MyGolfSpy’s 2015 Golf’s Most Wanted Driver Test – All The Details
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MyGolfSpy’s 2015 Golf’s Most Wanted Driver Test – All The Details

MyGolfSpy’s 2015 Golf’s Most Wanted Driver Test – All The Details
For Testing Updates, Please See This Post in the MyGolfSpy Forum

A couple of weeks ago we let you know that invitations for the 2015 Most Wanted Driver Test had been sent.

We told you how we reached out to 16 different companies. We told you about how we worked with R&D teams at 3 different OEMs to refine our testing process. We told you that our 2015 test would be bigger and better than ever.

Now it’s time to dig into the specifics. Apart from the behind the scenes stuff (lots of spreadsheets and math), we wanted to share with you exactly how things are changing for the better, and of course, give you the list of companies who have boldly chosen to participate, and the shorter list of those who would prefer not to go head to head with their competitors.

Let’s get to it.

Significant Improvements

We’ve Partnered with Foresight Sports. Moving forward all of our Most Wanted Club Tests, and club reviews will be powered by Foresight GC2 launch monitors. We’ll have more details on this partnership in the coming weeks, but needless to say we’re incredibly excited to be using the same technology that the big golf companies rely on for their indoor testing.

We’ve Partnered with Bridgestone Golf. You guys ask us about the golf ball quite often. While we’ve always been consistent in what we use, we’ve never had the opportunity to use a true tour-quality ball before. Beginning with the 2015 Driver test, all Most Wanted tests, as well as labs and reviews that rely on a golf ball constant will leverage Bridgestone’s B330 golf balls.

We’re Separating Pro and Tour Heads. In the past we’ve combined Pro/Tour heads with their standard counterparts. Some testers hit the Tour head while others hit the standard. While this was certainly efficient, we feel there’s enough difference that each model should stand on its own. So for this year’s tests, and all future tests, each variation will be tested independently and hit by all of our testers.

We’ve Increased the Number of Testers. When we spoke with the golf companies about our testing protocols, we focused on two areas; the number of shots and the number of testers. While it might surprise you to learn that nearly everyone told us we were hitting plenty more shots than we needed in order to get valid data, it will surprise you less to know that every company told us we needed more testers.

What’s the right number? Is it 10? 15? We asked that question to the 3 companies we worked with extensively on our testing procedures, as well as two others we had cursory conversations with. Each and every time we asked, the answer was the same: 20.

Could we really scale from 6 testers to 20? Hell yes we can.

This year’s test will feature 20 golfers of differing abilities, swing speed, etc.. As we’ve done in the past, we’ll collect, sort, and present our data to you when we announce our 2015 winners.

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Who Was Invited

We sent out invitations to the following 16 golf companies. Each was given a brief rundown of the test, and invited to send any and all models from its current lineup, and as always given the opportunity to ask any questions about the test itself.

  • Adams
  • Bombtech
  • Bridgestone
  • Callaway
  • Cleveland
  • Cobra
  • Geek
  • Mizuno
  • Nike
  • PING
  • PowerBilt
  • Srixon
  • TaylorMade
  • Titleist
  • TourEdge
  • Wilson

We’ve had a late addition. Royal Collection will also be participating in the 2015 Test.

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Declined to Participate

The good news is that 11 of the 16 (make that 12 of 17) companies almost immediately agreed to participate. As is the case every season, there are a few companies who declined to participate. And so here they are…the companies who would prefer its products not be tested by MyGolfSpy.

  • Adams
  • Bombtech
  • Callaway
  • Cleveland
  • Titleist

In fairness, two of the companies listed had specific and legitimate reasons for declining to participate:

  • Adams is in the midst of a brand transformation of sorts, and unfortunately the company’s 2015 offerings are not yet available.
  • Cleveland declined to send the new CG Black for the larger test, however; the company was more than willing to send samples for future testing among golfers within the product’s target demographic.

Bombtech has made its position clear in the past, and we want you to know that we did everything we possibly could to sway Callaway and Titleist, but in the end, each declined to provide product samples for unbiased, data-driven testing. Make of their decision to avoid our test what you will.

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We’re Not Taking No For An Answer

When we considered all factors – Callaway’s resurgence largely as a result of the rebirth of Bertha, arguably Titleist’s most innovative and certainly most exciting release in years with the 915 Series, and another season of bold claims from Bombtech, we felt we’d be doing golfers, and more specifically our readers, a tremendous disservice by excluding any of these brands from our 2015 test.

While Bombtech, Callaway and Titleist have told us they don’t want to be a part of our test, our response is – as polite as it possibly can be – we understand and respect your decision, however; this year, you don’t have a choice.

MyGolfSpy has never been about what manufacturers want. It’s about what our readers want, and we’re hearing you loud and clear. You guys want to see how the Titleist 915, Callaway Big Bertha (Alpha 815 Double Black Diamond, and V-series), and the Bombtech Grenade stack up against the competition, and so we’re going to do what we have to do to get those answers for you.

To that end, we are taking steps to procure Callaway, Titleist, and Bombtech drivers through other channels.

Bombtech, Callaway, and Titleist drivers will be part of MyGolfSpy’s 2015 Most Wanted Driver Test, whether those companies want them to be or not.

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Testing Starts Soon

We’re still waiting for some product to arrive, and of course, we need to survive the holidays. Our expectation is that testing will begin the week of January 5th, and will likely take 4-6 weeks to complete and process.

We’ll almost certainly have more information to share once testing gets rolling, so be sure to follow MyGolfSpy on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram for the latest information on our 2015 Most Wanted Driver Test.

Support MyGolfSpy’s Most Wanted Testing

As you may already know, MyGolfSpy doesn’t accept advertising dollars from the biggest names in golf. We believe it’s the only way to remain above the influence while performing real tests and publishing real results based on real data. In Most Wanted Testing, there are clear winners, and not everybody gets a medal.

If you’d like to help cover the cost of the most complete and comprehensive club testing in golf (this includes the cost of testing facilities and clubs from Bombtech, Callaway, and Titleist), please consider making a donation to MyGolfSpy’s Most Wanted Testing Fund.

100% of donation money received will be used to offset expenses directly related to our 2015 Most Wanted Driver Test.

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Tony is the Editor of MyGolfSpy where his job is to bring fresh and innovative content to the site. In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. Most of all Tony believes in performance over hype and #PowerToThePlayer.

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      BRIAN MC GARRY

      9 years ago

      HEY KRANK GOLF HAS A PROVEN UNBIASED RECORD FOR PRODUCING SOME OF HIGHEST QUALITY DRIVERS ON THE PLANET.
      A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF LONG DRIVE WINNERS HAVE USED THIS CLUB MFG. WITH ENORMOUS SUCCESS ……IN PUBLIC NO HOLDS BARRED IT IS A WINNING CLUB.

      WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION ? WHY DID YOU CHOOSE NOT TO TEST THIS PRODUCT ?

      KRANK GOLF DRIVERS SHOULD BE ON YOUR LIST AND TESTED.

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      Howie

      9 years ago

      I bought the driver that was nominated as the best in 2014 the Cobra fly Z and I was playing the Callaway X hot 2 . I am a high handicap 75 year old as far as distance goes I have seen no noticeable difference on the golf course between the two clubs. The fly Z seems to be straighter and slightly more accurate but IT IS MUCH HARDER TO HIT than the Callaway. I was wondering if anyone else has had the same experience?

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      Bill Hawkins

      9 years ago

      I know that we are discussing 2015 models but can you give me a comparison of the 2014 Callaway X2 hot Driver and the Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Driver?

      Thanks.

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      carl

      9 years ago

      All really legitimate testing nowadays is done on trackman…. outdoors, not indoors on simulators, GC2 is par to bogey technology…

      Reply

      Robert E

      9 years ago

      Good objective test but excludes prior years models that might be better/as good.

      Reply

      leftgolfer

      9 years ago

      I like the way MGS tests and have found it to pretty spot on. My Stage 2 tour is still in my bag from 2 years ago and I’m waiting for something to replace it. That being said I have to test the drivers myself which is hard because I am lefthanded but find each individual might have a club that works for them the best. I think MGS put a group of golfers together and “they” find the driver that appeals to the most golfers which would be the longest or straightest, etc. Ideally I want the longest and most controllable and my Stage 2 tour fits that billing currently. I can hit drivers longer and straighter but not give me the best of both worlds. When the results come back and I’m anxiously awaiting, I will go try the top 3-4 and see how they stack up. I will either be buying or hoping in the end. Thanks MGS for your hard work.

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      gphin305

      9 years ago

      Thanks for update. Getting 4-6 inches of snow here tomorrow in Philly area. Guess my golf season will be delayed again. Look forward to your results.

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      I was going to weigh in sooner, but truthfully I found some of the speculation amusing and wanted to see how far it would go. Sorry if we’re being perceived as evasive.

      Yes…we’re running a little behind schedule (obviously). I underestimated the amount of time it would take to get through 20 testers and 30 clubs. It’s roughly 150 hours of actual swing time. That’s with zero regard for inputting data, or even building the processing system.

      No…we’re not being sued. I can’t imagine what the grounds would be. Nobody knows the results (myself included), as we’re just starting to pull all the data together. We’re talking about lots of work in excel to keep the data manageable and in a format we can use next time and the time after that, and so on.

      We’re going to start pushing out a bit more info next week, with the full results published the week after that. From there, it’s on to the next big test.

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      In Poker it’s called a verbal bluff. Tony, I knew that ‘phony law suit’ post would ‘out you’…LOL

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      James

      9 years ago

      No, I think it was my asking for my 5 dollars back that did him in.

      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      Agreed James! It was Da’ Cash that did Tony in….YO!

      James

      9 years ago

      I want my 5 dollars back.

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      steve almo

      9 years ago

      G0phin…maybe Josh is correct. A Cease and Desist may have been filed by one of the
      Majors that was forced to be tested even though they stated…they did not want to partake.

      That is a possibility…just on spec, of course.

      The silent treatment is what I don’t understand…we are not asking for much here.

      What happened to the tell-it-like-it-is attitude?

      Tony, not to be a Jerk, although some might argue that point…All these companies submitted quite a few clubs for the testing (at least 7 each as you requested)…………….and now MUM is the word? That I don’t understand.

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      ron holmes

      9 years ago

      any chance of the results been closer to 8 weeks now never mind 4 to 6

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      All else aside. I don’t mind the wait per se…like everone else it’s not getting any info when the testing may be finished. No response from MGS in a long time as requested by it’s readers. Perhaps a Golf Spy is needed for MSG to find out…what the Hell is going on?

      A few words wouldn’t hurt, ya’ know?

      JMO…and many others

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      gphin305

      9 years ago

      Yea, can understand a delay in results for whatever reason but the lack of comment/update by MGS is very puzzling…..especially after numerous inquiries. Decent golf weather here starts next week. May have to move forward without MGS…..oh well.

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      Eric

      9 years ago

      Is the testing getting close to be wrapped up? The time for most people to start buying new drivers is at hand, and this test has many people waiting to pull the trigger. I realize this test is a bit different from years past, but it seems to be taking an awful long time to get the results. Hopefully this will get wrapped up shortly.

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      Josh

      9 years ago

      Conspiracy theory time;

      The results are being delayed due to a manufacturers (or maybe multiple) pending lawsuit against MyGolfSpy which, for the time being, is keeping them from showing the results.

      Total shot in the dark here, but they were “almost” finished coming on 3 weeks ago now.

      /I’m just patiently waiting

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      “Indeed, in a world in which club manufacturers hype their equipment as being the longest or the straightest, Geek keeps it real and to the point by simply declaring that Geek has the “Best Golf Clubs On Earth”. However, such a bold proclamation does raise an interesting question, to-wit: If the MGS test suggest that some other manufacturer’s driver performs better, can we conclude that it was made by aliens? Lordy! Lordy! the ramifications of the MGS test may impact how we view our place in the universe. Perhaps, this is why the results have not yet been revealed. Perhaps, we are not ready to know the truth.”

      I’ll agree with that!!!

      Geek Golf Headquarters
      Area 51
      Somewhere in the Southern Nevada desert

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      Chris C.

      9 years ago

      I previously noted that I have had the opportunity to extensively hit most of this year’s contestants. One of those I have not hit is Geek’s’ Floyd. Since Steve was kind enough to have included a link to Geek in his earlier post, I took the opportunity to check out Geek.The Floyd looks interesting. It appears designed for the majority of golfers as opposed to those accustomed to driving balls over the back of driving ranges. Indeed, in a world in which club manufacturers hype their equipment as being the longest or the straightest, Geek keeps it real and to the point by simply declaring that Geek has the “Best Golf Clubs On Earth”. However, such a bold proclamation does raise an interesting question, to-wit: If the MGS test suggest that some other manufacturer’s driver performs better, can we conclude that it was made by aliens? Lordy! Lordy! the ramifications of the MGS test may impact how we view our place in the universe. Perhaps, this is why the results have not yet been revealed. Perhaps, we are not ready to know the truth.

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      Regis

      9 years ago

      This is why I hesitated to weigh in on this. Chis made a simple statement about a new driver that was a success at the PGA show. You decided to call that observation into question. My research before your post supported Chris’ statement. I don’t care how many Long Drive competitions your product has won. I’m sure its a fine product. But ostensibly this site distinguishes itself from others by promoting open unbiased dialogue. Your posts seem to use it to partially promote your brand and you do it often.. And I’m not selling anything so don’t feel the need to tell me to “Keep it Real”.

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      I rarely even bring Geek up! The only reason I did here was you bought it up. And Bang! If you want to wallow in BS…go ahead.

      “But ostensibly this site distinguishes itself from others by promoting open unbiased dialogue.” Said you.

      How naive you are.

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      Please! Geek own’s 20 RE/MAX Worldwide Professional Long Drive Titles. More than any other company. I also did some research….that head (certainly a variation of it) was once under the Panda Golf company owned by the same person. It has been out there for what 8, 9, 10 years or so? And now it is the hit of the 2015 PGA Show?

      Virtually every head made by practically every company….Major or Minor is designed with the average player in mind….again, practically every company. One/some claim not so….and yet you accuse me of being full of BS. BTW…..My designs have no competition…I have an extremely loyal clientele as they know I don’t BS them…period.

      I don’t begrunge any company successes….but keep it real! Sell it on it’s own ‘true’ merits. That is all I ask and others expect.

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      Regis

      9 years ago

      Steve I hated to weigh in on this but your comments irritate me. I never head of High Heat so when Chris posted I did an internet search of the product and there were quite a few articles by respected independent golf writers (or at least I’ve heard of them) that said that the driver was the hit of the show or one of the top 3 or 5 best new products at the show. This is in line with the information in Chris’ post. First of all your assumption that Chris’ retailer must “have a rack of High Heat drivers in his shop” (thereby insinuating that he has to dump inventory) is at best disingenuous. High heat only sells on line and doesn’t start shipping to mid April. Your reference to your “industry insiders” also raises questions and leads me to one of several conclusions. You are full of BS. Your insiders are less “inside” then you suggest or like you your “insiders” are not sharing their true opinion because High Heat is a direct competitor. I have nothing to do with the golf industry except I buy their products. I enjoy this site because I believe it is truly independent. . You however are the owner/founder of both Geek Golf and Bang Golf a presumed direct competitor to High Heat. I invite anyone interested to do their own search of High Heat, Geek etc should they choose to do so and determine for themselves how much weight to give to Steve’s comments and for that matter his product representations.

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      Chris……Then I must assume that this PGA Pro retailer has a rack of the High Heat Drivers in his shop? Afterall….to make a statement like this…how can he not? “The reported “buzz” certainly suggests that the High Heat was one of the stars of the PGA show. I have had an opportunity to speak with a local professional and golf retailer who did have an opportunity to try the High Heat. It was his opinion that the High Heat was one of the best drivers at the show. He was particularly impressed with its ball flight . He opined that it appeared to be as least as long as any other driver and was the clear standout in consistency”.

      Chris….I spoke to many indusrtry insiders that work for Majors, etc. And asked them after the show, “any buzz on anything?” NOT ONE mentioned High Heat…and these are all hard goods people. They keep their eyes and ears open.

      The only reason I mention them is that it seems to me that with a list of contenders in this test why do so many keep mentioning clubs that are not in the test? It sounds to me like most who posts these clubs work for these companies in some manner, are friends or whatever and just try to hype them up…not all of you, of course…But, most certainly some.

      Are they in the test?

      Anyway………it’s no big deal. I always hold to this rule…”It can be the best perfoming club on the market…but, if it doesn’t retail…..who cares!”

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      Chris C

      9 years ago

      Aside from the critique of advertising claims, has anyone actually hit the High Heat? The reported “buzz” certainly suggests that the High Heat was one of the stars of the PGA show. I have had an opportunity to speak with a local professional and golf retailer who did have an opportunity to try the High Heat. It was his opinion that the High Heat was one of the best drivers at the show. He was particularly impressed with its ball flight . He opined that it appeared to be as least as long as any other driver and was the clear standout in consistency. While awaiting the MGS pronouncements, I have had an opportunity to test many of the driver contestants. After thousands of shots, none has come close to unseating last year’s Big Bertha. Hence, my interest in drivers beyond the list of current contestants, such as the High Heat.

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      Brent

      9 years ago

      Disappointed that the big birtha 815 is not included in your testing. It is the standard birtha 815 that 80% of average golfers would fit into. I see the double black diamond is included (designed for the low single digit) and the v series (for the slow swing speed player ). For an accurate comparison, I would think you would want to include the driver that most people would fit into… It would also be benificial if future tests incorporated certified fitters to optimize setups (shaft type, club length, loft, swing weight) for each individual golfer tested. The shift over the past few years has been to optimizing driver setups to the player to maximize individuals potential not so much purchasing off the rack setups. Data on the most common setups which resulted in the best results for each driver would be helpful when going to get fit for a new Driver!

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      jj

      9 years ago

      No results yet? How about an update? At least some preliminary results.

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      Let’s get a move on, Tony!!! I am falling asleep waiting for some test data. Anything!

      http://www.geekgolf.com

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      gphin305

      9 years ago

      No comments for past two weeks now. Anything going on? Any updates when testing results will be published. Snow will be gone in a couple days here in Philly…..season (and buying decisions) will be starting soon.

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      pistolpete

      9 years ago

      Wonder how the test results would compare to those older models before all the tech rules applied to COR and etc?

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      Tanner

      9 years ago

      When will the data be released?

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      Royemans

      9 years ago

      Hi,
      What would be the ETA for the result ?
      Got some €€€ jumping in my pocket …

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      scratch kelly

      9 years ago

      your poll question shows 89% of people believe hot list is influenced by money. And then you see callaway will not submit to your random assessment. That should make the anwers to the poll very clear. Yes. Callaway was gold and best in category in almost if not all categories! How can that be?? I don’t know anyone playing their stuff let alone everyone playing their stuff!!!! just sayin … maybe it’s a coincidence Scratch

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      Andy

      9 years ago

      “I don’t know anyone playing their stuff let alone everyone playing their stuff!!!! just sayin … maybe it’s a coincidence Scratch”

      I am not following this sentence. I see people playing Callaway stuff. I see people playing non Callaway stuff.

      The Hot List is a test, may have biases, take it for what it is worth. Your swing may be different than the “average” player in GD’s test and your needs may be different. I find the driver testing interesting, but it will not change my desire to try out as many as I can to see which club/shaft/loft produces the best results. GD has its test and I find the tester’s comments interesting. MyGolfSpy takes out advertising, so I have more belief in the test results, but I still need to test the clubs myself and give each club a fair shake.

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      James

      9 years ago

      Well Andy, just don’t try out any Callaway stuff, ’cause nobody is playing that stuff. I repeat, no one is playing their stuff. No one is playing their stuff. No one is playing their stuff.

      Regis

      9 years ago

      I bought the SLDR last year in part because of the results of last years tests.and I’m very happy. I’m hoping Callaway wins big this year and here’s why. Personally, I think all of the manufacturers produce a quality product and the test performance differences are negligible, So once again there will be no across the board home run this year. But if Callaway scores big, picks up a couple of tops in category how are the usual suspects going to support their claims of bias, ,payoffs and fix vis a vis the MGS owners, staff, and testers?

      teacher

      9 years ago

      The comments regarding 2 golf giants not offering up “free clubs” made my day. Boys, if you think Titleist or Callaway are worried about a few hundred dollars in clubs for testing you need to pull the bourbon line out of your vein. Acushnet Co. was just sold to Korea’s Fila; you think they care what MGS might want? Acushnet was a small player in the Fortune Co Brand of Deerfield IL. who let the whole thing go for a paltry $1.2 B. Fortune didnt even give it a second thought. That was only one year’s gross revenue! Titleist was DUMPED! http://www.titleist.com/teamtitleist/b/tourblog/archive/2011/07/29/acushnet-company-announces-completion-of-sale.aspx there is the link. Callaway was close to the same revenue at about $900M. Again, neither company was motivated by cost savings measures to not send trial clubs. ( besides all that, boys, the clubs are typically returned to the vendor after the tests and resold) Really you guys are pretty small thinkers. Maybe great golfers but very small thinkers. But that’s okay, it makes you buy more clubs. LMAO

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      GD

      9 years ago

      Your driver testing work is fun to read and appreciated. But shouldn’t you test a robot with different swing speeds, AoA, etc against humans in order to generate some base numbers for each swing group? Humans feel different on different days, weather conditions, etc etc

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      GD

      9 years ago

      Thank you – I just thought it could be another piece of info for fun

      Bobby Stokes

      9 years ago

      I am sending You guys $50 bones Just for the
      “We’re Not Taking No For An Answer”

      Love it!

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      A testing update has been posted in the MyGolfSpy Forum: http://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/12937-update-2015-most-wanted-driver-test/

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      Danny Hall

      9 years ago

      How long does this testing take……my oh my! They announced it 6 months ago it seems. New drivers will be out by the time they finish.

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      thomas murphy

      9 years ago

      Adams going through “rebranding” Adidas should focus them as the hybrid brand and drop the rest. Cleveland is working toward that (more Sumitomo) with Cleveland becoming Srixon except wedges.
      Good job in the way you are going about business. Sidebar of vs last year’s best would be interesting.

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      Chris C.

      9 years ago

      Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Now that GD has finished handing out all of their gold and silver stars for participation, I am chomping at the bit to see some meaningful data. I want to learn who is the goldest, the golder, the silverest… In the alternative, I will settle on discovering which club hits balls the furthest and/or the straightest. Again, thank you and, now, get back to collating the data. Are we there yet?

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      Pete

      9 years ago

      Maybe i missed it somewhere?
      But when will this test acctually be published?
      Thanks for putting in the work for a test if this scale!

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      White Tiger

      9 years ago

      is there somebody who know something about the High Heat driver?

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      I just read up on it. Herein lies the problem….they state right off the bat…”Most companies Drivers are designed for Tour Players”….Soooooo, right away it’s B.S. And then the “polished face” B.S. detailing how you can see by the ball marks left on the face so you can see where you hit it and then simply rub it off….like it’s technology of some sort….LOL! Wait until the face or ball gets ‘wet’ and watch all the knuckle balls…exactly why no one polishes faces anymore. And the BIG deal they make out of ‘forged Titanium’…LOL!

      .

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      lars

      9 years ago

      How’s the progress coming?

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      Jimv

      9 years ago

      What about “Krank” and their “Formula 6 Driver”? Maybe this year they won’t finish behind the $79.99 Tommy Armour Driver LOL……..
      Coming in dead last out of 24 there is only room for improvement. Perhaps day to dream to 23rd position????
      Heck, I could of hand carved a wooden driver head and glued it to a metal shaft that would of came in 24th out of 24 and saved about $390- in the process

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      James

      9 years ago

      I see that Krank now has the Formula 6 available to a limited number of people. Is there still time to try and procure one of these drivers for the test?

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      Andy

      9 years ago

      I donated right away after reading that you will give the middle finger to Titleist and Callaway

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      Hey All…just a quick update for those following this thread at home.

      1. Testing has started. We’re two days deep at this point, which means 12 guys have hit 5 drivers each. We have a looooong way to go yet, and no…I have no idea what the data looks like yet.

      2. Good news on the Bombtech front. Sully has reconsidered his decision to participate in this year’s test. In addition to the 3 drivers we purchased, he has sent 6 more samples for testing including the not-yet-released 9 degree model. We’re certainly very curious to see how it holds up against the big boys.

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      james

      9 years ago

      Go Bombtech!!! Kick the butts of those big boys. That would be quite the story.

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      Drew

      9 years ago

      Any updates on when we might expect the data?

      Thank you

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      Olivier

      9 years ago

      I know you guys are in the USA but it would be interesting to get some smaller and very well priced brands from Europe like Benross, MD Golf and John Letters just to get an idea of how they perform.

      Would be nice! Thanks

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      BeGo

      9 years ago

      2nd MD / Seve Golf! :)

      Add United Golf too. :)

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      solar

      9 years ago

      Adding the declined companies is a great idea. It is easy to be mislead these days with all the media out there. I am all so happy you are adding 20 candidates.Like most, I happen to fall for all the media spells. A good honest opinion is appreciated in today’s mass media frizzy.
      I have one request if it is not to big of deal. Can you please tell us what shafts are being used?

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      P.M.

      9 years ago

      Apologize,sorry for some possibles mistakes in my text, english is not my mother tongue,so…This annual test on driver is a must and a surprise picture on the healty of golf equipement driver each year. I have only one request about this year test, simply add the 3 best of last year, i know it’s not a new idea, some ask about that last year, but I think sincerely if you are an objective source for all avid golfer who want the best for each penny spend for buying club, so think about that. The 2015 driver test it’s a funny think, and you know really more than funny, for most reader it’s a serious test. and this one it’s a first source to determine the choice of the future one big boy. But last year, we see the PING G25 make a kind of reboud over 2013, i’ll know, your explain very well why all these things take place…But the first matter about all this test is, do I need this fabulos beast, if this new one perform at +/- 2 yards of my current driver? Thank, for your good work, it’s make lot of discussions among golf fans…

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      Putra

      9 years ago

      I second this request to include last year’s top performer(s).

      One important question we ask every year is “Is it worth upgrading my clubs this year?”

      So far no website has really tried to answer this question as objectively as possible. MGS is setting the bar high with this driver test. I’d humbly like to ask them to set it even higher by making the new clubs prove how much better they are to last year’s models!

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      P.M

      9 years ago

      Exactly all the matter is here…

      John O'C

      9 years ago

      Can’t wait for the test gang, personally very excited that there are no missing attendees this year. Have to root for Geek and Bombtech! Three cheers for the little guys. USA USA USA

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      muscleback

      9 years ago

      Just stumbled on to this site. What a refreshing change from the garbage being spewed forth by Golf Digest, Golf Channel, Geoff Shackelford and most others…thanks!

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      Annsguy

      9 years ago

      Hey, Where is the last installment of the Wilson Staff story. I was hopeful I could finish this read today. Great job so far.

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      TwoSolitudes

      9 years ago

      It was specific, but I am not sure I would call Cleveland’s response ‘legitimate’. No, but you can test later stuff individually?

      Can I assume you will be testing the CG Black anyway as well? The first version was a pretty great driver.

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      More than a few are way over the top analyzing this testing procedure. They are not putting a man on the moon here. It’s not a perfect world and certainly not a perfect test. Close to perfect tesing would be cost prohibitive. MGS is doing the best they can under difficult circumstances. The only reason Geek submits is to support MGS….regardless how we finish. We do not stop supporting MGS because of where we finish like most or some that have been mentioned. If one doesn’t like the results…then don’t submit your product to begin with. The truth is of some that were mentioned and some of you wondered where they are?…Well, they just didn’t do well quite frankly and now they are making all kinds of excuses and crying the blues. And some are not even original designs…… it’s existing tooling with their ‘spin’ and cosmetics attached to it! So, bottomline is take it fo what it is…a fair and unbiased test by MGS and TC. WE LIKE IT!

      http://www.geekgolf.com

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      McaseyM

      9 years ago

      I may have missed it when looking at last year’s tests, but I am wondering how you will account for all of the different variations of weight placement and loft settings on these hyper-adjustable drivers? Is each golfer fit to each club by an independent fitter, do they adjust the club themselves or are they all set to neutral?
      I like that you’re using a uniform ball ( and damn good one at that), along with ideal indoor facilities with new monitors to equalize the setting. Like most everyone else, I am very excited for the results to see how some of the smaller companies stack up against the bigger ones. I’m pulling for mizuno and cobra (the clubs I bag myself,) after seeing your articles on them over the last months.

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      Blade

      9 years ago

      Dude, c’mon…. Independent fitter? Every variable accounted for? Be realistic. The test gives you some data to have an idea what to expect out of clubs you would buy off the rack. That’s a starting point to help you narrow down what you might want to try and then go from there. It’s not a double blind scientific conclusion that will tell you definitely what’s best for you. Don’t try to make it something it’s not and then complain that it’s not what you think it should be. Take it for what it is. And BTW, what it is, is better and more comprehensive than what anyone else is doing.

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      McaseyM

      9 years ago

      Holy crap man, CTFD & TCP ( sorry, couldn’t help myself). I see I could have worded it better to ask if/how they determine the driver’s setting, but it wasn’t meant as any type of knock on the test or the parameters. I’m not looking for this to be the end all be all of testing and I know it’s light years ahead of what the bigger publications do. I do use these tests to help narrow down options, it’s how I ended up with my current set up during a fitting.
      When mizuno has 10 settings per loft, cobra fly z+ has 2, R15 has tons now with 2 sliding weights, along with the multitude of options on the other drivers as well, it makes a difference.
      I know that fitting each player to each club would be ridiculous in both time and effort, but if you set all to neutral versus a higher draw or lower fade setting, it changes how it performs.
      In closing, the answer could be: ” we set them to the players’ preferred flight” or ” we set them to X, Y, or Z” or ” we flip a coin”. I know its not a double blind randomized controlled trial, it’s humans hitting golf balls, an imperfect art. In any case, I think it’s a question worth asking without you having to get all hot and bothered and trying to put me down or look foolish.
      BTW- if you don’t think an OEM fitter wouldn’t bias the settings to improve their clubs over another then keep trusting the launch monitor at GG when you carry it 320.

      McaseyM

      9 years ago

      yeah, that last BTW by me was pointless and irrelevant to the converstation

      muscleback

      9 years ago

      “is better and more comprehensive than what anyone else is doing.”

      you got that right!

      Henry Mazzeo

      9 years ago

      I see club head’s are up to D6 weight. Long time ago I had a E1 driver, it was a taylormade and I loved it.

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      Henry Mazzeo

      9 years ago

      good luck with all the tests

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      Juan L. Furquet

      9 years ago

      Any chance to test the Ryoma Maxima D-1? Longest and straightest driver I have ever hit.

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      Regis

      9 years ago

      The test , as stated, is designed to pretty much test clubs off the rack. Now, I consider myself in the top 10% of golfers in terms of overall enthusiasm and knowledge of equipment (and in a much, much, much lower percentile in terms of ability) . I know there is a Japanese market and I have visited the Tour Spec site on occasion but I’d never heard of the Ryoma Maxima. (starts at $800-head only by the way). Same retort for those pushing Wishon (which I am familiar with). Essentially you are fans of Wishon or Japanese custom drivers and you want to expand the test to see how your custom made missile launcher compares to the stock OEM’s.. It’s not the purpose of the test and if you really are curious go to a big box store and test your current stallion against the newer off the rack entries and you can always ( and probably will) post your personal results when MGS’s results are published a couple of months from now..
      The great majority of golfers can’t be convinced to get fit, even statically. They buy off the rack, maybe after a demo or a friends recommendation, but that’s it. And that is where and to whom this test is targeted.

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      Chris C

      9 years ago

      It is going to be a long 3 months waiting for the results. In the meantime, could you provide additional information regarding your fitters and the depth of the proposed fittings. Finally, I would like to join in the request of a prior poster to have your fitters measure the specs of the submitted equipment. I believe that such information would enhance our understanding of your test results while, at the same time, shedding some light on the relative QC capacities of the various OEMs. Again, thank you for your efforts.

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      Plaidjacket

      9 years ago

      I’d really like to see the same rigid testing done for companies like Tom Wishon and other legit (and perhaps better) custom club designs. Irons and drivers, etc. The golf world isn’t just about the BIG retail mega companies ya know.

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      Chal

      9 years ago

      I guess I am having a very hard time understanding the point of your post. Are you trying to make yourself look like an imbecile. You do realize that a vast majority of the readers on here want this test and don’t understand why a driver manufacturer won’t pony up product themselves. You realize that they could test any shaft you offer had you actaully had the nerve to stand behind your product and offer it. I am glad that mygolfspy is taking any means necessary to get your driver and then review it. I wonder how terrified you actually are of where your club will rate in this test. Kudos to mygolfspy for getting this club.

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      Chal

      9 years ago

      Guess the guy who owns Bombtech or whatever the heck it is decided to delete his post. Too bad… Would have been nice for everyone to see. What a Wuss.

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      Taylor

      9 years ago

      Could you guys also compare this years winners to last years?

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      Large chris

      9 years ago

      This has been asked a few times the past couple of years but MGS doesn’t reply on it, so I suspect unfortunately the answer is no…

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      mr_divots

      9 years ago

      I think you guys could have gone out and purchased the excluded clubs without making a grand stink about it. “We’re currently pursuing other means to procure these clubs.” It looks very poor form to get so much PROVIDED to you for your testing only to turn around and call out a couple companies, and the obviously thinly-veiled intimations that they are “afraid” of the results.

      And its ironic you guys have blog posts about the ever-increasing costs of clubs. Look in the mirror. The more that’s provided, the more consumers have to pick up the slack for these tabs. It doesn’t materialize out of thin air. So you’re welcome from all of us, MGS. Then you have the nerve to put your paypal hand out besides? That’s bordering on pathetic.

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      Putra

      9 years ago

      I’m struggling to find any point of view where “mr_divots” makes sense. Either he’s incompetent or he’s a troll.

      This test is providing a service for us readers. Lots of us WANT the results of this test, and we accept the test parameters because we believe it’ll provide US with good info.

      We’re NOT offended by requests for donations to help with the tests. That’s just normal. When we do donate, it’s completely voluntary and it’s because we TRUST MGS to provide us as accurate results as possible.

      Yes, I DO want to know who chose not to participate. I want to know their reasons and I want their clubs tested anyway. And yes, I think people who choose not to participate in a contest usually are “afraid” to lose or have nothing to gain.

      As far as I know, MGS understands their readership and is doing a great job at providing us with a great yearly event.

      “mr_divots” and his ilk seems to be focused on… nothing useful. Their arguments against this test and methodology are pretty illogical, and to be honest I find them pathetic.

      That’s my 2 cents. I usually ignore trolls, but I do hate people who try to bring down others who are providing a valued service.

      Can’t wait for the results!

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      Blade

      9 years ago

      You nailed him alright. He’s been a troll every time he shows up. His ramblings have always been nonsense lacking intelligence. But no way to filter out all the rubbish on an open forum. Some people come around to stir the pot for no reason other than to see if they can piss people off, nothing productive to contribute. He’s definitely one of the worst. He must be miserable and bored in his mom’s basement again.

      AWOL

      9 years ago

      Mr_divots, since you hate MGS so much and think they are pathetic, how about you do us all a favor and not bother posting anything anymore. Your comments are blind and moronic. I think i have peanuts in my shit that have more constructive things to say than you.

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      Eric

      9 years ago

      Seriously Mike?…..hopefully Santa brought you a brain for Christmas. I think it is great that you guys are including even the brands that are declining to participate. That is the one thing that was missing from last years test. I am really looking forward to this years test with all the great new offerings available.

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      Mike

      9 years ago

      How can you have an official ball sponsor and say you aren’t taking anything from OEMs. Last year, everyone said you had a deal with Taylormade and guess who won?

      Please tell me the actual MyGolfSpy employees are not in the testing.. Because you might as well throw this in the garbage.

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      Mike – Be careful. It’s one thing to have an opinion, it’s quite another to state things as fact (as you have) when they’re anything but.

      “everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts”.

      We have always said we don’t take advertising dollars from big OEMs. We have always relied on them to provide product, and in this case Bridgestone is providing PRODUCT and not a single thing more. The ball has always been tricky for us…how do we leverage a tour quality ball without compromising what we do. Given market shares, that basically rules out Titleist, Callaway, and TaylorMade. Bridgestone is on a 2-3 year release cycle for clubs, and their market share in every club category is listed under other.

      As for TaylorMade…I’m not sure where you got your info, but you are wrong. Period. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. We’ve never had any deal with TaylorMade, and you’ll find no record of us other saying otherwise. You are 100% factually inaccurate.

      And yes, I will, health permitting, be taking part in this test just as I have every other. 1 MGS employee out of 20 testers. The editor for an independent 3rd party taking part in an independent 3rd party test invalidates that 3rd party test. Sure…. Again 1 out of 20, and I’m not sure if you’ve ever tried to bias your golf swing for a particular 1 of 30 drivers, but I’d be willing to bet it’d be pretty difficult to do.

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      Blade

      9 years ago

      Wow dude. Open your mouth and stick both your feet in why don’t you? Absolutely clueless….

      An MGS employee involved in the testing invalidates the test?! I guess it could if MGS BUILT GOLF CLUBS!!! Otherwise, that’s what they do! Review golf clubs! Wow, you’re about as sharp as a beach ball aren’t you?
      Poor guy.

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      AWOL

      9 years ago

      Mike, the Taylormade SLDR didn’t just win on this site, it won across the board at multiple review sites and magazine. Its funny how you think TMags pockets are so deep that they are not only going to pay every individual little site that does reviews and pay all 300+ tour professionals to play their driver. Wow, you must think they own the world. I bet if you saw Obama playing a TMag club you’d say they are paying him too. What about Mark Crossfield and Rich Shiels on You Tube, TMag must be paying them too. You type of people drive me crazy. Just because you hate a company you think there is no way that company could be the best at it. “If it doesnt work for me than it wont work for anyone” type of mentality. If you are wondering im a Ping guy but when i re-did my last set, guess what? Taylormade out performed all the other clubs so i bagged them. I guess i should tell you that Taylormade paid this 12hcp 1 million to sport their clubs. You know…..because they pay everyone off. Grow up and pull your head out of your ass.

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      markb

      9 years ago

      Does it really matter which ball is used as long as all the balls are the same for all testers and clubs?

      I think not. Bridgestone makes fine balls, I’m cool with using them. I believe you used the fine Wilson Staff FG Tour ball for some putter testing earlier in the year. Spread the love around, that’s fair.

      SactoMike

      9 years ago

      Calleway got their panties in a wad because the Big Bertha Alpha didn’t perform well last year and when they complained publicly about the validity of the testing Tony called them out on it by reminding them that they thought it was just fine when the same testing parameters landed their 3 wood in first place. This with MGS stating in the test that they only had a what was it? A 9 degree head available at testing time and that if there had been higher loft heads available it probably would have done better. I suppose that calling them out on the release of multiple new drivers in a short time span after stating in an interview that they “would never do something like that” pissed them off too. Sour grapes and as far as I’m concerned life’s tough. Tehy don’t want to participate and be held up to ridicule for doing it so be it.

      Titleist? well they are Titleist. Need to “protect the brand.” I suppose It’s not like they are Scotty Cameron not wanting to participate because if they win everyone expects them to and if they don’t it’s a disaster. Again, so what?
      We shouldn’t be using these tests as the sole reason to buy a new club. It’s just a guide and entertaining to read. After all what works for you doesn’t necessarily work for me.

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      Joe Golfer

      9 years ago

      I wonder about the clubs that will be sent for testing directly from the big name manufacturers, as opposed to those purchased “off the rack”.
      Yes, we all know there are limits to things like C.O.R. and Characteristic Time (the current standard factor).
      According to the rules, The characteristic time of the clubhead shall not be greater than 239 µs. A maximum test tolerance of 18 µs is associated with this test. Therefore a maximum characteristic time of 257 us. or units, is allowed.
      If an OEM sent a RANDOM club to be tested (like an off the rack club), it might fall less than 239 or more than, as long as it was still legal.
      I’m guessing that every major OEM is going to pre-test EVERY driver clubhead that they send to MGS, so that they are getting the maximum allowable out of each driver.
      Those driver faces will be closer to the standard deviation allowable 257 rather than the legal limit of 239, making them have a hotter face and possibly a slight distance advantage.
      That means that if a driver exceeds the supposed 239 limit, but still falls within the allowable improvement deviation up to 257, they will be sending those “hot” drivers for testing instead of a random one.
      Yes, the drivers they send will still be “technically legal”, as they will fall within the allowable upward deviation above the 239 us Characteristic Time, but I’m betting they’ll all be at the high end of the scale.
      And they’ll be making sure the loft specs are optimum as well.
      MGS itself has done studies showing that driver clubheads are generally quite off on their loft specs. http://mygolfspy.com/mygolfspy-labs-the-worst-kept-secret-in-golf/#comment-127087 We likely won’t be seeing that on drivers sent directly by the company itself, but we likely would on random “off the rack” drivers.
      It’s too bad that every single driver tested couldn’t simply be one purchased off the rack, as this would disallow any attempts by the big OEM’s to try to rig the results in their favor.

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      SactoMike

      9 years ago

      Sure, let’s see 15 companies most with at least 2 heads more likely three at an ave of lets say $300 per (probably more but lets be conservative.) So 300 times 30…..gee only $9,000. No problem you gonna cut a check? MGS is like everyone else that does reviews, including by the way consumer reports. They get the product for free because it’s cost prohibitive to buy it all. Relax dude, you really think that for the average golfer, which the testers are that a Hot, albeit legal” driver is really going to make that much of a difference? It might if you are a tour pro but those guys aren’t playing anything even remotely like an “off the rack” driver.

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      Joe Golfer

      9 years ago

      SactoMike, I never said it was feasible for MGS to spend the money to get all the product.
      I simply said it was too bad that they couldn’t, as then the test would be more fair.
      And yes, the average golfer may see a difference in yardage with a hot driver.
      Considering these tests often have minimal differences in yardage, and one is ranked thusly, it could sway the rankings in favor of the big OEM that made sure they sent their drivers with the hottest faces.
      Lee Trevino was never a big slugger on tour, but he always said that he’d test several drivers, and he could always tell which one had the “hot face”.

      TConom

      9 years ago

      Is this test unbiased? I’ve twice participated in ‘testing’ where I felt there was no influence by the brand name of the product being tested. Once it was golf club (irons)…after completing the fitting process I was given 4 irons with all identifiers removed or covered. Went to range and hit 40-50 balls with each one. One iron greatly outperformed all the others (imo) and when I returned to fitter I was told it was a Miura. Second test…I was paid to provide opinion on several parameters by new/not yet produced automobiles from several manufacturers. All evidence of brand was removed or covered. About 50 reviewers there…and learned that there was definite preference for one of the manufacturers. I hope GolfSpy considers the same approach.

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      Don’t think we haven’t thought about it, but this is a classic perfect world scenario. Anytime you start adding things to cover, or pulling things off drivers you’re going to fundamentally alter the design specs. In most cases obscuring cosmetics won’t make an appreciable difference, but unless you’re testing prototypes that nobody knows anything about, your suggestion simply isn’t possible.

      You can’t obscure PING’s Turbulators without performance indications. Should we remove Cobra’s Flip Zone weight, The R15’s sliding weights? Aeroburners distinctive sole can’t be altered, Bombtech’s either. Nike’s Cavity. With irons it’s possible (although I’d be leery about performance implications in some cases), with drivers…even if we stripped everything down to a raw finish, nearly everything in our test has some sort of distinctive identifier.

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      Giles

      9 years ago

      I find it absurd you would even write about a company who did or did not want to write a review. In a previous life I was a journalist. Any goo reviewer of technology should be buying a product to review off of the shelf. it isn’t news that a company didn’t want to participate. It is news that you rely so heavily on a manufacturer to provide either permission or a product to review it.

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      Ahhh the good ol’ days, when people pooped in wooden shacks and read magazines and newspapers that they actually paid for.

      So here we are again…perfect world scenario, and absolutely we’d one day love to be where Consumer Reports is, but ours is not an industry where consumers pay for content. Look at Golf Digest…what percentage of their subscriptions are paid vs. those that came free with any number of golf products. We have 500,000 monthly readers, apart from a few people who offer modest recurring monthly donations, we don’t have any paid subscribers. The overwhelming majority of the 500K don’t donate, and access 100% of our content, including driver tests, for free.

      This is how the world works in 2014.

      I’m not sure what industry you covered, but NOBODY in the golf industry pays for what they test…especially when you test in the volume we do. Everything sent in for Golf Digest’s Hot List…guess what…paid for by manufactures. Other industries…CNET…how do you think that works? Yeah…those guys at Gear Patrol…Car and Driver…they’re buying cars out of pocket. Must be a bunch of hacks, I guess.

      Your “Any Goo[d] Reviewer” comment is a total fallacy, and it belittles everyone who works hard at it.

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      Duncan C

      9 years ago

      No invite to Wishon?

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      labillyboy

      9 years ago

      I really enjoy reading all the reviews here and other places, but until I have a stick in my hands, set up like I want it, I won’t be buying it on a leap of faith. It has to work for me, with my swing, in my hands. It would be great if one of your 20 testers matched my swing exactly and had all the same opinions on feel, look, ball flight, strategy so I could just read the rating and follow what he liked, but that is pretty unlikely.

      I’m still using a 3 year old Razrhawk Tour with an Ahina shaft in it… I hit it plenty far enough and with 3 years of experience with it I can get it to do what I want most of the time. I gave up the annual ritual of a driver change and the extra 5 feet of distance and my driving has improved a lot.

      Never having been brand loyal, my bag has Adams, Titleist, Callaway and Cleveland in it. Past drivers from Taylormade, Titleist, Cleveland, even a Hogan or two. My current driver is the first Callaway of any kind I have owned, it may be the shaft that really made it mine. Brands are just businesses run by human beings who make errors in judgement all the time, sticking to a particular logo will land you with those mistakes on a regular basis.

      Since I don’t own any off the rack clubs (except for an Adams hybrid)… the results of these tests are essentially a starting point for me, they don’t sell me on the winner nor do they exclude a loser but give me ideas about what I will test for myself. Even though I am happy with my driver I’ll still read the article…

      Last, but most important, I really want to see a golf bag test that identifies the highest capacity to carry beer… the sole criteria I used to buy my Callaway cart bag… (holds a dozen and ice). I assume every golf bag can hold 14 clubs, balls, tees, fits on the back of a cart or can be carried… but can they slake the thirst of a foursome in a summer heat?

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      Hank

      9 years ago

      It looks to me like the golf companies’ research oriented to selling the sizzle, not the substance. I am 70 years old and have shrunk to 5’6″, and I don’t need a 45″-46″ driver shaft, nor a 460cc head. I need 43″-44″ shaft and a smaller, 2 wood sized head. The ‘one-size-fits-all” drivers fit only a few well. A 380cc-420cc club head would look a lot more hittable at the shorter shaft length, and the sweet spot could be made only a little smaller than on a 460cc club head. With the shorter shaft, the smaller sweet spot would still be more than adequate.

      I shortened my driver from 45.5″: to 44″ and hit it as far and a lot more accurately. Golf is getting fun again. I am looking forward to getting a 440cc head to replace my 460cc head. I wish I could find something around 400cc. Nothing is available, even from clubfitters using aftermarket heads.

      It would be interesting if you would take the top 5 drivers from your study, and have the testers try them with varying length shafts and measure the differences in distance and accuracy. My guess is the distance difference would be marginal and the accuracy better. Possibly break the results down by handicap, age.

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      andrew

      9 years ago

      the Taylormade sldr mini driver and new ping rapture fairway wood come to mind…

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      AWOL

      9 years ago

      Awesome MGS. Im glad to see you include Callaway and Titleist. Titleist i wasnt surprised to see them decline but Callaway??? I guess this shows why i dont ever buy their stuff. With their recent adoption of TMag business model that hasnt worked i really hope Callaway gets their a$$ handed to them in the test. Titleist 915 is awesome so it will only strengthen their claims. But Callaway has a lot of fluff

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      kurt kruithof

      9 years ago

      Did you check with Krank? Test their standard (not long drive models).

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      Steve Almo

      9 years ago

      LOL! Amazing!

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      M.C

      9 years ago

      I love the fact that you are basically telling Callaway and Titleist to piss off that made my Christmas so much more happier thank you. Only club I am really wanting to see the results on are the new Cobra drivers, I have last years Bio Cell and with a new shaft in it I love it so seeing a possible improvement is exciting. Keep up the great work guys always look forwatd to what you discover.

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      Large chris

      9 years ago

      Hoping you do some some CoR checking on the product manufacturers are sending you? Should be pretty easy, bounce a ball off the club face and measure the height it rebounds to?

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      Zeke

      9 years ago

      Why no Wishon? I think it would be very interesting to put his new AHT driver in the mix and or a 919thi built at around 44 inches? Here is my vote to see some of Tom’s back in the mix!

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      Jim P

      9 years ago

      Love your site and your unbiased information. I never take any of the OEM BS seriously when reviewing their new clubs releases. I am looking to upgrade my current Krank Rage Driver with a new club this coming year and will be extremely interested in the test results. MGS really does a great service for the average golfer. Keep up the great work.

      Jim P

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      Daniel

      9 years ago

      Titleist and Ping all the way no matter what

      Taylormade and Taylormade users = Donkeys

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      What is wrong with Callaway..Thanks for still going ahead
      Already excited..
      Hey guys before the test.. any anticipation from what you use..now

      Are you convinced your driver would make the top list..

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      Hawkeye Jones

      9 years ago

      Love the site, first of all.

      I have an BB Alpha 815 DBD built to specs for me and it’s out performing the TaylorMade SLDR 430 TP that I played last year. So, I’d imagine that if the club is fit properly for the person using it, Callaway has nothing to worry about with this test.

      It is disconcerting that they don’t want to participate, but I certainly can understand their point given the shade thrown Callaway’s way on the site regarding their business model.

      It’s going to be a great test and I am looking forward to the results.

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      Joe Golfer

      9 years ago

      I look forward to this.
      It is pretty amazing that you can actually get 20 testers to show up at the same time and same place for this big test.
      I’m glad that everyone is using the same golf ball this time, and that they will be fitted to a club that optimally fits their game as far as loft and flex, etc.
      I do hope that everyone is also doing the test under the exact same playing conditions: wind direction, weather temp, wind speed, fairway rollout, and so on, so that everything tested is apples to apples.

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      Blade

      9 years ago

      Climate controlled indoors. I would call that exact same playing conditions.

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      Joe Golfer

      9 years ago

      Glad to hear it. The test conditions weren’t specified, unless I accidentally glossed over them in the article.

      Peter deem

      9 years ago

      Just wondering if you’ve ever tested drivers with an Iron Byron and then compared those results with human testers?
      Thanks

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      markb

      9 years ago

      Gotta say that the parameters of this year’s test look improved all the way around. I think you’ve made a wise decision in separating the pro heads from the joe hacker heads. Recent tests I’ve followed have shown that many joe hackers get astonishing results from certain heads made just for them, but they fail to see fireworks with the tall faced dead spinning sticks. This is a good decision.

      I also can’t fault any of the OEM’s who have decided to bow out. It doesn’t make sense for Adams, but Taylormade is coming to the party. Ditto for Cleveland, but watch out for those sneaky Srixon drivers that have been turning heads! Titleist is just being consistent, even though this year they may have a winner.

      That leaves Callaway. Sure, there has been a bunch of Callaway bashing on MGS this year (not unjustified IMO). But I think they ain’t entering a horse this time because they don’t have one that can go the distance. Maybe the V series in the Joe Hacker category, but the 815 will pull up lame and it’s better not to focus on them.

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      JV

      9 years ago

      Let me join the chorus of those applauding you for including those who would rather not participate. I always felt like it was an incomplete test when you didn’t have all the major brands going head-to-head. Sometimes it’s a key marketing move to not participate, which allows fans to give their chosen brand the benefit of the doubt. Plus, I love you forcing the smaller brands to put their clubs up against their giant-killer claims. Looking forward to the results.

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      Gordon

      9 years ago

      MGS…… AWESOME!!!

      Pumped as always guys. Looking forward to this!!!!

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      Howie

      9 years ago

      As we say in Australia “Good on–yah” for including Callaway and Titleist. The proof of the pudding is in the testing not the marketing. I have gained 10 to fifteen yards for nearly 20 years now so no question about it all my drives now are in excess of 350 yards.

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      Harv

      9 years ago

      I think you must have pissed Callaway off when your previously proved that their new longer than ever irons were a result of a longer shaft and decreased loft. So, keep up the good work by providing the consumers and retailers the information we want. Hopefully in years to come, you’ll be able to include more brands from Japan such as Honma, S-Yard, PRGR, Maruman, etc.

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      SPY ZINGER

      9 years ago

      I’m going to be completely honest here, I had to look up petulant.

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      Blade

      9 years ago

      Haha! Did the definition say, “See definition of mr divots.”?

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      Darren Tan

      9 years ago

      I’m looking forward to this Most Wanted test although it’s hard for me to change because I just got a Bio Cell off the last test. Ditto for my new Ketsch from the putter Most Wanted as well.
      Except for my old 5 wood, everything else has been procured based on initial MGS reviews and subsequent testing from me.
      I’ve already donated earlier but if funds allow I’ll click on that button again.

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      DaveMac

      9 years ago

      Congratulations on what promises to be a colossal test! If you are up for a few suggestions, since you don’t mind ruffling a few feathers, how about adding the winners from the last two years, it would provide a comparison reference for how much extra performance is available for 2015 plus give us launch monitor data using the GC2 (new test protocol data) for the previous winners.
      There has been a lot of Internet chatter about driver strike quality being the real differentiator, when it comes to driver performance, if you have access to the HMT unit, it would be really insightful, if you would do an beyond the numbers article showing best and worse impact patterns for your twenty testers.

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      Adam

      9 years ago

      I dont know if its the tests, the articles, the posts, or the controversy but one this is for certain… this test is one of the highlights of my whole year and It just keeps getting better.

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      kj

      9 years ago

      Great site guys.
      Also here in Europe we read all this with interest.
      About the driver test, If brands do not want to participate, fine.
      But no one can stop you testing. It’s a free world.
      I really look forward to the results.
      Keep on doing a great job.

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      blstrong (SeeRed)

      9 years ago

      Rock on, MGS. This just gets better every year. 20 testers now? Nothing like three times the work for the data cruncher(s), eh?

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      Not gonna lie…there are parts of this test I’m looking forward to less than others. On the plus side, the data comes out of the Foresight GC2 much (much, much) cleaner than it did with the old monitor, so that should help alleviate some of the headaches.

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      barry

      9 years ago

      Where’s the yonex ezone xp driver?? best driver i’ve had in years!!!!

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      Blitz

      9 years ago

      No Krank Drivers?

      I used to own a Rage driver, and it was as good or better than anything else made by anyone else.

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      SkipThisAd

      9 years ago

      This test is going to Rock!! with Awesome Bridgestone golf balls too.
      I’m very disapointed in Titleist & Callaway for Chicken out.
      Great Job once again MyGolfSpy !!

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      brian huston

      9 years ago

      they forgot the best driver made and most forgiving . Krank formula 5. I have hit every major driver out there, none even came close. none ! Forged is everything!

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      James

      9 years ago

      Read all the comments. They tested Krank last year and it was a fail!

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      Seth

      9 years ago

      I appreciate the effort to bring all of the clubs to the test. I have a concern that I haven’t seen raised yet. If you are willing to purchase these clubs, why would any manufacturer feel they should send the equipment free? Doesn’t this justify last year’s complaints from the OEM’s about not sending free equipment?

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      MrSinister

      9 years ago

      Not speaking for anyone but my own company I believe the advertisement from this test alone pays for the cost of the equipment we send. Plus I’d rather send them stuff from my shop than bet on something they pulled off eBay. Not saying I would like a little $$$ but it’s a small price to pay.

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      mr_divots

      9 years ago

      You can’t blackmail companies into participating. Maybe they don’t like your tone and tactics in general? You guys claim to be all “independent” but when the free gear flow doesn’t come like you want, time to get petulant? Sad. Flame suit on for the inevitable.

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      Seth

      9 years ago

      mr_divots,
      I would be very interested to see if your comment came from Carlsbad, CA or maybe Fairhaven, MA. You are incorrectly assuming that the issue is free equipment. As I understand it, that has been the chief complaint of the folks from the major OEM’s that have refused to participate in the past. The issue is transparency and accountability. Companies that choose to participate in this testing are willing to have accountability to their consumers and transparency in their advertising. By extension, the companies that choose not to are not willing to subject themselves or their products to this kind of fact checking. At a minimum (certainly in my mind), it creates the appearance of dishonesty and fear of performance failure. That is the issue, and since MGS represents us, I think a little petulance is called for.

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      I don’t think any rational person would characterize anything we’ve done as blackmail. The actual reality is that we had polite, I’d even call them cordial discussions with representatives of both Callaway and Titleist. Ultimately each made a business decision not to participate. We understand and respect that. We very clearly explained that is our preference to work with them, but given each’s position in the market, not having them in our test is not an option. Just as we respect their decisions, I believe both companies understand and respect our decision to do what we need to procure their gear.

      Perhaps you actually believe that’s petulant, but I’d wager that if you spoke with those involved in the other end of those conversations, you wouldn’t find anyone who agrees with your assessment.

      Here’s reality again. Callaway is the #2 selling driver company in golf. My guess is that when 2014 wraps up, Titleist will rank #5 overall and will have plenty of momentum going into 2015. We’re talking about two of the largest driver manufacturers in the game. To exclude them for any reason would be short-changing our readers.

      I should add that both companies were given assurances that we would make every effort to properly fit our testers (the same as we would for any other participants). I think you’d find that both Callaway and Titleist take us at our word, and certainly the volume of equipment we’ve purchased from those manufacturers validates that statement.

      You are absolutely correct about one thing…Some don’t always like the tone here. That’s absolutely fair. We’re good with that. Hell, you can be certain that plenty of those who choose to work with us on the driver test don’t always appreciate the tone either. At the end of the day, everyone involved in these conversations understands it’s just business.

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      Dennis

      9 years ago

      I can see where the comment is coming from. A true report would not have mentioned anything about where the drivers are coming from or who did or didn’t opt in. There is no reason for that other than to say look at us, we are going above and beyond.

      I get the reasoning from the companies. Just as I get the reasoning for you including them. But the entire goal of this article was to call some out for no reason. Journalism 101 says disregard this stuff, and post the results. The goal is to call attention, and I get that, but its negative attention for no reason other than a rally cry.

      AWOL

      9 years ago

      Dude….Journalism 101 who the hell are you Walter Cronkite. Last i check the news is full of BS and skewed views. As long as networks get their ratings they dont care if they are biased or not. Politicians get called out all the time and all these morning debates someone is getting called out all the time. You want journalism 101.. how about freedom of the press. Try Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Freedom of Speech. If MGS wants to point out the big boys and put them on the spot then they should be allowed to. Isnt that what journalism is all about. What would happen if we didnt call out all the corrupt bastards in this world because we didnt want to hurt their feelings…please!

      Blade

      9 years ago

      Petulant because they will procure the clubs without the OEM handing them over? Do you even know what that word means? Petulant is probably the best word to describe 80% of your comments on the forum to date!

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      Blade

      9 years ago

      Including this one BTW.

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      Dave S

      9 years ago

      You do realize that publicly releasing the names of companies who declined to participate and then saying they’re going to test them anyway does not meet the definition of blackmail, right?

      Blackmail would be if – behind the scenes – MGS when to Callaway/Titleist and told them “We’re going to tell the golfing world that you were too afraid to participate in our testing and belittle you for all your customers to see, if you don’t give in and provide us with equipment to test”.

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      Chad

      9 years ago

      I love what you guys are doing and look forward to your articles. For example, I cut 1.5″ off my driver and have immense success driving the ball since then. I also loved the article on putter grip sizes.

      I do have one question. Are you guys using statistically correct testing methods? I am by no means a statistician, but I did take a couple stats classes in grad school and I remember things like n = 10 is ok, but n = 30 is a much more preferable sample size.

      I’m also a willing donor. I’d just like to hear that you are testing things with a high degree of sophistication. Thanks and I look forward to hearing about it.

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      Deon

      9 years ago

      Callaway might be concerned that an objective test might just ruin their positioning campaign of ” where will your distance come from ?”. The jewel in the crown could well be the V Series driver. This will naturally discredit the Big Bertha Alpha and the Big Bertha Alpha double diamond to a large degree resulting in a possible decline in sales for those models.

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      K Syrah

      9 years ago

      Frankly, I would trust the outcome of your tests on clubs that you have had to purchase from a retailer more than any tests on clubs where the OEM ships to you for testing. On more than one occasion, I have read about situations where the specs (lie, loft, etc.) on a store-bought club are significantly different than what the OEM advertises. My previous TaylorMade 10.5 degree driver actually turned out to be 12 degrees – with no adjustments to face angle on my part. By accepting clubs supplied by the OEM for testing, you allow the OEM to cherry pick their best clubs, not clubs representative of what they typically ship to retailers for sale to the general public. I know using store-bought clubs would drive up the cost of your testing, but it would also add to the value of the results for the consumer. It would be interesting if you also reported on the deviation from OEM specs for each store-bought club.

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      james

      9 years ago

      I understand all the club makers send drivers with an .094 COR face. JK

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      Joe Golfer

      9 years ago

      @KSyrah: You raise some excellent points.
      My Golf Spy one did an article about the deviation from standard lofts of various driver brands.
      Here’s the link to MGS own article: http://mygolfspy.com/mygolfspy-labs-the-worst-kept-secret-in-golf/#comment-127087
      If clicking it doesn’t work, just copy and paste it into your address bar.

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      Wolf

      9 years ago

      This test will put you in a difficult position: If the results for Titleist and Callaway are not at the top of the ladder, one could assume that you are making them pay for not complying with your request for “free” clubs.

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      Joe Golfer

      9 years ago

      In the past, the test results have generally been shown via a chart such as a Trackman chart.
      I doubt that a tester is going to “tank” his results simply because he may have heard that Callaway and Titleist won’t give out free test samples.
      And 20 testers is way, way better than 6 testers. Six was much too inadequate for realistic data.
      I can understand some of Callaway’s suspicions, as they have been reamed in some articles on the web, primarily for releasing too many drivers per year and for using a lot of hype in their advertising. Let’s face it, Callaway’s #HastagChad sure can pour on the hyperbole sometimes. He’s more than an executive with that company; he’s a pitchman who is incredibly protective of his product. He might feel that Callaway may not get a fair shake in this deal, based on past articles.

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      Justin

      9 years ago

      I really like that you’re increasing the number of testers; that’ll only help in the long run. I’d also be intrigued by testing against component brands.

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      Clintwc

      9 years ago

      Have six testers average over 110mph swing speed. Seven testers from 80-99mph, Seven from 100-110mph, Six average over 111mph.

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      Sully

      9 years ago

      Hey MGS! Sully here from BombTech Golf. Thanks for mentioning us, but our 9* and 12* aren’t manufactured yet. The 9 is in production and will be ready by spring.

      Thanks for the kind words again this year and for the great opportunity!

      Have a great test.

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      MrSinister

      9 years ago

      Screw it just send them the 10.5! In R,S, and x if you got it.

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      Sully

      9 years ago

      For high swing speed players the 10.5 will be too much loft. Just being transparent about that, hence the reason I designed and releasing a 9*. It would have been done earlier, but our 2 piece construction is expensive and requires a tooling for every loft.

      mygolfspy

      9 years ago

      #1 – I swing at 120 mph, I play a 10.5 at incredibly optimal numbers.

      #2 – We test what is offered to consumers at retail. You offer a 10.5 to consumers currently and since your launch.

      #3 – You allowed numerous other sites to test your 10.5 and publish those results in your marketing.

      Sounds like a 10.5 has been good enough for your customers. Also it does not look like only having that offering has stopped you from participating in other tests.

      Sully

      9 years ago

      #1 – I swing at 120 mph, I play a 10.5 at incredibly optimal numbers.
      #1A – Great. But it’s not a Grenade. And I am releasing a 9* for a reason. Golfer’s call me everyday and say they hit a 7.5* or 9* and hit it too high. I don’t recommend our 10.5 for them, but I do mention we are releasing a 9*. A number of golfer’s have moved from there 9 to our 10.5 but that doesn’t mean that is the right move for every golfer.

      #2 – We test what is offered to consumers at retail. You offer a 10.5 to consumers currently and since your launch.
      #2A – Right and our portfolio is not complete, hence my original comment.

      #3 – You allowed numerous other sites to test your 10.5 and publish those results in your marketing.
      #3A – Correct, none of them were golfers that required 9*. The ones that asked, we refused because we could not fit there needs.

      Sounds like a 10.5 has been good enough for your customers. Also it does not look like only having that offering has stopped you from participating in other tests.

      – SEE above answer.

      james

      9 years ago

      Sully… why not relent and let MGS test your 10.5 at swing speeds under 100mph? If they would do that…

      MrSinister

      9 years ago

      Well it sounds like your getting included whether you like it or not! Lol so I would recommend sending him something rather than him finding something on eBay. Control what you can and then just have faith in your product.

      james

      9 years ago

      Good job MyGolfSpy for including the reluctant brands. I do trust, with your integrity, you will not taint the testers by telling them the story of your invitation rejection. Let the best club win!

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      Regis

      9 years ago

      My entire bag and a large part of my basement bunker has been outfitted by following your reviews and recommendations. Any techie nut can find fault with any protocol used by any club analysis. I’m a 80-85 mph swing speed guy and I feel more than confident that I can sort through your data to make the correct choices in buying/demoing clubs to fit my game next season. The 330RX is a perfect all around ball choice. Thanks for all you do and Merry Christmas and happy New Year to all

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      Troy Sheaffer

      9 years ago

      Although I’ve been a Callaway guy for a number of years, I was disappointed to hear about their decision not to participate in the testing conducted by MyGolfSpy.

      I have enjoyed all the Callaway products I’ve used over the past 15 or so years, but am puzzled as to why they would not voluntarily participate?

      Thank you for the hard work all the staff at MGS has done for the golf community.

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      James V

      9 years ago

      Not sure why Callaway wouldn’t want to participate. I have the Big Bertha V Series Driver and it has out performed the G30, the 915, the Grenade, as well as the Non Conforming Romaro 460HX Gold in terms of distance & accuracy for me.

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      Dave

      9 years ago

      Thanks for the before hand notice of the test for 2015 equipment, truly I read your articles/emails and form my own opinions with the Golf Spy input, rarely are you way off, generally speaking Golf Spy is quite accurate, however I am set for next year with Callaway Apex cavity backs, Opti-force driver and 913 Hybrids and Taylormade Fontana putter so the read will be enjoyed but not acted upon. I truly do believe Callaway and Titleist make great clubs but the distance gains and accuracy for all brands has been nothing more than hype for over 10 years. I play to an 8 to 10 handi playing 2 nines a week so maybe not good enough to voice to much of an opinion, NONE of these clubs equal the marketing so I just make it part of the fun of playing newer, shiny clubs. It is disappointing my two favorite brands are not participating. Dave L.

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      Jerry

      9 years ago

      Excellent idea and looking forward to results.

      Question – how will you account the dynamics of the shafts? We know that shafts from different vendors will have different characteristics… one vendor’s “stiff” is another vendor’s “senior”.

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      Jerry – fundamentally the test is geared towards the off-the-rack purchaser. So we do test in off-the-rack (stock) configurations. That said, we do make every reasonable effort to provide the best fit from available inventory. If we have a guy who generally fits in a 10.5 regular, for example, and the numbers don’t look right – or we know ahead a time that there’s something atypical about the performance of a given head – we’ll make whatever adjustments we can (loft, flex, etc.) to get the numbers as good as they can be.

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      golfer4life

      9 years ago

      Ole Harry still has a wedgie from last year I guess? Who do you think the first person to plaster it over every possible media source will be if Calli comes out on top? haha
      Great move to test everything and remove doubt. Gotta say, that’s how big boys play!!! (we’ll just steal your ball before you can go home with it) lol Well done MGS
      G4L

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      GoldenDragon

      9 years ago

      wut…youse guys just want a too large a piece of the action, to make their product. help their products seem like we have to purchase them today before they run out…one timer runs, take it,,get it…or you will be left in the rough with none …lol send check to my email..PP..

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      Braden

      9 years ago

      Love it! Titleist always pulls this kind of stuff. The “elite” brand that they try to put forth. Callaway I don’t get unless they are still pissy about the whole image thing. If that is the case they need to get over it. No one likes a spoiled brat and to be honest their “brand” isn’t that strong.

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      drjacko

      9 years ago

      There are two reasons I can immediately think of.
      1) MGS ran some extremely critical pieces on Callaway this past 6 months and this is payback. And yes it DOES sound pissy until you realise a substantial focus was on the large number of ranges Callaway was putting out. And now MGS wants free samples?
      2) precisely because of the number of different ranges means that the one you’re setting up at least one of them to fail in a comparison test. Not all of them can be longest/most forgiving/ least dispersion. Quick, who was second and third in the Ping putter line after the Ketch? What about the one outside that?

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      Large chris

      9 years ago

      To be fair, and I have criticised this website for other subjects, the Callaway pieces were completely fair comment. The company’s marketing was absolutely shocking being unable to differentiate who should use the Xhot2, who should use the BB and Alpha etc. etc.
      Callaway can hardly complain if MGS picks one of their ‘longest ever drivers’ and it turns out to be the worst of their products.

      drjacko

      9 years ago

      Right on! But Callaway isn’t going to help MGS in the process. And its their right not to.
      Heck, Callaway already has plausible reason and denial. “Sorry MGS, based on your current thread of articles about the firm, I don’t think so.”
      I’d defend MGS right to print its current commentary. But I’d also defend Callaway’s current response. I have posted it before to no reply from the authors or editorial staff, in words to this effect: be critical all you want about the approach, Callaway has moved from poor second to close second to TM.

      Jim Lee

      9 years ago

      No Honma, Maruman, Fourteen, Yamaha? All Japanese brands of course. :D

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      Mike Honcho

      9 years ago

      and Yonex.

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      Jim

      9 years ago

      Yes, Yonex, Epon, Miura, and more.

      BryanF

      9 years ago

      I agree with everyone that it is great MGS is able to include those companies who declined but the most important part of this article is “Could we really scale from 6 testers to 20? Hell yes we can.” The testing techniques of MGS are fantastic but the size of tester pool has always left significant room for doubt. Expanding to 20 testers is going to significantly improve the accuracy of these tests and make it even harder for folks to dispute the MGS Most Wanted Driver. Well done!

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      Mbwa Kali Sana

      9 years ago

      For 99 per cent of GOLFERS ,the ball doesn’t make a différence ,it does when YOUR swing speed is WELL over 100 MPH ,whereas most GOLFERS swing an average 80 MPH .
      I agree of course to having one single ball for testing the Drivers .
      The other variable you don’t cover is the swing speed of the testers :what’s going to be the best Driver for Mr 110 MPH is not going to be what’s the best for Mr 80 MPH .
      That being said ,I’ve followed your recommandations the past two years and bought ( Apart from the putters where You’re 100% right ) the PING G25 then the PING G 30 :they where not top of the list but second best ,and they work beautifully for me ,though I’m over 80 ,butvstill play to a 7 Handicap .
      Keep going ,You’re doing a great work!

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      marshall

      9 years ago

      I wasn’t aware that Royal Collection had produced any new clubs since the JP104 line. The hybrids from that line are the best I’ve ever played. I’ll be interested to see what they submit.

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      Bill Salmon

      9 years ago

      Why Not test Krank Formula 5 Drivers Would be great to find out Facts not BS!

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      mygolfspy

      9 years ago

      We actually did test their most current driver in last years test. It did not perform well. That was the facts. No BS.

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      brian huston

      9 years ago

      my feeling to no body comes close as krank says if you make the driver why make a new one every year!!

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      Dave S

      9 years ago

      @brian huston what?

      Taylor

      9 years ago

      Wow! New lanch monitors, Bridgestone balls, and all brands!?! You guys have really done an amazing job. This is easily the best sight for my golfing needs

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      DougE

      9 years ago

      Sure would be interesting if, in an unbiased driver test, those manufacturers who did not want to be tested came out on top.

      Honestly Titleist just likes to protect their brand, which arguably is the biggest NAME in golf, with an image of standing above the rest. By including them, they will be perceived as more equal to the field, even if they were to come out on top in the end. They want their brand to be perceived as being a whole class level above everyone else. Being a brand-awareness professional, I totally get that.

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      Jeff

      9 years ago

      Love the test. I was wondering if the new Powerbilt driver being released this spring would be part of the test? Looking forward to seeing the results again this year!

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      Doug Ferreri

      9 years ago

      Since the test will use a standardized Bridgestone RX will MGS also use a standardized shaft? If not will they me the company’s choice?

      Doug Ferreri

      http://www.Paulbrtholy.com

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      Doug – we test stock configurations. What I tell the companies is that they’re free to send any configuration that I can walk into a golf shop and buy. What we don’t allow for is non-stock shaft upgrades…nobody gets to sneak an Oban into the mix, for example.

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      Justin

      9 years ago

      Too bad you guys can’t get Aldila or UST to send you some of their older shafts that cover a few profiles that would cover most golfers. Any of the NV series or the AXIVcore for example. Then I would think we would get a much better feel for the drivers performance and the numbers are more consistent.

      drjacko

      9 years ago

      But in designing a driver for the masses, the company is going to factor in the best shaft that will cover as many players as possible. I think the days are long gone that they design just the clubhead and stick on some shaft. And when average Joe buys club, swings it at a ball in the booth, it will be stock first and foremost.

      And I think that’s the flaw about the line of testing with standard shafts. You would just be testing the clubhead. MGS themselves pointed out that its a 50/50 efforts for clubhead/shaft.

      Thomas

      9 years ago

      Any configuration or as many configurations as they want? And will the data encompass that our 80MPH tester (how many do you have 20 of each?) used the 12 degree, R flex (stock) shaft, our 104 MPH testers were using…. Or maybe show data so you can see if you walk into the store as a 90MPH guy, this club gave us these results in 10.5 deg R/S/X flex: carry, roll, dispersion. Another way could be you spec the driver, we want everyone to hit 10.5 R flex…it is the most common. Then a sidebar on take 1 driver, have vendor send a set of variants and then chart how that driver performs in different configs for different swing types. Data, data and more data :-)

      Gene

      9 years ago

      I honestly believe you should purchase all the test equipment (off the shelf) so there is no chance of some/any special handling by the manufactures of test equipment sent.
      You could build the cost into the advertising customer base as part of the cost of business. It’s done everyday and by almost every manufacture I deal with.
      This way you can place a questionnaire to your readers what /who they would like to see tested.
      I believe you have a good list and have nothing to ad but other readers may. Again this is going forward.

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      Brian P.

      9 years ago

      I’m in. I’m happy to make a donation in order to have complete results. My hat is off to you for taking this won’t take no for an answer approach. I like the expanded testing format and I’m really looking forward to seeing the results.

      Merry Christmas guys.

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      Jerry

      9 years ago

      As a fairly new golfer I am shocked to see Callaway and Titleist decline to participate. Well, maybe shocked is a bit of an overstatement. More like flummoxed. There is no reason those companies could offer that would rinse this bad taste from my mouth. “Our reputation speaks for itself”? So you’re resting on your laurels? “Its not cost effective for us to send demo’s”. Really? So making your product available to a reputable site that many read to help sway their buying decisions isn’t worth the potential sales volume? Any answer they give sounds bad to me. I am investing in my first “new, fitted” set of irons and the Titleist AP1 were in the final 3 and I’ll be honest, their decision to not participate rubs me the wrong way. It smacks of “snobbery” to me.

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      Kyle Y

      9 years ago

      Wow! All brands regardless of how they feel about it, B330-RX balls, and more testers make me super excited for this year’s test results!

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      Sully

      9 years ago

      What lofts are required for the test?

      Reply

      Blade

      9 years ago

      No Krank? Is that just because of no new model?

      Reply

      Thomas McFadden

      9 years ago

      please consider adding golfworks and especially the maltby line of clubs and components to your tests. I find them to be excellent in quality. they are as good as anything in the business.

      Reply

      drjacko

      9 years ago

      The B330 is a family of balls that caters to various speeds. Will you be matching swing speeds to ball?

      And for all those guys hounding me for pointing out poor methodology in use of balls in the most wanted putter tests, including some of the writing staff, something must have clicked. Anyway, whatever makes the test more robust!

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      We gave considerable consideration to the idea of using different balls for different golfers, but ultimately everyone we discussed the subject with agreed that for a club test, it’s important to have the ball be a constant rather than yet another variable.

      Once we made that determination, we consulted with Bridgestone to learn which of their 330 balls they fit the greatest percentage of golfers into. It turns out that the answer to that question is B330-RX, and so that’s what we’ll be using.

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      Gil B.

      9 years ago

      I’m really excited to read the testing results after reading the use of the B330 RX. This is the ball I play all the time. Hopefully, having a ball that I use in the testing will reveal a mountain of info for me in my pursuit of the right driver for me and eliminate some without hitting them. I love Cleveland products but their line of drivers over the last few years were less than I expected from a performance perspective so I can’t wait to digest all the numbers from your testing. Thank you so much for your outstanding work. You’re what we weekend warriors need to simplify golf fact and fiction.

      Dave S

      9 years ago

      I like the idea of standardizing balls going forward, but I can’t help but see this as sort of a sponsorship / advertising-by-another-name situation with Bridgestone. I know you go out of your way to not accept ad dollars from the big OEMs, but isn’t Bridgestone sponsoring your MGSMW tests basically the same thing?

      I’m not saying this is bad… and there’s probably no way around it, but it just strikes me as talking out of both sides of your mouth (a little bit). Anyways, can’t wait for the test. Keep up the good work!

      drjacko

      9 years ago

      Dave, having struggled with this mightily when working this out in my head, and getting flak for posting it, I am going to put it to you that MGS needs a standard ball with some market share and tour presence. It also means accounting for similar profile of performance eg spin, compression, feel.

      That rules out the rocks.

      Now I am going to stick my neck on the line and point out that not only does Bridgestone have that, the series of balls in the B330 family is coherent and its ball fitting efforts are very prominent (see Tony’s note on Bridgestone data). And most importantly through those points, members of the B330 series offers enough for the non pro. Compare this with Titliest, Callaway and Srixon where they are pushing premium stuff while acknowledging that the lesser branches are probably better for the masses. Yes, I know Bridgestone has the e series but the pick of th B330x comes as no surprise.

      So if you had to pick a ball, I think this is the right call. At this point in time. Not some FG tour (ahem).

      shiddygolfer

      9 years ago

      I don’t know if any of you have tried an FG tour ball but if not you missed out. The previous generation fg tour x was outstanding. Having hit everything my only issue with either was after 5-6 holes I can cut them with a wedge. Similar to my pro v experience but the fg x was longer and really stopped well. I found similar performance with the penta TP but the TP feels far less tacky when handled. I’ve never been afraid to try different products and truly have been surprised at what’s seemed to work its way into the bag. Can’t wait for the review best of luck with the test guys……

      RoosterRedneck

      9 years ago

      I am not impressed with the B330 ball. It seems to be a little hard and no improvement in distance.I prefer the Wilson Staff FG ball. Less in price and a softer feel and goes just as far it not more so than the B330 and checks better on chip shots.

      MyBluC4

      9 years ago

      EXCELLENT!
      Love this site

      Reply

      Kenneth J (Tophand576)

      9 years ago

      Very glad to see that you decided to procure the clubs from brands that decided not to participate. I was curious last year when you didn’t do that, but kudos for the decision. I will be more interested to see if Titleist or Callaway perform well (which I suspect they might), will they use the results to market the products on social media after the fact. Can’t wait for the results. I plan to get custom fit for a new driver this year for the first time, so this may help me narrrow down a few choices.

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      MrSinister

      9 years ago

      Can’t wait to see the results! You did an awesome job last year and I’m excited to see you’ve done everything you can to make this year even better!

      Reply

      Dave S

      9 years ago

      When I read that Callaway and Titleist had declined, I got very mad! When I read that you were giving the big middle finger, I got very happy! Thanks for listening to readers (like myself) who asked you to include ALL brands regardless.

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      J

      9 years ago

      I absolutely LOVE the fact that those who declined will be included.

      I would like to donate as well but$10-15 is all i can do. Can you provide the paypal address so I can send that amount? Thanks

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      You can use the donate box at the bottom of the post. Just choose ‘other’ before you hit the Donate button.

      Thanks!

      Reply

      Don

      9 years ago

      I would have to say that this year’s ‘Most Wanted’ is one I am really looking forward to. Testing all the in demand brands? Thumbs up! Can’t wait for the results.

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      txgolfjunkie

      9 years ago

      I hope those Callaway boys are over their butt hurt from last year’s test. When will the test results be published?

      Reply

      Teaj

      9 years ago

      Not going to lie when I read that line “they don’t have a choice” it made me laugh. I can’t wait to hear the results as 2 drivers that are on my list to try are the 915 and the grenade as I am curious of Titleists new offerings and the hype behind them (most tour guys switched right away) and Bombtech because im curious how the little guys stack up to the big OEM’s

      Thanks for all the hard work (hard though it sounds like a lot of fun)

      Regards

      Teaj

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      brian huston

      9 years ago

      They don’t want to test KRANK , BOMB TECH OR BRUTE ,They will out preform all of major manufactures!

      Reply

      Jim V

      9 years ago

      LOL Brian Huston

      james

      9 years ago

      Brian, read all the comments. They tested Krank last year and it was a fail!

      Joe Golfer

      9 years ago

      I read the comment that Krank didn’t do well in testing last year.
      Admittedly, they’d be testing the same driver this year, but perhaps things would be different this year.
      Why? 20 testers instead of just 6 testers, so the results would be less subjective considering the data is more complete.
      Any way you look at it, Krank should be allowed to participate regardless of last year’s test results.
      I’ve never hit a Krank driver in my life, so I have no personal bias in favor of them.

      I wish they’d also test some component company drivers such as Tom Wishon Golf Technology. I have used their clubs, with good results. They are not a clone company, and their products seem to be highly regarded in the golfing community.
      They even have their own shafts, so one need not worry about them slipping in a $400 shaft into the competition.
      Wishon even writes articles at times for GolfWRX.com and Golf Digest.

      Dave S

      9 years ago

      If you’ve seen any of the MGS Most Wanted tests before, you’d know that there is absolutley zero subjectivity baked-in. It’s 100% objective and data-driven. Sure, 20 testers will give us a better answer than six, but statistically speaking, it’s very unlikely to change the fact that Krank just didn’t perform well across the board.

      Everyone like to think they know of that “secret” brand that no one is playing that would BLOW AWAY the big OEMs and their marketing hullabaloo… but sadly, most are misguided. The OEMs pour in millions of dollars in R&D a year to try to one-up the competition.

      Teaj

      9 years ago

      ok well im getting really excited now thanks Brian…. can’t wait to see where the Bombtech driver ends up in the list.

      Dave S

      9 years ago

      Not sure where all the excitement for Bombtech comes from… their Grenade driver is one of the ugliest things I’ve ever seen. Maybe it can perform, but I’d bet a lot of money i won’t make the top 5 in any category. It looks like a cheap, knock-off stamped out of some shady Chinese factory…

      Joe Golfer

      9 years ago

      @Dave S. As far as Krank, you may have noticed in my post that I said I had no bias regarding Krank, for or against, and that I was aware that they performed poorly in last year’s testing.
      I just think having 20 testers might make a difference.
      We’ll never know. It could fare better, it could fare even worse.
      If a drug company is testing a medication, would you rather have them test for side effects on just six people or on thousands. The more test results, the more accurate will be the findings.
      When MGS asked the major OEM’s how many testers they should use, they were told that six is woefully inadequate, according to their own article.
      If Krank did poorly last year, so be it. Just saying that this shouldn’t disqualify it from being re-tested.
      As for Bomb Tech, I’ve never tried one of those either, so I have no bias there either. Only seen them in photos and read reviews on golf websites.
      Could be great, could be all hype.
      That said, the comments about it being one of the ugliest things you’ve ever seen shouldn’t matter. Many have said the same thing about Nike drivers, whether the bright red Covert or the new driver in bright flashy yellow accents. And many have complained about companies putting out white drivers. And many have complained about how ugly it is for companies to put too much graphics on the crown of the driver.
      But this is a test about performance, not looks.
      If you look at the Bomb Tech from the top, you’ll notice that it looks rather bland. Only the sole is flashy. The crown is plain matte black, NO graphics, and it doesn’t even have an alignment aide.
      The guy who does reviews on the Sandtrap site (a reputable site) had a positive opinion of it. http://thesandtrap.com/b/clubs/bombtech_grenade_driver_review
      I think most folks realize that the vast majority of driver clubheads today are manufactured in foundries in China, and probably have been for over 20 years now, including the ones from the big brand name OEM companies.
      Just because it is a recent start up doesn’t mean they are making them in some cheap knock-off factory.
      You yourself said in one forum post that there is “zero subjectivity baked-in”, but your opinion of Bomb Tech sure sounds subjective, and I would imagine that if you were one of the testers, that would affect your performance subconsciously, even though you’d be trying your best physically.
      After all, they always say that a club must look good to you when you address the ball in order for it to work well for you. Like it or not, looks do count. If a putter looks ugly to a person, they’ll probably putt worse with it. This isn’t my personal opinion. This is time worn advise which most of us have heard from various sources.
      Tom Wishon Golf Technology is a small component company, but they emphasize that their clubheads are made to high standards at a reputable factory (yes, it is in China), one of the same foundries that is used by some of those major golf companies with brand names that everybody knows.
      Maybe if you didn’t like the looks of their clubheads (or those of Nike or numerous others), you’d say that “It looks like a cheap, knock-off stamped out of some shady Chinese factory…” as well.

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