ULTIMATE REVIEW! – Mizuno MP-R12 Wedge
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ULTIMATE REVIEW! – Mizuno MP-R12 Wedge

ULTIMATE REVIEW! – Mizuno MP-R12 Wedge

If there’s a better feeling wedge than the Mizuno MP R-12, I haven’t found it. If there is a better performing wedge, they’re few and far between. For shotmaking versatility, no big golf company can match Mizuno’s wedges.  Golf Digest clearly thinks otherwise, but for the majority of our testers, Mizuno’s MP-R12 is without a doubt a gold medal wedge.

Mizuno MP-R12 – REVIEW

(Written By: @GolfSpyT) As you read through this you might find yourself wondering: Why would MyGolfSpy even bother to review a wedge that the Ultimate Authority on golf equipment – none other than Golf Digest’s legendary Hot List – felt was only worthy of a silver medal?

Side Note: Hot List Medals are a lot like free lollipops at the local savings and loan; If you put enough of your money there, you can definitely have one.

Anyway, apart from the predictability of it all (the bigger the OEM, the more medals), what really, really irks me is how often they get it wrong (score one for the power of “Buzz”, and the complete lack of real data). Each year is filled with example after example, and while I could point out several from the latest episode of type-faced flatulence, few examples are more egregious than the demotion of Mizuno’s MP-R12 (and one other I won’t mention here), to silver medal status.

If there’s a better feeling wedge than the Mizuno MP R-12, I haven’t found it. If there is a better performing wedge, they’re few and far between. For shotmaking versatility, no big golf company can match Mizuno’s wedges. Still, is it any real shocker that 2 of 3 clubs that actually won gold are from companies traditionally known for wedges. That one simple reality illustrates one of Mizuno’s biggest challenges. Though they’ve been producing some of the best wedges on the market for years, Mizuno is still considered by many to be just an iron company. And while it’s not exactly a huge leap from irons to wedges, getting over the hump is going to take some doing.

Of course, if Mizuno continues to produce wedges like the MP-T11 and MP-R12, while the gold medal winners continue to produce more of the same ol’ same ol’…well, it’s only a matter of time.

Mizuno MP R12 Wedge Review

The Marketing Angle

  • Round Shape – Designed as a compliment/alternative to the classic Teardrop shaped MP-T11 Wedge
  • Loft Specific Sole Geometry – Once size doesn’t fit all. Each sole is specifically designed to allow you to hit the shots you’ll need to hit with each particular loft.
  • Versatile Sole Grinds – C-Grind (with added trailing edge relief) on sand wedges, M-Grind for added versatility on higher lofted models
  • Grain Flow Forged – Offers buttery soft and consistent feel
  • TrueTemper DG Spinn TM Shafts – Enhanced spin and trajectory control


Mizuno MP-R12 Material Composition:  Grain Flow Forged 1025E “Pure Select” Mild Carbon Steel

Unlike some of the other wedges we’ve looked at, Mizuno offers a couple of different bounce options for both the 56 and 60 degree models. Of course, there isn’t another big OEM that puts as much work into their sole grinds as Mizuno either. For Mizuno it’s basically all about versatility; giving you a wedge that allows you to hit whatever shot the situation dictates.

How We Tested

Target greens on our 3Track Equipped simulators from aboutGolf were set at 100 yards.  After being allowed several shots to verify the appopriate club for the distance, testers took their choice of a 52°, 56°, or 60° wedge and hit a series of shots.  Testing  was done at Tark’s Indoor Golf, a state of the art indoor golf facility located in Saratoga Springs, NY.  Detailed data for each and every shot for which we collected is viewable in the interactive portion of this review.  This data serves as the foundation for our final performance score.  Golfers were also asked to provide feedback in our subjective categories (looks, sound &  feel, perceived forgiveness, and likelihood of purchase).  This information is used as the foundation for our total subjective score.

Radius-Based Scoring

For wedge testing, performance scores are derived using what we refer to as radius-based scoring.  Instead of simply asking our testers to hit the ball as long and as straight as they can, testers are asked to stick their shots as close as they possibly can to a pin set at an appropriate wedge distance.

75% of the total performance score is calculated based on where each shot fell in proximity to the hole.  Closer is obviously better.

Under our updated scoring system, spin now accounts for the remaining 25% of the performance score. Because we’ve increased our accuracy expectations, and have moved to MPV-based (Maximum Point Value) scoring for spin, the expectation is that, compared with the previous generation of wedge reviews, overall scores under the new system will be lower.

PERFORMANCE SCORING

Accuracy

Combined our testers hit their shots to an average of 21.02 feet from the pin. When our least accurate tester is removed from the sample, the average improves to 20.45 feet. In both cases, the Mizuno MP-R12 Wedges are the most accurate numbers our testers have posted for any wedge tested under the updated system.

Interestingly, our senior tester who has lived the better part of his life believing that forged wedges are harder to hit, or measurably less accurate than their cast counterparts, actually posted the best numbers; missing the target by an average of 15.68 feet.

Our lowest handicap golfer also averaged inside of 20 feet (19.75), marking the first time two testers were inside the 20 foot barrier for the same wedge. Most impressive, our two lest accurate testers (and I’m ashamed to admit that I was one of them), missed by less than 24 feet on average. While I’d of course like to do better, it’s a number that I could live with if I had to.

When we look the best birdie opportunities, those shots within 10 feet of the pin, we find a total of 8 shots with each of our golfers represented at least once. The best shot of the bunch came to rest only inches from the cup.

If we expand our definition to 15 feet, the number of “birdie” opportunities more than doubles to 20.

MGS Accuracy Score: 87.80

Spin

Like everybody else in the industry, Mizuno has designed their wedges to USGA Limits, but as we’ve seen, there can be a wide variance in spin between manufacturers.

Looking at spin numbers overall, we find that our testers as a group averaged 9513 RPM. When we remove the least spinny of our testers (not surprisingly our senior tester), the group average jumps to 10003. Our scoring model makes exceedingly high spin scores difficult (perhaps even impossible) to achieve, so you’ll have to take me at my word when I tell you that the Mizuno MP-R12 Wedge numbers are pretty damn awesome, and are certainly the highest under the updated system.

Maybe it’s the head. It might be the spinner shaft. It’s probably the combination. Regardless, as individuals, one of our testers posted an average of well over 11000 RPM (11228), another hit 10113, and your’s truly missed the coveted 10K mark by less than 5 RPM. Only a sub-par performance by one of our more reliable wedge guys keeps this score from being a tick or two higher.

MGS Spin Score: 90.02

Overall Performance

Short of pinpoint, dart-throwing, stick-it-where-you-want it accuracy, there isn’t much that would have improved the performance of this wedge. From my perspective it’s one of the better wedges we’ve ever tested. The truth is we felt our previous review system was far too easy on wedges, and so we wanted to rein in what we viewed as scores that were higher than they probably should be (not everything deserves an A, right?). The new system is strict…some might say too strict, but to get an A-grade here a wedge has to be nothing less than phenomenal. The Mizuno MP-R12 is almost that.

MGS OVERALL PERFORMANCE SCORE: 88.31



The Interactive Data

The charts below show the individual and group averages (black dotted line) for each shot our golfers took during our test of the Mizuno MP-R12 wedge. If you click on the “MP-R12 Range” tab, you can see where each shot came to rest on our virtual driving range. Hovering over any point will give you all the details of that particular shot. You can use the filters on the right-hand side to show and hide individual golfers or shots based on handicap or distance from the hole speed.

SUBJECTIVE SCORING

Looks

If you think the looks score I’m fixin’ (that’s what they say in the South…fixin’…it’s weird, isn’t it?) to write down is lower than it ought to be, I suggest you take it up with Mizuno. They’re the ones who wanted to give us all an alternative to the classically-shaped T11.

It’s not like the R12 isn’t a beautiful wedge. Hell, it’s pretty enough to kiss. The thing is, the T11 was a beautiful wedge too…and it’s so pretty you’ll not only want to kiss it, you’re going to want to use a little tongue. This is getting a little awkward, isn’t it?

Point is, most of our testers really like the looks of the Mizuno MP-R12, but most of the guys have fond memories of the T11, and simply put, the majority prefer the smaller teardrop shape to the bigger, though still reasonably compact, R12.

Of course, I have to point out that not much more than shape differentiates the T & R lines of Mizuno wedges. The top lines are virtually identical as is the sole width. Comparing the 56° models; while the MP-T11 features what one might consider a classic C-Grind (with plenty of heel and toe relief), the R12 has visibly more trailing edge relief (I’d call it a V-Grind), and does appear to do a better job of keeping the leading edge a bit lower when the wedge is fanned open.

A single tester basically told us he has a visual aversion to the MP-R12 (the wedge told me it thinks he’s ugly too…so it’s all good), but mostly the guys really like the looks, but still felt compelled to mark it down slightly from the previously reviewed T11.

MGS Looks Score: 89.58

Sound & Feel

I’m not sure what I can say here. We’ve been through this before. MP-53 Irons, MP-59 Irons, MP-T11…Mizuno makes a club that basically feels second to none. The R12 does not deviate from that model. Yeah…we had one guy who only rated it a 7, but Tark’s has a bar, and we think maybe he spent a little too much time bellied up to it.

Another testers told us that it took a little time to adjust, but once he got a feel for it, hitting the MP-R12 was pure silk.

MGS Feel Score: 98.54

Perceived Forgiveness

If you’re looking for a more forgiving wedge, you might want to look at Mizuno’s JPX series. Forgiveness really isn’t what the R12’s are all about, but at the same time, most find them just about as easy to hit as anything else.

The one knock is that there is certainly some distance loss (and perhaps more so than other wedges) when shots are hit a bit high on the face, or out towards the toe. I won’t talk about the heel, because the heel is close to the hosel, and we don’t talk about no shanks here.

Tester Perceived Forgiveness Score: 86.00

Likelihood of Purchase

I’ve pointed it out before, and no doubt I’ll point it out again. Our LOP score is where we get the best sense of how our testers feel about the club we’re reviewing. In the case of the R12, the one detractor made it very clear he would be unlikely to consider purchasing the R12 wedges. The consensus among the rest of our testers, however; would suggests that guy needs to go take a nap.

What we’ve got in the Mizuno MP-R12 wedge is a club that our guys like the looks of, and absolutely love to hit. The LOP score says as much.

Tester Likelihood of Purchase: 91.38

On a purely subjective level there’s not much about the Mizuno MP-R12 wedge that’s not to like. Yes…it’s a bit bulkier than Mizuno’s Teardrop-shaped MP-T11, but it’s still qualifies as much more of a player’s style wedge than much of what’s in the marketplace today. The sole grind is versatile, and the feel is everything we’ve come to expect from Mizuno. It’s not any surprise to me that the majority of our testers told me they would strongly consider putting the MP-R12 in their bags for 2012.

TOTAL SUBJECTIVE SCORE: 92.99


CONCLUSION

Though the Mizuno MP-R12 has clearly fallen victim to the updated scoring system, in my opinion it’s every bit the wedge that the MP-T11 is. While there are clearly similarities, it’s also a very different wedge. While obviously the shape is a significant differentiator, subtle differences in the topline, and some differences to the sole grind are all factors that would lead one to choose one wedge over the other. Quite frankly, while I definitely prefer the look of the previously reviewed MP-T11, the arguably more versatile MP-R12 is probably the better fit for my game.

The bottom line is that if you’re looking for a wedge that offers unsurpassed feel, a versatile sole grind (none of that you’re either a digger or a slider stuff), and performance that rivals anything out there today, the Mizuno MP-R12 wedge should definitely be at or near the top of your list.

Golf Digest clearly thinks otherwise, but for the majority of our testers, Mizuno’s MP-R12 is without a doubt a gold medal wedge.

MGS TOTAL SCORE:  89.25


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      Donnacha Lyons

      3 years ago

      Bought my MPR 12’s in March 2012, 52 bent to 50, 56 bent to 55 and a 60, best looking and performing wedges I’ve ever owned still have them to this day only playing them during summer months and in big competition’s. I’ve approximately 6 sets of wedges and they are different class

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      sammy

      10 years ago

      How come the Callaway forged wedge scored higher marks in the spin performance than the Mizuno 12 review even thought the Mizuno scored higher rpms in the test?

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      RobCH

      11 years ago

      Just waiting for a threesome of these to arrive and looking forward to giving them a workout, but these are BIG club faces. Put them down alongside a Vokey or an MP-T11 and they look like soup plates, which may not be to everyone’s taste. Take a look at them in the metal before you buy.

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      nvgolfdude

      11 years ago

      I agree with GolfSpyT, these are the best wedges I’ve had in my bag in over a decade. I’ve been looking for a forged, conforming wedge that I liked. I’ve been through the custom fitting experience with Scratch (sold them after a month), Fourteen, Vokey’s, and Cleveland. I did not like any of them enough to kick the TM RAC TP Z wedges out of the bag. The MP-R12 has taken up residence in my bag. The feel is awesome! They do not chew up my Pro V1’s. Great spin. Great versatility for all kinds of shots! I love the black nickel finish.

      My only complaint was the DG Spinner shafts which promised a lower ball flight but delivered the opposite, ballooning shots. This was easily fixed though. I pulled the stock shafts and replaced them with original Rifle stepless Spinner wedge shafts and I was in love!! In fact, I just ordered a 58-10 bent to 60-12. This will give me an alternate wedge for when I need more bounce (softer playing conditions). My only complaint is that the 50* is not available in black nickel. I highly recommend the MP-R12 if you prefer a wedge with a rounder shape, a little old school if you will…

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      RobCH

      11 years ago

      NVG, are you sure the 50* isn’t available in black nickel? There’s one for sale on eBay right now… http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mizuno-MP-R12-Wedge-50-Degree-/251181984085?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Golf_GolfClubs_JN&hash=item3a7b9ce955

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      Karsten Jonsson

      12 years ago

      Hi there,

      I ordered the MP-R12 54 and 58 wedges after reading this stunning review.

      The wedges they were supposed to replace were my nice and trusty Cleveland CG-15 DSG Oil Quench wedges, which are actually superb wedges regarding both looks and feel.

      Anyway I wanted to try something else for the new season and went for the MP-R12.

      My Adams CB1 irons have a gap wedge (52 degrees), which is why I chose the 54 / 58 combo..

      I had the wedges fitted with KBS Hi Rev shafts and waited 14 long days for them to arrive..

      They finally arrived yesterday, 10 minutes before I was going out on my Monday round with the guys and I was thrilled like a baby on Christmas Eve when opening the parcel and I ripped the wrapping plastic off the irons to see what they were like (hadn’t seen them “live” before – only on pictures and here).. I was very pleased with the finish on the back of the wedges.. Very beatiful indeed!! But when I grounded the wedges I was quite dissapointed to say the least..
      It seemed as if the top line was an inch thick and the overall size of the wedge like something I played when I was a beginner – very large and bulky :-(

      Hmm..

      I replaced the CG-15 wedges with the MP-R12 and went golfing.. Only got to hit a few shots on the range before teeing off and the wedges felt ok, when I was able to abstract from the thick topline, so they stayed in the bag when I went to the tee box and I was still a bit excited about having new wedges in the bag and very excited about how I thougth they would perform….

      I’m normally not that bad at the short game. I’m a 9,9 handicapper, who to be honest, struggles a wee bit maintain the hcp. but short wedge shots and chips around the green are normally ok for me, so I weren’t that afraid of the upcoming round, but maybe I should have been..

      The round was pure hell..

      Some loose shots from tee and fairway, sure, but not catastrous but the wedgeshots..

      Oh my god……….

      If they weren’t way to short of what I was aiming at and ended up in bunkers and what not, they were duffs and thin shots..

      It was 18 holes of sheer hell and I had quite a struggle to keep up the good spirit and I can tell you that the guys in the fourball didn’t help me much with that, since they were laughing their asses off in expectation of the round of loosers beer I was going buy after the round..

      As you might guess I had some sandtrap training during the round and I must admit that the 58 wedge was phenomenal.. I didn’t mis one bunkershot and were able to pin some of the greenside bunkershots very close to the flag, but the shots from the grass..
      The full shots were actually not that bad at all though..! Quite straight, a bit high, maybe cause of the Hi Rev shafts and the lofts – but way, way too short but I just couldn’t come to terms with the chipping and I mainly think that was because the distraction the large heads gave me..

      They weren’t the small, sexy babies I’m used to:-(

      So what can I say of these wedges…?

      If you like quite large heads and rather thick toplines they are for you…!
      If you want a wedges to be thin, slick and a like surgical instrument, they are not..!

      I put them out for sale as soon as I got home and had my labtop fired up.. I was tired of the purchase and of the round I had just played and totaly dissapointed..

      Now it is 7 in the morning as I’m writing this and after reading the MGS test and the replies once again and after recalling the round and the shots played I’m beginning to think that maybe I should give the wedges a fair chance… Take then to the range and chipping green and practice a couple of hours before gaming them again and then make the decision.. That might be the reasonable thing to do, and I think that’s what’s going to happen during the next week or so. Maybe I’ll grow to like the wedges which I hope but it all boils down to whether I can get used to looking at them and make the wee chips..

      I’m sorry this “review” isn’t all honey and roses but my experience on the course yesterday wasn’t either :-)

      By the way, pardon my English.. I’m from Denmark, Europe, so bear with me :-)
      Jonsson

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      runner

      11 years ago

      So what happened after you revisited?

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      saundoggy

      12 years ago

      Just bought the mp r12s…replacing the 11s…no brainer as the r12s are superior. The only problem I had was deciding on the brushed or the nickel…I was at golfsmith for about an hour debating…man I wanted the nickel but Went with tradition…

      I wish my mp 59s were brushed vs chrome…the 59s are the best looking iron ever made…best feeling…best everything except if they were brushed..or satin…no peer!!!!

      Mizuno is clearly the best in manufacturing golf irons…no one comes close…

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      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Saundoggy, couldn’t agree with ya more on the Mizzys…Been playing ’em for 25+ years & it’s safe to say that they’re the Mercedes of irons…I wouldn’t necessarily say that they are superior to the 11s..They are two different wedges…I too have both, though the 11s are the finest wedge I’ve ever hit & they’re staying in the bag..The MGS review of both not withstanding, the 12s carry on Mizuno’s tradition..You can’t go wrong with either…Fairway’s &Greens 4ever….

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      saundoggy

      12 years ago

      Rp..I’m an absolute nut when it comes to mizuno…in 3 years time…I’ve purchased 57s 53s 58s and now 59s…I’m not going anywhere after the 59s…
      Spoke too soon on the 11s vs the 12s..as I have yet to play the 12s yet…but I can just tell that the 12s will perform better as they feel perfect …Lie flatter and are not as round…make sense?

      I never settle and should be hired by mizuno after the capital I’ve spent their way.

      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Saundoggy, you’ll love ’em..They are a great wedge..The 59s are a sweet iron..They are much, much improved over the 58s IMHO, & I replaced my combos(3-6i MP-63, 7i-PW MP-68) with ’em..My friends call me Richard..The best to ya this season…Fairways & Greens 4ever……

      Yohanan

      12 years ago

      Orderd the 60 today from ifit in folsom. Cant wait to put it in play. The 52 did what it was bought for gap in yardages from my gap down to 56. The 56 is a chipping machine. If the 60 produces 80 yards from fairway i will be happy. I have not played out of the sand yet. Which is ironic. I am normally good for one bunker shot per round?

      The ball was a cally diablo tour. Spun well and didnt get chewed up with the new wedges either.

      Normally play a pro v x. Will try that and the hit the sand practice area this weekend and report back with the 60 feedback when it lands.

      Cheers

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      Jeff Beck

      12 years ago

      With all due respect, your testing is all done indoors on a golf simulator, hitting balls off mats. At least you guys are willing to divulge your testing methodology, unlike most sites that hit a few shots on the range and come to their conclusions. Having said that, what about short game performance, chipping, half shots and bunker play? What kind of balls were used, because that has a huge impact on testing. I appreciate all the data and numbers and rating scores you come up with, but how can this be at all representative of how these (or any other clubs) would perform in the real world with different lies, grasses, wind and green speeds?

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Jeff – You’re not wrong. The short of it is that we test how and what our capabilities allow us to. I’d love to gather data from the rough and sand, but we don’t have the tools necessary, and without being able to collect the data, well…it’s not something we wish to pursue at this time. Of course, I never ever miss a fairway, always lay up to full swing distance, and I’ve never been in a bunker in my life, so anything but the fairway is largely inconsequential to me anyway (I’m totally fully of crap).

      With respect to chipping, half-shots. We actually discussed this at length, and after some investigation we came to the conclusion that more so than anything else we test, chipping, half shots, and bunkers are substantially more a test of the golfer’s ability than they are the equipment. While it might not be pretty, everyone is comfortable with taking a full swing. When you get into those awkward shots…well…it becomes more a skill test than a club performance evaluation. I’ll kick in my opinion from time to time, but when you get into the key elements of the short game, the club plays a much lesser role in performance.

      We’ve never suggested our wedge reviews are representative of total performance. Again…there are far too many elements to the short game. Even if we had portable tools (say a Trackman, ForeSight GC2, etc.), I believe a COMPLETE wedge review that hold true to our data-driven standards, if even possible, would be cost prohibitive from a time/benefit perspective.

      As for the balls…aboutGolf simulators require the use of specially marked balls. The stock ball which we currently use for our tests is based on an earlier (pre-Hex technology) Callaway. I’m working with aboutGolf to pick up some of the newly offered performance balls (Callaway Tour (iz) I believe). Hopefully we’re not too far away from being able to test with a “normal” golf ball. When the technology allows for us to do so, we’ll either pick a single ball sponsor for all tests, or perhaps each of our testers will play his preferred ball. That would also open the door to more comprehensive ball testing which would be really sweet as well.

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      UgoDerosa

      12 years ago

      Thanks for the review. I own a set of the MP-T11’s, and I was curious about the differences between T11’s and R12’s (aside from the obvious differences in head shape). I am going to stick with my T11’s, but the R12’s do like a great option for those who prefer the shape of the R. I totally agree with your perspective on GD’s Hot List. I read it and find it somewhat entertaining, and even occassionally accurate, but for real, detailed and in-depth reviews I go to MGS. The placement of the T11’s (and it sounds like the R12’s) in the silver category was proof positive for me that GD’s Hot List seems to be secretly serving another master ($) rather than truth and accuracy.

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      Yohanan

      12 years ago

      Played today in very windy conditions. Hard to gauge distances from 115 down to 75. But I am still very happy with feel and spin. Hit the 52 to with 6′ on 17the at Wood Creek. Missed the birdie putt – but that s nothing new. If you are looking for new wedges. – your search could end here. TWO WORDS – Butter and Money!

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      Tom Crisan

      12 years ago

      Traded in my 800 pro’s for the new MP 59’s absolutely the very best iron on the market
      I have now traded in my MP T-11 for the MP R-12. Again same comments just the very best money can buy

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      Dace

      12 years ago

      Hey Tom, Traded in my Taylormade R7’s on the same day – Feb 23 – for a set of 59’s.
      Two rounds later, they are fantastic, weaker lofts but no loss of distance.
      Fantastic sound and looks to die for.
      Hope yours are going well.
      Dace.

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      David

      12 years ago

      I would be curious to know which one is the other wedge ??? If I could guess, I would probably hesitate between the Nike and the J40. But right now, as u look to got bought by TM, I won’t be surprise if it was the ATV.

      Regarding the Golf Digest hot list, even if I buy it, I don’t really like it. To predictable. I prefer the club testing from Golf Magasine, specially last year where every tester choosed their prefered clubs. In the wedge, I remember the Nike, the Mizuno and the Ping were scoring high… sure, some choose also the Volkey but I was not the domination of the category like in GD magasine…

      Regarding the Mizu.. I want to change my nike wedge this year and they are a contender… The J40 would be my fist pic but really hard to find here in Canada. Mizuno will probably get my purchase !

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      David, although it didn’t come out this way, I take it you meant to write, ” as you look to get bought by TM, I won’t be surprised if it was the ATV.”…Though I’m in no position to comment on someone’s typos & grammar if you read my posts…

      I take it you were trying to be cute, & I certainly am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you weren’t being serious…Not to be picky, though I detest passive/aggressive behavior(including the written word) & if you were attempting to slide that comment in as a matter of fact, you couldn’t be further off the mark.

      Though this post does not deal w/the TM garbage(which that statement would fall under), I think MGS has gone way, way, way past the point of explaining themselves…Quite frankly, they owe none of us an explanation…If we don’t like the direction that the site’s going, don’t visit..Pretty simple..To respond ad nausium is to give credibility, & lord knows, statements like yours & many of the other posts have zero credibility…Have a good one….Fairways & Greens 4ever….

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      David

      12 years ago

      Sorry, I made a grammar mistake… Anyway, it was more a joke than anything else… Although, maybe mostly a sacarstic remember to never forget the importance of their independence… anyway, I couldn’t say a lot of garbage stuff against TM as I’m playing a TM driver now!

      Anyway, I didn’t understand why MGS were hiding the other wedge on the silver medal list that should be consider as a gold medal. In fact, I’m really curious about it. As I said, I’m planning to buy new wedges this year and all the wedge I’m looking for are on the silver medal list of GD, so I would give more credibility to MGS for their appreciation of wedges vs GD hot list!

      Anyway, great review and the Mizu will probably be my choice.

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      David, as I said, I’m the last person on this site who should speak about grammar/typos..I play the 11s & they’re phenomenal, & it sounds like the 12s are every bit the club that the 11s are, with more versatility…Good luck in your search….The best this season…..Fairway’s & Greens 4ever…..

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      This is being picky because the 12s obviously are a phenomenal wedge, though why, oh why do they have to put ” Quad Cut Grooves” on the head…I just wish one of their design guys would stand up in a meeting & say, “No, enough is enough, not on this club”….WHY do these guys feel an obsessive compulsion to fill up any free space with writing ( usually the latest feature/technology)……For the most part the Miizzy irons are clutter free, though look @ Miura, the WS FG-17s, the Titleist 680s, etc…Just a thought….Fairway’s & Greens 4ever………..

      Eric

      12 years ago

      I have a set of the 11’s and love them. These look great!

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      nick

      12 years ago

      When are ya’ll going to review the SM4’s?

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      Peter Ciambrone

      12 years ago

      Wow, I was just about to buy some new wedges from score, how do you thing the Mizuno compare to them? My wedge purchase is now on hold till further research, thanks for the review!

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Nice review T…Fairways & Greens 4ever…..

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      Ed

      12 years ago

      Got the 56 a few weeks ago in black nickel. Absolutely love it, in fact out if all the wedges I own including Volkey, Nike, Eidolon etc… I like the R12 the best so far. Due to the sole grind, it’s the most versatile wedge I’ve tried. I can open up the 56 so flat that I can shoot lobs all day long without the fear of catching the bottom edge. With this wedge, I see no reason to carry a 60. Of course time will tell if this is the case. Can’t wait to play a few more rounds with it.

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      Yohanan

      12 years ago

      OK – I logged on using the Company PC. So lets see if I can type better instead of using the Droid X? I re-read the review. I am very excited. Hopefully the yardages are about the same as the CG-11 I had for the last 5 years. 52 110-115; 56 95-100; 60 75-80 with a full swing. My complaint with the CG-16 was the the huge gap between my 50 PING G5 Utility Wedge which I love hitting at 120 to 125 and the 110 to 105 with the CG-16 52 and so on going down. And getting stuck in the ground hitting the balls dead right to start and not being happy at all with chipping around the green getting stuck. Which is probably the best part of my game over the years? So I was needless to say “looking hard’ for a replacement. I see from reading the review all the clubs north of 60 degrees are .25″ longer. I like it. I am 6’2″ and my Pings are 1/2″ over. I may add 1/4” to the 60? We shall see? I don’t hit a 60 very often only when in deep bunker or over a tree? Anyway – I am very happy with the consistency of this club around the green. I hit over 100 balls before the mosquito’s ran me at Sunset Whitney in Rocklin CA. I agree the flexibility of the grind, the look and of course the feel are very good. I did not like the weight of the Nike DS wedges. They felt heavy. Some people like that. I don’t. I felt like if I went with the SM4’s that I would need to go see a fitter to get it right with all the grinds and bounces. I am am digger for sure. But these R12 seem to say “No problem.” Especially the 56. And I am not kidding when it took 2 swings into the net a GG to say – OK – Let’s do this. It felt that good. I hit a few more and watched where it was hitting the net and I must say it was very consistent. I have a game set up for tomorrow after an early departure from work. I will report back what happened and if I am still happy.

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      Yohanan

      12 years ago

      Wow – guess what I picked up today? Without reading this first? I completely agree with the review! I replaced CG 16 52 56 and 60. I was told that the reason why I lost 7 to 9 yards was because the sharp leading edge digging with my high angle of attack swing. I immediately went back to Sunset Whitney in Rocklin where I was practice chipping with the Cleveland CG16 and I am very pleases. It took all of about 2 swings into the net at GG to. Ale the purchase and head back to the practice area. I was in disbelief after bagging CG11 for 5 years and was looking to upgrade with the 16’s. All they did was get stuck in the fairway and wasn’t very consistent around the greens. These are very consistent. Can’t wait till tomorrow and I with reportback on yardage and feel from the fairway. I saw the hot list review and was looking at the sm4 with more options to make a mistake on which one which bounce and grind. And the Nike ds. This came to length they were a half inch longer than the nine ans lighter. The GG pro was suggesting last years callaway. But I went these first on the leading edge grind and then feel into the net. Which didn’t take long to pull the trigger. I guessed the MSG angel was watching over me this afternoon around 3:30?

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      Drew

      12 years ago

      Another solid review! Any idea how the spin numbers for this club compares to a typical non-conforming wedge?

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Drew – We haven’t seen huge differences in spin numbers between our highest spinning conforming wedges and earlier non-conforming ones. With the older wedges we’d see an occasional shot that would hit 12000 RPM. That doesn’t happen with the new wedges.

      Manufacturers will tell out the greatest differences can be found out of the rough and in damp conditions. We don’t have a means to reliably and consistently test under those conditions right now, so we can’t make those comparisons.

      Maybe someday…

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      Shaunthesheep

      12 years ago

      Nice one, I saw the silver medal as well and as an R12 wedge owner I thought bull****! There is a way around liking the look of the T11 over the R12, carry one of each!!

      Reply

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