Mizuno MP-25: Technology vs. Specology juice
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Mizuno MP-25: Technology vs. Specology juice

Mizuno MP-25: Technology vs. Specology juice
A New Era in Players Irons

Written By: Tony Covey

That’s right, Mizuno claims that the MP-25 signals a new era for better player’s irons. That’s a bold statement from a company that generally doesn’t say much of anything at all.

Just what is Mizuno talking about? What’s behind this new-found brevity?

The answer, it turns out, is Boron.

Mizuno MP-25-1-3

A Brief Re-Introduction to Boron

Mizuno first signaled its use of Boron in irons last season by sending a block of Boron to my house. Most of you will also recall that my chunk of Boron was Mizuno’s clever way of teasing the release of its JPX-850 forged irons. Those were Mizuno’s first Boron-infused product and are noteworthy because, although they play like true game-improvement irons, they look the part of a better player’s forging.

“We weren’t going to give an inch on feel” – Chuck Couch, Mizuno Golf

When Boron is added to mild carbon steel it encourages the formation of Martensite as opposed to Ferrite (Confused? Let me google that for you.), the resulting material is 30% stronger, but not harder than conventional 1025 mild carbon steel. That last bit touches the very soul of the company. Its line is that nothing feels like a Mizuno (there’s even a hashtag, which is probably more value than a trademark these days), so it’s important to understand that the addition of boron doesn’t compromise what we might call that traditional Mizuno feel.

Mizuno MP-25-6

Figuring out how to achieve the desired results using Boron in an iron took 6 years of development, and Mizuno has several patents pending for the process. For now, they’re the only company of note using Boron, and while that’s all well and good, as a consumer of golf equipment what should matter to you isn’t the material itself, but rather what it allows Mizuno to do.

Through the addition of Boron to the forging process, Mizuno is able to create irons with thinner, more responsive faces, while freeing up some mass which, as it almost always is, can be reallocated to the perimeter of the iron for more forgiveness.

Needless to say, Team Mizuno is excited about Boron.

Redefining the MP iron

Mizuno MP-25-1

When most of us think about Mizuno’s MP line, we think clean, relatively compact, dare I say traditional offerings. What we don’t generally think about is distance. And for Mizuno, that’s a bit of an issue.

What we haven’t mentioned yet is that the MP-25 is the direct replacement for the MP-54. By most accounts the pocket cavity MP-54 is a very good iron. It sits on the the outer edge of the MP lineup (just before things start to get all JPX-y). It’s bigger than the other irons in the MP lineup, which doesn’t always sit well with lower handicap golfers, and while it’s generally regarded as a reasonably forgiving players iron, it has a reputation, fair or otherwise, for lagging behind when it comes to distance.

Simply put, some think the MP-54 is too big. Others think it’s too short.

Mizuno MP-25-3

Those are two problems that are inherently at odds with one another. To get more distance, manufacturers typically resort to larger head sizes, offset, and what the Mizuno team refers to as Specology. While the word might be new to some of us, we’re all familiar with what it means; longer shafts and stronger lofts.

Mizuno’s goal was to improve upon the MP-54 with Technology, not that Specology stuff we just talked about. That means is finding a way to create a more compact iron that actually generates more distance than what came before, and those performance gains had to be realized without cheating loft or increasing shaft length.

mp-25-spec-chart

How’d they do it?

Yup, Boron.

The primary implication of using Boron for the first time in a better player’s iron, is that it effectively allows Mizuno to challenge the very definition of what an MP-iron actually is.

Mizuno MP-25-5

Using 1025 Boron and a Microslot (yes, the MP-25 has slots hidden in the 3-6 irons), Mizuno was able to decrease face thickness, increase ball speed, reduce spin, increase max height, and increase carry distance by an impressive 7 yards (compared to the MP-54), and Mizuno did it all of it without decreasing loft or increasing shaft length.

mp-25-slot-progression

Mizuno did it with technology, not specology.

Perhaps of greater significance to better players, Mizuno made those performance improvements while at the same time dramatically reducing head size. For every meaningful physical specification – topline thickness, blade length, and sole width – the MP-25 closely mirrors the MP-15, which fans of the brand know is an irons that’s very compact at address.

vs. Everybody Else

Mizuno MP-25-9

When we talk about sweet spot (or sweet area) size and physical footprints, I find it’s usually helpful to put things in comparative terms. So where does the MP-25 fit among its competitors? Mizuno views the competitive set as primarily the PING S55, Callaway Apex Pro, Titleist 714 AP2, Titleist 714 CB. Among that group, Mizuno claims the MP-25 has the largest sweet area AND the smallest blade length.

That’s impressive, but when you stretch out the set to include a couple of TaylorMade offerings, the MP-25 offers a sweet area nearly the same size as the Tour Preferred MC. While the sweet area of the RSi2 is a bit larger, the blade length is also substantially longer. RSi2 will get you forgiveness, but comparatively, it’s not particularly compact.

Mizuno MP-25-2

This new era that Mizuno talks about is defined by forged irons that offer forgiveness in a more compact footprint. That’s exactly what many of us are looking for.

Pricing and Availability

The Mizuno MP-25 is available for both right and left-handed golfers. Retail price for a set of 8 MP-25 irons is $999 for Project X steel and $1099 for Orochi graphite. As with all irons in the Mizuno lineup, there are no additional up-charges for any shaft in the Mizuno lineup. Retail availability begins September 8, 2015.

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Tony is the Editor of MyGolfSpy where his job is to bring fresh and innovative content to the site. In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. Most of all Tony believes in performance over hype and #PowerToThePlayer.

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      Justin

      8 years ago

      I bought a set of MP30’s in 2013 and am due to upgrade always liked them. Is the MP25 in the same category ?

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      flaglfr

      9 years ago

      This is a first for me. I have finally hit an MP iron where I really don’t like the feel. I have hit the 25’s, the 5’s and play the 15’s. The MP-25 feels hollow and imprecise. It really doesn’t bring a solid feel to center of the face hits like Mizuno’s of the past or other clubs in the current Mizuno lineup. For truth in the feel category, I didn’t feel the 54’s were really solid feeing, but the 25 is even worse. Is it longer in distance than MP15 or MP5? Don’t think so from my experience. But the thing that really hit me was the feel and sort of forgiveness of the MP5. The MP-5 is not really harder to hit (IMHO) than either the 15 or the 25 and it just feels more solid. Is this something that bothers me? Yes! Should you consider the 5? I think so.
      Mizuno has done something that is a real conundrum. They have made a “blade” that really plays much more like a VERY solid semi-game improvement club. Confusing but exciting at the same time.

      That said, I think that the 5 is what players of Mizuno and other “slight game improvement club” players are looking for. The 25 really doesn’t leave me with the feeling that I know where the ball is going. Everything feels pretty much the same. The 15 or the 5 seem better choices to me.

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      cale

      8 years ago

      Flagfr, you need to hit the ball on center face to get that nice “feel” blades give. Good players like blades because that feeling you are getting on every shot alerts them to their doing something wrong during the swing. You should get some shovels and go continue shooting in the 90’s as you will still hit piss poor approach shots that do not reach the green or just miss it all together, but hey with some good player development irons you can go back to blaming yourself and not the clubs as you will trick yourself into thinking that you are pureing the ball each and every time. Come on guy! Its golf and you stink at it. Most people do. Lighten up for crying out loud.

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      Bogan

      8 years ago

      Gotta say Cale, nothing in flaglfr’s post leads me to any of the conclusions you seme to be drawing. He said he found the feel of the 25 disappointing but on the flipside was surprised by the forgiveness of the 5. From there you just went off on one long non-sequitor completely unrelated to what he wrote and conclude he’s the one that needs lighten up? Really weird post dude, I’m not sure you’re well.

      WhatHappened

      8 years ago

      flaglfr – you are either way too picky or you can’t strike the ball anywhere near the center of the club face. Go back to the range

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      oliversax

      9 years ago

      If the hidden slots are only in the 6i and lower, shouldn’t I just buy the the MP25 6i and lower only? This technology does not help with the 7i and higher because there’s no slot to increase ball speed with the thinner face.

      I’m playing with the MP53 now and always annoyed at getting debris in the back channel slots. Thinking maybe I should just replace the slotted irons with MP25 since the higher irons aren’t benefiting from the boron thin face and slot.

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      Matthew Strube

      9 years ago

      Bitchen

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      rene

      9 years ago

      I’m close to getting smaller clubhead and I demo’d the Srixon forged and felt good hitting it, I can’t wait to try this baby with all the tech involve in it. I’m a 10 handicap but people always say get a forgiving club, but the confidence I get hitting a smaller clubhead is priceless specially when I get more yardage. There’s more of us out there with double digit handicap, so here’s a challenge for you. How about making one with smaller clubhead with bigger sweet spot and longer yards? That would make a good sale, I’m sure if you’re a single digit handicap you’re not gonna look for more distance that’s a given, it’s all about the feel and accuracy and the looks are there already. Most of the people here commenting they all should be either making their own club or works at a golf companies. No fun intended.

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      Damien white

      9 years ago

      I challenge you (Mr.Mizuno) to win me over. I’ve played TM R11s for the last 3 years and love them. My handicap has dropped from 17 to 6. I feel like I’m getting to the point where I may want to move towards a blade. I’ve always liked the look of Mizunos and my future father in law (I’m getting married in Jan 2016) plays with them and he’s a huge fan. The MP-25 or MP-5 for me? I write a golfing blog and would be happy to trial these for you and spread the word?! If nothing else they look great, which to me plays a big part in a players confidence standing over a ball.

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      Ayden Nadalno

      9 years ago

      Damien,

      May I suggest a split set configuration. I’ve been fitted up and going with MP-25 in the 3I-5I (yup, still carry 3I) and MP-5 for 6I-9I. I get some irons weakened so my 9I will be 44*. Then have MP-T5 wedges in 49/06, 54/12, and 59/09.

      I’ve played split sets for a while, ever since Titleist 795CB/MB. Find you get best of both worlds. Half the bags on tour are split set, fwiw.

      Cheers!

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      Matt

      9 years ago

      It’s great Mizuno is exploring but they are missing the big picture all together. If they truly want to build an awesome iron. More thought needs to go into the shaft. I have MP69s 8 on up and married with what I feel as the best shaft for distance, control and feels and its Aerotech Shafts. The shaft will give you the distance you desire, Hogan recognized this fact years ago, the shaft is where it’s at. The days of your fathers S300’s and boardy Project X shafts are history! So I beg you Mizuno, put Aerotech in your clubs, and let the game begin.

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      Teaj

      9 years ago

      Aerotech is not for everyone, I know this because I had them purchased in my Z745 and U45’s this year and have since removed them and went back to Steel for the sole reason of it just did not feel right balance wise. Some people are going to love them some people are not, my manager loves his which he is playing the i95 S and I chose to go with the i110 X. If Mizuno was going to offer the no charge for any of the shafts available then the price of the iron would go up quite a bit as your looking at $50 a shaft. Aerotech is becoming more popular yes but until they can produce enough of them and bring down the cost of manufacturing it will always be an up-charge shaft in anyone’s catalogue.

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      Justin Pansegrau

      9 years ago

      Mortgage payment. They look nice

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      Kelvin Allen Fisher

      9 years ago

      i got no mortage

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      Kelvin Allen Fisher

      9 years ago

      mortgaga

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      Kelvin Allen Fisher

      9 years ago

      mortgage

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      Kelvin Allen Fisher

      9 years ago

      Dennis Rogers Justin Pansegrau Nick Fisher

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      mlecuni

      9 years ago

      From the chart included in this article, the originals jpx800pro have less offset. Even with the more compact heads of this new ligne, i find them redondant with the jpx pro.

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      Tyler Bussert

      9 years ago

      Mark Ruthey

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      Jake Kemp

      9 years ago

      Great looking set. I’ll stick with my FT WORTH 15 Hogans. 3 degree gaps in the lower lofts and 46 degree wedge. Ok.

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      kt1a

      9 years ago

      These look like the Srixon Z745 irons. But then again, the Srixon Z745 look like the Bridgestone J40 Cavity Back irons. Nothing wrong with any of this. It’s a great design that deserves to have multiple interpretations. Mizuno’s is with boron which allows them to create the thinnest face out of all three models, contributing to distance gains without resorting to cranked up lofts or sacrificing feel. Count me in as intrigued.

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      Regis

      9 years ago

      I have a warm spot in my heart for Mizuno . Played their irons for 25 years. Still play their wedges But I needed to move to graphite shafts and since their irons had a .355 bore reshafting was limited as there’s only a handful of graphite options. I now play SLDR irons with Matrix shafts. To me they’re butter. They look a lot like the MP 25s. Same profile although the SLDR slots aren’t concealed. As to length, my irons have always been the same length (.75 to 1 inch above standard) so whatever the off the rack specs might be means nothing . Both PW s come it at 46degrees so how you gap to the 4 or 5 isn’t that big a deal. I consider myself a purist, albeit an older one. Most purists chuckle at slot technology but now it’s found its way into Titleist woods and Mizuno irons. But I guess if you brand your competition’s science “spectology” while maintaining that yours is “technology” it sets you apart from other companies that rely solely on marketing. It’s in the slots. I’ll give these a serious look depending on their graphite shaft options but it won’t be because their technology

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      Raj LP

      9 years ago

      I would love to see a comparison across Mizuno’s line which compares the MP-4 and 25, and JPX and JPX Pro lines and see – club for club, what the distance and dispersion is. You should expect to see the dispersion to get tighter as you go from a JPX to an MP-4 right? Assuming a good player is hitting both.

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      Jerry

      9 years ago

      Wow what timing. I’ve been a combo set of MP30/32’s for some years now with Rifle 6.0’s. I no longer hit them as long as I used to having gone from 105 swing speed to 95. Getting old. I still hit them straight but need 1-2 more club than 10 years ago. I almost pulled the string on new MP’s this spring but decided to wait. The new 5’s and 25’s look intriguing so I’ll wait to demo. One last thought….I’ve demo’d everything out there and you are right. Nothing feels like a Mizuno. My brother let me hit his new Callaway game improvement irons this spring and yes they went easily 1 club further but felt like going from driving a Porche to a Kia minivan.

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      CoomZ

      9 years ago

      Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan. I had a set of MP30s ten years ago and loved em!

      But……these look almost identical to the Srixon Z745s. It would be a great MGS article if you did some head to head testing of these two.

      Thoughts?

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      Frank Sallee

      9 years ago

      Curious I suppose as Martinsite is achieved by mar-aging ferrite steels to produce a
      Core material that has a much more fine structure and therefore stronger in tensile strength. I don’t know how adding boron to the mix would change the metals structure and this is not by any means the first time Boron has Ben used in golf manufacturing ie. Golf shafts.
      Boron is a very hard and brittle element, hope this isn’t a (let’s win vent some process and see if the buzz will produce sales

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      Trae

      9 years ago

      Sorry but the mp-25 in no way shape or form resembles the mp-15

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      Max

      9 years ago

      Really hoping that topline looks smaller in person. There’s nothing that kills a good iron for me like a thick topline. Blade length is important, but the iron can’t feel chunky.

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      Loz

      9 years ago

      The 25’s do look nice though, similar to the Srixon Z 745.

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      Loz

      9 years ago

      I own the 54’s and have never had a problem with distance. I was fitted at the UK National fitting centre into KBS Tour X stiff, having always played S300’s and couldn’t be happier. If only Mizuno made decent wedges that matched their irons. All models in the last five years have always looked odd to me in either head shape or finish.

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      Greg

      9 years ago

      Wow how exciting is this. I have a set of MP 54’s and from the day I got them I was disappointed in the loss of distance I experienced. It was probably near enough to a club from what I gamed before. I love everything else about the 54’s though, the feel, oh the feel is incomparable to anything I had played in recent memory. I will look forward to demoing these babies!

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