolfwholesaler.com. The site looks liggit, even has a USA address in Chicago, USA telephone number!!! I am not good enough to know where the IP is from or how to check. As soon as I received the receipt I knew I had been done. That was the first sign but it was already too late. They sent me some clubs which smelt bad, rubberish and the print on the shaft really gave it away. I have contacted them and asked for serial numbers and answers….I expect a refund. They said they would answer my quirry but I doubt it. I am ready to do WAR!!! These guys just go too far. Its not so much about being cheap clubs bc in the end maybe one save $50-100 bucks, but their set ups are very sophisticated now. Why should a buyer waste time in checking who is real, (i am not IT tech) when the governements or controlling agencies should help more here? Get them off line! Block their IP.
What made it worst was that the clubs were a present for my partner, to which I can not give now. Feel sad, very embaressed.

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Andrew Straw January 11, 2012 at 3:51 pm

I myself got counterfeit golf clubs however I thought I had done all I could to ensure it didn’t happen to me” Genuine, Serial No, Photos, emails and checked counterfeit lists even spoke to a client who purchased them prior to me and he confirmed the where genuine or so he thought, what I received was far from genuine and to cut a long store short there’s no money refund its gone just a settlement figure and they cut you off once you start to make a noise. So there’s a lot of people asking questions and a lot of opinions out there and from what I can see who’s helping who what are the Brands doing about it I have contacted one and they sure know about it but cannot help not even give advise on where to report such a fake site to warn people off. So my opinion is that the brands and the golf associations whom keep promoting golf and making billions should start to provide a better awareness about fake golf manufactures. So do contact the brand you are looking for and ask for your nearest outlet then there genuine there no such thing as an OEM i have been told.
I’m considering looking into the law about a name and shame list not that I can stop it just make people aware, there are some websites that list them but not great as I found out there’s to many forums and not enough Help/ action that my opinion.
Fake: http://www.enjoymygolf.com
Report counterfeit: http://www.counterfeitalertnetwork.com.au or http://www.ic3.gov

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Grizz January 12, 2012 at 2:40 am

http://www.golfclubspy.com looks like another one to stay clear of.. Offering free delivery due to clubs being sent as a ‘gift’. Anyone else heard or know anything about the website?

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Danielle January 13, 2012 at 7:33 am

An idea, as this list is getting longer and at times repeatative, could a short list be generated some where to list the web pages mentioned?

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budgie January 14, 2012 at 9:56 am

Hi – Interesting reading and I now fear I’ve been scammed.
http://onlinebuyinggolf.com is a site I’ve used to purchase a new set of irons.
The site has good reviews – via a basic Google search – and professes to be selling from the US.
However, my order is being tracked from Hong Kong and has been sent via DHL.
Has anyone bought kit from this site?

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George January 18, 2012 at 5:36 pm

well seeing the website and knowing has been posted from hong kong i can tell you are fake!!!
If you check the website where you bought and check the others website from the other people that posted here you will see that all of them are made in the same way!!!check yourself and you will see!!!!!
Another way that could help everyone to see where the goods come from,before place your order just ask a question to the seller if could be possible have the goods posted by EMS or check your self at their websites at the voice “shipping” and if is positive that means come from china!!!!!EMS is a service that only china have and use……

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Thomas January 15, 2012 at 7:06 pm

Hi. I just bought a set of Taylormade Tour Preferred CB irons 4-PW and AW standard steel shafts via Rockbottomgolf.com for $499. I spoke to a couple of friends and they said that this (RBG) company is very legitimate and that they have actually purchased from this company several times. I also read quite a few good reviews about the company. I just want to make sure that these clubs are real and not fake. Should I be worried? The image of the head of the 5 iron that RBG shows on their website for this club is turned at a different angle compared to all of the other websites and their pictures of the same club. It appears that there are differences. Could this be possible? I should receive the clubs in a few days.

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Paul Gueorgieff January 23, 2012 at 12:48 pm

Thomas,

Don’t be an idiot. Rockbottom has previously said it does not receive its golf clubs through the authorised channels provided by the big brands like Titleist, Callaway, Taylormade, Mizuno, Ping and Cobra. So ask yourself where on Earth does it get it golf clubs from?
The world is full of counterfeit clubs and it is only now that most people are realising the magnitude of the disception as person after person gets stung.
Do the right thing, go to your local retailer, handle the clubs, hit some balls with them, ask questions, get the right club for you, not copies of the pretty pictures you see on the internet.

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Don January 24, 2012 at 5:54 pm

Has anyone bought from this site. They even put on their site that they are an authorized Muzuno sales organization.

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John January 25, 2012 at 9:56 am

Hi. Is CHICAGOGOLFCO on ebay a legitimate dealer? Is it safe to buy an ironset from them (New Adams Idea Black CB2 irons 6-PW+AW $299.99)

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Rory January 26, 2012 at 11:50 am

hi could you tell me if this website is genuine or not please http://www.factory-golf.com/
cheers.

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Jeff Broughton January 28, 2012 at 7:52 pm

Yes I am an idiot and got two clubs online. Value of $193 5 days ago.

Are there any options for me to get my money back?

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Peter February 5, 2012 at 10:48 pm

Has anybody purchased golf clubs from igolftimes.com? Are they legit? Their price for siem clubs seemed very low.
Thanks.

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matt March 3, 2012 at 12:59 pm

Peter, I have the same question. Did you ever get an answer? Prices just dont seem right. Currently you can by a $300 Taylormade driver and get a Scotty Cameron putter free. Just seems to good to be true.

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Luis February 6, 2012 at 8:09 pm

My co-worker bought from buyinggolfonline.com. He’s been using his new clubs and they look great. Are the clubs fake?

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Tim February 7, 2012 at 9:09 am

Does anybody know if http://www.wholesalegolfmall.com are genuine? Their prices seem good but not outrageously so. Thanks for any info.

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Claude T. February 13, 2012 at 1:58 pm

I get sale flyers from reputable dealers like TGW & Edwin Watts, etc. I consider these to be authentic. They always have some ‘clearence’ items that I assume are outdated. Perhaps last years models. Should I consider these to be legit?

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Louis February 14, 2012 at 2:02 pm

Please be careful and don’t be cheated at “http://www.wholesaleclubsgolf.com”.
Their sale must be almost counterfeits goods.
As looking below, when I checked serial number about which I ordered, it was turned out fake goods.
“Thank you for contacting Mizuno USA. We ran the serial number from your e-mail, and we were not able to pull up any specifications. The serial number matches some older order numbers of ours from 2008. This is a major concern since the JPX series irons did not come out until September of 2010. We advise you to double check the location to where you made the purchase. It is possible that they could be a counterfeit product.”

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Paul Gueorgieff February 15, 2012 at 2:28 am

Tim,
Have you looked closely at the website or just the pretty pictures of golf clubs with amazing prices?
I am surprised you have to even ask if this website is legitimate. Have you read the about us citation? Read it with a Chinese accent and the broken English, missing words and lack of appropriate use of plurals will become abundandtly clear — even for someone lacking in basic perception like yourself.
I bet you typed into your Google search engine the worlds golf clubs followed by such words as cheap, bargain, wholesale, really cheap, rockbottom, really super cheap.
I am sure I have seen a website very similar to this one under a different name but as one closes down another starts up because suckers like yourself think they are getting a bargain. Don’t be an idiot any longer. Go to your local retailer, see the clubs for yourself, ask questions, hit some balls with them and make an informed decision.

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Jon Walker February 15, 2012 at 6:49 am

Has anyone ever dealt with a website called:

http://www.golf-m-clubs.com

I am very skeptical on this website as the written English looks terrible and there is no sign of their registration with UK companies house on the register.

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Charles February 15, 2012 at 6:12 pm

Has anybody ever bought anything off of worldgolfsupplies on ebay? If so, was it real?

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aaron February 17, 2012 at 3:59 pm

i’ve been looking to buy the new ping g20 irons. PGA store has for $799 a set. i found some on http://www.golfdiscount4sale.com... i’m pretty sure they are a fraud website since they had for sale at $329. and it’s 3-9 and SW. i guess they don’t sell a PW.. as anyone else heard of this website??

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Jeff February 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm

I was wondering if anyone has heard or had any experience http://www.sunnygolfclubs.com ?
There prices for the most part are inline with rockbottomgolf.com but then there are a few prices that really make you think. Callaway RazrX iron set for $369!!

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dude July 18, 2012 at 6:33 pm

Jeff,

I looked up the website credibility too and found it had a VERY POOR wot rating which is composed of trustworthiness and vendor credibility.

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Paul Gueorgieff February 19, 2012 at 9:36 pm

Jeff,

Why would you want to make a comparison with Rockbottomgolf.com when Rockbottomgolf has previously admitted it does not receive golf clubs through the authorised channels provided by the makers of such big brands as Titleist, Ping, Callaway, Mizuno, Taylormade, Cobra etc?

Ask yourself, if the clubs do not come through the proper channels, then where on Earth do they get them from? They obviously have to come through unauthorised channels. Is that a business you wish to trade with or rely on?

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Duane February 19, 2012 at 9:55 pm

Paul
I have been dealing with Rockbottomgolf for years. Your comments are ill-founded and clearly unqualified.
I have received literally thousands of items from RBG and have absolutely no doubt they are legitimate and reliable.

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Paul Gueorgieff February 20, 2012 at 1:48 am

Duane,
It gives me great pleasure to reply to your comments that my accusations about Rockbottom are ill-founded and unqualified.
Towards the end of last year I asked the following question of Rockbottom: “Is it true Rockbottom does not hold an account for the approved purchase of golf clubs from the manufacturers of Titleist, Taylormade, Callaway, Cobra, Ping and Mizuno?”
That was the exact question I asked and it was the only question I asked.
The exact reply was: “We are not an authorized dealer but obey all company warranties for the products that are sold.”
So I repeat my accusation. Rockbottom does not get it golf clubs of the brands of Titleist, Taylormade, Ping, Cobra, Mizuno through authorised channels. It therefore must get them through unauthorised channels.
Could you please tell me what is ill-founded or unqualified about that? You say you have purchased thousands of items from Rockbottom. I hope none were golf clubs of any of the previously mentioned brands.

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Fred February 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm

Has anyone ever done business with bobsbettergolf on ebay? The store web address is http://stores.ebay.com/bobsbettergolf, they seem OK and very responsive, any info is appreciated.

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Duane February 20, 2012 at 8:12 pm

Paul. You expression of ‘pleasure’ whilst participating in this forum is a worry. I get my thrills in more conventional ways, but that is beside the point.
I’m not sure that it follows that if a seller doesn’t have an account with a major manufacturer that they must sell fakes – talk about a stretch in logic! Anyway, RBG get most of their stock through closeout/overstock activities – i.e. from major retailres (hence no accounts with the OEMs).
Now I assume you are equipped to research (I did mine), and a little digging you would have found this newspaper article (i.e. not published by the company):
ROCHESTER, N.Y.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–RockBottomGolf.com, a top internet golf retailer, announced today that the company has been named by Entrepreneur Magazine as one of America’s fastest growing companies in their annual “Hot 500” list published in their August 2007 issue. RockBottomGolf.com ranked 159th out of 500 and had a 586% growth over four years between 2002 and 2006.

Since its founding by three high school friends in 2000, RockBottomGolf.com has grown to more than $21.4 million in revenue by 2006. RockBottomGolf.com is one of the largest Internet golf sites in the world specializing in closeout golf merchandise. RockBottomGolf.com offers a wide variety of name brand golf merchandise including Callaway, Mizuno, Adams, Wilson, Taylor Made, Nike, Tommy Armour, Ogio and more. RockBottomGolf.com supports the needs for golfers around the world. With its strategic carrier agreements, RockBottomGolf.com is able to serve more than 30 countries in the world in 3 days or less allowing everyone to enjoy RockBottomGolf.com deals as well as Rock Bottom shipping rates. In 2006, RockBottomGolf.com saw record sales and launched their multi-channel online strategy across Shopping.com, Google, Amazon.com, Yahoo!, Overstock.com, BizRate, PriceGrabber.com and many others. RockBottomGolf.com has over a 99.8% customer approval rating between all the marketplaces they sell on and market in.

“We’re excited to be recognized by such a prestigious magazine and named to Entrepreneur Magazine’s 500 list,” says Todd Rath, Chief Operating and Marketing Officer of RockBottomGolf.com. “Our team’s dedication, hard work and commitment have enabled us to grow our business at a rapid pace and become one of the top golf sites worldwide.”

According to Entrepreneur, the Hot 500 rankings are compiled with the help of Corporate Research Board, a research organization. Entrepreneur and CRB started with CRB’s database of more than 19 million U.S. businesses and considered only those businesses that met the following criteria:

* Must have been founded no earlier than 1998 and no later than 2002
* Company sales in 2002 must be $100,000 or greater; 2006 sales must not exceed $1 billion
* Must have positive job growth between 2002 and 2006
* Must have a minimum level of sales growth or a sales growth quantifier of 1 or higher between 2002 and 2006; the growth quantifier is a measurement that combines percentage and absolute growth.

Only 95,000 businesses — or 0.5 percent of the 19 million businesses — met the above criteria. Entrepreneur then contacted the businesses with the greatest growth to confirm eligibility. To be eligible, the founder must be actively involved in the company, the company cannot be a spinoff or a division of a larger company, and company sales for 2006 must be at least $1 million. From this list, the Hot 500 was selected.

The Hot 500 list can be found on the Entrepreneur Website at http://www.entrepreneur.com/magazine/hot500/index.html.

About Rock Bottom Golf

RockBottomGolf.com, a top Internet golf retailer prides itself on bringing rock bottom prices to all its customers known as ‘Rock Heads’. Founded in 2000, by Todd Rath, Tom Rath and Shannon Smith, the RockBottomGolf.com team utilizes their education and past work experience in technology, engineering, and finance to make their systems and processes as efficient as possible. Quality products, fast and stellar service is what makes RockBottomGolf.com what it is today, one of the largest Internet golf sites in the world specializing in closeout golf merchandise. Their products can be found at http://www.rockbottomgolf.com and http://www.rockbottomgolfballs.com. RockBottomGolf.com is headquartered in Rochester, NY with their distribution center located in Suffolk, VA.

Anyway – no doubt you will find holes in this, but I urge you to put your ego aside and humbly admit you may not have all the facts on this one?

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PaulG February 26, 2012 at 3:18 am

Duane,

Yes I had read that article previously. To me it read more like an advertisement than a worthy news story. I have no idea who Bussiness Review is or its standing within the world of journalism but I am not about to dispute the accuracy of the figures mentioned.
But I would point out the article is more than five years old and some of the figures go back more than 10 years. I think Rockbottom’s star has long since waned.
You say Rockbottomgolf receives many of its good from major retailers. Who are these major retailers and why can’t the major retailers sell the same goods at reduced prices and save on any losses? I think it is a very fanciful term to believe, as you put it, that Rockbottom gets it goods from closeouts or overstock activities.
I repeat that Rockbottom admitts it does not hold accounts with many major golf brands for the authorised purchase of golf clubs. I would not be dealing with a company like that for my golf clubs.

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Roy February 23, 2012 at 11:15 pm

Hi

Can anyone confirm that Igolftimes are legit and provide authentic clubs

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help me February 27, 2012 at 12:12 pm

Budgetgolf.com

Fake or Genuine?

Prices are pretty good

Nike SV wedges are 49.99!

HELP or resources would be appreciated

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Joe March 3, 2012 at 11:32 pm

Anybody know anything about perfectoutdoorgame.com????

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Samuel Moon March 4, 2012 at 6:12 am

Has anyone ever checked out http://www.taylormadewarehouse.com nearly bought something off there but then came across your site. It seems way to cheap to be real. What do you guys think?

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sean robertson March 9, 2012 at 12:52 am

Hello,

i recently purchased a set of Callaway Razr clubs from http://www.golfdiscounttown.com and am hugely concerned that i have been scammed.does anyone have any info on these guys?
im new to online buying and hope my first major purchase doesn’t leave a bad taste in my mouth.

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Cynical Golfer March 11, 2012 at 7:24 am

I like to purchase as muck as possible from the ‘small local business’. I’m looking at a set of Adams a12 os at a local golf retailer. He is not on the Adams authorized list. I prefer not to use his name. Does this mean the clubs are bogus????

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Cynical Golfer March 11, 2012 at 5:29 pm

I am looking at a sale catalog from Edwin Watts, certainly one of the most highly regarded golf retailers ever. On the rear page I see Ping G15 irons, Burner Superfast Driver/Fairway Woods/Irons at prices lower than normal prices. I believe these brands have prices that retailers are not supposed to reduce. Can someone explain how a respected retailer can cut supposedly fixed prices???????

Notice my name on this comment.

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Richard H March 11, 2012 at 5:54 pm

Hello guys! Past 20 years, I have see so many different golf clubs and some of them were fake last five years ago. I read all on this post as I knew everyone can lead to scam if they order cheap price from strange name business. Please listen very careful – I recommend not order any golf club from the internet as not famous golf business name from oversea! Best way for you, go to your favorite local golf store as Golfsmith or Edwin Watts and they are happy to measure, fitting, how fast you swing, computer check and you order the golf club as you play very good golf game!

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albert March 12, 2012 at 1:41 pm

did anyone ever anything from warehouse 100 they are in hong kong

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Patrik March 13, 2012 at 6:02 am

Has anyone ever done business with http://www.kfcgolf.com/? They claim:

“Me 13:42:41 . I am just asking about the quality of this product, because due to some information (eg – http://www.mygolfspy.com/fake-counterfeit-golf-clubs/) I dont want to buy counterfeits.
Customer Service 13:44:52 The clubs are OEM products, the same quality as the origials. No worries.
Customer Service 13:45:38 We take the clubs from factory directly, cutting the middleman. That’s why we could sell them at such favorable price.

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thetruth March 13, 2012 at 12:06 pm

of course they are phony…$399 for 2012 Mizuno MP59? Thats less than cost. Yes, they go directly to the manufacturer, as they say…it’s true. Only the manufacturer is not Mizuno but a Chinese sweatshop. So, technically, they are not lying.
Notice they say “the same quality as the origials (originals)”…because they are not original!!!
How many more need to ask if 2012 top quality irons and drivers can be found at less than half the cost as everywhere else???

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Richard H March 13, 2012 at 7:25 pm

AGAIN! I hate to see you all type about so many different business names by the internet as you believe that price is cheaper or unsure if that company make the golf club from other country. PLEASE DON’T DO IT! My friend told me the name of golf business and said from Chicago. When he got a package and realized that address from China. He played with the club for few times as very bad and want to trade in with different club, but the Golfsmith rejected it, because the shaft is cheap and fake label. I searched on the internet and found Callaway Razr Fit driver for $199. Do you believe it? I don’t believe that price is so low and DON’T ORDER. That is very scam! DON’T SEARCH THE INTERNET FOR CHEAP PRICE GOLF CLUB! GO TO YOUR LOCAL GOLF STORE AND PAY RIGHT PRICE GOLF CLUB!

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Cynical Golfer March 14, 2012 at 8:14 am

Can the small local golf shop or golf pro shop get OEM clubs from a valid source if they are not on the ‘approved retailers’ list?? How????? What questions should I ask?

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David March 15, 2012 at 6:00 am

hey guys thanks for the tips!!

I found this website called http://www.discountgolftown.com/ I am not sure if they are providing with original titleist because their price is so fxxxxn cheap so wanna ask you guys whether you know about this website!

Cheers!

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Huntygowk March 15, 2012 at 6:46 am

Wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole.

Reading their ‘About Us’ section you can tell from the english that it is not their first language. They have no links to verified payment providers/certificates either, and no geographical contact address. Most likely it’s based in China somewhere.

It’s up to you but if it were me I’d steer clear of them.

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Richard H March 15, 2012 at 5:45 pm

Ahh, you think that price is cheap on the internet? DON’T DO IT! Last few years ago, my friend who believe that internet cost cheap price for golf iron set than here. He got the package from UPS what I saw. He bring that iron club to me at my home. I checked the swing weight on each iron. From four to PW are not same as Callaway golf set. Iron four – D2, Iron five – D0, Iron six – E1, Iron seven – D1, etc. As you see, because China people didn’t set up the corrrect swingweight as they want your money! My irons were same swingweight from Callaway here.

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Dave March 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm

Has anyone ever dealt with great golf sales on e bay

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help me March 19, 2012 at 10:52 am

How about this?
EVERYONE STOP!
Stop asking about the possibility of counterfit clubs!
Stop asking about reputeable sites!

Go to a Roger Dunn or golf Galaxy get your clubs there. Then there is NO question as to the legitamacy. IS your sanity really worth the extra $30-$40 dollars of savings?

With that said, reputable sights IMO
Rock Bottom Golf:
February 14th I ordered Nike wedges, a 52 and 60 degree. Came within 4 days, no issues, clubs are great and legit by confirming at local Roger Dunn.

Budget Golf:
In October I ordered a 56 degree wedge (NIKE) it came within a week, and also confirmed legit at my local roger dunn…

I took the risk, you can now reap the reward. AGAIN, if you still have to question it buy in person. Lastly, use common sense… if a brand new R11 driver is advertised as $200 off its most defenitely not legit…

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Mooseman March 21, 2012 at 3:24 pm

help me there is only one problem with your theory. It is that golf club manufacturers are participating in the biggest price fixing scheme I can remember. The fact that the retailers are in on it also is another story. Retail stores such as, Golfsmith, Golf Galaxy, and others must sign pricing agreements with the manufacturer before they are allowed to sell their clubs. I am sorry but I don’t believe this practice is legal and the lawyers have worded the agreements so to be able to skirt the law. Have you ever noticed the exception wording on any of the sales you see from any of the big retailers. The only way any of the major clubs are included in any form of sale is when the manufacturer informs the retailer that they want to put certain items on sale, possibly to clear inventory. I agree if someone finds a set of new customizable clubs for $200.00 – 300.00 or more off common sense should prevail and many questions should be asked. But I also think the retailers should be able to set their prices for new clubs since the manufacturers are going to get their money anyway and would possibly get even more if they relaxed this price fixing.

Regards

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Jim March 22, 2012 at 11:27 am

Is BestPriceGolfShop.com a legitimate business or knockoffs?

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Tim Guest March 27, 2012 at 12:30 pm

Has anyone heard of Cheapgolfsale.co.uk

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Pat Patterson March 28, 2012 at 8:34 am

Has anyone bought clubs from this web sight? They are offering Mizuno MP 59 irons for $408.00. They claim to be a factory authorized dealer. Would like to know if this is true and are they selling genuine or fake clubs

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Earl Blair March 28, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Ever hear of a online site cheapgolf4u is this a legit online store or a bogas one selling fakes

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PaulG April 2, 2012 at 2:29 am

Another sucker. Earl I’ll bet you typed into your Google search engine the words golf clubs followed by words such as discount, warehouse, rockbottom, bargain, cheap, super cheap, really super cheap, really really super super cheap. And guess what you came up with cheapgolf4u. Look for the sign posts. Does it have a telephone number which is not just for taking orders, does it have a physical address for an actual retail outlet, does it offer free delivery throughout the world. I’ll save you the time. The answers will be no, no and no.

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PaulG April 3, 2012 at 4:24 am

I sent off an email to cheapgolf4u and received a very interesting reply. I think it about sums up the hundreds of bogus online golf retailers around the world. If you read it with a Chinese accent, all will become abundantly clear. It read exactly as follows:-
“Dear sir,
Thank you so much for interesting in our clubs and website. We ship out our clubs from our oversea supplire directly, and the clubs are 100% real and brand new. We have no retail outlet and offer online service only.
Any other question, please feel free to contact us.
Regards.
sally.
http://www.golfrealdeal.com

One of the questions I asked was where they get there golf clubs from. I note they did not say from the golf club manufacturers but instead “oversea supplire”. I wonder where oversea is? Shenzhen perhaps?

Do you need any more proof of the golf scams that abound on the internet?

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Dwayne March 29, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Has anyone heard of this website ? They claim to have the new Ping G20 irons for $379. When I questioned their online customer service they said these are original Pings with serial numbers ?

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PaulG April 2, 2012 at 2:11 am

Really Dwayne. I thought they would have said the clubs are all fake and that they had made up the serials numbers.

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Nick April 4, 2012 at 9:33 am

I am not sure if that website came up in the post or not. Here it is again. http://www.discountshopgolf.com/discount-Mizuno-MP-69-Irons-3-9P-Golf-Club-Graphite–Steel-371.html
Has anyone seen this place before?

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David Mortimer April 11, 2012 at 10:12 pm

Hi Nick.
Unfortunately I have. Bought a set of Mizuno jpx800 pros (which were stamped forged,not Pros) I questioned Mizuno Australia about this who told me this was the Japanese model.
All good? No!! Took them to Drummond golf for bending 2degrees upright and they snapped. Sent a head to Mizuno who told me they were copies. This was after golfwholesaleshop had assured me they were genuine.Steer clear. David.

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Richard H April 4, 2012 at 6:28 pm

Hello-

I read too many messages on this site and everyone need to be careful! Don’t order anything from any website to sell cheap cost for golf clubs. I have see so many times and I never order anything from the internet, because they were making some money from you while you play poor golf game!

Let me tell you what! My friend who work for the Golfsmith and he is very tired of see people bring fake club to trade in with other clubs. That store will reject it. Please think about it and don’t order anything from oversea sell the golf club to America!

When you see many golf cluib sell cheap on any website, that is simple, just click on contact us. When you see Chicago. I see about 30 different website under many different name of business while same “contact us” and see Chicago. All of them show Chicago. When you get the package and you can see china on return address! That is biggest joke! Please don’t do it.

If you really want good quality golf club, go to your local golf store and they will give you fitting and measure and you buy the golf club from them!

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Centrald April 6, 2012 at 8:10 am

Does anyone know of a site called ksouth9 based out of southeast USA

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Patrick April 10, 2012 at 10:37 pm

First off I just want to thank u for this blog…it has really opened my eyes to this world of fake clubs. I am looking to get a set of Ping V2′s and have found multiple website with similar prices. Just wanted ur opinion if these are safe or stay away from them.

http://www.golfonlinedeal.com/392-Ping-Rapture-V2-Irons.html

http://www.bestwebshop.co.uk/ping-rapture-v2-irons-p-244:84f72ca761dab049f016fe8313551b65.html

http://www.gfseller.com/Ping-Rapture-V2-Green-Dot–Irons-3-9PS-1146.html

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PaulG April 12, 2012 at 5:25 pm

Patrick,

Don’t be an idiot. No physical address, misspellings on website and free delivery throughout the world. All three websites are probably the same corrupt organisation.

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Puzzled Hacker April 12, 2012 at 8:07 pm

After looking at the tremendous number of comments on this website, haw can anyone be so (expletive deleted) stupid to ask “is website www. xxxxxxxxxxxx.com really a legitimate outlet”? Don’t any of you idiots have any small grain of common sense???

Go buy last years clubs from a legitimate retailer if you’re short on money. Or go to WalMart. Their clubs ain’t too bad.

Anyway, you can’t buy a golf game, and some of you are apparently too ignorant to learn.

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TimG April 13, 2012 at 12:00 am

If you looking for a bargain when buying new clubs try going to the more independent retailers rather than the bigger corporations like American Golf, Nevada Bobs, etc.. as the independents have more scope to cut a better deal. Just got a cracking deal on a new set of AP1′s with a trade in on my Callaways at the pro shop at my local driving range.

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Puzzled April 24, 2012 at 1:39 pm

But I thought the manufacturers prohibited the price cutting. I visited a dealer at a flea market where he displayed a sign claiming to be an ADAMS distributre, but offered to sell a set of A12OS irons at a ‘wholesale’ price. Is he cheaing? I am very cynical, but also kinda cheap.

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kiefaber455 April 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm

One thing I’ve not seen in the many postings here is the how these items were paid for.
I have a friend who purchased an R11 driver from gfsellers.com. The website was not a secured site and B of A has had to give him a new account number.
Now, it will be interested to see what happens when the driver is delivered because one, it had a 30 day money back guarantee and two, because he paid with a credit card he feels he might be able to dispute the charges if he finds that the item is counterfeit.
On a side note, I emailed them–there 24/7 hotline was not working–about purchasing a set of Ping G15 irons ($319 w/graphite shafts). I wanted to know if I could possible have the serial numbers off the clubs before I purchased them. Interesting reply in the grammar aspect and the non-commital aspect. Here is their reply:

“As our clubs will be directly shipped from our supplier, so we can’t send the serial numbers to you. Sorry for the inconvenience.
All of our clubs are brand new, 100% from the original factory, with high quality and excellent performance. Please rest assured to purchase from us.
Anything else, please feel free to contact us.
Welcome your purchase.”

Beware, the clubs may be new, and from the factory that makes legit clubs during the day, however, they don’t claim to be OEM quality.

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The Eagle April 21, 2012 at 4:02 am

Hi all,

Just a bit of advice for those of you who have been unfortunate enough to buy fake clubs. I ordered a set of Ping G20 irons from http://www.ukgolfmall.com, retail price £470, but on sale at £240 here. In retrospect, this looked too good to be true, and was. The clubs arrived yesterday and are fake, very poor fakes at that. Literally club heads with metal Ping stickers on the back which can just be peeled off!

I immediately sent a strongly worded email to the contact who had confirmed my order, and then phoned my bank to ask for their advice. They explained that they would refund my order themselves and take my dispute up with the Chinese vendor on my behalf. This was obviously a huge relief, so my advice to anyone who has been stung would be to speak to their bank immediately.

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Paul Gueorgieff April 25, 2012 at 1:35 am

The Eagle,

Congratulations to owning up to your moment of stupidity but more importantly this is yet another perfect example to all of us of the corruption that abounds with golf clubs and the world wide web.

Be warned that pictures of golf clubs are easily copied from the manufacturers’ websites and give the impression that you are buying the genuine article. But remember they are only pictures and what arrives from the courier can be two completely different products.

The internet is awash with counterfeit golf clubs but fools still line up to make purchases which keeps these thieves in employmnent. Do the right thing — got to your local retailers, make comparisons, try out different models and be assured what you decide to buy will be the real deal.

Remember golf club manufacturers spends millions of dollars developing and researching their products to make what in the end is a precision instrument. Counterfeiters are not interested in precision — just your money.

PaulG

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Cynical Golfer April 25, 2012 at 4:38 am

I had a unique thought….. Is it possible that OEM businesses have contrived this web site to insure their profits are kept high?? Oh well, like I say, just a thought.

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gareth smith April 25, 2012 at 12:29 pm

Golfuksales.uk is selling fake clubs from china

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Bad Site May 8, 2012 at 12:59 pm

The website http://www.cheapgolfsite.com is also a site that is selling fake clubs. Very bad ones at that.

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PaulG May 8, 2012 at 6:39 pm

Bugger. I have just ordered $2000 worth of clubs from them. Must admit that the prices looked to good to be true and the about us citation was written in pidgin English but the pictures of the clubs looked so real. I thought I had stumbled across the best golf club website in the world after putting the words golf clubs into my Google search engine followed by the words cheap, wholesale, discount, super cheap, rockbottom, bargain, really super cheap, really really super super cheap. Ah well, I’ll just sell them on ebay when they arrive.

I, of course, am jesting. This is another perfect example of the thieves that masquerade as golf retailers in the boundless world that is the internet. Go to your local retailers, get a feel of the clubs and be assured you are getting the genuine article.

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Ian May 15, 2012 at 1:00 pm

I am looking at the Wilson ci 11 irons. This isn’t as popular a brand so I wouldnt think there would be a market for counterfeits, am I in any danger with these clubs of fakes?

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harris June 16, 2012 at 8:08 am

These folks seem to be legitimate. Has anyone had any dealings with them.

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golf equipments June 20, 2012 at 6:12 am

When can you find the best deals in golf equipment? Do the big sales come in October or November?

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Kleinbird June 27, 2012 at 4:16 pm

Stay away from golfsaletime.com. I ALMOST got duped but luckily canceled the transaction through my bank while it was pending. They claimed to be based out of Chicago and ship “direct from OEM”. Their website had spelling errors throughout and their emails were laughably written. All dead give always that they are SCAMMERS! P.S. The only reason I even attempted to buy clubs from them was because they were one of the only places that had a discontinued model of irons (TaylorMade Burner 2.0′s in black finish) that I so desperately wanted. Should of known considering that the irons are sold out at EVERY reputable store in my area including the few reputable online dealers.

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Chris conway July 2, 2012 at 1:49 am

Ifvthey are advertised as oem clubs are these fakes please

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Chris conway July 2, 2012 at 1:51 am

Sorry I ment Original equipment manufacture

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Paul Gueorgieff July 3, 2012 at 2:02 am

Chris,
OEM is an extremely confusing and contradictaroy term. It’s meaning has changed over the years and often has different meanings in different industries.
What the meaning of OEM in the world of golf club manufacturing is, I’m not really sure. I presume the user of such a term is trying to imply that they have got hold of some clubs that were made by the real manufacturer but have been secured at special price in a special deal.
That may happen for some of the lesser brands of clubs but I am sure the more ethical manufacturers — such as Titleist or Ping — would not allow anything of the sort. The manufacturers of the top brands only allow authorised agents to sell their clubs.
PaulG

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Dec July 3, 2012 at 4:29 am

Hi, anybody know anything about Golf M Clubs, prices seem to good to be true.
Dec.

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PaulG July 6, 2012 at 11:56 pm

Dec,

I notice they say: we no sell fake.

And some people will actually believe that. I repeat from previous posts, the world-wide web is awash with counterfeit clubs.

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Clay July 10, 2012 at 7:01 pm

I just received a callaway razor fit driver from jacks golf. And not sure if it’s real paid $215 for it. A magnet does not stick to it but who knows. Can anyone else tell me a different way to tell

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bigDasu83 August 14, 2012 at 6:57 pm

Callaway uses a material composite for the crown piece their website says to tap the crown with a metal object like a key or coin and if you hear a ping instead of a dull sound then it’s counterfeit

I did the magnet test to see if the face was titanium and tested the crown on my driver purchased from eBay and all checked out

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Sven Juice July 21, 2012 at 8:53 pm

That’s what these manufacturers deserve. If you’re going to fire Americans and hire cheap foreign labor, you deserve to get ripped off Nike, Talyor Made, etc. It’s called Karma.

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Nick s July 24, 2012 at 2:46 am

Hi as anyone dealt with wholesalegolfcheap.com, I have tried contacting them but they a very vague and dont answer my question about there adress or phone number? Any help is appriciated, thanks

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Cheap Paint July 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm

I seldom create remarks, but after browsing through some of the responses here 10 Ways Not To Buy Fake Counterfeit Golf Clubs!.
I do have 2 questions for you if you do not mind. Is it
simply me or does it give the impression like some of these
remarks appear as if they are coming from brain dead individuals?

:-P And, if you are writing at other places, I would like
to follow everything fresh you have to post. Would you post a list of every one of your
shared pages like your linkedin profile, Facebook page or twitter feed?

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The Truth July 29, 2012 at 4:03 am

I took close inspection on many irons. the particular irons i looked at (Nike Golf- 2012 Machspeed X Irons 4-PW/AW Steel) were very poor quality clubs. The leathe work was not great, non straight lines and dodgy paint jobs. They appear to be counterfeit. Visit http://www.rockbottomgolf.com/nike-golf-2012-machspeed-x-irons.html# to have a look for your self.

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David Jones July 29, 2012 at 4:42 am

I purchased a set of Mizuno 800 irons for $398.00, and got what I paid for…counterfeit direct from China. I thought I was dealing with an above board on-line company, but got the shaft. Nine of them to be exact. The grips smelled like tires. A very strong rubber smell. The inserts in the clubheads fell out, and the shafts were a complete no name. I sent the clubs to Mizuno in Atlanta to have them checked. They let me know that they were definitely counterfeit. Mizuno asked if they could keep them to pursue legal action against the companies in the US and China that the clubs came from, but I have not heard from Mizuno at all. I have learned my lesson about buying cheap clubs. I also learned that Mizuno did not care enough about me to let me know if my actions helped them out in the fight for counterfeit clubs.

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jinwoo August 6, 2012 at 9:01 am

is this stores sell authentic clubs?
golfcheapshop.com
golfplayerbase.com

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PaulG August 17, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Jinwoo,

Both sites sell cheapest golf cubs in da world and amongst cheapest in Shenzhen; send your money now.
I fink the boss of both sites is a Mr Ping; they have named a golf club after him; send your money now.
They sell all kind golf cub; they all come straight from factory; send your money now.
Biggest customer is in United State of Ameraca; he 6ft 6in and 220lbs.
Free shipping threw out the world; discount for Shenzhen resident; send your money now.

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bigDasu83 August 14, 2012 at 6:44 pm

Anyone know if these eBay sellers are selling counterfeits? discountgolfdirect1, thegolfmarket, hurricane_golf. They all seem to have prices that are low but each seller is top rated with their own eBay store and accept returns. Some insight anyone?

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Rob August 15, 2012 at 7:14 pm

Hi Guys

I wish I read this before I went for the mirage that is cheap online Titleist Drivers!

I bought a D2 Titleist online. When it arrived I was a little concerned, but didn’t panic. When I looked into it a bit more, I realised I was right to panic! Once you see it up against a legit driver, you know you’ve been fooled. Even the motore f3 shaft was a fake as confirmed by a legit Titleist seller. The colouring was darker than the original, there was no alignment do on the head, the besel weight screw did not have the red dot, the hosel was a different colour and to top it off, when tightening the screw that attaches the head, instead of hearing that “click” to know it’s on correctly, the screw snapped.

I have since bought a legit one. Instead of it costing me the $465 I spent on the real one, it cost me a further $250 on the fake so $715 all up for the driver. Save your time and money, do not buy online unless it’s from a legit seller.

Cheers
Rob

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Bunker Boy August 16, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Has anybody ever used these two sites:

http://www.salegolfcentre.com
http://www.golfulove.com

I’m pretty suspicious of them, would appreciate any feedback.

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Rob August 16, 2012 at 4:25 pm

Hi Guys
I wish I read this before I went for the mirage that is cheap online Titleist Drivers!
I bought a D3 Titleist online. When I looked into it a bit more, I realised I was done over! Once you see it up against a legit driver, you know you’ve been fooled. Even the motore f3 shaft was a fake as confirmed by a legit Titleist seller. The colouring was darker than the original, there was no alignment dot on the head, the bezel weight screw did not have the red dot, the hosel was a different colour and to top it off, when tightening the screw that attaches the head, instead of hearing that “click” to know it’s on correctly, the screw snapped.
I have since bought a legit one. Instead of it costing me the $465 I spent on the real one, it cost me a further $250 on the fake so $715 all up for the driver. Save your time and money, do not buy online unless it’s from a legit seller.
Cheers
Rob

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jimmy August 24, 2012 at 4:42 am

I have just ordered some wilson Di11 half graphite half steel shaft clubs for £260 from “mgf11″ on ebay does anyone know anyting about this seller?

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jimmy August 24, 2012 at 4:47 am

Sorry the sellers ebay name is “mgf1l”.

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Nate August 24, 2012 at 9:21 pm

I just got the mp 52s by mizuno. They are the best clubs of anyone on my team( im a varsity golfer in hs). Many of the younger kids were talking about a place called http://www.rockbottomgolf.com and how one of our kids bought a RBZ driver by taylormade at a great price. Once it came we noticed it looked weird so we tested his against mine(I also have one) and it was like hitting small rock with the ball all I have to say it dont use rockbottomgolf.com

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Golf Hacker September 14, 2012 at 10:53 am

FAKE FAKE FAKE. Just want to warn everyone that this site sells fake clubs, and won’t refund your money when you try to return the club. Unfortunately I know first hand.

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Terry September 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm

Just looked at ‘golf sale offers.com looks too good to be true Ping K15 driver £119.00
Anyone out there know if site is genuine

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Chris September 25, 2012 at 9:31 am

I have used rockbottom golf several times and had no issues with the products I received. I really hope they are not fake.

Nate – did the serial number check out? Did you take the club to an authorized retailer to check it? Thanks.

Why has no one commented on budgetgolf.com ? I have bought several clubs from them and they seem legit.

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Ron September 25, 2012 at 11:24 am

I have a set of Wilson made Arnold Palmer signature clubs marked “Personal” with Reg No 37380 and would like to find out any information on them. Any assistance as to their history or background woul dbe greatly appreciated.

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John September 25, 2012 at 3:48 pm

Does anyone have any previous history with http://www.golfclubs-store.com/ ? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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Stef Robinson September 26, 2012 at 4:13 am

I have just come across this thread after seeing a number of obviously fake or quite suspicious websites out there selling clubs.

I am looking at buying a set of Callaway clubs, and have come across http://www.golfbuyitonline.com which appear have some really good offers on at the moment.

This site has been mentioned in some of the comments above, but can anyone confirm that this is a genuine site and good to order from?

Many thanks
Stef

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Fila golf October 16, 2012 at 7:28 am

For sure u can get fake stuff on eBay, but if u got it- don’t forget about the return policy.
If its fake item- fill a complain at eBay complain center- and U’ll get your money back from the sellers or from Ebay

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Mathew November 3, 2012 at 6:53 pm

Does anyone has feedback on the site : http://www.myonlinegolfshops.com/ It’s gotta be fake a titleist driver for 200$. Waiting for your answers! Thx

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Fila golf apparel November 12, 2012 at 9:10 am

The original post have been published 2 years ago, and since then, a lot of things changed,
now , some of the fakes are made ” better than the original ones ” I didn’t use them, but the way they look and feel- even the pros wont figure out

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Albert Bensink December 20, 2012 at 12:47 pm

How about knock offs? like ones made by different brands, like caiman are these cheap clones, and are they illegal to USGA Standards?

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Mark December 28, 2012 at 11:47 am

I am trying to find out if this website is a scam. I am suspicious because of the great deals, and lack of info I can find on the company.
I am worried they either sell knock offs, or are trying to run a scam to get money or credit cards.

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Neal Aspinall January 23, 2013 at 6:00 am

Hi All,

Just to let you know that Acushnet own quite a few of the big brands, and you cannot deal with them unless you have abricks and mortar golf retail outlet. So Ebay traders that don’t operate from a shop as well, cannoit get their brands to sell.

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Ddw February 7, 2013 at 9:20 am

Does anyone know anything about officeproshop.com.

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Tony Kline February 10, 2013 at 5:34 pm

Is this golf wholesale site a legitimate site in the United States or is it a scam or maybe some place selling counterfeit clubs? …. The prices seem to good to be true.
wholesalegolfmart.us

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paulg February 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm

They real deal. Phree shipping threwout da world. Discount for Shenzen residents. Cheeper than manufacturers sell to retail outlets. They take cash in brown paper bags.

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JD March 7, 2013 at 10:33 am

I think I just stumbled on another sham site. Anyone ever heard of or used officegolfshop.com? I can’t believe that they’re not just selling fakes. Hard to tell from the website itself, but the prices….no way.

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Doug March 30, 2013 at 11:13 pm

Has anyone dealed with http://www.golfwholesalemarket.com? Their price on a R1 is about $75.00 lower than the best price on Ebay.

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PaulG April 4, 2013 at 2:15 am

Doug,

Easily the cheapest in the world, possibly cheaper than the cheapest. Free shipping throughout the world, possibly even free to moon residents. Send your money now, buy, buy, buy. Snake oil extra.

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AL April 21, 2013 at 11:27 am

Does anybody have any experience with golfwholesalemarket.com ?? Before discovering this link I ordered a TaylorMade RBZ Stage2 driver from them. Coincidentally the next day there was a bogus charge from China on my card. That’s when I started researching fake sites. Upon review, some of the warning flags mentioned here are present – questionable grammer, no phone number or physical address, no customer reviews. I did the DomainTools search and the site was owned by Brad Kindt (one of four), registered with GoDaddy, createrd 9/10/2012 and they show 4 historical records for golfwholesalemarket.com with 2 significant changes since then. I’m not sure what all that means but I have sent them an email with a demanded response within 24 hours.

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PaulG April 23, 2013 at 4:05 pm

The internet is a jungle where thieves and counterfeiters hide and thrive. Go to your local golf store instead. At least you know where to go if something goes wrong.

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Huntygowk May 2, 2013 at 6:39 pm

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, this site is a joke.

Look at their FAQ, the first question…

Q: Will I get a confirmation email once payment confirmed or package shipped?

A: Yes, you will get a confirmation email once payment confirmed or package shipped. Please check your junk mailbox (or Spam mailbox) if can not receive this email, or contact us via [email protected]

Even they admit they are a junk website.

Don’t touch it wit a barge pole.

Another tip is check out their security certificate logo at the bottom of the page. On a legit site these would link to the secure certificate provider, in this case it’s meant to be TrustWave. What a surprise, the logo isn’t linked.

Do yourself a big favour, stop trawling the internet for that ‘amazing golf deal’ on a new driver or a new set of irons. It’s not out there.

Instead, go to a reputable golf store and try and buy. i’m speaking from personal experience here. I’ve fallen for this kind of thing as well and to my cost.

Huntygowk

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AL April 21, 2013 at 11:44 am

Also I cancelled the order. I’ll post any further response from them.

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Elise April 22, 2013 at 7:53 am

My relatives every time say that I am wasting my time here at net,
except I know I am getting knowledge every day by reading thes good posts.

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Russell April 24, 2013 at 9:49 am

Hello all. I have been in contact with a gentleman from online store called Golf Mart. the store is based out of California and the guys name is Ryan. I had the opportunity speak with him over the phone.

I feel fairly confident that the clubs he is selling are legitimate because I asked for a custom order and he was able to oblige I also asked if the clubs could be drop shipped directly from the manufacturer here in the United States and he said yes they could. I just wanted to check to see if anyone had any experience with this seller. it is an eBay store with the name Golf Mart.

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AL April 26, 2013 at 9:52 am

Okay, so I cancelled the golfwholesalemarket.com order via email 4 days ago. I disputed the bogus Chinese tourist activites charge that mysteriously appeared after the club order, with my card company. Then I get an email from the site saying the club was shipped yesterday. I replied that he was lying because there is no Sunday shipping in the US, his email timeline was 12 hours ahead putting him in China, TaylorMade does not ship directly from their factory in China and since he had violated the terms on his site I would refuse any deliveries and dispute any charges. Furthermore I would pursue any avenues available with TaylorMade and the US authorities regarding the legitimacy of his product. His reply was that I should just refuse the club when it comes but he would have to charge me $20 because he is out $50 s&h. Whaaat??? Today I refused the pkg and I will refute any charges he may apply. The saga continues……… AND I bought a legit RBZ2 driver from a US retail store for the same price + tax + shipping.

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dan April 27, 2013 at 1:38 am

Has anyone heard anything about http://www.greatsalegolf.com, the deals seem too good to be true.

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PaulG May 2, 2013 at 4:27 pm

Dan,

They are the real deal. Can you order me a full set of Titleist woods and irons, some Vokey wedges and a Scotty Cameron putter and I’ll pay you later when I next see you in the street. Do they do steak knives?

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hoodwinked May 21, 2013 at 11:53 pm

NOOOOOO! I bought some Ping G25s and while the shafts (TFC 360 graphite) and grips looked ok, the heads had a plastic covered piece of grey foam where the CTP should be (Tungsten insert). Having problems sending them back. These are definitely NOT OEM

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Michael Smith April 27, 2013 at 8:58 pm

http://www.hotgolfuk.com I was wondering whether this is a legit website or full of fakes. Prices are really low and was debating purchasing the Ping G20 irons but worried whether there fakes or not

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Bert May 15, 2013 at 8:52 am

Warning for http://www.hotgolfuk.com! This is a scam website! The golf clubs on this website definitely are fake. I ordered a Scotty Cameron Putter. Very quick (free!) shipment by DHL and it is a very good looking fake, but still fake! Furthermore, the website is not UK based, as it suggests, but in China! After delivery, I sent them an e-mail that I found the club to be fake, but of course, no reaction! Prices are great, but as always, if it sounds too good to be true…

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Huntygowk May 2, 2013 at 6:19 pm

Wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole. Read the reviews, clearly not written by someone with English as a first language. View the source code of the page. Chinese characters all over the place.

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Lizzie H May 12, 2013 at 9:35 am

Have read reviews of this site and some seem to have had bad customer service. I have just received a set of ladies cobra s3 max combo set. They have arrived promptly and well packaged but my husband is wondering if they are genuine. Has anyone experienced any problems with fake items from this site? They have uk contact details and say they are authorised distributors. I will speak to Cobra direct when they reopen after the weekend.

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Euan Green May 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm

According to the cobra website , (click the online dealer link) golf247 are an authorised dealer.

http://www.cobragolf.co.uk/dealer-locator

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Tony Kline May 13, 2013 at 9:59 am

On this forum you should make it that the most recent comments show up first instead of the other way around. No one likes scrolling through all the old comments to finally get to the most recent.

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Vic DiDominick May 28, 2013 at 11:01 am

Has anyone bought clubs on the website economygolfsale.com? They claim to sell only OEM clubs but the prices are so low I wonder if they’re not counterfeit.

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PaulG May 30, 2013 at 3:27 am

Vic,

They are the real deal. I have bought dozens of sets of clubs off them, Sometimes the brand names fall off the club but I just glue them back on and sell them for a 20 percent profit on a local auction website. They seem to ship all their clubs via Shenzhen because that’s where they are when I track there whereabouts.

Seriously, Vic, use your brain. The world wide web is a jungle of no-names, no-faces where thieves and counterfeiters thrive and prosper at the expense of gullible suckers like yourself.

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Vic DiDominick June 2, 2013 at 1:11 pm

Gee, you sound like such a nice guy. If only you could learn to be sarcastic you’d probably be even nicer.

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Ryan June 11, 2013 at 10:31 pm

These are some of the easiest way to tell if the website is legit. Do they sell senior flex shafts?
Is the price the same steel or graphite? Do they sell ALL brands of golf clubs? Do they have a phone number or mailing address? Do they ship by EMS and tell you the package will be marked as GIFT?

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KBryant June 24, 2013 at 11:16 am

Has anyone ever purchased from http://www.onlineeconomygolf.com/

Looking at some Calloway X-22′s and just trying to be sure they are legit. I’ve been emailing them and they say they sell OEM’s but they have a gmail account and their customer service has been very short as far as responses. I like this site since you can choose your shafts so it looks like you would almost be getting some great clubs for your fit. http://www.onlineeconomygolf.com/Cheap-Callaway-X-22-Irons-Sale-11.html. Any help would be appreciated.

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Paul Gueorgieff June 25, 2013 at 7:16 am

The fact they say they sell OEMs is proof they are scumbag counterfeiters. It’s amazing what people will say to get your money but fools like yourself continue to believe.

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Huntygowk June 25, 2013 at 3:34 pm

Ha Ha Ha Ha, another good one. Jeez, read the section for ‘About Us’

“To purchase cheap golf clubs from onlineeconomygolf.com is your best choice. We sell best golf clubs at very cheap price. We carefully hand-select every clubs to make sure that our customers will receive the best golf clubs. Hope every customer will be happy with our wholesale golf clubs and service. Welcome cheap golf clubs.”

‘We sell best golf clubs at very cheap price” ahem, if you think this site is written and and produced by people in America, wrong. It’s another mass produced Chinese fake ripoff promise them anything website.

See that barge pole over in the corner of your room? Pick it up, and don’t go anywhere near this site with it.

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PG June 28, 2013 at 5:35 pm

I’m thinking of creating a new website called fakegolfclubs.com. Do you think any would notice that the clubs might not be 100 percent genuine? Nah, probably not.

I’ll just use that fanciful term that all clubs are OEMs, that clubs come straight from the factory (but whose factory were not saying), that we carry every brand in the world, even those you have never heard of. Whatever brand name you want on a club we’ll put it on.

Delivery will of course be free, but even less than free, if you live in the Shenzen region. We will also donate 5 percent of your purchase price to help clear the pollution in the skies of China. The donation will be made to fakedonationsinchina.com.

Of course fakegolfclubs.com will have the cheapest golf clubs in the world. Cheap, cheap, cheap. No we haven’t been eating bird seed. Cheap, cheap, cheap.

The about us citation will read something like: “We sell genuine golf club to you. All vely, vely cheap. We have all top brands. We have Titlist, Tailormade, Pong, Cabra, Adums, Wilsan, Mazuno, Creveland and any brand you kan think ov. All vely, vely cheap, cheap. Delivery is phree throughout the world. Please ring our free phone number but it would be helpful if you can speak Mandarin.”

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Huntygowk July 1, 2013 at 2:42 pm

PG,

Wow, I’ve been looking for a site like yours for ages. Those other sites just seem far too dodgy. But yours seems so genuine, I know i can trust you. And that 50% of top blands as well, wow! Where do I sign up? I’d like to order a full set of irons and fairway woods and a driver. I don’t care what brand it is as I know your website is totally genuine, just send me the best you’ve got. In fact, don’t worry about giving me a total amount for it all just now, here’s my credit card number 4455 3243 2323 2323 exp 10/15, mastercard. Just take off whatever you want, and no need to wait until I receive the goods, just take off the money now, I trust you. Actually, sometimes my credit card gets blocked, those card companies put pesky fraud detection on them and sometimes block transactions on websites they think are dodgy. Shame on them! Why don’t I send you some cash instead?Will £2000 do? I’m desperate to get these quick quick, so just send me back any change with my clubs ok? Or maybe you’d like me to send it in yuan instead of Sterling?

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PG July 9, 2013 at 7:29 pm

Mr Huntygowk,

We at fakegolfclubs.com think you are taking the urine out of us. We tried you MasterCard but the number does not seem to exist.

That annoyed us very much because we had gone to great trouble to supply you with the very latest golf clubs. You may be aware that Titlist could soon be launching its 714 irons for 2014. Guess what? We already have them. Yes I know you find that hard to believe but because we have a direct link to the Titlist factory we were able to secure a set on your behalf.

But now we find your MasterCard is perhaps a fake. We at fakegolfclubs.com detest people who deal in fakes.

However you can make amends. If you can please send us your address we can send you a brown paper bag. When you receive the bag, please open, deposit a large sum of cash and one of our representatives will meet you outside the mall cark park at precisely seven minutes before midnight on Tuesday week. Please do not wear clothing with any large distinguishable marks.

By the way, we at fakegolfclubs.com are now making television sets, computers, Smartphones, stylised confetti and can openers. All very genuine, especially the can openers. They all come with steak knives that can slice through a steel pipe or a soft tomato. But wait, there’s more. No there’s not, just joking.

Next time you are in China please look us up. We are in Dongguan. Ask for Mr Joe.

PG.

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Lucas July 18, 2013 at 4:57 am

My friend almost bought a club from hotgolfuk. This post saved him a headache. These kinds of scams can be tricky, but the credibility of most dealers can usually be determined with a smart Google search.

There are also a lot of sites that focus completely on providing this kind of information about scams. An example: http://www.scamadviser.com/. Other smaller review sites can be helpful as well in sending you in the right direction. An example: http://thegolfclubreviews.com/

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Peter July 30, 2013 at 8:56 am

A friend just bought some Calaway clubs ( not sure which model) from this site at a VERY good price which makes me think its a scam. Have you heard anything about this site?

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gary August 6, 2013 at 12:45 pm

Do not buy from progolfstore.co.uk its a scam they sell fake golf clubs

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PG August 6, 2013 at 7:05 pm

Good spotting Gary. Website is Netherlands based. Steer well clear of this new site, it reeks of counterfeits.

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Huntygowk August 7, 2013 at 7:30 am

From their home page…

“Thanks for your visiting progolfstore.co.uk. We are one of the best UK golf clubs retailers and we have been supplying cheap golf equipment online for years. All brand new products are sold at the best price, because we hope to provide every golf players with affordable golf equipment……” LOL

And if you’re not 100% convinced the site is ‘genuine’ you can always take them up on their New Year Offer “One popular wedge for offer reaches $500″..

And what a surprise their ‘GeoTrust’ security icon goes….drum roll…..nowhere.

The clincher.. their contact details…

“Welcome to our site, please contact us freely.
Email: [email protected]
Address: UK”

Address ‘UK’ eh? That narrows it down a bit.

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jim August 10, 2013 at 11:30 am

i have a question not pertaining to a web sight but maybe someone can help. i was playing in my thursday league,hitting my driver like crap,so i asked one guy in my group if i could try his.i give it a wack, 250-270.straight.again same result.5times anyway its a nike 460 sq. 10.5deg.myquestion is it had a weird sound.he said he paid 500 in 2010 will sell it 150.good deal or pass? thanks jim

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Bob August 12, 2013 at 9:36 am

Hey Jim, If you found a driver that you found you could hit 250-270.straight.again same result.5times, is it worth $150? That’s the real question. Who cares if it is a Nike, Wilson, or a club that says XXX from planet Venus. If it works for you buy it. Life’s too short to quibble over little stuff! Just my opinion. – Bob

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jim August 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm

after i left post bob i thought the same thing,so i bought it and have not been happier.thanks for your reply.jim

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Gerry Mroczkowski August 11, 2013 at 3:56 pm

Does anyone know about greatsalegolf.com. Prices are low but warning flags keep popping up. Did as much checking as possible. One company gave them an 81 percent safe rating. No phone number so I emailed asking if their products are authentic. No reply yet, however don’t know how much weight an affirmative answer will hold. Just checking to see if anyone has any info on the company.

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Nate August 12, 2013 at 10:54 pm

I recently bought an r11 TP 7-Wood off of E-Bay store, The Golf Habit, who seems to be and from what I’ve seen in this thread is legit. I also read something’s about a magnet test, where if the magnet doesn’t stick to the club face of a driver it’s real, but if it falls off, it’s fake. Could someone shed some light on this test for me on whether or not that applies to fairway woods too, cuz the magnet stuck. Thank you!
-Nate

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J Park August 14, 2013 at 9:02 pm

Thank you for the post. I still use Ebay on golf items but instead of buying clubs, I started buying golf gift cards. I buy gift cards from Golfsmith & Golf Galaxy. Normally, I can buy gift cards for 10% to 15% off.

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Logan October 6, 2013 at 9:58 am

The sad part is I have actually sold a club I really did win in a raffle during a big scramble tournament. The other thing is I have sold clubs that I reshafted myself since club building is a hobby for me so the ferrule may not have been an oem replacement and or may have had small layer of epoxy even after I cleaned it. Either way all of my goods were 100% oem authentic clubs. Hope no one flags me for it.

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Joe October 7, 2013 at 1:34 pm

Your site has been very informative… You mention so many legit sites to purchase from and of course so many to stay away from…. I would really appreciate if you could provide a list of what you consider safe sites and the taboo sites. Thanks!

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Big Bob October 26, 2013 at 5:02 am

Here in the UK the only way to get a good deal is to stay 1 model behind. This is when a new model is launched the quality retailers heavily discount the out going model. I currently play TM R9′s and will be looking at the Speedbladez when that model is superseded.

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Claude T. July 27, 2014 at 9:07 am

My question of July 27, 2014 may be interesting to you. Maybe I’ll get replies.

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lindsay January 29, 2014 at 6:42 pm

wondering what you know about a site selling cheap golf clubs at golfsetaus

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Huntygowk February 24, 2014 at 1:56 pm

Golfsetaus.com Is a turkey. The only thing you should be doing with it is adding it to your banned website filter.

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Sharon March 20, 2014 at 11:33 am

Has anyone purchased golf clubs from golfclubsinternational? I have ordered a Callaway woman’s 5 hybrid on ebay. The price was not really inexpensive. Wish I had seen your article before doing so. Will keep my fingers crossed that it is not a fake.

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cobra April 22, 2014 at 1:14 am

on ebay is the big d’s house of golf real or fake?

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John June 28, 2014 at 7:23 am

Hi there I was wondering if anyone has heard of augolfclubsonline.com, they calaim to be the real deal operating from Sydney Australia, however I ask them to provide me with ta contact number, they said they only do emails. I ask abut the low prices, why that is, they said they buy directly from manufacturer and post to customer as a gift. Serial number , well they said when I get my clubs i can check to the serial numbers. This is a fake site and the prices are extremely cheap. If anyone else has had encounters with fake websites or other crooks please let us all know. We do want to save however not get shafted literally by these bastards.

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Claude T. July 27, 2014 at 9:03 am

I get ads from apparently dependable retailers (ie: Golfsmith, TGW, Edwin Watts) for outdated clubs that are lower in cost than the newest offerings. These are somewhat ‘cumstomizable’ for loft, shaft, etc. Are these legitimate?

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Jaco Marais August 20, 2014 at 10:06 am

I’ve been burned by these sites, fact of the matter is, if it is too cheap it is a fake. Rather pay a bit more than having your “Taylormade” driver’s head crack on the tee. Not a nice feeling

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