Should Golf Be Concerned?
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Should Golf Be Concerned?

Should Golf Be Concerned?

The May sales report for the golf equipment industry came out a couple of weeks ago, and what it shows could be cause for concern for both manufacturers and retailers.

While it’s a huge stretch to say that you stopped buying golf equipment entirely in May, it’s reasonable to say that you bought quite a bit less of it than most anyone in the golf industry thought you would.

We’re told that hard goods (anything with a grip) sales from January through April were more or less flat on a year over year basis, which makes a sudden May (typically one of the most lucrative months for golf equipment sales) downturn all the more surprising.

How bad is it?

The numbers we were provided show that, industry-wide, unit sales of metalwoods were down nearly 30% on a year over year basis, while unit sales of irons for the same period dropped by roughly 20%. As you might expect revenues declined as well, again led by the metalwood category where dollar sales were off by more than a 22%.

In fact, every major hard goods category declined by double-digits on a year over year basis, and while apparel and footwear weren’t hit nearly as hard, sales in those categories also declined.

The golf equipment industry is evolving to a new model, and the consumer doesn’t appear to be embracing it.

So what happened?

The obvious and simple answer is that you, the consumer, took a sudden break from buying golf equipment last month.

The question that’s a bit harder to answer is why.

To get a better sense of what might be going on we checked in with our contacts on both the OEM and retail side.

The OEM Perspective

The OEM guys we contacted cited a list of potential culprits that includes many of the usual suspects; the weather, the economy, uneasiness over the election, fewer millennials taking up the game, and the ubiquitous market saturation, or more aptly, over-saturation, of the last several years.

Others pointed to more specific issues. $500 flagship drivers are out of many golfer’s price range, and with entry-level models now hitting shelves at $350 or more, there’s a legitimate lack of product, or at least new product, available at truly accessible prices.

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It’s entirely possible that the industry has started to price itself of its own market.

Toss in things some companies have done to right their metaphorical ships – things like extending product cycles, improving inventory management, and ultimately offering substantially fewer discounts, and you’ve got a reasonable estimation of the source of the current problem.

For the moment, the days of slash and burn appear over. The industry is evolving (for real this time) to a new model, and the consumer doesn’t appear to be embracing it.

The Retailer Perspective

The good news from the retailer perspective is that it’s not happening everywhere.

One retailer I spoke with (might remember him from his Insider’s Look at the State of Golf Retail) told me that his business is up 6% from last year, but the drop doesn’t surprise him. He attributes his growth to focusing heavily on two brands, mixing in a little bit from two more, and carrying little to nothing from anybody else.

In his estimation, if the industry lost 3 or 4 OEMs it probably wouldn’t be a bad thing for the overall health of the market.

Another retailer told me that while his metalwoods numbers are down, his profits in the driver category are level, and fairways and hybrids aren’t off as by nearly as much as the market as a whole.

More encouragingly perhaps, his iron and wedges sales are actually up by 5%, which he largely attributes to strong sales of PXG.

That retailer, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of industry reprisal, places blame squarely on the OEMs and the changes many have made to both the timing and frequency of their releases.

“Releasing products in September through December is terrible for the seasonal market no matter what the OEM’s forecasts show. I don’t know how many times we have begged them to go back to the old release-it-at-the-show days. New product in September does not stimulate sales, and by the time spring rolls around the buzz is gone.”

The same source also cited longer release cycles, new product that’s barely distinguishable from the previous generation, and a general lack of innovation as contributing factors to the decline.

“With the golf market being 9% of the population, to be realistic, once you have a hot product and it has been out for a while, the market is saturated. You need to stimulate growth with some new innovation.“

Our Theory

After talking with retailers and the guys inside the OEMs, and of course reading through your comments on our stories over the last year, we believe that while weather and other macroeconomic factors may have contributed to the dip, higher in-line prices coupled with a substantially fewer discounts likely account for the bulk of the explanation.

It’s possible, even likely, that some manufacturers believed that a sparse discount market would encourage more consumers to pay full retail price. Instead it appears a good number of you may be content to wait it out.

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Eventually everything goes on sale, right?

Should the OEMs be concerned?

The short, and perhaps most accurate answer is that it’s really too soon to know. It’s important to note that we’re talking about a single data point, one month, a blip if you will, but nevertheless, it’s a fairly big blip on what has been a relatively clear, or at least consistent, screen.

While June’s numbers (due mid-July) will likely provide some clarity, one OEM insider believes we’re seeing a redefining of what a healthy and profitable equipment industry looks like.

Simply put, this could be the start of a new normal.

If we are on the edge of a downturn the timing is potentially more disruptive for some than others. Acushnet (Titleist/FootJoy) is preparing for an IPO, adidas is working to sell TaylorMade, Adams, and Ashworth, and some smaller OEMs are struggling to maintain business in a changing – and potentially shrinking – market.

If the June report shows a return to expectations, there’s no reason to think the new business as usual won’t continue. If, however, a second blip suggests the beginning of a trend, some may again resort to discounting to help ring the register and boost revenues, while others may find company survival threatened.

Blip or trend…we’ll know in a few weeks.

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      Ray

      8 years ago

      I have never paid full retail for a golf club and I never will. I have always bought the year before or two year old irons or drivers. Anyone who buys the clubs during the initial release is a sucker.

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      Aras

      8 years ago

      So how is the PXG business model going to work in this landscape? $2500 for a set of irons…how does that their brand positioning help the overall growth of the game.?

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      Tony Covey

      8 years ago

      First we have to accept your premise that it’s the role of a golf equipment manufacturer to grow the game. I suppose it would be nice, but every for-profit company exits to make money. We’ve seen in the past that grow golf initiatives by manufacturers (Hack Golf for example) are most just thinly veiled marketing schemes. TaylorMade’s involvement in AJGA and the creation of sets for juniors…growing golf is the feel good story, but it’s really about seeking out new revenue streams and hopefully cultivating new TaylorMade customers. At best it’s growing the game for profit’s sake.

      As for how PXG’s model will work. First…all other factors aside, I’d bet on Bob Parsons every time. The guy’s track record of business success is nearly impeccable. Beyond that, firstly his target market (more affluent golfers) is less impacted by macroeconomic factors. It’s a demographic that habitually spends more on the things they buy…more expensive houses, more expensive cars, more expensive watches, etc.. Nobody asks how Mercedes or Rolex is going to succeed. Guys who habitually spend 30K more than is necessary to meet the basic requirements of an automobile, or who spend 100K (give or take) on country club memberships, aren’t going to blink at an extra 2K for a set of custom irons. The point is, the PXG model is thriving in other luxury markets, so there’s no reason to believe it can’t work in golf.

      Beyond that, PXG is rapidly expanding into Asian markets (the world is bigger than the US – and most of the growth opportunities are beyond our borders). These are markets that are generally more receptive to – and even demand – premium priced products. From what fitters/builders are telling us, PXG has already had a significant impact on its most direct competitors in the US Market (Miura, Epon…basically your mainstream JDM lines). There’s no reason to believe the same thing won’t happen in Asia, particularly when the boutique brands are forced to compete on performance.

      PXG is also intruding on the premium market for our domestic irons, with one source telling me that Callaway has been the largest victim of PXG’s success in the mainstream market. This isn’t particularly surprising given Callaway’s position as the current US market share leader, so it has little to do with their model directly.

      PXG isn’t exactly the feel good story of the year from an affordability or performance for the masses perspective, but from a business success standpoint, it’s exceeding expectations.

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      Drew

      8 years ago

      Of all the clubs in my possession only my irons (I was fitted) and one putter were full retail. The rest were purchased on eBay or on sale. My handicap has not changed much over six years regardless of the brand or class of club I played. I have come to the conclusion that the answer is to work on my swing and not get new equipment. Marketing works but I have to do some critical thinking when you play with folks that are better than you who play equipment that was released years ago (e.get. Ping Eye 2s in the right hands works wonders). At this point it’s in my best interest to avoid the hype when product releases are announced.

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      Max Headingly

      8 years ago

      The OEMs are promoting the sale of pro golfer equipment requiring a minimum of a 100 mph driver head velocity to kick the shaft… and they are suckering the duffers who still believe in “powerful clubs”.

      85% of the male golf market should be playing woman’s spec golf clubs for optimal performance with their 75-80 mph club head speeds. Try selling that to men who want to buy power and still think it’s in the golf club design… like the clubs the pros play.

      BTW, virile men don’t take golf lessons…. that’s only for impotent sissy-whimps. The $500 driver and $300 putter are for bragging rights… toys for boys.

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      Thomas Crisan

      8 years ago

      I play in two leagues some 160 players in all, I have yet to see any new equipment this year. most are using two to four year old tools

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      Quint

      8 years ago

      The good ol days need to return! Drivers need to get back to the $299 dollar range, irons need to drop back to the $599 ish range. Now a days drives are into the $499 range, as well as irons for a 8 club set priced at $999+? For steel shafts? That’s the first mistake. I agree with the overload of the market every year, as well as a fall equipment release. The old PING system was the “G” series in Feb, and the Rapture series in Oct. That wasn’t so bad. Golf club companies should stop releasing so much expensive equipment, and stop praying on customers to spend money that way. The old demo days need to return! You can find a demo day hardly anywhere anymore. Far and few between. That’s how you promote, not charging more, but show golfers you care, buy letting them try the products outside and not in a cage, like the PGA stores, or Dick’s. Hard to get a true read by a computer simulator. Golfers need to see the ball flight as if they were hitting it outside. There may be demo days out there, but where I live, they don’t exist anymore. :(

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      Bryant Blanton

      8 years ago

      My line of logic is this (i’ll use examples to demonstrate)..
      The M1 driver is the longest, straightest driver I’ve ever hit.. I hit it 361 yds, 8 yards off line on the monitor at GolfSmith.. I would like to own that driver.. I used to own the R11s (off eBay), which I would poke out there anywhere from 310-330.. But never quite knew where it was going.. I traded my brother-in-law for his 910D2, which I hit about 285-310 and rarely leave the fairway.. I’M GOOD with my current driver, but I recognize that the M1 is superior.. For me, waiting is twofold.. Firstly, I get to find out if the “next big thing” will actually be EVEN BETTER than the M1, and then I’ll be spending money on the most superior product, rather than settling for something just because it’s a bit better than what I have.. Secondly, if I see that it’s not better (or at least not much better), then I get th M1 at a huge discount.. It becomes a win-win for me..

      Also, the big OEM’s have been relying on their marketing tactics to convince us that the equipment makes the golfer, which we’re realizing isn’t the case.. The occasional golfers can no longer afford to upgrade their equipment, and have little reason to do so, and those who are serious about golfing and improving their game face a different dilemma..
      Again, taking myself as an example.. I know that to truly justify a $1200 iron purchase (along with most any other major club purchase), I should do it right – get properly fit for length, loft, and lie adjustments, shaft selection, even grips.. And that’s all on top of proper club head selection.. But I don’t trust the big box stores to be as thorough, accurate, and precise as they should be for that cost, but for the OEM’s, a custom fitting falls entirely on the consumer.. I don’t live near any of their headquarters, and the demo days are few and far-between, so it’s gonna cost me a plane ticket, hotel stay, etc, just to have the opportunity.. That’s a heck of a tab to run up on top of the cost of irons.. Especially when I could potentially obtain a large portion of those improvements to my game by simply having my current set custom fit to me..
      Consumers are no longer ok with being thrown into cookie-cutter sets, and they’re not ok with the price of semi-custom sets rising above the cookie-cutter sets.. The OEM’s will lose this battle if they don’t adjust accordingly

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      mathieu

      8 years ago

      Lets say that i want a complete new golf set. Here in canada irons are 1300$, two wedge at 160$ each, two hybrid at 250, a fairway at 350$ and a driver at 550$. And finally a putter(not fit) for 200$. We are around the 3400$ mark and, the green fees are not paid yet. That is a lot. Now i buy used when i want to try something else.

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      Nils Nelson

      8 years ago

      The flashing Aldila ad at the bottom of my screen is so obnoxious and distracting I’m having trouble reading the text. Oh shit, I forgot! It’s not an ad. Aldila is a SPONSOR!

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      Don Wood

      8 years ago

      Simple for me. When I want a new club, I go to eBay, one of the numerous used club retailers, or the classifieds of the big websites. Could I spend $500 on a new driver? Yes, but why? I play once maybe twice per week and carry a 16-18 handicap. A new driver isn’t going to lower my scores no matter which one I buy. If OEMs want my money, they need true game changing technology at $250-300 max for woods or irons. Otherwise, I’m good with what I have.

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      chris haas

      8 years ago

      I have not read all the comments so I apologise if this has been covered. I’m retired , play 2/3 times a week and am well able to afford any golf equipment. However I refuse to pay what I consider the outlandish price for brand new clubs. I wait 6 months or so and check ebay and either buy then or wait for a few more months. I do not see how clubs that are (so I’ve been told) made in one of three factories in China by workers who make, what $50 a week, can be so expensive? Yes, there is R & D etc, etc but $500 for one club? Not only the initial price but the price one is offered for clubs six months to a year old is indicative of the huge mark up by the OEM.

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      Sean

      8 years ago

      It’s really simple people. Middle class and lower classes have increased over the last 10-15 years. Wages for these people are stagnant for over 30 years. Golf clubs have only increased in price. Golf courses went bigger and pricier. Now everyone who decided to try golf because of Tiger realizes they cant be Tiger. People with children cannot afford to let them try golf, or at least enough that they develop some talent. Noones coming in because if you dont start as a child this is not a game you take up until well into adulthood.

      I have played golf since the age of 2. Thats 29 years involved with golf. I was lucky I had middle class parents that invested in me, and my happiness and did it through golf. I have had only two jobs not in the golf industry.

      I have never paid full price for anything in golf. I cannot and have not ever been able to afford golf as is without being involved in the industry. I play for free where i work, i only use hot deals on golfnow.com to play elsewhere, i have always recieved discounts, usually at cost for shoes, clothes, clubs. I only play found Pro Vs.

      Its just like everything else if its not affordable for 80% or so of people then your a niche market.

      So unless your one of the lucky few who can afford the best things in life all the time, so called “socialism” looks very promising as a way to lower costs and bring new people to golf more often. Or we can all keep fighting for scraps and only PXG and Trump golf courses will be what is golf.

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      Bill

      8 years ago

      Socialism is never the answer to anything..its the direction we’re being forced towards and the economy gets progressively worse, freedoms are taken away, poor leadership ignores the people its supposed to represent and fools wonder why things aren’t as good as in years past.
      Clue: it isn’t $500 drivers..the market is already flipping the conglomerates that took over golf the bird. Look for the OEM shakeout to continue..its a market correction.

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      Justin

      8 years ago

      What a dumbass you are…
      Paint a doomsday picture and then proclaim that socialism is the answer. Hey Stalin, calm your tits!

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      Andrew

      8 years ago

      Stalin wasn’t a socialist. Stalin wasn’t a communist. He was a tyrant. We should not speak of what we don’t know.

      Uhit

      8 years ago

      Well Andrew,

      you should have told that the (self announced) working class, a tad earlier…
      …Adolf also had used a form of the socialism as working horse for his dreams…

      …socialism, communism, or simply all ideologies and religions, where they try to squeeze people in one scheme, are prone to be abused, as a tool for tyrants…

      …therefore democracy was invented.

      However, as we see nowadays (GDR etc.), even democracy isn’t a functional concept…
      …because everything can be labeled as democracy – even if it is far from being one.

      I have to struggle to name one real democratic country…
      …even Switzerland has a hard time to keep the principles of democracy alive.

      …now, you probably know, why some people play (and love) golf.

      Don’t let this sport down, where a individual really counts, and where one can relax and observe and develop one self!

      Justin

      8 years ago

      You are the same person that tries to win arguments by correcting someone’s grammar. I was obviously responding to an outlandish comment with another outlandish comment, but all you cared to do was make sure that people know what they can and can’t speak about. Who’s the tyrant now?

      Uhit

      8 years ago

      By any chance, do you know how much Kim Jong paid for the golf clubs, he used during his first round of golf with 11 hole in one?

      And which golf clubs did he use?

      How is the golf industry in his country?
      How many people in Northern Korea play golf and contribute to the golf industry?

      And now for something completely different:

      I guess, that we should also take into account, that many people, use rather their Smartphone, than a golf club.
      People often forget to go outside…
      …to a golf course, or a park etc…
      …and if they do, then they communicate, or consume with their mobil devices.

      No time to walk and talk with a buddy during a round of golf.

      I think we should focus on the quality for living, which golf can provide, to attract people.

      No greed, no envy, no political, ideological, or religious cage.

      Cheers!

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      Steve S

      8 years ago

      I don’t agree that you can’t take up the game late in life. Anyone with a moderate athletic ability can learn to play. I took the game up in 2003 at the age of 52 because I couldn’t play baseball and softball anymore due to injuries….and I was a mediocre ballplayer. I’m currently a 12 handicap. A work friend was a tennis player and took the game up after my urging 5 years ago. He’s a 14. Not great players but respectable. It took me a year to regularly break 90. Now I occasionally break 80.

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      Sean

      8 years ago

      I said unless you play it regularly as a child, you dont take up the game until well into adulthood, like age 52. My father didnt start until his mid 30s.

      I dont agree with giving people anything for nothing. However its just a numbers thing, more people in middle class incomes, that stay flat, while prices for goods rise. Houses, food, clothes, as well as everything golf related has gone up in price while wages for the vast majority of Americans has stayed flat. Without a drastic change in how we divide up resources our current trend will push more and more people out of the market for golf. This in my opinion will only allow the likes of PXG and Donald Trump golf courses and those who can afford them to be involved in the game. Necessities always come first and golf is not one.

      Pete the Pro

      8 years ago

      We don’t like it, but golf is in decline. Add this unpalatable truth to the fact that technology has reached its limit when it comes to the design and manufacture of clubs and balls – read the Rules of Golf everyone, its all there for us to digest. So, put yourself in the seat of the brand name manufacturer. What are you going to produce that has not yet been done and is therefore protected by patent? Whilst conforming to the Rules of Golf that apply to the ball and club? Up until now, lots of you have ideas that I am sure seem reasonable until you try them for yourself.

      This $500 driver story is such a nonsense. Listen everybody…… nobody is forcing you to buy a new driver. It’s not compulsory, it’s not the law, you don’t HAVE to do it. Equally, it’s not product cycles either. You don’t HAVE to wait until a model is for clearance to make your decision to buy. The golf retail market is flooded with clubs. The manufacturers cannot keep going with drivers at the cutting edge of technology for $199. The numbers don’t stack up. You will re-tool, re-market and make a fat loss. Yes, once the clubs are coming off the production line, the materials plus labour, warehousing, distribution, etc. will not be anything like the final price of the club in the shop. We accept this when purchasing our latest ‘phone / medication / car / meal out with the family / etc. but many find it unacceptable with golf clubs.

      I know something about the golf industry. I’ve been finacially supporting part of it for a few years. What you do is open a golf shop, wait for the market to reach its end of the road and face a tough reality. After you have sat and thought about being the boss of one of the golf club manufacturers and how you are going to change the face of the industry, try making a living at the retail end. Golfers still want your products, but at a significantly reduced price. They still want to try it out (for free) and have the custom fit session (for free) using the shops launch monitor (costs thousands of $) and maybe its a sale. But if the player has an unrealistic expectation of what a club can do and the figures on the launch monitor don’t justify the price, its a tough sale.

      So, none of us have the answers, do we? What’s so sad, I think, is that we should be playing the game for fun, for pleasure. Because its such a fantastic sport when the stupid ball does what we want. The greatest opportunity lies not in equipment, but in how to use it. Sadly, there are too many golfers who have failed to find a good instructor and who are currently pursuing concepts that will allow improvement. I mean, basics, the simple stuff. From golf instructors who have the ability to convert complexity into clear and concise explanation and demonstration. So, here comes Pete the Pro with the definitive figure; the percentage of golfers who truly understand what they are trying to achieve – about 2%. I know, I know, we don’t like this number.

      Briefly, back to golf clubs – we’re mostly making a loss. As a retailer is a declining market, it’s a fat loss. Several big name manufacturers support the golf industry through porifits from other sports whilst they decide how to ditch their investment in golf.

      By the way, custom fitted golf equipment costs the same of standard golf equipment.

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      Tom Wishon

      8 years ago

      Several here have voiced the opinion that if you spend the $400 or $500 on lessons that you would have spent on a new overhyped driver, you’d automatically improve and the money would be better spent. That can’t happen as long as the OEMS keep shoving a 45-46″ standard men’s driver length and 44.5″ std women’s driver length down golfers’ throats. I’ve done the research and others with more smarts have calculated the bio mechanical effect of load and stress on the swing when trying to hit a driver of that length. Given the average to below average athletic ability of millions of golfers, they’re wasting money trying to take lessons with that long of a driver. Cut it down to 43-43.5 and the success in lessons increases by a lot because the length is not preventing the golfer from learning the swing changes necessary to improve.

      Bottom line is that if golf were forced to sell clubs only off the rack, TONS of golfers would be far better off with the standard specs of the 1960s (43″ drivers, 32* 5 irons) than with the standard specs of today. This is yet one more thing in the modern club business that is adding to all the others mentioned in the many posts here to drive things down.

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      JB

      8 years ago

      I completely agree with what you are saying. I would be willing to bet that 1960 standard lengths with today’s club heads would be far more beneficial to the majority of golfers than the standard lengths of today. OEMs are motivated to sell clubs in standard off the rack setup as it is anyways, because it’s cheaper to produce clubs that way, and their is no cost with fitting the club. This will never change industry wide. There are blended setups where buying a club will come with a free fitting for that club, but these are usually done at the retail level.

      However; I don’t see how this would solve the OEMs issue on profit losses. I also don’t think other’s suggestion on spending the money on lessons solves anything either. Spending money on lessons becomes a competitor for OEMs trying to sell equipment. The other thing I don’t see is how profits and selling clubs has anything to do with the length of clubs. Most consumers don’t pay attention to loft, length, and lie when buying clubs. Everyone I know who plays that is over a 15 handicap wouldn’t be able to tell you the loft, lie, and length of their clubs. Except maybe the driver’s loft. They buy it for other reasons and hold on to it because they need one.

      If a consumer is only going to spend $500 dollars you have to sell yourself as the best “money well spent” product/service. This means they are competing against everyone who says, “your better off getting a custom fitting” and “your better off getting lessons”. Neither of those mind sets helps boost sales for equipment. They are solid ideas, and anyone who can afford it, should do both. However; they don’t solve why OEMs are losing profits and why sales are falling.

      The bottom line is OEMs need to listen to consumers when they say “Prices are too high”, and “Equipment comes out too often”. These are dead giveaways on why consumers aren’t buying clubs, and why OEM’s sales are hurting. Pretending like these aren’t real issues will only hurt. In every other industry and market if the consumer yells “Prices are too high” new products are released with lower price points until that magic price point is found. That is the key. Find the price point where consumers will say “I want a new driver because I can afford it” and sales will follow suite.

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      Steve S

      8 years ago

      I’ve experimented with driver length over the last 6 months. I tried the max (48″) the standard (45.5″ for my club) and short (43.5″). My highest swing speed and most consistent strikes were with the 45.5. I was actually slower with the 48, I think because I knew it was harder to hit the longer club in the center of the clubface. The short was 2-4mph slower with the attendant lose of distance with no appreciable increase in accuracy. Why? Maybe because I’ve been swinging 45″ drivers for about 10 years and that is what my brain is comfortable using.

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      PaulR

      8 years ago

      Tom,

      Have average lie angles become more upright as well since the 60’s? Curious to know if that has changed also.

      All the best

      PaulR

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      JB

      8 years ago

      A great way to view this is to look at other markets to get an idea. The smartphone market for example has found the magic price point between consumer and OEM at $199 for a phone every 1 to 2 years with a contract. This works. It fuels the sale of phones when they are released.

      At the same time production cycles can’t be any shorter or longer than a year. Tech grows exponentially, so to compete and keep up with competitors, the best phones are on one year cycles. They also maintain selling previous generation models at reduced prices for 2 or 3 years before completely cutting the production line. Releasing a phone early than 1 year (Samsung tried it) and it doesn’t work. Consumers don’t want to spend $199 bucks twice a year.

      Now looking at Golf and I would say the same applies. OEMs need to find that magic price point for all clubs really. $150 for a wedge is pretty good, and should be the standard cost of any single club. Iron sets should be based on that same $150 per club with a discount for buying the set (i.e. so if you did the math each club would cost less than $150). This would keep iron prices in check and encourage folks to buy a whole set. As it is right now it is cheaper to buy the clubs you need as singles vs buying a whole set (i.e. If all you play is 4-9 from an iron set, why buy a 3-PW or even 4-GW set?). OEMs need to recognize this and adjust their set bundles and price points.

      OEMs could fix the profit if they adopted a similar cycle as the smartphone industry. However; this would only work for OEMs that insist on 1 year or shorter product cycles (Lets be honest thought, this is still a bad idea). Like the automotive world, Golf needs to determine what the average keep rate of clubs are and adjust product cycle refreshes based on that. For example in America the average age for a car is under 10 years. So American car companies run 5 year production cycles. In Japan the average age for a car is less than 3 years. So Japanese car companies run 2-3 year cycles. If golf OEMs matched the product cycles to the same keep rate they would reduce operating costs, up resale value, and lesson the need for discounts. They also could lower the price point to that magic price point. A longer cycle generally means you have longer to re-coup costs and/or lower a price to build market share.

      These are just simple things. Also release equipment in line with the season. Generally speaking the new stuff is always bought at the beginning of the season. Why would someone buy all new clubs at the end of a season, only to not play with them for a long time (obviously weather affects the “season”). Golf can’t run the general consumer model of releasing products in line with the holiday season, and also the tech buying season. You think someone is going to go buy a new iphone in October, or a new driver? Probably the new iphone. Suddenly that new driver has competition from exterior markets, another point OEMs need to consider.

      May is perfect because not a lot is released then. It falls in line with most sports release of the newest and latest and greatest. There is no external market competition (i.e. competing for the consumer’s dollar with toys and electronics during the holiday shopping season).

      Just my thoughts.

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      Steve S

      8 years ago

      JB,

      Great post. Well reasoned and logically thought out. Which means the marketing didos at the OEM’s would never follow any of your suggestions…..

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      JB

      8 years ago

      Probably not. I’m sure this doesn’t dive into details, but it scratches the surface on what is probably a more realistic root cause. I never agree with the argument of macroeconomics. Consumer goods all compete for the consumer’s dollar no matter what the economy is doing. The economy only affects how much a consumer is willing to spend. It doesn’t mean that a consumer will not buy something, but they are more likely to prioritize what they do buy.

      This means external markets UN-related to golf, are now a competition. It’s called external competition in business. The holiday shopping season is the perfect example. If a consumer is only going to spend $1000 over the holiday shopping season and they need to get gifts for all their family members, what is the chances that Dad gets a new $500 driver? 0%! However; if they released products like they have in the past(may), they don’t have to inherently compete with every other consumer good during the holiday season.

      JB

      8 years ago

      I would also add using staggered production cycles. For example Apple is well known to release the newest phones in Sep-Oct time frame, and new iPods at a much later date, and new PCs and laptops at an even later date.

      If golf did this it would also help significantly. Consumers are less likely to replace everything in their bag at the same time than they are to just replace their driver, woods, wedge, etc. So OEMs could take serious advantage of this.

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      Max Zurmuhlen

      8 years ago

      As someone who sells phones, all tue companies have totally ditcjed the 2 year 199 deal. We dont even offer it except for business accounts. You now get a 20$ discount on the connection fee and you pay18 22 28/ month (or there abouts depending on the phones cost) for 20 24 30 months. You want to upgrade every year? You take the 20 month at 28$ and trade in and up every 12. Dont care much? Take the lower payments at 18 for 30 and upgrade after 24 mnths or just keep it past the payment cycle and have a lower bill. Could this work in golf? Get an M1 for 20 a month and trade in and up every year? I dont know. But if we want to see golf grow we need to put money in. Im not wealthy at all but I spend probably at least 1k a year on clubs if not more because I love the sport and the clubs. However now that Im in the low single digits I spend less. I do feel people who play with old clubs and take 6 hours are mooches on the rest of us. If you love golf give it some money and stop the endless wining About kids and bills and whatever. All people do today is proudly bitch about how much money they dont have. Yet they have money for lottery tickets, beer, diners, phones, tvs etc. The moneys there if you want to spend it. People just prefer playing the victim and bragging about how their bertha steel head is just as good as my Alpha 816. I see people every day drop thousands on phones and speakers etc. They dont need. The no disposable income ploy is a joke.

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      Uhit

      8 years ago

      You are spot on with your last sentences…

      …I know many whiners, who smoke their money, or bury it in the 19th hole,
      or collect it as fat, buy twice, or spend it in vacations, they shouldn’t be able to afford, on base of what they claimed…

      …let’s face it:

      There are many greedy people around, who think that they are clever, if they destroy a market, just to buy something cheap, for the sake of it!

      Hacker Mark

      8 years ago

      We can’t go blaming the fact that Tiger is not on tour for this down turn. I’ll share what I have done for the past to model releases for my driver. I play a Ping I25 I hit it about 240-250 on a good day. Ping has built two incredible advanced newer driver since I brought mine in 2014 for I believe $299. The new clubs now start at $399 plus there will be a additional charge if I need an upgraded shaft. I have read all he reviews for both the G30 and G series drivers, but the proof is what is does for my game. So I have gone to my local golf store and paid for a driver fitting both times I had my old I25 with me. The new drivers just don’t offer enough improvement to my game to justify the $400 price tag and $400 is more than a few rounds of golf. The other thing that has changed my buy habits is the secondary market. When I got my I25 I traded in a G20 and they gave me $95 in trade when I inquired about trading my club against the G30 they told me it was worth $50. So I lost 50% of the value and the price of the new driver increased by a third. That made me leave with my old driver and until I break it which is unlikely. I’ll just keep trying the new stuff until it makes a difference in my game or they put the new clubs on a can’t pass this up sale.

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      jsfvegas

      8 years ago

      Why pay retail now-a-days? I buy new clubs that are 1-2 year old models. In the last week I bought 3 new 2015 TaylorMade Mini Drivers. One for myself and 2 for friends. These clubs retailed in March 2015 for $280 plus tax. On eBay I paid $37 (LH) $60 & $66 (RH) plus $12.99 each shipping. So for $50-$73-$79 each delivered to my door. Last year I bought a new Cobra Amp Cell driver for $60 delivered. Bought a new Odyssey Metal-X Dart Long putter on eBay for $20 delivered. Cut it down to make a counter balanced putter, added a weight in the top of the shaft, put a Winn Excel 15″ grip on it, beautiful putter. I’ve bought a few new name brand putters for about $25-$35 each. GigaGolf has some great wedges called SGS. They come with a premium True Temper shaft. They will custom cut to your length and adjust the lie free of charge, and comes with a 30 day return policy if you don’t like it. Cost $25.50 plus delivery. (think it was $8) Very nice wedges. My point in putting up these examples is to show there are great deals out there if you take a little time to research it. It doesn’t require a lot of time, but more time than walking into a store and buying a usually over priced set off the rack. And there are many other examples of deals, but too many to mention here. And as many others have said, spend your saved money on lessons, getting fitted and/or at the 19th hole!

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      Uhit

      8 years ago

      I have also bought some used clubs and older models, to very good prices…

      …however, I think spending money on new clubs is probably better for your health,
      than drinking on the 19th hole, or lessons which direct you in the wrong direction,
      or a clumsy fitting.

      Well fitted clubs, are the best bang for your money – isn’t it?

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      jsfvegas

      8 years ago

      Nope. Nothing wrong with having a beer/drink in the 19th hole after a round. Never a lesson? So how does one at least get off in the right direction when starting up the game, just swing and hope for the best? You mention well fitted clubs are the best bang for your money, but then call it a clumsy fitting? Too each their own I guess.

      Uhit

      8 years ago

      Nope. If you spend your saved money (500$) at the 19th hole, what is the benefit for your health (and / or golf game) in comparison to a new driver?
      If you spend 500$ for lessons with a mediocre pro, you probably won’t get at the top like Bubba Watson etc…
      …but if you find your swing because of a 500$ club that suits your rhythm,.you will improve.
      If you pay 500$ for a fitting, that only covers your swing faults, you won’t get better in your game. A adjustable Driver can teach you how to play a fade, a draw and a straight shot…
      …and can be optimised for a course, with mostly left, or right doglegs etc.
      …but what do I know?
      Too each their own…

      jsfvegas

      8 years ago

      Nope. Sounds like you know something about everything. Too each their own I guess.

      Uhit

      8 years ago

      you probably wanna say:

      to each their own… ;-)

      jsfvegas

      8 years ago

      Nope.

      Uhit

      8 years ago

      Ah, well, you love to say:

      Nope

      …nope?

      I’m glad, that we have talked about that…

      …now, I feel a great relief, that golf still exists.

      jsfvegas

      8 years ago

      Yep. I’m off to the 19th hole to have a beer. Cheers!

      Steve S

      8 years ago

      The OEM’s are stupid. They are missing on obvious demographic. Boomers. As a member smack the middle of that group I’ve joined a number of senior leagues as a sub. Most of the guys have older equipment because they see little or no improvement in their games with the new stuff.

      Bring out equipment for OLDIES that exceeds all the limits. COR of .9 on woods and irons. All the old guys would LOVE to go back to playing the men’s tees and don’t give a crap about the USGA rules. To keep the youngun’s from sneaking them in, label them as SENIOR clubs, maybe have AARP labels and logos on them.

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      STAN ENSZ

      8 years ago

      Great idea for seniors. Mens tees are fine for some, but a lot of us need a total length under 5000 yds. They need to be labeled for seniors not womens tees. Put some gold tees out, many men will not play a tee labeled for women

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      SMRT

      8 years ago

      In my opinion, the golf companies have done this to themselves by having multiple drivers released in the same year and continuing to increase prices. At some point customers are going to realize that just because it’s new doesn’t mean it’s better!
      I also understand the whole, “you get what you pay for” mentality but I’m not sure all golf equipment fits into that mindset. I love my Sinister Golf Agent Orange driver and it cost me 1/4 of what a new Taylormade or Callaway driver costs. The AO driver also performs better for me.
      Bottom line, I would rather pay for the club rather than pay for a professionals endorsement.

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      STAN ENSZ

      8 years ago

      Tiger is history, the people he brought to the game weren’t welcomed the way they should have been. Golf will return to its ” country club” heritage.

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      Noblestone

      8 years ago

      Quite simply, why spend $500 on a driver that doesn’t perform any better than the one you currently have?

      Not many ‘mug punters’ around anymore. We are told about higher ball speeds from more of the face etc but when this doesn’t translate to the course we keep our money in our pocket. A history of false claims & broken promises…… their is no trust in the industry anymore.

      If i see bargain on last years model i’ll consider it but will never pay anywhere near RRP for a Driver as long as i live.

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      Pointer

      8 years ago

      Q: “We want to hear from you
      Are you spending less on golf equipment? Why? We…and no doubt the golf companies, would like to know.”

      A: BECAUSE WE ARE NOT STUPID.
      A: BECAUSE OEMs and THEIR STOCKHOLDERS ARE GREEDY-stupid.
      A: BECAUSE Bogie Golfers and ‘hustlers’ can beat HELL OUT of the game with a mixed set of ‘Dimestore clubs’.

      DUH!

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      TonyG

      8 years ago

      Sounds like some one got take to the cleaners.

      But one good point. You may not want to take advertising dollars but maybe Golf Spy should be paid for poll questions

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      Steve

      8 years ago

      Over here in South Africa, that $500 driver is priced closer to $700 (given the exchange rate). We have a rather different demographic explaining much of that difference, but they are struggling to sell. More interestingly, I have seen the ‘re’-release of the RBZ (now in black) for close to $300 (with the exchange rate), a club (in white) they would not take in trade for $50, even if still in plastic.

      Even though I want to be a club ho, I still cannot find what I am looking for. Shaft lengths on hybrids mean that they do not fit with my irons. If I can find the right lofts and heavy enough shafts and cut them down, I still have to figure out how to re-weight them… Further, I have to buy a full set of irons (we do not have partial sets unless custom ordered and the price is basically the same as the full set), while loft jacking means that the gap between my PW and my GW is too big. I almost need to buy another gap wedge.

      PS, some of those $1200 irons are selling here for closer to $1600 off the rack… International sales are likely a disaster!

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      Guanto

      8 years ago

      I’m sorry but why is no one talking about all the “no-upcharge” shafts being a factor? A bunch of these shafts are anywhere from $300 to $400 alone (msrp) and no one bats an eye? Complaints use to be about having to spend $350 on a driver and getting stuck with a made for shaft. Now at least you can get some options when spending another hundred or so. Ya Ya I know the oems only pay a tiny bit more when ordering real deal shafts in bulk but when shafts alone cost almost as much as a top tier 2014 driver the shaft manufacturer’s are just as bad. This isn’t an excuse what’s so ever but I’d rather pay an extra $100 instead of 3-$400 more to put a better performing shaft in my driver. Those $500 drivers from some oems can be had in near mint condition for $300 if you put in 5 minutes of time online also. Anyone want to bet we see a single length iron review here soon?

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      Uhit

      8 years ago

      Yes, that is a good point…

      …because I don’t see a reason, why I should pay 500 bucks for a shaft – instead of 100…

      …a shaft is much less than a complete driver and costs as much, or even more!

      Because I have a different swing during a demo day, or fitting, I have no chance to get the best shaft for a everyday swing…

      …imagine the costs within the never ending struggle to find the perfect fit, if every try is costing you several hundred bucks!

      Who is complaining about that, and why doesn’t seem the shaft manufacturers to struggle?

      If any pricing in the golf industry is off, then it is the pricing of the shafts!

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      Guanto

      8 years ago

      Lots of talk about getting what you pay for when buying a aftermarket shaft. Consistency, quality materials, specific specs, and quality control etc. Now like I said previously its not any excuse but it’s a valid point. I also realize 80% of M1, M2, BB16, don’t even look at anything other than the stock shafts nor get fit so I can understand where the line of thinking comes from regarding price . Anyways if you also see my last post Mr. Covey I would like to know what you think about it and also the pricing of shafts in these drivers in general. Thanks

      Tony Covey

      8 years ago

      Frankly, I think the no upcharge option is all about making the gearhead consumer feel better about what he’s getting. That particular trend almost certainly accounts for a small portion of the recent price increases, but it doesn’t, by any stretch mean you’re getting something that performs better.

      I did a fitting today. Worked through the ‘real’ no-upcharge stuff, some exotic ($200+ upcharge) stuff, but when all was said and done, the stock, made-for shaft basically obliterated anything else I tried (Longer, straighter, tighter dispersion).

      So I think from a fitting standpoint…a fitters perspective, having a good selection to pull from is always preferable to a single shaft offering, but for the off-the-rack buyer, it’s probably next to meaningless. The majority of the no-charge options aren’t on display at retail, and the off-the-rack buyer typically has no idea what the difference between the options are and which might fit him better.

      There’s this perception that because something isn’t identical to the aftermarket equivalent, then it must be garbage. There’s not a ton of evidence to support that. The exotic stuff…you’re paying for exotic (more costly) materials, exotic (more costly) weave patterns, and of course whatever hype that’s generated via marketing spend.

      At the end of the day relative (and individual) performance is dictated largely by the bend profile…and there aren’t but so many actual variations.

      There’s something to what one reader asked not long ago, “how many times is Aldila going to re-make the NV?”. How many Blueboard replicas are there? Soften here just a bit, stiffen there, lather, rinse, repeat because the tried and true works.

      I’m hoping to have an industry guy I know (whose shaft knowledge is greater than my own) write up something on radial consistency and the idea that more expensive (and presumably higher-quality) shafts exhibit more consistency and don’t need any sort of spining or puring. From what he’s told me, while there may be some loose correlation between quality (consistency) and price, it’s far from absolute, and he’s found some absolute gems in the bargain pile.

      All of that said, the shaft isn’t much different from the head in that when you strip away all of the specifications and the marketing, and whatever else is touted as the point of separation between it (whatever it happens to be) and the next best thing, it really comes down to whether or not it works for you.

      Sometimes what works is the no up-charge Aldila Rogue Silver, sometimes it’s a $500 Oban Kiyoshi Tour Limited, and sometimes it’s the stock made-for whatever.

      Duncan Castles

      8 years ago

      Great idea for an article, Tony. Will look forward to reading that one.

      Jim Stier

      8 years ago

      The increase in performance is so slight, especially in irons and drivers that when I test my present clubs against the new clubs at a demo day it makes no sense at all to purchase expensive new clubs

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      Peter

      8 years ago

      As much as we love new toys, pricing and value for price play big part in my decision to buy new equipment…..especially new launch full price product.
      New purchase usually fit into the budget every 4-5 years as technology changes dramatically with only minor tweaks yearly…not enough to drop my score enough to justify.
      My biggest expenditure has been in lessons ($400) and new balls ($50) new soft technology. Both these have helped my game immensely.
      Will look a drivers or irons in 3-4 years.

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      Mark Boren

      8 years ago

      Yes I wait on price drops

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      RAT

      8 years ago

      The people are wising up. Hype and no substance . The $500 driver is dead. $300 is too much.
      Drop prices or eat it..

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      David

      8 years ago

      I’d like to know how much it cost manufacturers to make that $500+ drivers. If their making large profits, then we may be paying for many pro golfers sponsorships. Not just a driver.

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      D A

      8 years ago

      40 years owning golf distribution company selling grips, heads, shafts and much more- here are highest numbers in my opinion based on the numbers OEM’s usually purchase. most likely less
      grip – $2
      shaft – $50
      head – $50 – after factoring mold costs, design, quality and fancy paint job
      marketing – do not recall the usual – $50 or so

      I welcome corrections / updates to my numbers.

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      Cliffman5000

      8 years ago

      Ebay was my solution. A friend of mine bought a complete taylormade set (driver-putter) through golf galaxy and spent about $2000. All the clubs were brand new but had been released the year before he purchased them and a newer more expensive line was available. I waited until the OEMs released their 2015 lineups and I picked up cobras 2014 bio cell driver, 3w, and 3hybrid all brand new for a total amount under $400 through ebay. A few months later I also bought the 2014 mizuno jpx ez irons 4-GW for $270 after shipping again brand new in the box each club plastic wrapped. I also bought my putter brand new on ebay for $50. My clubs might not be all matching but they do get the job done and I am more than satisfied with all my golf equipment purchases through ebay. At the end of the day I spent less than $1000 for a mixed bag of all new 2014 clubs through ebay compared to my buddy spending $2000 for a all new matching 2014 taylormade set from a retailer. Even though I dont need any clubs at the moment I still “window shop” on ebay because there are some real deals out there compared to retailers.

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      athar

      8 years ago

      Why buy a new driver ? There are no differences except for the nice stories the big brands are going to invent. At last golf consumers got it !

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      Dave

      8 years ago

      The product war between Callaway and TaylorMade has no advantage for the consumer. No sooner do you purchase the newest and latest, a new product appears. The resulting price drop then encourages the consumer to wait 4 to 6 months. Also trade in values are far too low. I have traded in clubs with no visible marks ; whereas, clubs on the racks that were taped for demoing have more noticeable ware; yet the trade in value is a small fraction of the clubs on the racks.

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      Mark

      8 years ago

      The latest greatest technology touted by Callaway and Titleist in their thousand dollar C16 driver and irons is “Cup Face” which was introduced in irons and drivers by MacGregor/MacTec 10 years ago and tag line Cup Face 360……Callaway calls it 360 Cup Face. The MacTec NVG2 mid irons are actually superior to the current Callaway cup face irons. Yes the USGA has the OEM’s boxed in on the drivers…..the face cannot exceed .830 COR no matter how expensive. A company like PGM can own the high end as you will not find their stuff at a discount if you wait. The irons are selling well where money is no object and you are looking for the best performance.

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      mark

      8 years ago

      oops PXG typo……

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      RAT

      8 years ago

      AMEN! HIT IT ON THE HEAD.

      Jorge Menendez

      8 years ago

      Hi,

      I think people who get custom fit (like myself) will change clubs on a longer basis than before. I got a full bag fitting on Feb ’15 from Titleist (915s and 714 CBs) and I plan to stick with them about 3 years for the metalwoods and at least 5 years with the irons. I’m also planning on getting new wedges every 2 years and I haven’t changed putters in 12 years.
      Custom fitting has taken away all the guessing about what is best to my game.

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      Tom Duckworth

      8 years ago

      Over saturation is a big part of the problem. Clubs change so little why not buy last years model and save hundreds. Or like many have said if your clubs work for you why buy something new.
      It seems to me we are talking about something that really comes second. The game itself is the most important thing if golf is more accessible to everyone then club sales will follow. Making higher priced clubs is not the answer. If someone gets a bump is sales because they are selling a high priced high markup product that will be short lived. To me that says golf is only for the 1% good luck with that plan.
      The golf industry has been trying to get as much money out of the public’s pocket as they can for a number of years now high priced equipment, high green fees ridiculous prices for clothes and the drop in interest in golf is the result. That may have worked when Tiger was in his prime and the economy was good but times have changed and some equipment mfgs. have not changed with the times and now they are paying for it. Don’t get me wrong I love golf I love the history of the game. Nothing is better than a quiet morning on a golf course or playing with your friends There are some great golfers playing now and they have great stories. I really like this better than one guy beating everyone..

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      Hulj

      8 years ago

      Very well said Tony. I agree with everything you said. For me it’s simply economics and I won’t pay £300+ for a driver that claims to hit the ball 350 yards and with better accuracy. For me that usually means 250 yards into the long stuff anyway! Plus, by the time I get used to the club, it’s old hat and I’m being tempted with something even more shiny.
      I was fitted for my current Driver (Cobra ZL) and irons Ping G20, 4-5 years ago. And 2x Cobra baffler hybrids (one is 10 years old and by far the best club I hit, I often outplay my mates with it against their newer ones!) complete my set. They’ve been looked after and still play great. I’ll change when I can no longer get the ball where I want it. So why change? But if I’m honest, it’s all about the money and most folks can’t afford it.

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      Troy Vayanos

      8 years ago

      Great post Tony,

      I’ve got no doubt the expensive price of drivers has a lot to do with it. Getting over the $500 mark is out of reach for most guys from what I see at weekend golf.

      I personally just bought a new Cobra King LTD driver and a new set of Mizuno irons which all up cost me about $1,700 but this is the first time in about 7 years I’ve upgraded my whole set. Given the cost of everything it’ll probably be another 7 years before I spend this sort of money again.

      Mostly I regularly spend on smaller cost items like gloves, balls and tees etc.

      Cheers

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      Mike Sickels

      8 years ago

      I see the industry self imploding with multiple releases and high prices. Why should I buy a $400 driver or $1200 set of irons when a manufacturer releases a new line 6 months later. It tells me that I spent top dollar, but am not getting the newest technology or no substantial change from the last generation. Couple this with the plethora of course charging $100+ you have a formula for obselesence of a sport.
      Now add lesson costs also exceeding $100 per hour, you then see why many people never want to take up this game or leave it for other sports. You also have USGA making rules fiascos that bewilder everyone.

      I remember how popular bowling was and now is a mere shadow of itselfs. It’s tournaments are on obscure channels and there are very few. Cost of bowling lines and equipment drove many away along with not making the sport venues nonsmoking until it was too late.

      The golf industry had better wake-up and find a new cost model or it will really shrink in the next 5 years.

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      RookieBlue7

      8 years ago

      Prices aren’t too high. People are just cheap. Look at the trajectory of the price of clubs over the past, oh, decade. Until very recently, that pricing stayed flat. The cost of milk goes up, the cost of clothes go up, the cost of cars go up. Should the cost of golf clubs not go up to follow the market?

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      Jackson

      8 years ago

      “People are just cheap” is hardly the cause of this situation. People are behaving as rational consumers, shopping opportunistically and seeking best value. OEMs are likewise behaving as profit seeking corporations, using advertising claims and marketing when true innovation is hard to come by. Welcome to free market capitalism. But unless the OEMs can deliver legitimate increases in value, which seems a tall order given imposed performance limits, they’re ultimately staring at commoditization and prices resetting at lower levels.

      While it’s true the cost of domestically produced milk has risen over the past decade, products like clothes and golf clubs, sourced from Asia, have seen low inflation, even deflation in the case of clothes. The cost of golf clubs should not follow “the market” it will be Driven by club supply and golfer demand.

      Stating the obvious: the golf equipment industry is in the midst of disruption.

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      Pointer

      8 years ago

      A $10 per gallon jug of milk us going to have a flat growth rate and powdered milk us going to spike.

      SERIOUSLY??

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      George Paaswell

      8 years ago

      You can’t blame me for the dip … I just geared up! Of course, I did not pay premium prices for anything (and did not get premium new clubs, either). And, I’m not done buying because I’m not done learning. But that said, I can’t imagine spending $500 on a single club unless it came with either a guarantee that my game would jump three levels, or a little somethin’ somethin’ on the end.

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      Harold Wilmoth

      8 years ago

      Do you thank that it’s the market or what these OEMs have done to themselves? Some of them think all they have to do is say this is better and bang you go buy it. Like I said before don’t buy a new driver that change weight position just buy a roll of leas tape. Does the same and you can still buy that dishwasher for the wife.

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      Aras

      8 years ago

      I thinks it’s about time for a price correction. The market for these clubs can’t sustain it. I used to be an early adopter and pay the premium back in the $300 days. Now I wait for a price drop and pick it up after a new model has come out.

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      psychodad

      8 years ago

      the new “stuff” isnt that much better than the old “stuff”

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      John

      8 years ago

      $500 drivers? Maybe what we need are quality domestically produced clubs? Couldn’t be much higher could they? We are paying a premium for low cost clubs – just a thought!

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      Tom Wishon

      8 years ago

      John – US domestically produced clubs can’t happen for several reasons. 1) the worker skill set to manufacture clubheads does not exist in this country anymore. The last US head making factory closed down over 10 yrs ago so no skilled labor or engineering capability is here for that anymore and would have to be re-built or bought from overseas. 2) while China has greatly increased worker wages in the past 8 yrs, labor rates here are still 3, 4, 5 times higher. Raw material costs are higher here too.

      Big OEMs now pay in the area of $40-$60 per driver head depending on the intricacy and extras on the head (sliding weights, hosel sleeves, etc) , they pay $6 to $9 for the stock graphite shaft, $0.90 for the grip, $2.50 for the headcover and wholesale sell that to the retailers for $240 to $300 – then the retailers discount that to golfers for $300 to $400. If the head, shaft and grip are made in the USA, you can bet two things – 1) the OEM cost is going to be a good notch higher than it is now and 2) you can bet the OEMs won’t accept less profit if their stuff were made in the USA.

      Golf clubs cost as much as they do today to pay for the marketing campaigns, tour player endorsements that drive the tons of golfers to the stores to buy the clubs – or rather, that USED to drive the golfers to the stores. It is not the retailer that is making the lion’s share of the money on golf clubs, nor is it the China factories.

      And all this is coming home to roost in the form of golfers wising up and not buying the new stuff as often as before.

      So the $400 driver now would be $550-600 if made in the USA.

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      Revkev

      8 years ago

      From the expert himself! Thanks for weighing in on this topic Tom.

      I had a great experience today. I picked up a M1 that was deeply discounted because of the Sports Authority OOB sale. I went to Bob VanSweden in St Petersburg FL for a driver fitting to get it tuned and perhaps even purchase an after market shaft. Bob fits John Daly and Brittany Lincicome among others.

      I am very average in length but also a lower single digit handicapper 4.9 so my swing is extremely consistent. That and my short game are all this 59 year old has left in the tank.

      After warming up I hit 6 with the stock shafted M1 – the results were meh okay but typically consistent for me – In fact Bob remarked on that consistency. I then asked if I could hit 6 with my gamer, a Ping G30, so that we had a bench mark. I was actually more consistent and 9 yards longer with the Ping. In fact before he announced those results he said, “This is exactly why no one is selling any drivers. You had better results with the older driver than the newer one. We can hit every shaft combination in here with that M1 head and you aren’t going to improve in a way that is worth $500, not to someone like yourself who is informed.

      As proof we tried 3 more shafts all of which produced marginally better results than the G30 but there would be no way that I would pay $500 for 4 yards. I suspect I’m not the only one either.

      For those who are interested I did pick up a little yardage (5 yards) and a clear accuracy advantage with a shaft that I brought with me a Paderson Kinetix that I tested for MGS about a year and a half ago. We put a new grip on it and I’ll be trying that out on Friday. It was a great day and a nice $100 investment. Well worth the money in learning that we are probably better off sticking with our own equipment and learning to hit it better.

      I did average a 4.9 smash factor with a couple of the shafts tested. :)

      Uhit

      8 years ago

      Hi Revkev,

      I have a G30 and M1 myself, and the G30 simply spins too much and is not adjustable and too loud for my ears…
      …even if I put in a bimatrix shaft and crank the G30 down to 8 degree loft, I can’t reach the M1…
      …everybody is different – so are the results.

      But the driver test on this site showed, that my personal results, which I made before this test was published, come very close…

      …your outcome seems to be an exception in this case.

      However, I would have also kept the G30 if the sound and feel would have been better – and if it were more adjustable.

      revkev

      8 years ago

      Thanks I appreciate the comments from someone who had differing results from mine but in some ways they missed my point. Better though is the fact that they give me the opportunity to make an annual appeal out here on the blog.

      1st my point or more accurately my fitter’s point (his credentials are substantial given that he worked in the TMag tour van, has twice been TMags fitter of the year and still fits several local touring pros) is that since I was fit for the G30 it would be nearly impossible for him to find a shaft setting combo with the M1 that would give me enough of a performance advantage to make it worth the $500 or even more with an upgraded shaft investment. It was not really an apples to apples comparison though because at first the G30 was fit and the M1 was not. Once it was fit I did experience some marginal gains.

      2nd none of that gets to things like sound or how the club looks. I don’t really care about those things but many do. Like anyone I have preferences (for example I like the white of the M1 over the color of my G30) In the end though I will take what performs and learn to deal with looks or sound.

      3rd and here is the appeal to Tony and the crew – this years most wanted driver test did not compare the M1 to the G30 it compared the M1 to other recent offerings. For the past three years I’ve been asking MGS to take the top three drivers from each year and compare them head to head to see if there are any real improvements. Why not go back 5 years, grab some clubs and the testers and just do it?

      Better though my fitting experience made me think that this exercise would be fun if you fit several testers to best head/shaft combo for the top 3 drivers over the course of the last several years and then went head to head. Doing that I would be willing to bet there would be very, very, very little difference if any. It’s really a matter of each golfer going to a fitter and finding the best shaft/head combo for him or herself and going from there.

      Knowing that you could pick up a slightly older model for half the price and then hit a good fitter who would find that combo with you and still invest less than $500 would be a huge asset wouldn’t it?

      Just look at the LPGA where the stakes aren’t as high for the OEMs in regards to what equipment is being used. If you look in the Gals bags you will see lots of older drivers. If there really were that big a difference you can bet that they would be jumping on the latest and greatest. They don’t, they go with what works best for their game because for the most part that’s their bottom line. The guys get paid huge dollars to play what their OEM wants them to play so why not.

      Uhit

      8 years ago

      whether it is 500$ worth or not is depending on the situation and the customer…
      …for me, the adjustability, and the better sound and feel are worth it…
      …because I play golf for joy!

      Performance wise, in my experience, the Ping G20 and the Callaway FT iz are more forgiving than the Ping G30, if fitted with a suited shaft…
      …so, I would also appreciate a comparison to older models…
      …however, older models are not always easy to find and easy to test…
      …and therefore not as attractive, as the latest models…

      …testing a several years old car vs a new one is also fun. ;-)

      jake krayson

      8 years ago

      I think it’s almost ‘criminal’ that the OEM’s charge $400 for a driver fitted with a stock (e.g. basic) shaft that a decent player needs to then go and pay for an ‘upgrade’. For $400 let the OEM’s at least provide a decent performing shaft worthy of their latest head. #GREED

      Jim

      8 years ago

      Prices are too high, performance improvement isn’t what the hype says and the discounts are coming – just a few reasons why people have limited their buying this year. I just bough a new set of irons for the first time in a dozen years (I buy discounts and used clubs typically) as it’s far more economical to buy used clubs that someone used for only a few months. And $500 for a driver, or $1200 for irons, just isn’t going to happen any time soon. There just isn’t that much improvement with clubs and the manufacturers have only just now figured out that they cannot bring out new designs every 9 months and expect anyone to believe their hype. Hopefully it will all settle down and we’ll all have clubs for several years from now on rather than buying something new every year.

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      BlkNGld

      8 years ago

      Since we’re talking about unit sales, it seems like we’re not buying the OEMs talk until they walk the talk. The bargain hunters are willing to wait out the OEMs to see if they’re serious on price cuts. OEMs might just have to feel some pain for a year or two before the market is convinced that they mean it. Or they’ll blink and confirm the market’s suspicions.

      I also think that more than other years this year seems like a relative yawner when it comes to driver releases, with the major exception being TaylorMade. I don’t think that Ping, Callaway, or Cobra have convinced the market that this years stuff is substantially different than what they could have bought last year (and can get now for much less). That can be by looks, how they name their product, or their tech story. And Titleist loyalists knew that something new would be unveiled in June or July, so why buy in May?

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      ChickenWing

      8 years ago

      Just bought a JETSPEED driver used for $60 with a new grip. It’s great, best driver I’ve ever owned. Never ever would spend 400 more dollars for what, maybe 10 to 15 more yards. Sorry guys(TM), you made this club to good to replace.

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      Brad Smith

      8 years ago

      The club designs have pretty much all bumped up against the USGA rules limits. Therefore, I don’t really care what happens to the OEM industry or the retailers, as long as there are a 3 or 4 manufacturers. Remember when we survived quite nicely with only Wilson, Hogan, Macgregor and Spalding clubs? The “worst” clubs, properly fit are better than the “best” clubs that don’t fit you. And the difference between best and worst clubs, both properly fit, are in most cases, difficult to measure in a repeatable manner. In the grand scheme of things, our crappy golf swings/lurches and maybe improperly fit clubs are our problems, not the lack of the best, newest, longest, hotest, fastest, most forgiving, …blah, blah, blah… clubs.

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      jack krayson

      8 years ago

      Damn Right,,,OEM’s should be concerned. Unlike the author,,,this is not a monthly sales blip or ‘too early to tell’…but a trend that has been building and developing over the past 7-10 years. The pricing envelope was pushed out so far; demand burst a long time ago. Anyone who says otherwise, is in serious denial.

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      Uhit

      8 years ago

      Well,
      the possibility that TaylorMade metal-woods (and other TM products) could change in a way, which I maybe don’t like (due to a possible new owner – in the future) made me buy a M1 driver, 3 wood and TM TPX balls…

      …if I were someone who is not interested in the M1 features, or TaylorMade products,
      I would have waited for the expected price drop.
      However, waiting for price drops is not always a good idea, if one want’s a healthy market with a variety of innovative competitors, with good quality products…

      If someone don’t need to be greedy, one should not be greedy, because it lessens the quality of living… ;-)

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      Bill

      8 years ago

      I think the golfer has been definitely conditioned to wait for the price drop. I have a perfectly good set of JPX-825 Pro custom irons, but happened to see a set of MP59s on eBay at a low price. The MP15 is arguably the same exact club as the 59 (I think the 59 looks better actually). The 59s were close to my specs and brand new 3-PW at $350.00. Yeah they’re from 2011, but who honestly cares? If you’re one of those people who needs a product that just hit the shelves, then you’re the people who are the ones contributing to the quick cycles and companies flooding the market with products. I got a $1000 new iron set for $350.00 close to my specs and couldn’t complain a bit. In a couple years I’ll probably try to get a 2015/2016 model for cheap as well. The fact is, no one needs to replace equipment every year, you only do it because you want to. Most golfers would be better suited to find a set of clubs that they grow used to and consistent with. You’d be surprised how low your scores would get. Changing up every year is fun and all, but is mostly detrimental to your game. I love putters and collecting them, but as of late I’ve only stuck with one and unless my game takes a serious nose dive, I’ll be sticking with it.

      I like changing around drivers, but I only buy previous year models and try to find the right shaft with it for my game. For example, I’ve been playing a Titleist 910D3 with a Proforce V2 75x for a while. Found a Ping Anser driver BRAND NEW, for $80 dollars with a Diamana ‘ahina 72x shaft. Couldn’t pass that deal up. Guess what? My buddy who just dropped $600 on a custom M1 is still stuck driving the ball around 280 (only a few yards further than his previous R15), while I’m 10-15 yards past consistently with a driver that’s 5 years old and a fraction of the cost (granted I am bigger and stronger).

      Honestly, the moral of the story is no one needs new stuff all the time, it’s about wanting a commodity and thinking about the status that comes along with owning what is supposedly the new and best thing. I know a guy at my local course who plays with an old set of Ping irons from the early 90s I think. The dude will go out and shoot 73-74 any day of the week from the tips. The assumption that new gear will make you better is one that has always blown my mind. What you would all benefit from though is spending the money on lessons that you would have spent at Dicks for an off the rack model (worst mistake people make in my opinion). Better yet take the money, get a lesson, then go get fitted and keep those products for 5-6 years (3 years for driver) instead of dumping your money into a flooded marketplace every year. The market will respond to trends and hopefully the prices will return to a somewhat more accessible level for everyone.

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      Eric Faesenkloet

      8 years ago

      The biggest problem we see is that the R&A has governed the rules of golf technology to the point where technological improvements are now stifled and given that 80% of golfers who are on handicaps above 18 have no new technology to help shortcut what is a very hard game to master.
      As a retailer we are forever looking for new products that do make a difference to the average golfer.

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      Tom Wishon

      8 years ago

      Eric – no, as a retailer, you’re looking for products with incredible demand so tons of golfers would walk through the door to ask for a product that you have in stock. I served as a VP for Golfsmith for 9 yrs and I soon learned this was all that mattered to the guys who ran GS’s retail division. What retailer wants to spend hard earned inventory money on great products for golfers that has no demand?

      Yes I am being sarcastic because this is how the golf business works. if the OEMs truly were creating products to HELP the avg golfers, they would never have made 45-46″ drivers, 14-15* 3 woods at 43.5″, 23* loft 5 irons and standard everything else. But they did because they are greedy and know that they make sales and generate demand with selling on the basis of MORE DISTANCE.

      They don’t care if golfers hit one longer drive out of 20 with that 46″ driver while 9-10 are in the trees. They don’t care that it sounds a little odd to realize the avg driver length on the PGA Tour has been 1.5″ shorter than what they sell to avg golfers. They don’t care that the golfer can’t hit the 3, 4, 5, 6 irons in his iron set because they have too low of a loft, because they know he’ll hit the 7, 8, 9, PW longer than his old set thanks to the fact the new irons are lower in loft.

      If retailers really cared about golfers, they would institute full specs custom fitting into their product lines in which all 12 specs are custom fit AND built for all 14 clubs in the bag – and train you guys incessantly on how to make the right fitting decisions for the golfers. but they will NEVER do that because you cannot possibly sell $400 mill in clubs per year building sets one at a time for one golfer at a time.

      So instead the OEMs do not limit distribution of their product by restricting the number of retailers who can sell it. From that comes discounting so you have the privilege to make 25% profit margin and you have to worry about having too much inventory when the $400 driver in March becomes the $199 close out in October. And if you bitch, they don;t care because they have 15,000 other retailers all ready to sell their products because they can generate demand from the $50 mill a year in marketing they spend.

      They have YOU and your fellow retailers by the short hairs and they know it.

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      Mongo McMichael

      8 years ago

      I want to preface my comment by saying I consider myself a golf fanatic. I play 120-140 rounds a year and play to a low single digit handicap. I do all of my own club work too. With that out of the way….I can’t see why anybody who cares about money would spend hundreds of dollars on a club fitting and then pay retail for the clubs after the fitting. There are so many great deals to be had on used clubs. The $500 driver is a myth. Who in their right mind would pay retail prices for a new driver???

      I was fitted once for a driver and a set of irons (about 2 years ago). It took about 2 hours. I hit balls on a launch monitor, tried many different shafts and club models. In the end I saw such a little difference in performance in the irons (among the top 4-5 models that I tried) that I considered it a waste of time. The driver was somewhat more beneficial as the spin rates varied greatly along with the carry and rollout numbers. I went with the suggested driver and gamed it for about half a season. Here’s the issue…it performed WORSE on the course than my old gamer. I think club fitting is a scam for the most part. The people telling you that you need to get fitted seem to be the people who benefit financially from it. I think most people would be better off going to eBay, buying a good set of used irons and trying them out. If they don’t like them then they can sell them back on eBay and be out little, if any, money. I think most people know what irons they like and what irons will fit their eye and game. Same with drivers and fairway metals. The used market is the #1 reason why sales are down. Somebody else can overpay for a new club and I’ll buy it off them for the more appropriate price.

      John

      8 years ago

      as someone who requires funky lie angles due to arm length vs total height – your comment irritates me. If i don’t play custom fit irons, I can’t play golf, but sure fitting is a ‘complete waste of time’

      Mongo McMichael

      8 years ago

      John – so what you’re saying is that you’re in the extremely small minority.

      Bill

      8 years ago

      All great points. Getting fitted properly has shrunk the market all by itself. Instead of buying into the “newest”, “longest” hype, more and more golfers are getting fitted. With club limits at their max, you can be confident that even if you spend a few more dollars initially with a custom set you will play those for considerably longer than buying the flavor of the product cycle. I don’t hit my driver as long as some of the hottest models but I’m hitting far more fairways. My irons are a club shorter but once again I’m hitting more greens in regulation.
      My scores are improving because I’m in play and my penalty shots from 300 yard OB drives are reduced. I love new stuff but this year I only switched putters (and it wasn’t a $300 putter). I don’t see myself switching irons for another 5 years. I won’t EVER purchase a $500 driver and I steer clear of companies offering them as they are driven by spreadsheets, not by giving golfers good clubs at reasonable prices.

      Steve S

      8 years ago

      I don’t think fitting is a scam but trying out drivers on a launch monitor has kept me from trading out my Rocketbalz(1st edition) for the last couple of years. Earlier this year I went into the “fitting room” at Dick’s and hit every driver and shaft combo they had available. Compared to my Rocketbalz only one was longer 5 yards(rollout, not carry which means nothing). I hit the Rbalz with a tighter dispersion than any of the new ones.

      The guy at Dick’s said that he’s probably lost more sales than he’s gained in that room, since my experience is was more typical than not.

      OH

      8 years ago

      Completely agree that the launch schedule for OEMs in September makes zero sense. Make the announcement at the PGA show and create real buzz for new products. And stop it with the multiple releases of the same product line. Titleist and Mizuno have phenomenal models for releasing equipment and I have to think much of that plays into their brand equity with consumers.

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      Tom Wishon

      8 years ago

      Yes, the equipment industry is in trouble. BIG TROUBLE. And they brought it all on themselves. Prior to the 1990s, no OEM was larger than @ $70 mill in annual revenue. A new model could last 3 yrs in some cases before market saturation began which prompted the next new model offering. While competition was strong, there was no hype/image marketing such as you have seen over the past 15 yrs.

      Then in the 90s, a number of OEMS did IPOs or were acquired by publicly traded corporations and everything changed. With pressure to keep the stock price up and revenues/profits growing, hype/image marketing came about to whip up the masses. As companies began to hit $100 mill, $200 mill, $400 mill in annual sales, the time it took to saturate the market with a new model became shorter and shorter.

      One yr product life cycles became common. More hype, more models, more promises for improved performance. pretty soon some of the more astute golfers began to realize that the main goal of the OEMs was to make money by fooling golfers into buying the latest and greatest every year.

      Gradually this has brought about a huge increase in the “fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you” philosophy of golfers. With the recession, the whole market shrunk. Where before 2008 there were some 14.4 million golfers (NGF) who accounted for 71% of the golf spending, now that number of core golfers is down to something like 10 million.

      Add to that the fact that new clubHEAD technology is done and over with. There are no new HEAD technologies to be discovered. The future will simply be a matter of re-hashing previously used technologies but packaging them with a different look and a little different story. There won’t be anything to increase ball speed/smash factor from a clubhead because it has already been discovered to the max, and it is locked down controlled by the COR/CT limit in the rules.

      There won’t be anything more to make heads more forgiving because we have reached that pinnacle now – MOI is as high as it can be within acceptable head sizes and head weights, variable thickness faces are at the max for increasing off center hit face flexing.

      The one thing that can bring about instant improvement for over 75% of all golfers is something the OEMs cannot do – full specs professional clubfitting, one set at a time for one golfer at a time, with all 12 key custom fitting specs accurately determined and accurately built for all 14 clubs in the bag. You cannot sell $400 million worth of golf clubs in a year with a full specs fitting business model like this.

      So no matter what, the OEMs are all trapped with a shrinking market, with a market that is getting more and more wise to their hype marketing, short product life cycles and shallow promises, and with the fact that all significant new clubHEAD technology is used up and done.

      Other than that, the golf industry is just fine . . . . .

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      Duncan Castles

      8 years ago

      Listen to the expert. Clubhead technology is maxed out. What really makes a difference and delivers value when buying golf clubs is having those clubs fit in detail to your swing and game and custom built from components up. If you buy golf clubs any other way you are missing a trick. Ironically, properly fit and custom built clubs needn’t cost any more than buying the latest big-name OEM set off the rack.

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      dg7936

      8 years ago

      Tom;

      Thank you for the insight you’ve provided. I read and re-read your books about finding the perfect clubs, and it makes so much sense for people that want to play the game as it was intended. Some guys make the vanity purchases and trick out their bags to look like Jordan Speith, but usually they’re not hitting it as well as they describe. The good players tend to have older, reliable sets they’re comfortable with, and don’t change much. The honest input that you share with the golfing community does a great service to the game.

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      Jackson

      8 years ago

      I’m convinced that if your clubs are from a reputable OEM, a good fit and less than 5-7 years old there are very minimal performance gains to be had with new clubs. My bag has 2009-10 vintage Callaways. With the possible exception of a wedge or putter replacement I don’t expect to buy new clubs for another 5-10 years. Lessons and range time will give a much better return, eg strokes saved per dollar spent.

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      Bob

      8 years ago

      Agreed – Spend on lessons rather than the latest shiny equipment – good lessons are even more beneficial than “fitting” in most cases in my experience.

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      Dan Mackey

      8 years ago

      I think the driver market is going to go stagnant because the new sticks are no longer or just a yard or two. I did get an M1 this year because the miss hits are more forgiving. It will likely be my last. I won’t buy one unless it impacts at least a clubs worth of yards

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      Geoff Morrison

      8 years ago

      I work for a golf store… it’s just not possible to get any longer. The smash factor is capped at 1.5 (ball speed÷clubhead speed). They can improve forgiveness, but drivers will never get “hotter”. Unless they make a face that goes as far off the heel or toe as the sweetspot, that number is tapped out. Do love the M1 though, it’s the best thing out there.

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      Chisag

      8 years ago

      Buying a new set of irons for $799-899 and then selling them used for $499-599 wasn’t too bad. Buying a set of irons for $1199-1299 and selling them for the same $499-599 is out of the question for most.

      Buying a new driver for $299-350 and selling it for $199-250 was also doable for those of us that love to try new equipment. Buying a new driver for $499 and selling it for $199-250 if we can even get that with Ebay selling those same drivers new for the same price, means once we find one that works, we aren’t getting a new one unless we demo and it clearly outperforms what we are playing.

      The days of ho’ing are over for hard core equipment enthusiasts so I imagine the “normal” golfer is even more reluctant to buy new equipment. I miss the 4 year cycle with interest building for quite awhile and what was new was REALLY new, not just a minor tweak at best.

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      Gary

      8 years ago

      Maybe people are just realizing that even with the allure of new equipment they still hit most clubs poorly either new or old. The fitting craze is a double edged sword. Fit someone and most of the time they play about the same. My logic tells me that if I am properly fitted and I am not hitting it any better, then I need to quit buying clubs. Ones that are perfectly fit don’t work for me any better than the ones I had before I was fit. Why buy new ones?

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      CharlesB

      8 years ago

      The OEMs are doing it to themselves. I just bought a new set of clone irons. Their brand name counterpart would have cost me 4 to 5 times what I paid for the clones. Besides, my original 2002 Callaway BB irons are still working well. Why would I want to part with the extra $$$?

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      Gary G.

      8 years ago

      I for one can’t see paying 500 bucks for any club even a set of irons.Being retired now it’s impossible for me to pay that much.I love trying out different clubs but if I wait a year or so then I can afford them.I guess if they came out with the perfect club then the OEM’s would go out of business because consumers wouldn’t have to look for new equipment unless it brakes or wears out.I wonder if golf ball companies are losing any money?I wouldn’t think so.

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      Bullwinkle Moose

      8 years ago

      I purchased the M2 Taylor Made Irons this year because as a senior golfer (or old fart as my wife says) my swing speed has slowed significantly. I loved most of the set but the pitching wedge was terrible. It was a strong loft, but I couldn’t hit it out of my shadow or straight. Taylor Made has it back and is doing something with it, replacing it would make sense since there is something defective about the club. The M2’s are enough longer that I’ve regained about 5 years of age distance lost, which is impressive if you could get a set that were all the same quality.

      I belong to several Senior Golf groups in the North Atlanta area, and out of the 400 or so members I only know of 6 new 2016 drivers, and no one is spending any money on Hybrids, Fairway metals, or Wedges. There are more new Iron Sets, this and last years combined than the other categories, except putters. Most of we old golfers own a closet or basement full of putters, but apparently we aren’t real smart because there are a ton of new putters in the different groups possibly 1 in 3 golfer. I think this article is just the tip of the iceberg, I suspect it is going to get much worse before it gets better.

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      Duncan Castles

      8 years ago

      Distance gains because of stronger lofts and longer, lighter shafts? How are you yardage gaps, are your as consistent with them, and has your handicap come down?

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      charlie

      8 years ago

      Why spend $500 for new driver when any cheaper driver restitution is.083. When you get USGA out of equipment manufacturing. There will be a explosion of buying.

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      Dale

      8 years ago

      It’s extremely simple concept that companies are blinded to. This year products are no different from the last. All the adjustments to whatever club you want is already done. Last years model or four month ago model is dam near the same thing at half the cost. Companies have reached there deisgn limitations that are set in place. Can’t go any higher when your already at the roof. Also, the whole this years model is longer thing is played out. The only thing that changes is the loft but most consumers have no idea because the club still says 9 iron and they think the model is a improvement. Well it now causes majority of golfers to just be that much longer out of bounds. So yep, that newer longer model is amazing. So moral of this comment is find a two year old model that is 75% off and stay with it. There’s truely now need to buy lower lofted clubs if shooting par is a miracle. It will only make things worse.

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      Rob

      8 years ago

      I am not sure about this but I have a thought…..I have quit buying new clubs from retailers because as soon as I get the next best thing in my bag something better is released. I buy 90% of my clubs off ebay. I can get 6 month old clubs for a fraction of a new one. All you need to do is find a seller with 50+ plus positive feedback and you are safe. last year the Cobra Fly Z was rated one of the best (longest) clubs on the market. I got one in perfect condition for $69! also, I can try many different clubs until I find the perfect fit. I am not alone many of my friends also do the same thing. OEM’s have flooded the market and I think that has discouraged many golfers from buying the “Next Best Thing”

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      Gary G.

      8 years ago

      Rob I totally agree.I to buy over 90% of my equipment on Ebay and if I’m not happy with it I resell it on Ebay and usually don’t lose much money.I just purchased a R15 driver brand new for less then 80 bucks,There are a ton of great deals if you wait and be patient.

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      Larry berry

      8 years ago

      The price is to damn you high! But yea instead of buying a new model driver this year I bought a used one from last year.

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      Robin

      8 years ago

      Are golfers getting smarter and taking lessons instead of buying that certain driver

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      Bill

      8 years ago

      Tired of the yearly over-hyped products and ridiculous pricing. Instead, I read the more objective reviews of products, identify that which interests me, and then buy used.

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      Dean Dodge

      8 years ago

      My irons are two years old, driver 1 1/2 – 3 wood one, wedges one, hybrids two. Only stock shafts are wedges and hybrids -Ping – IF I find anything I like better, I’ll consider. Love all my bag (even my bag). Did just buy new shoes. One happy golfer here!

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      Dave

      8 years ago

      Greed catches up with everyone eventually!

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      Ryan

      8 years ago

      I know I am 100% conditioned to wait for the price drop, except in exceptional circumstances. I just can’t bring myself to pay retail for something that I know will be going for half that (or less) a year later.

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      Tom54

      8 years ago

      So, about that little image you posted at the end of the article… I knew if I held out long enough, Callaway would lop $100 off the GBB driver. Sure enough, this past weekend the price is now $350 and now I’m interested. Learned my lesson when I got my BBA a couple years ago and the price dropped 6 weeks after I bought it.

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      Ben Smith

      8 years ago

      I haven’t bought new stuff in ten years. I just had my 35th birthday and with a first child on the way money is tight. I wore out my mizuno mp-30’s and wanted a little more forgiveness. I did a ton of research and narrowed to taylormade psi or psi tours. I should’ve looked harder. I tried to save a little money and went with a used set off eBay. Well after finding out the shafts in them wouldn’t work I had to buy x-100’s and reshaft. I still had saved a bunch. Before I buy I find they’re parallel shafts. So I need to now adjust swing weights so had to buy a machine for that. Now I’ve spent what a brand new set custom ordered from taylormade and I’m still not happy. I’ve got buyers remorse and don’t feel they’re as accurat or as consistent as my mizuno’s. I was custom fit at a demo day FYI. The issue is I show up and I’m told I need to go to a high end fitter like one a college player would use to get access to ththe shafts that would fit me. All low spin low launch X flex shafts. So I’m always forced to buy close to what I need and then start reshafting and building. For me to get fit correctly it’s a min 150 for fitting plus marked up equipment costs. Very very expensive to get something new. A 300 dollar driver cost me 600 because it’s 150 for fitting, club for 300 plus some special shaft that’s always no less than 250.

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      billm311

      8 years ago

      I feel the same way. I play old irons for that reason. Is the new blade really going to out perform my old blade? Probably not enough to justify the $800 price tag. On top of that, I already sunk the cost of custom fitting my irons, reshafted and weighted to my personal specs by a local club builder. No local store is going to give me that level of detail. Even a club champion wants me to buy the club, and then have it re-worked. So that $800 set is now like $1500.

      I can see improvement from my woods, but really, I don’t need distance, I need repeat-ability, consistency. A new club isn’t going to help me with that. Practice, maybe some lessons will. I did buy a new driver in 2013 and now again in 2016, but now have to get it adjusted for swingweight. PITA.

      I tell anyone I know that is getting in to the game, or looking for new clubs, to hit the used rack first. Great gear available at a great price. Leave the new stuff for rich guys and the pros.

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      John Yoon

      8 years ago

      It’s also because we’re kind of at the “end” or limit to golf technology. The newer clubs coming out aren’t THAT much better to what I’m currently using so why make the switch? Is it worth paying $500 for like 2-3 more yards granted I even have the swing to produce that? Nope. And the May numbers prove that.

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      Howard Garson

      8 years ago

      With the manufacturers reaching the USGA limit on COR and jacking up lofts to their limit, there is not a whole lot left to improve in clubs. The only thing left is to be custom fit, whether it is for a major OEM or a component company. A move to a two tiered rule system where pros and top amateurs have to play conforming clubs and the non tournament player can still keep a handicap with clubs that are now nonconforming would bring back innovation and maybe boost sales. Without that, there will be no reason to get new equipment every year or two.

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      Gary

      8 years ago

      Golf equipment is too expensive and the changes between last year’s model and this years is not
      Big enough to justify a new purchase. Add to that the price drop for last year’s model and there is no justification for purchasing new yearly.

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      andre

      8 years ago

      It seems that golf consumers at last realize that all those pseudo scientifical comments about always more “powerful” drivers such as those Tony Covey wrote recently here are just bs

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      Steve D'Andrea

      8 years ago

      The greedy bastards (OEMs) brought this upon themselves. The consumers are wising up to the fact that newer doesn’t equal better. Like any market, the supply will have to equalize the demand and eventually the strongest will survive. Personally, I play golf with modern era woods and hybrids, but collect and play with vintage PING irons (Eye 2, ZING). My performance can’t tell the difference.

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      Mike

      8 years ago

      What will happen to the Chinese.

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      Benjamin Lee

      8 years ago

      It is not surprising. Just oversaturation of the market with too many clubs. Next few years will have some adjustments in how the companies release equipment.

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      Larry Goodwin

      8 years ago

      Prices getting way out of hand , including golf balls . Sticking with what I got , also am satisfied with what I have for now , Nothing to get excited about MN
      ,

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      sixcat

      8 years ago

      Why pay $500 for the latest driver when last years model is equally as good for half the cost!

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      Justin

      8 years ago

      The R15 isn’t half as good as the M1, especially for better players. Your theory holds true only for some releases, like the R7 to R9, but not when the technology changes dramatically

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      Jeff

      8 years ago

      I think most golfers realize that the new equipment really isn’t much better and in some cases is worse than clubs released years ago. My irons are 5 years old and still perform just as good as newer clubs. A lot of the new irons being released are terrible quality with jacked up lofts so the ball goes 10 yards further. The only clubs I’ll replace on a regular basis are my wedges.

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      revkev

      8 years ago

      I firmly believe that it is two things both of which you’ve hit on. First while there are always those who will buy new just to have it because they can many have to be careful with their dollars and have been conditioned to wait a few months for the price drop. Second without the price drop they’ve seriously looked at the new product being offered and haven’t observed enough improvement over what they currently game to pay bust out retail.

      Finally I’d like to think that Sites like MGS are leading to a better informed consumer who might be more inclined to spend some coin having his or her set tweaked by a fitter rather than buying the so called latest and greatest. :)

      Reply

      Chal

      8 years ago

      I buy new every year and almost always turn my bag. I have bought more this year than ever before. I don’t know that I will continue this moving forward.

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      Jeff

      8 years ago

      Do you get your numbers from golf data base ?

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      Marios Sergides

      8 years ago

      Good. The business model they employed never made sense and alienated potential buyers. I myself used to buy clubs yearly when I first got into the game but stopped for last couple of years. I stick to ping cause of sensible release schedules and more honest marketing.

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      Jim Check

      8 years ago

      The other problem not addressed here is the enormous amount of new or barely new product being offered via eBay. Just a quick glance should wake up the OEM folks-where IS this stuff coming from? In addition, the pricing models are simply ridiculous-why would anyone in their right mind (unless money is no object and how many of us are in that category) pay $300 to $500 or more for ANY club without a proper and professional fitting consult? While surely intriguing, no product currently on the market could possibly help my game significantly enough to justify the prices.

      Reply

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