Grow Golf? What Does that Even Mean?
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Grow Golf? What Does that Even Mean?

Grow Golf? What Does that Even Mean?

Written By: Tony Covey

Earlier this week Golf Digest’s Mike Stachura reported that the Japan Golf Goods Association (the country’s trade organization for golf equipment manufacturers) announced it would support the distribution of non-conforming golf equipment.

As you might guess, the discussion quickly turned to the possibility that major US golf companies might start producing non-conforming clubs (more on that soon enough). As is the case when the idea of bringing non-conforming clubs to the masses is tossed around, the suggestion is that it will make the game easier, more fun, and therefore, more appealing to a disinterested generation.

Non-conforming clubs are a way to grow golf.

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What does that actually mean?

The problem as I see it is that, like many other facets of the golf industry, there doesn’t appear to be any uniform standard of measurement.

How do we actually measure growth?

Everybody Has a Stick

The National Golf Foundation talks in terms of rounds played and the number of golfers (both recreational and core).

Equipment companies talk in terms of sales and profits.

A growing list of golf, but not-quite-golf, businesses like TopGolf and indoor golf facilities (in their many forms) measure success in asses through the door, cheeseburgers and beer.

The Hack Golf initiative is now on hiatus to give its members time to, among other things, “synthesize the critical frustration factors, and solutions for fun, identified in Phase 1“.

Should we even talk about Foot Golf? Give me a minute.

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With the industry playing a figurative game of tug of war against itself in the name of supposed growth, I can’t help but notice that this whole Grow Golf thing has little to do with preserving the game and much to do with preserving revenue streams.

Our Best Options, Really?

Participation in actual golf on the decline. The idea is that Foot Golf could create alternative revenue streams for otherwise empty courses, but I’d wager there’s positively zero evidence that suggests foot golfers will become core golfers or even recreational golfers.

Has golf grown if the new guys aren’t carrying clubs?

Indoor Golf is great fun, and in some cases provides an additional revenue stream to PGA Professionals, but the actual population of indoor golfers consists largely of existing golfers. Indoor golf doesn’t create golfers in any substantial numbers. It simply provides an alternative when it’s too hot, too cold, or too dark to play outside.

Has golf grown if the guys playing inside were already playing outside?

TopGolf is the wildcard. It’s still very much in its infancy, it sure as hell looks like a lot of fun, and people are talking about it with their excited voices (which is more than we can say for the rest of the industry).

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I’m optimistic, but it’s way too soon to know what, if any, lasting impact TopGolf will have on actual golf. Early returns suggest the business will be good for its owners (including Callaway Golf), but is it sustainable, and more to the question at hand, will Top golfers ever become what I suppose we must now call traditional golfers?

Has golf grown if the Top golfer never brings his game to the course?

I’m not going to pretend I have the answers, because to do that, I’d have to first pretend I understand what exactly qualifies as growth.

We Can All Agree on Money

The fact that we don’t have any universally accepted measuring stick for growth illustrates the total lack of cohesiveness of the entire grow golf movement.

In reality, it’s hardly a movement at all. It’s a loose collection of semi-affiliated organizations, each protecting its own interests. The only true commonality is that everyone is interested in making money.

Can’t we do better?

What’s the right way to measure growth in the game of golf. I’d certainly love to hear your thoughts.

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      HackerDav31

      9 years ago

      Like Andre Agassi said, “Image is Everything.”

      I’ve written this before on other “Grow the Game” article comments sections, but golf needs a PR makeover in a very bad way.

      I recently just read The Match, and The Grand Slam by Mark Frost. The thing these books both reinforced, was that like so many other sports that have flourished, golf needs icons, golf needs cool, and golf needs mystique again. Having a couple of bad boys on the PGA tour isn’t a bad thing. Where are golf’s “guy’s guys” on today’s tour? I’m sure they exist. The money matches, the parties, the elbow-rubbing celebrity parties. These were a big part of what made the game cool and aspirational!

      Today’s PGA, with very little exception, has none of that. In its heyday you had THE coolest cats playing and endorsing the game. Bing Crosby, The Rat Pack, Bob Hope. Those guys are today’s equivalent of mega stars. Unfortunately, today’s mega stars shy away from golf even though they love the game. its like something about has become nerdy or shameful. Fallon, Timberlake, Pharell Williams, dozens of pro athletes in every major league love the game and play the game but you RARELY see them associated with it! I know Timberlake has the Shriners and owned a course until recently, but just look at the roster of high-profile pro-ams. Outside of Bill Murray, its utterly devoid of cool.

      Outside of that, the direction of the game itself has become robotic and boring. What used to be a game of feel, finesse, and grit has become mechanical. Swing coaches, trackman, and data domination (all phenomenal innovations that we shouldn’t cast away) have sucked out the soul in many ways, I would argue. Bobby Jones loved analysis, as did Hogan, but there was so much more to them than club head speed, spin rates, and carry distances.

      Finally, add to that the antiquated approach by the PGA and its easy to see why no one identifies with the game any longer. Anything the PGA can do to keep golf boring as hell, and they’re on it.(Ryder Cup social media stance, no swag on the 16th at Waste Mgmt, kill off caddie races). The game’s leadership is aspiring to make it as boring as humanly possible and they’re succeeding beyond expectations.

      For those that love the game, I would strongly encourage you to read The Match. After only a few chapters you’ll get a sense of just how cool golf used to be, and see the potential for how cool it could still be today… with the right leadership, message, iconography and image.

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      Chipper

      9 years ago

      Interesting article. Many interesting points in the comments section. Here’s my two cents (trying to be mostly coherent in this): “growing the game” is probably best narrowly defined by both the revenue earned from rounds played on a golf course, and revenue from the sale of equipment and apparel. Those two seem to be the end game / primary measure in most articles and discussion boards, although some people throw out total rounds played too. In this respect, it differs very little from most other entertainment/recreation options presented these days, and also differs very little from retail sales of other non-essential consumer goods. Other options like foot golf (unless the course gets revenue), street golf, Top Golf are a diversified golf-like recreational experience, but I don’t see how you put those in the same “industry” as they are as different as YouTube videos are to motion pictures.

      Just think of the diversity in entertainment options available today. Compare it to 20 or even 30 years ago. Using something like video games as an example, 30 years ago I would play Pacman and a handful of other games at an arcade. There were arcades everywhere, and always a line for the popular games. I’d spend hours there each week. Along came console games. And the arcade “industry” sputtered…in the 90s arcades had a mini revival with all of the Street fighter/Mortal Kombat style games, but it wasn’t long until consoles picked those up too. Then came Internet connected gaming, and then smart phones, and my kids have hundreds of cheap/free game options right in their hands. The market diversified and arcades couldn’t possibly compete. Where are all the arcades now? A niche. I only know of one in my area. How much different could this be (other than scale and life cycles) than traditional golf played on a course?

      People will always be willing to pay for memberships at a country club or private/semi-private course(these are your “core” players), but we shouldn’t pretend that there’s some pent up demand from the majority of people to get out and play golf like people did a few years ago… The world has changed. There are too many options for entertainment, and people are spending a lot for it. If you want to create new demand (or even turn casual players into core players) it’s either going to cost your company a ton in marketing spend, or some type of “perfect storm event” would need to happen again like the coming of Tiger Woods to bring business to you. You can’t exactly plan that. Even then you’d have to have the economics right for the industry as I’ve defined it to really “grow”.

      If a golf course wants to “grow” profits, it needs to embrace other revenue opportunities where it can (like foot golf or or even snow golf), and try to make a little bit more in tough times. Get creative and right size your effort. But just try someone new. Otherwise, raise greens fees and membership dues, and cut costs where you can, accept that you are what you are and wait for the next “perfect storm”. Either way, don’t let your product outpace realistic demand. Or you can do what you’ve always done and your course willl close in a few years to become the next city/state park. I don’t really care. There are more than 50 courses within an hour drive for me, and I’ll find somewhere to play ( it’s nice to live in CT, some aren’t that lucky).

      For retail equipment companies, you can sell by diversifying product lines. If you don’t want your “brand” tarnished a-la the Wilson/Walmart dilemma, create a new “brand”. Embrace the concept of non-conforming clubs…but first find a reason for it. Sounds perfect for Top Golf, or a range with a giant “hit it where the pros hit” sign on a driving range. I’d love to hit a driver head that allowed me to drive it 320 just for an afternoon. But I’m not gonna pay $500 for it. You could rent it from a driving range or pro shop. Or Imagine if you had a Netflix (not streaming, but mail order) type distribution model for non-conforming driver heads that were compatible with your adjustable hosels… Think you’d pay 10 bucks to play the “Taylormade 320” with the shaft you like for a round if it you could pop it back in the mail the next day and put your regular driver head back on. Some wouldn’t. I would. I’m also probably one of few people that would buy a wedge designed for the snow. I was outside yesterday in two feet of snow playing with my three year old son, hitting practice balls and having a blast with snow shoes on. There’s gotta be better options than my PW from a 15 year old set of Maxfli Revolutions (black dot). Don’t give me a forged wedge or anything, but I’d pay $50 for a wedge if it gave me an opportunity to enjoy the game I love with my son for 3 more months out of the year.

      Change is not only inevitable, it has already happened. The longer courses/manufacturers/retailer wait for the good old days to come back, the more time and energy you’re going to waste. This is not a growth industry, and courses/manufacturers/retailers cannot “will” growth to happen. Maybe when the cost of revenue for this industry was low, but that’s not now.

      End of incoherent ramblings.

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      GreenDoor

      9 years ago

      In 5-10 years when robots/androids are mentally and physically able to swing a golf club while ambulatory enough to walk a golf course, will they want to play golf? And if we all had equipment that enabled us to hit with the precision/perfection of robots, would we still want to?

      When generations of folks with vast 15 second attention spans are presented with the option of spending 10,000 hours to get decent at something or 30 minutes to master something, is that really a difficult choice, really?

      Is there currently a model in place that makes it easy/affordable for self-introduction to the game of golf?

      Do we need to expand/change/evolve the game or just ensure enough profitability to sustain the passionate; can we do both?

      When the Mayan Ball game started to wane in popularity, do you think folks like us sat around lamenting the good ole days and trying to figure out how to get back to the boom times? OK, probably no on this one seeing as they usually yanked the beating hearts from the losers chests…

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      Josh

      9 years ago

      So what is anybody here actually doing to grow the game? I am just amazed at some of the comments here. I guess I have played golf since I was a kid. But that was really only for one summer with some friends, then I mostly played baseball. Then I played golf at a few bachelor parties. You know what, I had fun, but I didn’t know all the rules and I used somebody else’s hand me down clubs, so it didn’t cost me more than green fees, at public courses to try golf. Now as responsible father with 3 teenage daughters, I play more than ever! It gets me out of the house, and on date night, My wife plays too. She never played until I picked up the game to get out of the house. Now I play 1 or 2 times a week, she’ll play every other week when we get together with some old high school friends too. And on the other weekends, my youngest daughter and I play 9 together. She’s been playing for about 2 years and has been completed 2 First Tee programs over the last 2 summers. Maybe I’m the exception, but I have found the best way to grow golf is to take somebody new out at a minimal cost and have fun playing the game. Then they’ll want to play it again, and again.
      Just my experience. 2 more golfers added from one guy trying to get out of the house. How many new people can you bring to the game?

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      W

      9 years ago

      I couldn’t agree more! This is how you grow the game. The key is that we need to keep supporting low cost options to make this more common. When I have friends wanting to learn to play, I always invite them to a little par 3 course. It’s easy, wide open, and about the same price as a bucket of balls at the range. The difference is it’s much easier to get hooked playing a round with a friend vs aimlessly smashing balls into the driving range.
      When I take new people to the driving range, they see me successfully hitting shot after shot (not successful in my book, but to someone who never swings any shot up in the air and over 150 is a good shot), and they get discouraged when they can’t hit two shots in a row with any club. But take that same player to a par 3, or TopGolf, and teach them how scoring works. I’ll try to work on things, big draws, cuts, etc, and I’ll miss some greens in the process. They will shank and slice everything, but with each hole being 100 to 150, they can still get their second shot on, or near the green, and move to putting. When I get a par, or a bogey, and they get a 4, I celebrate it! Say things like “Look at you! Only your first/second/third time out and you’re only one shot behind me. I’ve been playing for 8 years! You’re picking this up in no time”. Those good experiences at low prices are what get people hooked, and that’s what keeps people coming back.

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      adan

      9 years ago

      Foot golf??? Don’t make me hurt you….
      I see Top Golf and simulator golf as the wave of the future.

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      Jim

      9 years ago

      I definitely want to see golf to shrink back to the pre tiger woods era.I came to golf in the early 90s from tennis which had already gone from a boom to bust era.All that is left is true tennis enthusiasts. Golf has gotten to expensive and to slow to play ,like tennis golf is very difficult to play and should never be for everybody. I am currently on vacation in Myrtle beach the courses are wet not busy and am told I still have to use a cart park it on a path and walk out to my ball with a couple of clubs. Why not allow walking as an option at all courses again!
      Down with the morning drive on golf channel, they should fire the guy who does the golf travel he is a pansy.

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      muscleback

      9 years ago

      I laugh at the notion that using or allowing non-conforming clubs will “grow the game”.
      What a total crock of garbage. The game is there right in front of you to take it or leave it. You can’t bribe people to love golf. They have to love it on their own.

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      Mike S

      9 years ago

      The problem with that my friend is that golf is a business, like it or not. Everyone in the “game” from the courses to the manufacturers has to make a profit or they won’t be there for you to “take it.” I agree that things like foot golf are not going to bring more golfers to our sport but to say that to keep doing what they always have done is just a way to insolvency. I think they only true measurement of growing the game is “number of holes played. And by that measurement golf is shrinking not growing. I’m sure you would enjoy it more if every time you went out to play the course was empty and you and your foursome could just scoot along. Problem is that if that’s the case you won’t have anywhere to play soon.

      Like others on here I play upwards of 150 rounds a year. If it wasn’t for the “membership” program at the public course i play at there is no way I could afford to do that. I see very few juniors out at the course, few women as well. This isn’t a good thing. Women I know don’t want to play because of the attitude of male “golfers” that don’t want them slowing them down. The kids? Part of it is cost of entry, part is as someone else said parents can’t drop them off at the course and let them hit balls on the range and putt around the greens. And a part of it is the fact that they can’t come out in shorts and a t shirt, hat on backwards and have fun. Golf has an image of being elitist, stodgy etc and that’s perpetuated by folks like you.

      Most people will never play in a tournament, don’t even have a handicap and so what? They are out to have fun and oh by the way their greens fees etc help to keep the courses open. So what if they play with non conforming clubs? If it keeps them coming out and lets them have fun then I’m all for it. One of the guys in my regular weekend foresome (both Saturday and Sunday) is a former class A PGA pro, played on the mini tours etc and is now in senior management at a major golf retailer, he plays to a .5 (that’s 1/2) handicap and would never ever play with non conforming clubs. He has a lot of fun in our weekend games plays in a fair amount of tournaments as well. He probably plays 100 rounds a year. Another regular in our foursome, doesn’t have a handicap, (might be a 24 on a good day, never practices, never had a lesson, doesn’t really have a golf swing in the traditional sense and plays 150 rounds a year. He also has a blast on the course. Would he play with a non conforming club if it increased his enjoyment of the game? Sure. Me, I’m in between those two. I play to a 15, take lessons on occasion, try to practice and play the occasional tournament. Not at the club by the way, the folks that run that have it set up as “good old boys club” for them to win and have bragging rights. We all enjoy playing together. Now which of us is “the golfer,” the guy the industry should be courting?

      I’d say it’s all three of us. Remember it’s the GAME of golf. So what if you just take a drop rather then stroke and distance? So what if you “bump” the ball out of a divot etc? We aren’t playing in a tournament so why not just have fun. The course doesn’t care, the manufacturer doesn’t care. Why should you care? If you have a money game every weekend good for you. Play by all the rules and have fun. And by all the rules I include pace of play. Just because you have a dollar a hole riding on the match is no reason for a 5 hour round.

      Should kids be taught etiquette? Absolutely! Should they be taught the rules? Sure should they be told you can’t come to “our” course in shorts and a tshirt? No. At least not if you want them to get enthused about the game. They are the ones who will be coming out to play a couple times a month in the future, which in my opinion is what will keep the business of golf healthy. Not the guys like me who play 150 rounds a year at a discounted rate

      So if you want to play golf like the good old days join a private club. Oh wait, most of the private clubs in my area have gone at least semi public lately because they can’t survive as a truly private club. Golf whether we like it or not is a business. We can’t have a “pickup game” in the park or at the local school grounds like baseball, basketball, football etc. I read a book years ago called “A course called Ireland” The author liuterally walked around Ireland playing golf. It was an interesting read. One of the things he mentioned in the book was the fact the on any given afternoon you would find kids out playing, sometimes with a single bag of clubs between them, playing until it was too dark to see. That’s what we need to grow the game. Not elitists that want it to be “like the good old days.” When I was a kid, those were the good old days, playing till dark, hitting balls on the range until you had blisters, playing putting games on the practice green, riding with dad in the cart on the weekends and getting to hit a few shots around the green etc.

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      muscleback

      9 years ago

      Mike S…”Golf has an image of being elitist,… and that’s perpetuated by folks like you.”
      You don’t know me…yet you call me names…you run your mouth. I caddied every day all summer as a kid…I caddied on the PGA Tour…I caddied in a Major…I played on the (public) high school team…I play today on a public, muny golf course and a men’s league on Wed. night…I carry a 7 hndcp. … don’t belong to a private club…I work with high school kids to help them with the game. I have been involved in golf since I was 10 years old and I am and old codger now. I wear shorts and a t-shirt sometimes. I carry my own bag and walk nine holes for fun. I wear my hat forward, not backward. Name-calling idiots like you are the reason golf is in trouble. I am no “elitist”… far from it.

      W

      9 years ago

      “We can’t have a “pickup game” in the park or at the local school grounds like baseball, basketball, football etc.”

      This is so true! When I first started playing, a friend and I would go to the putting and chipping green to play HORSE. One player would pick a spot, try to get up and down, and the next player would follow. Failed to follow up, you get a letter, just like basketball. I think games like this could easily carry over to kids, especially since kids could use many short game areas for full swings with wedges and maybe even short irons.

      But now some courses are requiring a tee time or fee to even use putting greens and practice facilities. The course we live near has a great area for this, but they charge $6/ player to use the short game area. I have never even seen anyone out there.

      Mike

      9 years ago

      MIke S..

      I can sum up your entire rant as rubbish. Self pleasing crap that doesn’t address the issue. You and people like you don’t have a clue. What you need is “The Good Old Days” to get golf back to less players, less courses and less as*holes like you and your dumb ass grow the game mentality. The game isn’t going to grow to any extent. What is this bull about growing. There’s no reason to grow. Contrary to your point that companies have to make money (which is bullshit). Corporate bigwigs and their stockholders maybe have to make money, but we shouldn’t have the game of golf tied to that. All I need is a brass putter, an old 200cc Norwestern driver and a set of old blade irons and I’ll beat most people out there with their 2015 equipment. So the fact that you say they need to make money is only true is you accept the raping that is going on now. Courses? They don’t have to charge what their charging. I don’t need my course to be a luxury sauna! I need it to provide shelter from the rain, and a place to play cards and drink a beer. An inexpensive hamburger would also be nice. If the roof leaks that’s fine. We need them to stop driving up the price of golf and to stop pretending we need to get more people in to it. If people wanted in they come in. Guess what? They don’t! So let them the fu** be!!!!!!

      Hiduce

      9 years ago

      Geez man are you for real? You keep boasting about how good your game is and how no one else is worthy of an opinion or discovering the game. You sound like you would be a miserable person to play with. You stick to your dirt bag tracks. The rest of us will keep supporting the game and the diverse and quality courses we hope will stay open.

      Ken

      9 years ago

      I just read this article and the promo for the Polars driver. Basically, you guys are advocating the use of juiced up equipment to improve the performance of “recreational” golfers. This is the same mentality that leads athletes to use performance enancing drugs. The rules of golf are written to assure that all of us play without advantages that come from non conforming equipment and those who win the round did so because they had better bounces, or were more skilled on any given day. The rules of virtually all organized sports are written to assure that competitors will win because of their superior training or superior natural gifts not because the used PED’s.

      Shame on you.

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      Fiberspeed

      9 years ago

      Anybody remember when a ‘Green Fee’ was good for all day?? Play 36, 54… Cart fee only.. Those were the days pre-Tiger. Golf courses need to return to that pre 1998 mentality. Get people to the course young, old and in between… GolfNow (Golf Channel/Comcast) now has a monopoly on tee times nationwide … PGA Book (gone), LMTT (gone), EZ Links (almost gone).. The deep discounts that got people the course… Gone.

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      W

      9 years ago

      “Anybody remember when a ‘Green Fee’ was good for all day?? Play 36, 54… Cart fee only.”

      That was the norm??? That sounds amazing! I agree, lower green fees and good attitude is what gets people playing. But like so many others have pointed out, “growing golf” seems much more focused on “grow my wallet now” vs get more players on the course. But with big business as deeply involved as it is, I don’t see it changing any time soon sadly.

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      doug

      9 years ago

      A lot of very interesting comments. I live in the frozen great white north. Our national sport is hockey. We have also faced a decline in participation due to, I think, the regimentation of the sport, the cost of participating in the sport, and the failure to recognize that it is a game and games should be fun. Pond hockey is fun.

      Golf is also a skillful game. Most importantly, it is the only game where you call the penalties on yourself. This is golf’s character builder. The handicap system is a leveler. As long as you are honest and play to a handicap, you can compete with anyone. (well almost anyone).

      Most of the courses I play are better than me. From Oliver’s Nest in Ontario to Ape’s Hill in Barbados. But I still enjoy the game and I can still compete with the handicap system.

      So why should I concern myself with the notion of “Growing the Game”? The commercial interests will look after their “growing income from the game” themselves.

      I think if we play the game, by the set rules, encourage others to enjoy it, by the set rules, the game will look after itself .

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      muscleback

      9 years ago

      non-conforming clubs, 8 inch holes, 15 inch holes, belly putters, TopGolf, foot golf, frisbee golf…fine, go for it…have a ball…but it’s not golf and it’s not growing the game…it’s denial and it’s a cop-out.

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      Mike

      9 years ago

      Thank you muscleback.

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      Florent Barral

      9 years ago

      But as ex golf club director i can say : to grow golf you need long term vision and strategy, because the infrastructures you need 20 years to pay so you need to generate a constant pipeline of new customers. From newly retired that will spend now to juniors who will spend in 20 years. It s like a country s demographics : you need to balance it and look long term otherwise you end up with too many youngsters with no money or too many retirees who do not produce wealth, and you re in trouble. Clearly too many people have thought short term (manufacturers, courses owners…) and we ll need a good 10 years to find a new balance. Trends are slow to change.

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      Rich C.

      9 years ago

      I agree that the primary driver of “grow the game” is more than likely the search for money but I also don’t want the game to return to an elitist game only for the well to do. As far as I can tell the junior golf initiative is significant in terms of bringing people into the sport but the cost aspect must be addressed. I play a lot of golf (100 to 150 rounds per year) and as a member of a course the cost to me is much lower. If I had to pay the full cost each time I played there would be no way I could afford to play like I do. Somehow we need to price the game so everyone can play if they so choose. We need courses that are not so expensive to maintain and therefore do not cost as much to play. I disagree with those who are only purists regarding the non-conforming clubs. Let guys who are just out to have fun play what they will, it may get them into the game to the point where they stop using those clubs and get into traditional gear. I play tournaments and obviously one can’t play those clubs then but most people don’t do that, they just want to have fun. All of us who play for the joy of the game know how good it feels to hit that nice draw or fade but until you can do that the game can be pretty vexxing. Sure, a person playing nonconforming clubs can’t keep a handicap but not many people actually keep one. Why not help them enjoy the game a bit and hopefully this will entice them to get into it more seriously. Thus, pulling more jouniors into the game, keeping the cost down and allowing the recreational golfer a bit easier means to play, it seems to me, would all be ways to get more people involved. And by the way, I have played in big hole tourneys (8″ hole) and they are fun.

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      Florent Barral

      9 years ago

      Good measurements :
      1. Sport penetration : share of world population who has played at least 1 round of golf in the year – even if 3 holes pitch and putt
      2. Total volume of holes played (not rounds but holes as 9 holes grow vs 18 holes
      3. Total industry value – including all revenues : hardgoods, consumables, textile, green fees, hotel stays, clubhouse food and bev, but also TV rights, sponsoring etc
      4. Number of golf related jobs in hours worked
      5. Media coverage : tv audience, number of articles, magazines sold, number of webpages viewed…

      What s fun is you can have each one going a different way : less golfers that represent as many holes played but spending more…
      Number 1 is the truest value of a sport’s growth.

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      Markb

      9 years ago

      Many of the “Grow Golf” efforts are really more of “Save Golf” efforts. Foot golf will do nothing to bring latino and tween girl soccer players over to the traditional game, but it is NEEDED by many marginal courses to bring that much extra revenue to their withering venues. My course has had it for a year, it’s popular and maybe growing, and no foot golfer yet has crossed over. Did the Tiger Woods video game grow real golf? Did Golden Tee? Not much. Foot golf falls in the same category for me.

      Realistically speaking, our “grow golf” efforts are really just attempts to “return golf to the Tiger boom days”. That isn’t going to happen without another once-in-two-generations-phenom and a booming economy. Period, end of story. And even then we have to bring more youth into the sport. Here’s the problem that golf has with that.

      Child-rearing in America has turned into a “Shepherd-mandatory” affair. Gone are the days when you could turn your kid loose in the park or drop them off at the golf course for unsupervised practice and play. You simply NEVER see kids at the course unless they are cloistered in a short-term summer golf camp or have hit high school age. Without time on the range or on the course, they can’t get in their 10,000 hours, and they can’t develop a love of the game. And they can’t do that today without a Shepherd. That’s why they play soccer and other low overhead sports instead of golf and it’s why the game will continue to trail off unless your name is Uihlein or you can afford to go all-in on an IMG Academy/Short Game upbringing for your future tour star

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      Kenny B

      9 years ago

      Mark is right about Junior Golf. That’s the only way to grow the game. The other things mentioned are just bastardizations to make a quick buck. Play be the rules, or don’t call it golf.

      What is being done to increase Junior Golf. Not much really. When the First Tee got started, I thought “Well there is a great idea!” Probably is in certain communities, but I thought it could do so much more. We have one in my area but I don’t hear much about it. Each summer my little 9-hole practice course puts on 5 kids clinics with the club pro and 6-7 volunteers that play at the course; each clinic is Tue, Wed, Thu from 10am – noon. Cost is $35/clinic and we have kids from 4-15 years old. During each clinic the kids get lessons on golf etiquette, driving/irons, chipping and putting. The last day is spent on the course playing from 50-150 out depending on age/skill level. We get 40-80 kids in each clinic and many of them come to more than one per year and come several years in a row.

      I think that is how you grow the game. More courses should do this. Other courses have Junior golf programs but they typically are teenagers and are pretty good golfers already. Need to get them a lot younger so they can pester their parents into going to the course.

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      Mike

      9 years ago

      Again! There is no reason to grow golf. Stop this insane talk. Just enjoy it and let it go back to what it was, please. What don’t you people understand about the dynamics of this situation. The Tiger Era is done. All the band wagon as*wipes are leaving. Now we can get back to the best game in the world. Thank the heavens they are gone. Maybe we can get back to 3 1/2 – 4 hour rounds. Good riddens and lets get rid of some of these courses. I can only assume all of you make a living in the golf world.

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      Kenny B

      9 years ago

      No, I have a full-time job totally unrelated to golf. I didn’t play golf as a kid because we couldn’t afford it. There was one golf course in town and it was a private country club. I took up golf 23 years ago and wish I had started 23 years before that. I support kids getting into the game as a way to “pay it forward” and hopefully some of them will begin at an early age to enjoy the game I love.

      I suspect if you have it your way, more courses will close as the older golfers are gone with no one to take their place. Maybe the next course will be yours. I hope not. But if only country clubs exist, tree won’t be any place for beginners to take up the game. What a waste!

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      9 years ago

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      muscleback

      9 years ago

      I laugh at all the so-called “grow the game” crowd. These people all earn their income in some way from golf. They are WAY different from those of us who play it for fun or competition. When they say “grow the game” they really mean “grow my wallet”.
      Example: Geoff Shackelford, a well know blogger and so-called golf course “designer” promotes himself as a “traditionalist” and a “purist” and criticizes Augusta National for planting trees he doesn’t agree with. And then he turns right around a says we should “grow the game” by promoting 15 inch holes on the golf course to encourage “millenials” to take up the game. A traditionalist pushing for 15 inch holes?…what a crock. He and other “game growers” are worried about their bank accounts first and foremost. The hypocrisy among the game growers is rampant. The club manufacturers are the worst offenders. Let the game shrink down. Let us all enjoy the traditions of the game that made it great, and not try bastardize a great sport for the almighty dollar.

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      Mike

      9 years ago

      Muscleback; that hits the nail right on the head. Nothing more to be said on the subject.

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      Hiduce

      9 years ago

      Nothing more to say, except if this did happen, most courses you play will turn into subdivisions and the ones that remain will be to expensive and over-crowded.

      Mark D.

      9 years ago

      What are all of these comments about “TopGolf” changing the game or maybe bringing more people in. TopGolf is just a tweaked version of indoor golf, not really that much different from what I can see, despite what it’s website claims. If you aren’t walking 18 holes, (or riding) then it’s just not golf

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      W

      9 years ago

      From my experience, TopGolf is bringing people to the game. Yes, it’s not golf. 100% not golf. But I’ve seen it convert several people to occasional/recreational golfers.
      My girlfriend refused to play golf for quite some time, but she was willing to try TopGolf. After a few TopGolf outings, she was ready to try the driving range. Now she owns clubs, and plays with me occasionally. I have at least 3 male friends who picked up a club for the first time at TopGolf, and now own clubs and will play from time to time on a real course, even though they do generally play TopGolf more often.
      Last time my mother came to town, it took some convincing, but we got her out to TopGolf. She’s in her late 50’s, and has really never even tried to hit a golf club. At most she’s ridden in a cart and hit some putts. She had a great time and left saying she would A) Invest in TopGolf if it came to her area, if investing/franchising was an option and B) might consider taking a few lessons this summer since she regularly dines at the club house of a local course anyway. All it took was about 2 hours and less then 40 balls at TopGolf, and she decided maybe it’s time to learn real golf. If that’s not a conversion, I don’t know what is. She might never actually do it, but the idea had never crossed her mind until she experienced TopGolf.

      Granted, none of these conversions have created hard core avid golfers. None of them will be getting country club memberships anywhere anytime soon. But it is creating more friends I can call to head out to the course with, it’s getting people who’d never considered golf to buy clubs, gloves, and balls, and it’s getting new people out on the golf course paying green fees.

      The real hard part now is keeping them on the real golf course. The saddest thing I see when someone is ready to make the jump from TG to the grass, and during their first course outing they have people hitting into them, play with people that are very serious about the rules, and people that glare, or even yell at them for holding up the pace of play. I’ve seen this happen at a 9-hole course before. That attitude is what keeps people away. TopGolf has been a hit because it’s fun. When people convert to real golf, we need to make sure it is still FUN!

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      Mike

      9 years ago

      Mark,

      Doesn’t change anything! It will still have absolutely no impact on golf 5 years from now. None whatsoever! So no exceptions to the rule replies.

      Bob

      9 years ago

      Great comments hard to disagree with any of them, but golf is not the only sport suffering because of low junior participation, baseball, football basketball, are facing the same problem. So what are our kids doing for entertainment that keeps them from participating in these sports. My neighbor recently married a woman from a different country who has a young boy about 10, when they moved in he was outside from morning till dark, kicking a soccer ball and shooting hoops and after a few months he just disappeared I was talking to his father and asked him where the boy has been and was told he stays in the house more I then asked if they had gotten him an x-box or play station and was told yes. Think about it you can play any course you want with whoever you want you don’t need to find friends and go to a ball field to play sports anymore you find other people online and play whatever sport you want plus you can’t get hurt,hot cold ,wet or sweaty. Mom and Dad don’t have to drive them anywhere, or sit and watch games. Now don’t get me wrong not all kids are doing this but enough are to make a diffrence

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      SkipThisAd

      9 years ago

      Well said Bob,this is a reality that a lot of people don’t see and only time will tell what effect will have to society like it’s doing to youth’s sports.

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      Sam Carson

      9 years ago

      People who would play with non conforming clubs are simply cheats and most likely be unable to add, kick their ball from a poor lie, drop a ball from their pockets etc.
      As regards footgolf, I have played soccer and golf most of my life and can say absolutely there is no correlation whatsover.
      I would rather have a vibrant smaller group of golfers than a large amount artificially brought fleetingly into the game, there will always be a place for occasional golfers.

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      Regis

      9 years ago

      I’ve been playing since 1963. I saw and played through the boom.Now I’m back to playing public tracks after playing at a private club for 30 years. Hard to admit it but my game isn’t what it was when I was in my 30’s (or 40’s or 50’s) But I enjoy the game as much if not more than ever. I used to be an avid skier. Gave it up years ago ,in part because of the growing popularity of snow boarding. Read an article last week. The people involved in snowboarding are concerned. Participation in snowboarding is down 28%. Meanwhile participation in skiing is showing signs of growth. Let the market dictate the future of golf. Stop worrying so much about growing the game. Most of the courses I play have been around for almost 90 years and the relative cost of equipment (adjusted for inflation) and play hasn’t really changed. Let the game chart it’s own future

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      Mark

      9 years ago

      Toney, I think you hit the nail on the head. All these “grow golf” initiatives are about making more money not about bringing new golfers to the game or keeping the occasional player from leaving for something else.
      The only thing mentioned that might bring new golfers to courses is Top Golf, but it’s in it’s infancy and we won’t really know if it translates until it becomes prevalent across the country and some time has passed. On the other hand It may just end up being the next step up from playing Tiger Woods 2015 …
      How do you increase the number of players in the game? Two words – Junior Golf. If they REALLY want to grow the game the powers that be need to set up an initiative to significantly increase junior golf programs across the country, make these programs and courses accessible to juniors AND help to make it more affordable for them and their parents.
      I played a TON of golf last year (for the first time I had a full membership at my local public course) and RARELY saw juniors out there. The junior rate at my course is same as for seniors, which is decidedly NOT that affordable if you’re a pre-teen or teen or paying mom/dad. In fact there are no courses in my area that cater to juniors or offer junior mornings/afternoons in the summer like they used to do when I was playing as a kid. Most courses are owned/run by a management company who’s trying to get the most dollars out of the course they possibly can and having a bunch of juniors on the course would make them less money. Pretty short sighted but that’s what it’s all about these days.

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      booth1974

      9 years ago

      I’m seeing that as well, I remember when I started in the 80s there were always lots of kids at the course… maybe I’m missing something but I’m not seeing nearly as many now.

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      Seth

      9 years ago

      Great thoughts, as always. Golf is a great sport, and one that I love more than I can afford. The only true test of growing the sport of golf is rounds played, and specifically, rounds played by beginners. I don’t even think that stat is kept. Sadly, I think Geo is right. Golf is faced with a defining question, does it want to remain as a sport for the well off, or does it want to become a game for the masses? Following many of the articles posted recently it sounds as if the game is going to return to it’s roots. Companies will be doing away with discounting new equipment and, as Geo points out, public access courses are closing, which will make it harder for the masses to play. Bottom line, growing the game requires new people playing. That means golf needs to become a quantity over quality sport, which simply isn’t realistically going to happen.

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      JB

      9 years ago

      A non-conforming club really won’t help much if the golfer can’t hit the ball any where close to solid. Nor will it reduce the price of golf, nor the pace of play. Maybe some people will like the feeling of knowing they are cheating, but how does that grow golf?

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      Mike

      9 years ago

      The last thing we need is the bastardization of the game of golf to make room for a bunch of as*wipes that will hang around for a couple years. The sooner we get back to less courses and REAL golf enthusiasts, the better. Golf doesn’t need to grow it just needs to stay at the level it was before Tiger. The last thing we need is another bunch of band wagon jumpers like the Tiger followers. Non-conforming clubs. Are you fu**ing kidding me? Why not let the air out of footballs? Oh, thats right they did that! If I ever see one of my friends with a non-conforming club, they will be done on our foursome. This article is exactly what is wrong with golf. Golf isn’t supposed to be for everyone. That’s why it’s GOLF!! It’s not supposed to be the biggest industry in the world and support every leeching golf club maker & Tiger want-a-be! Use a bigger hole, godd**mn it; shut up. Play it with a ball by kicking it; godd**mn it shut up! This are only solutions that will yield temporary people who will leave at the soonest possible opportunity. Then they’ll sit around at parties telling people how they used to play these games. So sad! WE DON’T need an industry that has so many temporary followers. Somehow we got along before all this sh**!

      Sign me; Tired of this sh**!

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      Hiduce

      9 years ago

      What’s the difference between playing with “non-conforming” clubs and playing from the “up” tees? Or doing any one of a number of “cheats” on course(LC&P when in the rough, taking a drop when you should be taking S&D, not marking every ball on the green, etc…) most golfers don’t even know every minute rule anyway so they are breaking them all the time as it is. Why do things like slow-pitch soft ball, half-court basketball and flag football exist? Its because not everyone is a pro, has the time and/or money to groove the perfect swing.. yet they still would like to enjoy the game. I’ve played in Japan with people that use “non-conforming” clubs. There’s no shame in it and they are just as much of an “enthusiast” as you or I, if not more. The difference is they are playing the game for enjoyment, not to have some fantasy that they need to play the same exact rules as a pro for them to be considered worthy of the game. Maybe it’s people with self-righteous attitudes like this that is driving newbies away from the game… By the tone of your post, i wouldent think you would have to worry so much about booting people from your foursome as much as finding people to play with in the first place.

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      Regis

      9 years ago

      The problem is most of us have no idea what the potential benefits of a non-conforming club might be. In the old days it used to be a “Superball” . Now the focus is on the driver. Now if a non conforming driver allows the average guy to pick up 10 yards, most wouldn’t have a major problem. But if that exact same driver allows the single digit player to pick up 70 yards then far more might object. And that is the argument for conformity. I personally have no problem with someone else playing with such a club. Not for me. Many years ago I was playing a casual round that quickly morphed into the round of my life. On the 10th hole I hooked a tee shot into a pond. I declined a kindly offer of a mulligan. One of my friends asked why. The other replied because he knows he has a shot to break par and if he does he wants to know it was legit. Needless to say I didn’t but you get the point

      Jason Riley

      9 years ago

      I think the issue with measuring “the money” is that revenue data are more difficult to collect — considering every course, every equipment manufacturer, every clothing manufacturer, all over the world) — never mind profit, which is the real number. Any privately held company is typically loathe to part ways with that kind of information, and publicly held companies only disclose it because the SEC requires it.

      The only objective way to measure the growth (or lack thereof) of golf as a sport is rounds played. Now one could argue that we should be measuring holes played instead (to account for the shorter, 9- and 6-hole rounds that some courses are encouraging), but that number could of course easily be extrapolated to 18-hole rounds so that data is comparable over time. In terms of measuring participation in golf as a sport I’m not certain what’s wrong with this metric, to be honest.

      With that said, what rounds played does not account for is participation in golf as entertainment or activity, i.e. TopGolf. My personal point-of-view is that I don’t really care about the growth of golf as entertainment, because it’s not “golf” — the sport that is played by professionals, that fills courses and golf carts, that sells clubs and bags and hats and shorts. If the growth of concepts like indoor golf or TopGolf results in growth in rounds played, super. But I’m with you — I don’t see how they do.

      The growth of the sport is what I believe courses and equipment manufacturers should be concerned with as that is the clearest, most objective measure of interest in the game itself. That this number is in steady decline has the industry searching for a metric that’s heading in the right direction, but it’s no fault of the measurement itself.

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      Jim

      9 years ago

      I think that during the Tiger era and before the recession, golf courses zeroed in on corporate affairs, company tournaments, etc. and neglected junior golf programmes. I have been a convenor for a high school golf programme in Ontario, Canada. Ten or eleven years ago I was being turned down by courses who didn’t want kids ruining their course. Today, they are calling me to book tournaments.
      By neglecting juniors, the industry cut off a base of new, up and coming players. I am happy to say though that in Toronto, the trend seems to be reversing. There are more family days being offered, free morning group lessons are advertised and juniors are not treated like lepers.
      These efforts may reap rewards in the next few years.
      Also, as the economy rebounds, more people will begin to enjoy the game of golf. I know that there is a lot of discussion around the length or a round of golf, and slow play, but it is also an expensive sport. Initial costs are high (clubs, bag, balls etc.) and ongoing costs (green fees) aren’t cheap. It is one of the first family activities one cuts to save money. I believe that as the economy turns, more players will be booking tee times.

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      Chal

      9 years ago

      Tony,

      Very insightful. I have a passion for this game that has lasted decades. My son is 8 and started really playing some last year. This year we got shoes, clothes and he can’t wait to play his first full 9 holes. My girlfriend picked up the game last year and played 6 rounds. Her daughters all want clubs and want to play this year. The oldest is talking about high school golf. I hope to pass on this wonderful sport and its values to all of them. But, Golf is not for everyone. I think you hit home with all anyone really cares about is making more money. I am very traditional when it comes to this sport. I don’t care about nonconforming equipment, it isn’t golf anymore. I love that my rules and clubs are the same as Phil and Tiger. I worked very hard to get decent at this sport, I think everyone should put in the time if they want to play well. A club should not make someone hit it straight, far, spin, whatever. The player should have the skill to do that. As long as growth only involves how much more money can we make, we will never see growth.

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      Don

      9 years ago

      Agree totally with your thoughts. especially on the non conforming equipment.

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      Geo

      9 years ago

      Grow The Game. Heard it a million times ….

      Here’s the real state of the game. And it’s a combination of things. Golfers have gone back to Pre-Tiger levels. And will continue to go down. The question is … Why?

      The “Tiger Boom”. Was a bust. Think about it. That time span was 1997-2008. That 10 year old who watched the 1997 Masters win is now 28. Kids… Maybe a job… Bills. Couple that with a bad economy. The golfers aren’t there.

      Golf courses. It will take another 10 years of course closings to get to a decent level. The era of cookie cutter upscale public courses with a signature hole and snappy logo are done. And a lot of mom & pop courses owned for years.. Are cashing out. I know of 2 courses locally that are being plowed under because it’s more valuable as farmland. Both has been in existence since the early 60s.

      Golf equipment. Amazing how a business has changed. So much that the facility where a game is played (golf course) is one of the last places to purchase equipment.

      The fact of the matter is. The youth don’t have the time or money to play. They want to play a game that’s faster and easier. The 20 somethings have other priorities. The economy is pressing out course owners, equipment buyers and players

      The fact is. (Once people understand it is simple) Golf is back to a game for the people who can afford it. The wealthy. Cater to them via courses and equipment and you will be fine.

      But you can’t “grow” a game that has people that DID grow… And rejected it.

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      SkipThisAd

      9 years ago

      Amén Geo, well said.

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      booth1974

      9 years ago

      But I wonder if people will eventually come back to the game, if the absence is just a feature of the demands of modern life. My father took up golf in the late 60s when Jack, Arnie etc were in their pomp, he lived in Scotland at the time so there were plenty of places to play, then when I came along his responsibilities changed the clubs were packed away.

      It was only when I reached 9-10 years old that he got them out again, taking me along with a cut down 7 iron. I wonder if we’ll only know if the Tiger Boom was a bust when that generation have kids of their own of a playing age? will they come back or not?

      Now I have a 2 year old daughter and I rarely get to tee it up, so history is repeating itself. I think the 7-8 year gap could be normal and the industry decline might not be as bad as it first seems.

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      W

      9 years ago

      Geo, you said “The “Tiger Boom”. Was a bust. Think about it. That time span was 1997-2008. That 10 year old who watched the 1997 Masters win is now 28. Kids… Maybe a job… Bills. Couple that with a bad economy. The golfers aren’t there.”

      I have to say that just isn’t true. I’m 29 this year. I regularly play with guys that are mid 20s to mid 30s (friends from college). Really only two of the guys played growing up, and the rest of us picked it up in college. I think the key was that walking the course in college was very low cost. Maybe $12 or $15 as a student I think. So we started playing because we could drink on the course, we were all pretty bad, and it was cheaper per hour then going to a movie.

      Now we’ve kept playing. Most of us are fairly restricted to weekends and company outings, but I know about 25% of us put in 20-30 rounds per year, and pay membership fees to courses. Some of the other guys may only play 10 times a year, but they keep playing, and are always wishing they could play more. We’re also all willing to pay more then we did back in college. We started playing when we had basically no money, and we loved the game. Now, despite the economy, jobs, life, etc, we’ve kept playing. There are plenty of golfers in their mid 20s to mid 30s playing. People just seem to forget about them as “growing the game” because we generally aren’t playing daily, or spending $500 – $2000 a year a clubs. But if you talk about bodies on the course, that demographic is out there.

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      Regis

      9 years ago

      That’s a great point. I’ve been playing a long time. I now pretty much play on a public course and every once in a while you get a guy or a group that starts bitching on the first tee about the group in front. Now pace on a golf course is like a snake. if a group has a hole open that’s one thing but its rare. Usually guys are set to bitch when they show up and to be fair they aren’t much better or faster than any other group. So I always ask-if you finish in 4:35 as opposed to 4:25 does it really make that much difference? Let these guys enjoy their game.

      W

      9 years ago

      I completely agree. I want to get done in 2.5hrs if I can, but when I go to a public course on the weekend, especially one that is mid to lower prices, I expect it to take 4.5 to 5 hours. It’s painful, and honestly I blame that on course planning more then the group in front. But hey, they need maximize revenues, I get it. If you want a solid pace of play on Sat/Sun afternoon, pay for a premium course or join a club. Even the slowest and newer players will normally let someone play through if they are creating a gap. It’s all about attitude. If you go in expecting to wait on the tee box, just think of it as a great way to relax and enjoy being out of the office/house.

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