Nike Brand Survey – The Results
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Nike Brand Survey – The Results

Nike Brand Survey – The Results

Written By: Tony Covey

Quite frankly, I don’t get it.

While it’s not an absolutely universal sentiment, even among our readership there is a strong reverence for Titleist and PING. I get that part.

Time and time again you tell us how much you appreciate the fact that neither company floods the market with gear, instead they embrace steady, predictable release cycles. You applaud the fact that they keep the gimmicks to a minimum while focusing on actual product performance. And you laud them endlessly for maintaining retail prices for the duration of a release cycle while TaylorMade and Callaway habitually cut the market out from under themselves; often significantly discounting product that hasn’t been on the shelf long enough to collect even a speck of dust.

Ask your buddy who bought Big Bertha Alpha all the way back in May how he feels about the 20% Callaway just knocked off the sticker price. It’s the TaylorMade R1 redux; Callaway Edition.

Here’s the part I don’t get. You guys love Titleist (even if you don’t love the products, you appreciate the model). You guys love PING (same). And because the business model is very similar to both company’s, you guys love are largely indifferent to Nike Golf.

I mean seriously! (and I don’t use exclamation points often)… As far as full line, big-ass golf companies with reasonably (or insanely) deep pockets go, Nike’s approach to the golf business is as streamlined, arguably restrained, as it gets. Nike does golf the way you constantly tell us you want golf done.

If you count Covert 2 and Covert 2 Tour as separate clubs, Nike has two reasonably well differentiated models available. Callaway has four. Six if you count Optiforce (and you should, because a new one is likely coming). TaylorMade…between 460, 430, S, and white…hell, it’s a lot, and that’s before we start talking about the old stuff (RBZ, RBZ 2, and R1) that’s still readily available and selling well.

Titleist has 2. PING is off the charts now with 4.

Nike’s iron lineup:3. It wouldn’t kill them to offer more options in their wedges, and the putter lineup is robust, but not excessive.

And here’s the other thing…if you buy the archaic (it has been on shelves since FEBRUARY) Covert 2.0 Driver today, you won’t need to worry that Nike might knock 20% off, toss in a free fairway wood, 3 dozen balls and a Labradoodle for the guy who buys it next week…you know, because the numbers don’t look so good.

Nike Golf doesn’t play that game. Nike believes in the integrity of their brand, and understands the value of consumer confidence.

It sounds a lot like Titleist and PING, doesn’t it?

Nike Golf sucks? Bullshit.

One of us is delusional.

Maybe you should think differently about Nike Golf.

And yet, here we are. Nike’s more than 10 years deep into the golf industry, and is still fighting perceptions that they’re just a shoe company, that their equipment is garbage, that they just don’t belong in the golf business.

That’s some pretty shallow thinking right there.

Nike views the journey of a golfer as a 40 year endeavor. The company is barely 25% of the way into their first generation. If it can’t convert you, Nike can probably wait you out.

All of that said, there are some uncomfortable obstacles that Nike Golf needs to overcome sooner rather than later. For all of the perceptions, and misconceptions about Nike Golf, I’ve come to believe the biggest issue Nike faces is the disproportionate amount of indifference to their golf business.

Uncomfortable Facts

Perhaps I delayed writing up these survey results as long as I did out of some overly-optimistic delusion that more people would actually participate in the survey. It didn’t happen. We’ve done several surveys prior, and a couple since. We’ve marketed and promoted them the same, and despite all of that, the raw head count, suggests that golfers just aren’t that interested in Nike as a golf brand.

By far our Nike survey generated the fewest responses. It’s almost disconcerting.

Want some context?

The total number of responses to our Nike Golf survey were roughly half of what we got for Callaway. That’s an interesting parallel as you have one iconic company still trying to establish itself in golf, while another iconic golf company is fighting to rebuild after years of digging an increasingly deeper hole. Neither is where it wants to be right now (at least I hope neither is), but it sure looks like golfers have a greater interest in the Callaway story right now.

Now it’s entirely possible that for whatever reason we have a disproportionally Nike-averse audience. It’s also possible that Nike is the biggest victim of golf’s generation gap. Sure…almost all of us own something with a swoosh on it, but I’d wager that Nike brand performance is strongest among the 30-40 crowd (give or take a few years on either side). That demographic (toss in the mid-to-late-20-something’s too) represents golf’s lost generation.

Visit any golf club…you’ve got juniors on family memberships,and then a massive gap that extends nearly all the way to the AARP. 20 and 30-somethings aren’t playing any measurable quantity of golf.

I’m 41. I’m one of the kids at my club. I’d be a kid at nearly any club. In 10 years, I’ll still be one of the kids. Nike’s generation isn’t playing golf right now, and I believe that explains a good bit of the indifference.

For those of you who did respond…let’s go to the survey.

Nike Brand Survey Results

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It’s not unusual to see Marketing lead the way. We have a cynical audience anyway, and that generally means that everyone short of Titleist and PING takes a marketing first approach. Remember the point I  made at the beginning. Nike is more PING and Titleist than they are Callaway or TaylorMade.

Just think about that rationally for a moment.

I’d wager that Nike would prefer to see both the Quality (4.16%) and Performance (8.20%) numbers higher (it’s that perception problem again). The good news is that the innovation message does seem to be resonating as 25.80% selected that as the most positive differentiator.

The most fascinating (and entertaining) responses to this question were found among the 12.49% that answered Other.

As you might expect there were plenty of mentions of Tiger and Rory (sometimes individually, sometimes together). There were more than a few who mentioned things like “Clean and simple design. No gimmicks“. And of course we had plenty of negatives like “inferior to all other brands“, “Nike is a shoe company“, and perhaps harshest of all, “nothing“. Indifference might be better than nothing.

Finally, one guy said “Criminal Athletes“. I’m not sure what the basis for that is, or how that qualifies as a positive diffentiator, but if it does, Go Browns!

From my perspective as a golfer, as much as I loathe the overuse of word, from this list, I’m inclined to go with innovation. Nike is less afraid to step outside the box than anyone else in golf, and while that doesn’t always yield the best products out of the gate, it means that Nike has the greatest potential to tear down the current boundaries and make the equipment game exciting again.

First with a rubber core golf ball? Nope…not Titleist. It was Nike. True story.

Nike likely has more intellectual property than anyone outside of the tech world (and Nike has tech patents too). It’s a pool that deepens on the daily. If you don’t think some of that knowledge and innovation crosses over into the golf world, well…now who’s delusional?

From my perspective as golf media guy, I’d leverage the Other category, and offer up Rhino-thick skin.

It’s bad enough that the golf media industry is disproportionately powered (paid for by way of advertising) by the companies for which journalists should be providing objective, honest, and hopefully insightful commentary. The lines are growing more blurred by the day. What’s worse is that golf companies as a group are largely thin-skinned. I’d use a different word, but ladies will be reading this.

It’s a culture of manipulation and control, and when it’s lost, it isn’t always handled professionally.

Negative opinions often incur penalties. We’ve been cut-off from info and product (which is a great way for golf companies to try and control what ,you, the consumer sees). Commentary yields complaints, and just about everyone is happy to offer up an opinion on how I should have written something, or suggest that maybe I shouldn’t have written it at all.

This doesn’t happen at Golf Digest.” Seriously…someone said that to me once.

There’s none of that from Nike Golf. No whining, no crying, no backlash, no tantrums, no retribution. Big boy pants, 24/7/365. Nobody at Nike has ever…not even once, tried to manipulate content. I respect the hell out of them for it, and you should too.

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Hey…there’s Marketing again (55.89%). I’m not sure how Modern (50.18%) translates, but it can’t be a bad thing, right? Youthful, Trendy, and Colorful read like our Cobra-PUMA survey, so make of that what you will, but I’m going to assume it speaks to Nike’s apparel line.

Innovation (37.10%) is good. Hype (34.48%) registering slightly higher than Performance (33.41%) probably isn’t.

Given some of the well-known perceptions about Nike Golf, Illegitimate (3.80%) registering only 3.80% is good news, Poser (11.77%) less so. Both words were included in the survey as potential Nike hater bait. The bad news for Nike is that we hooked a fair amount of you with the latter.

Clearly there are plenty of you who still believe Nike doesn’t belong in golf.

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At 60.46% I think this is the highest No Clubs in the Bag we’ve registered to date. We know Nike has some work to do. The driver number (20.43%) is decent, and putters (16.83%) and irons (18.15%) aren’t far off, but we also know that Nike’s current market share numbers aren’t competitive with the top-tier companies right now. Every silver lining comes with a cloud…or something.

As is often the case with Nike, there’s a ton of potential here. The Covert finally got people talking about Nike drivers. The Covert 2.0 generated real interest. By generation 3, that interest could start translating to real sales. Today’s numbers don’t always tell the whole story. There’s a small argument to be made that Nike Golf is trending slightly upward.

The putters have always performed well for us, and the golfers who actually try them generally end up loving them.

The iron situation is interesting. The VR Combo stuff is excellent, but isn’t the sort of thing that has mass market appeal. There is a quiet buzz, however, hovering over the Covert 2 irons. Yes, I know quiet and buzz don’t often work well together in this context, so let me explain.

Callaway’s Apex is the iron story of 2014 thus far. For all the talk of Bertha this and that, Apex is what’s driving the company right now. Despite an obnoxious price tag on the pro model, Callaway has done exceptionally well with the lineup, and more relevant to the discussion at hand, golfers won’t shut up about them.

With the Covert 2 irons, it’s a bit more subtle. A few sources inside pro shops have told me that what’s happening with noticeable frequency is that a guy will demo a bunch of irons and end up with the Covert Forged (if we’re calling Callaway out on price, we should probably mention that they’re also insanely expensive relative to their market placement) in his bag. Within a few weeks, 2 more guys from his foursome will come in and order a set (many without demoing anything else). The sales are almost entirely performance driven. Scores drop, and the guys on the losing end want in on the action. They’re buying what’s beating them.

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There’s nothing spectacularly exciting here. 62.86% report an improving perception of Nike Golf within the last 3 years. I suspect that’s largely due to a more compelling metalwoods lineup. I’d also wager that with each passing year, the acceptance of Nike as a real golf company grows. Through conversion or death, eventually we’ll stop talking about this ridiculous notion that Nike doesn’t belong in golf.

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Here’s one where we don’t agree. While an astounding 73.97% of you believe that Nike invests heavily in marketing, I’d argue they don’t invest enough. It’s July. When was the last time you saw Nike pushing a specific product, demo day, or any other initiative designed drive you to put a Nike club in your hand.

Nike did just announce the Nike Lunar Waverly. It’s a cool looking golf shoe, but…well…you know.

Callaway’s Phil Mickelson US Open promo was brilliant in that it incentivized golfers to demo equipment at a time when most of us have already spent our equipment allowance for the year. Only Callaway knows for sure if the benefit justified the cost, but it was something.

Most of the rest of this isn’t much different than what we’ve seen in past surveys. The one big red flag for me (from the Nike perspective) is that only 3.87% of you believe that Nike Golf emphasizes custom fitting. Guess what? We agree. Totally…and then some.

Nike has never been a power player where custom fitting is concerned. We’ve heard the guys that worked their Speed Trial events a couple of years ago weren’t always well trained (in club fitting or the Nike product line), and Nike fitting carts are a rarity. Finding club specifications and other important product details on the Nike Golf website is next to impossible, and most consumer we talk to aren’t the least bit aware that Nike offers the most comprehensive shaft upgrade program in the industry.

This needs to get better, and fast.

On a more positive note, Nike just opened up its first Performance Fitting Center in Scotland, and it appears that Nike is finally starting to realize the value and necessity of building a competent network of fitters:

“Today marks a critical step in our journey as we deliver an experience designed to serve the golfer in fitting and performance. It’s not enough to simply make great product – we have to serve our consumer with world-class experiences that enable them to unlock their true potential” – Cindy Davis, President, Nike Golf

Hopefully Scotland is just the beginning. $20 bucks says it is.
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Nobody in golf wants to be a follower. That’s for real. If you look at Nike products like cavity-back drivers (for better or worse), RZN balls (also for better or worse), and their incredibly interesting collection of patents (some really cool and unique stuff), it’s hard to make any sustainable argument that Nike is following anybody.

How can I say this…25.30% of you are wrong.

I can’t put it any more kindly than that.

While my experience with Nike leads me to believe that they’re generally unconcerned with what the rest of the industry is doing (they’re totally on their own program), if you consider the evolution of golf apparel and footwear over the last decade, and toss in things like the rubber core golf ball (and maybe one day the evolution of RZN), I think 27.00% of you could make a legitimate case for Nike as one of the industry leaders.

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Once again the results play into the perception that golf equipment is mostly all the same. Indistinguishable led the way in every category (it always does). The red flags here are the occasions where Slightly Worse registers higher than Slightly Better (irons, wedges), and where Significantly Worse register higher than Far Superior (Metalwoods, Irons, Wedges, Balls).

Brutal honesty, I think a lot of that comes from consumer ignorance. Some believe Nike makes crap, and so they don’t bother to hit it.

How many have actually hit a Nike wedge side by side against a Vokey or a Cleveland? Nike driver head to head against Callaway, Cobra, and Titleist? There exists in the marketplace a very real aversion…let’s call it a bias against Nike products, and it’s largely founded on nothing other than bogus perceptions.

That’s my opinion and observation on the problem. It’s Nike’s job to fix it.

As with anything else, nothing is the best for everyone, but if you actually believe it when you say Significantly Worse, you owe it to yourself to do some comprehensive side by side testing.

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There’s a tremendous amount of disconnect between the responses to this question and the one that preceded it. In general teal (Above Average) outpaces grey (Below Average) almost across the board. The same is true at the extremes for everything but Value. Overall this is a fairly solid result for Nike Golf.

The highlights are definitely Innovation, where 42.00% of you ranked Nike as Above Average. Toss in the 20.00% who view Nike as the leader and well…that’s a sizable majority on the happy side of the equation. Performance and Quality also scored well which leads me to believe that guys who either own or who have tried recent Nike clubs ranked them highly (even if neither is the first thing they associate with Nike Golf), while those who haven’t largely ran with their assumptions.

 

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I don’t know what the right answer is here…or if there is a right answer. I’m sure Team Nike has a thought or two on the subject, but me, on this, I waffle. Depending on what’s going on at any particular time, you could sell me on any of the middle 3.

Hard goods (anything with a grip) market share numbers simply don’t support any argument for improving rapidly. The numbers alone probably make a better argument for failing slowly, but with that said, the Covert line has improved significantly in just one iteration. Nike club designer, Nate Radcliffe has been called a rock star by more than one person I’ve spoken with, and with Priority Designs in the mix, we think Nike’s best is still yet to come.

Considering that the RZN ball is finally not only playable, but it’s actually good, and there hasn’t been any significant drop-off with the irons, putters, apparel and footwear, and I suppose Improving Slowly is where I’ve settled today.

I believe in the potential of Nike Golf.

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Again, the curves (or bars) aren’t much different than what we’ve seen in the past. Comparatively fewer of you (6.09%) ranked Nike as the best in the industry, but an even smaller number (1.74%) ranked Nike as the worst. I’m dying to know what company the majority our readers believes is THE worst. We’ll get on that.

As it almost always does, average ruled the day.

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Just shy of a 60/40 split. A majority of golfers who follow golf companies on social media follow Nike. What our numbers don’t reveal is that Nike still maintains the largest social media following in golf. By the numbers they’re killing it. Whether or not that converts to sales, or even brand loyalty is more of an unknown.

There are plenty out there…in here too, that remain unconvinced that you can tweet your way to success in the golf industry.

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Who didn’t know…or assume Nike Golf would be on social media? Seriously?

I’ve shared my thoughts on Nike’s social media approach in the past, and while I’ll concede that I’ve seen some improvement over the last year or so, their approach isn’t as informative (from a product detail perspective), or as personal (hey, you’re my real life buddy now) as some others, so I can definitely see how 26.82% of you wouldn’t find the Nike approach engaging or relevant.

Here’s my question for you guys: What changes should Nike make to their social media approach?

48.04% of you don’t follow Nike Golf because you’re not Nike Golf fans. Can’t argue that logic.

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I suppose it all boils down to how you define engagement. If it’s back and forth, making you feel like you’re a part of something (like a complete reinvention of a brand)…or that someone is even reading your tweets, then nobody is more engaged than Callaway. I mean granted, they don’t engage with me much, or the MyGolfSpy account (we’re on the naughty list), but if you’re a golfer, consumer, and potential customer, they’re still leading the way.

If engagement is a bit more subtle…cool photos, and of course that motivational JUST DO IT, #dontsleeponsummer stuff, yeah…Nike is really good at that.

I’m willing to buy into Slightly More Engaged.

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Given that we’ve seen occasions where greater percentages of readers report that social media diminished brand perceptions, this is actually a fairly solid showing for Nike.

Big picture, Nike leverages their athletes with greater efficiency than anyone in the industry. When Tiger wins, or when Rory wins, or even when Michelle Wie wins, Nike does an excellent job of making that part of the larger brand experience.

When Nike doesn’t win (and it’s golf so Nike doesn’t always win), photos of shoes don’t always convey the message with the same impact and intensity.

In general, Nike isn’t doing anything to hurt themselves with social media (and there’s plenty of companies for which that statement isn’t true), but they’re not totally killing it either…at least not as far as the delivery is concerned.

What’s true for Nike social media is largely true for the company as whole. As go its athletes, so goes Nike.

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Typical response pattern. Absolutely typical. The majority continues to assert that social media has no influence over the buying decision.

I believe that bad social media is much more likely to negatively influence the buying decision than good social media will a positive decision, but can we ever really know?

Wake up, people. It’s a mind game.

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What an interesting breakdown. Across all of the golf industry…and actually, even if we consider only equipment companies, Nike’s efforts reasonably qualify as Above Average.

Even if it’s ordinary bell curve stuff, what’s interesting is the similarities in the numbers between the most effective in golf, and below average.

Again, the raw headcount supports Nike as the social media leader.

More golfers read Nike tweets and Facebook posts than those of any other company. I’m not sure anything trumps that.

Wrapping It Up and Putting a Swoosh On It

All things considered, this isn’t a horrible result for Nike Golf. Obviously general indifference is a problem, and the results convey what we already knew. Nike still has a lot of work to do in fighting against the just a shoe company, not a real golf company perceptions that inexplicably persist.

Within the last year or so, Nike has diversified its message a bit. There’s less emphasis on Tiger, but they’re still focused on the athlete (and I’ve come around to understanding that and believing that it’s an integral part of the Nike way), but they’re finding better ways to reach the average golfer who may not think of himself in that context.

I’m in the minority…I might actually be a minority of one, but if Nike stays in the game, I believe it’s a logical inevitability that they will become the #1 Brand in Golf. It’s a 40 year journey…Nike is only getting started.

Then again, I might be the one who’s delusional.

 

 

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      L A

      10 years ago

      I find it hilarious that a couple of you had issues with the quality and craftsmanship of NIke products as if it doesn’t occur with other brands.

      My first Nike purchase was the original Slingshot irons in 2004. By 2010 my 8 iron head.dislodged from the shaft and went flying down the driving range. Nike re-shafted it and re-gripped it and shipped it back to me, no charge.

      I also had a Nike carry bag with a built in cooler. After 3 years, the cooler began to leak.

      Once again, Nike granted me a voucher for the ORIGINAL COST OF THE BAG to be utilized on their website in order to purchase a replacement.

      Their products when compared side by side to the other companies are as good or superior. If you cannot find Nike products, it’s simply because you aren’t looking for them. Your local “fitter” or course clubhouse isn’t the only golf equipment outlet.

      If you want a steak, do you go to the produce section? Or do you go to the butcher?

      Sounds to me like a bunch of you you are using a bunch of excuses to pigeonhole a company and/or their products simply because you don’t like their #1 pitchman.

      LA

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      Alex

      10 years ago

      When it comes to Nike in general, I have never had a positive experience with their equipment (hockey or golf) or shoes (cannot wear those narrow things).

      I have tested their equipment many times but they don’t fit my game. I am more consistent and longer with my “ancient” irons (TA1’s from 2000 that are 3 deg weak compared to most equipment today), my old T-Zoid Titanium (and it’s Razr Fit Extreme) flew past the Nike drivers regardless of shaft tried, and the look and feel are not to my desires.

      Beyond that, I have a major issue with Nike in general with their tactics for “moving in” to sports they were not a part of before. They purchased Bauer ice hockey equipment and ruined their quality and design before splitting their own gear off. Now, with golf they rode in on Tiger’s ability while designing their equipment around him and not what other (regular) golfers wanted.

      Now that they are trying to get into more people’s bag, but are failing in my mind because they still are not up to par with other golf companies. The balls haven’t been too bad, but I think they dug the hole with original equipment and being “Tiger Golf by Nike” for years, and now that Tiger isn’t cutting it nobody really cares. Rory is a great player, but “The Switch” and the year that followed has to have hurt their brand as everyone blamed the clubs for Rory failing.

      If they make something that works for me, I might just buy their goods… but that just hasn’t happened.

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      Gordon

      10 years ago

      Nike is a sporting goods company. Period. They make just about everything and have almost unlimited resources to do so, and do it rather well.

      I think they have tried some really good things in the past. Their putters are really darn good. Drivers have been ok. ( Sound off the club head doesn’t matter, performance does to me).
      But I have never been a huge fan of the “feel” of their irons. I haven’t tried their top of the line stuff, bc I’m not going to purchase $1000 clubs from anyone, so I cant speak to those lines.
      I have not given their wedges a look and I will game a Nike ball from time to time, but the RZN’s were pretty awful. Turned me off for a bit.

      I think they are getting stronger and improving their products every year. But I do not currently have any of their items in my bag. (I do have an old driver in my garage for what its worth)

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      I cants say im the biggest fan of Nike but i don’t hate them. Every year i try their newest stuff and the only thing to ever land in my bag was a Nike OZ putter. Although its not there now. I first started with Nike stuff playing their balls. But i have never been impressed by any of them. I always thought they were a more expensive rock. Their first tour balls i swore only tiger could compress them. As for their RZN lineup i played the first gen and quickly tanked them because I thought they were horrible, i have yet to try the new waffle core stuff but will eventually. I don’t mess around with golf balls too much anymore once you find the one that works i usually don’t spend money on a different brand when i know i can spend it on one that works. I thought i read that you thought the generation between 30-40yrs would be more open to Nike. I’d have to disagree, playing golf for 18yrs now im probably more biased against Nike having watching them come up from the start versus the younger gen where Nike is already established as a manufacturer. I think younger gens are quicker to forget poor products mainly because they weren’t around to hit some of those tin cans. Another funny fact the club that i usually play at has a PGA professional that is on staff with Nike yet no one in my club plays Nike stuff that i know of.

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      John

      10 years ago

      Ok so apparently the writer really likes Nike.. and good for you but be a little more understanding of how such a young company is revered. You don’t see me wondering why everyone isn’t bagging gigagolf.com equipment right!!! Plus look at what has happened in the last two years with Nike, yeah they picked up Rory but what happened to him since? Same thing happened with Tiger, oh but you ask what did they play before Nike? Oh yeah it was Titleist and they did very well with them. So even though most players know it just take time to adjust it still sticks in your mind. They went to Nike for money not for great equipment.

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      L A

      10 years ago

      Apparently you haven’t noticed how well Rory is playing with that same Nike equipment this season. Or Michelle Wie.

      Tiger? You try competing at a high level 4 months after back surgery and get back to me.

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      Bryan Johnston

      10 years ago

      I’m reminded of an article that was written on this site some time ago. I think it was “is Tiger Woods good for Nike?” Or something similar. Undoubtably he has been but, perhaps this survey quantifies just how good he has been. It does beg the question where would Nike golf be now if Tiger wasn’t on their payroll?

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      Dwayne

      10 years ago

      If I go to a golf store to buy something, my 54-year old beer gut says Titleist. My gut doesn’t say Nike.

      It is familiarity that brings trust, I know Titleist has 913 drivers, hybrids , AP1/AP2s irons, Vokey wedges, Scotty Cameron putters. Pro-V1 golf balls. Titleist says to me, quality, class.

      Nike? VS, VRS, VRS Pro, Covert 2.0, (actually tried this one once, terrible) Method? They also had those driver heads that looked like a ciabatta roll named after a mythical monster. I don’t know anything about their equipment nor do I wish to learn. Why not? Why is that? Why should I?

      Maybe I am too old for the Nike marketing to seep in my brain. Maybe it is that stupid swoosh.

      I am not closed-minded to using different things. In my Sun Mountain bag I got a Krank driver, Callaway irons, a Bang hybrid, TM putter, and have a Titleist 3 wood and Vokey wedges. Footjoys on the feet.

      I did buy a Nike 21′ hybrid once because it was on sale for $49 but after hitting a lot of snap-hooks it now lives in the kid’s bag. Too much damn offset.

      All this babble means is whatever Nike is trying to do to sell the golf equipment to me isn’t hitting the fairway. Maybe Nike doesn’t care about older guys like me in order to market to the young and hip. MTV doesn’t care much either.

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      Bill

      10 years ago

      The only outsourcing I’m aware of is that their balls were Bridgestone’s at one point…but I don’t know if that’s the case anymore. A start up for a whole golf line all at once is big bucks. To do it well even more so. They did damage to their image with second rate goods early on with that approach. But with the money they paid Tiger they needed to show sales/profits quick leading to some questionable business decisions.
      I opined earlier that they are trending toward much better products but I’ve never been tempted to buy Nike products for the reasons mentioned by others. The sweatshop labor, marketing hype, the declining quality of other lines (their clothing is still premium priced but its value is more dubious now). For seasoned consumers, Nike has a deep hole to dig out of.
      So IF they keep making good golf equipment and are dedicated to improving it and committed to staying in the golf biz, then in another 10 years they may reach TM, Callaway numbers IF the younger generations pursue golf in the numbers my generation has. There’s doubt in my mind there also..The game used to be cheap, fun and easy to access. Now it’s expensive (rounds of golf, clubs, clothes etc) and harder to access for many. So Nike has its work cut out for them.

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      Manny

      10 years ago

      I play over 100 rounds a year – about 40 in some sort of club or inter club competition – I cannot think of anyone that I have played with that uses Nike equipment with the exception of a ball or maybe a putter. I am a 12 and play with scratch players to 20 plus handicappers. Nike equipment looks nice in the stores but I have not hit it or really find any reason to. My only first hand experience with Nike was when Nike first entered the market my 12 year old son had a new driver and it caved in on him after a couple of weeks of playing. I attributed this problem to not being ready for prime time.

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      Rab

      10 years ago

      Nike had a bad reputation with me because if the crap clubs they put out to the public when they entered the golf club company. I realized the stuff tiger was playing had to be far better quality then what was available to the public. If Nime wasn’t a huge company with deep pockets then natural market trends would’ve put them on the edge of shutting down. Dosent seem right. Let Nike have a decade or so to figure it out, why? If I started a golf club company I wouldn’t have that much time to figure stuff out, neither would you. And they are percieved as a marketing giant cause that’s all they are. They outsource everything except marketing. It’s literally all they do. Has been they business model for sometime now. Nike = percieved low quality and full of gimmicky hype. Have never and will never buy Nike.

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Reasonable point about the early generations of Nike gear. It wasn’t good, and certain that played a role in creating some of the perceptions that still exist.

      I’d love to see the evidence to support “They outsource everything except marketing”. That’s pure nonsense. I mean…I don’t even know where to begin. It’s a mindbogglingly inaccurate statement.

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      Nick Barese

      10 years ago

      I have owned 1 Nike club ever. I am in the 30-40 age range. The Nike club I owned was the Square Driver. Not a great club but not a terrible club. Fast forward to this year and I almost ended up with my 2nd Nike Driver in the Covert 2.0. Numbers were right up there with the Big Bertha I ended up purchasing. If they just offered a Black head I probably would have walked out of the store with the Nike. The limited edition solved the head color issue but it was only avail in RH. Come on! how hard is it to paint some head for LH players.

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      Jeff

      10 years ago

      I started on Nike products. I owned the SQ STR8 fit driver, the square driver, the VRS and currently own the VRS Covert 2.0 driver. I have the Covert 2.0 3 fairway wood, VR 3 hybrid, sand wedge, and Method putter. I owned the Nike Forged Blades (purchased used) and kept them until last week. What turned me on to Nike was the adjustable head on the drivers. They were one of the first companies to do it with a reasonable price. I do like some of the flash that Nike puts on their golf products and I like the fact that I’m not playing w/ the usual TM or Callaway products. I just wanted to be different and I thought their products were just as good as the established brands.

      What I like about your article was the comment how Taylor Made and Callaway have a new product(s) every 6 months or so. That must irk my golf friends that use their products to find out their clubs could of been bought cheaper if they waited 6 months after their release.

      The only thing that bums me out about Nike irons is I couldn’t buy their VR Pro blades at the stores. You can get them from their website (btw at a reduced price probably being phased out for something more updated) but I wanted to try before I buy since it was my first time buying new iron set only. I ended up buying Mizuno MP-4 b/c they had the Nike feel of my forged blades but somewhat softer and the store didn’t have a VR Pro to compare it to.

      Great article. What you said was true. Personally if ppl can’t demo the products they won’t buy and the companies that have been around forever or just a golf club manufacturer the old guard aren’t going to give the new guy a chance. It’s like Chevy vs.Ford pick-up trucks.

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      nef

      10 years ago

      You may be on Nike’s payroll the way you rant and rave to defend their product. The fact is – most golfers are not social media followers for brands. We are mostly older than the posting pictures of your dental work generation and generally make up our minds based on one on one contact at the clubhouse, work or elsewhere. Social media has very little impact on anyone I know who golfs ( a group of around 40). Second, Nike hitched their wagon and golf marketing to the fortunes of two stars whose fortunes have declined although acknowledging that Michelle Wie is finally living up to some of her potential. No one wants to emulate either Tiger or Michelle as of right now. Third – Nike may have spent money on marketing but I would submit the wrong message. Fourth – I have swung their clubs in comparison to others and I find them inferior in subtle but significant ways. Fifth – Nike has such a massive presence in so many areas that they have no cachet or chops as a golf company. They are viewed as a mass market, Sports Authority staple and not a clubhouse staple. Despite your protestations that everyone else is delusional, the numbers should give you pause to consider – other brands are founded in golf and for better or worse stayed the course. Nike just added another side business to a mass production fit all and every sport reputation. You can cite innovation all you like, but it hasn’t translated into anything that has resonated with golfers and that is the real test. Maybe 60+% of golfers are delusional, but Nike is not and will never be a meaningful player in golf at least until my generation and the next die off.

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      nef, solid post, and the bit about dental work was brilliant. Not sure why you felt compelled to toss in the bit about being on Nike’s payroll, but you’re not the first. Apparently I’m being paid by TaylorMade, Callaway, Nike, Cobra, Adams, Mizuno…). They all must have my address wrong because I’ve yet to see a check from any of them.

      Anyway, I think your comment, perhaps unintentionally, supports much of what I’ve said about Nike, and speaks to the state of the game in general.

      Nike has a perception problem, and the core golf population is aging…and there’s not much of a next generation to speak of.

      Social Media is what it is…like I said in the article. I think it can be bungled to the point where it hurts your business, but if you do an adequate job, I don’t think you loose anything to the guys who are the very best at it. Twitter appears to be an excellent way to corral a cult of lunatics, but when you have an actual physical product you need to sell, I’m less sold on the value.

      Your point about Tiger and Michelle Wie speaks to the state of professional golf right now. In every sport, truly elite athletes are often the driving force for the products and companies they represent. Golf’s problem is there aren’t any truly elite athletes. There haven’t been any since Tiger. Sure…Phil, Bubba, Jordan Spieth, they’re really good, but none are close to dominant in the most difficult of sports to dominate. Nobody wins or stirs the pot enough to move the needle at retail. Golf desperately needs another Tiger Woods. Nobody else generates any real excitement right now.

      It’s a problem for everyone, but because of the reliance on the athlete it’s a bigger problem for Nike.

      You’re dead on about perceptions, but perceptions aren’t reality (and again, that’s the larger point of my commentary…we need to challenge our perceptions). Nike isn’t big in green grass shops where Titleist is dominant. Titleist is particularly strong because it made a point to put so many club level guys on staff (the guys who control inventory). The dominance doesn’t speak directly to the quality or performance of the product, it speaks to they ways Titleist has been able to focus on one segment, and in doing so effectively shut a lot of others out. It’s good business for sure. As floor space for equipment dwindles (there’s more money in apparel…NIKE), there’s room for fewer and fewer equipment brands in green grass.

      That’s a problem for Nike and others, but the reality is that the green grass shop is dying, and off-course is where the bulk of everyone’s money comes from.

      I love this talk of “sticking with more established brands”, or that Nike, as you say has no chops in golf. Again…perceptions, not reality. You and others paint a picture of a bunch of guys that got bored making shoes and basketballs and decided to try their hand at golf clubs. Sure…there was a decision made in boardroom to enter the golf market, but those guys aren’t the ones making the clubs.

      On the design team Nike has well-established talent with decades of experience in the golf industry. Their team was built from all over the golf industry. That talent pool is growing deeper each year. If some top R&D talent from Callaway and TaylorMade started a new golf company, would not their knowledge and experience go with them? Would they still not have their chops in the industry? People…not companies.

      Think about this…companies don’t make golf clubs. People who work for companies make golf clubs, and Nike has the same experience as most anyone else in that regard.

      Perceptions…right?

      Finally, to your contention that Nike will never be a meaningful player in golf…they already are. Despite being in the game just over a decade, Nike currently ranks #4 in total golf revenue (and climbing). Sure…apparel and footwear accounts for a good bit of it, but nobody discounts Acushent’s (Titleist) place in the industry (balls, and FootJoy account for the bulk of their business). It’s a long list of companies making less money in golf than Nike right now, and by any reasonable account, the majority would qualify as meaningful players.

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      flaglfr

      10 years ago

      I respectfully disagree with your comment regarding the next generation of golfers. I have seen many kids out there who are really having fun learning the game. But that is another story.

      Nike is a player to be sure, but my question is what kind? They are great with clothes and shoes no doubt. I even hit their ball for a few boxes, but there seems to be a common theme here in the responses. You have mentioned it as well.

      They have an image problem in the golf club market, in many cases based on people’s experiences with their product.

      I too have hit many of their products. Their driver is ok, their irons are ok. Their hybrids and putters are ok too, but nothing seems to stand out. Most everything here details accounts of people trying their stuff(both current and in the past), but nobody seems to stay with it. I would even argue (god help me) that Taylor Made, Callaway and others do a better job. While their marketing is strong, it is backed up with products we continue to play. Sure Nike has people with decades of experience, but what are they really doing with it?

      No one can argue the quality of Nike clothes and shoes. They back up their marketing in these area with a quality, functional product. If you say butter soft irons, many think of Mizuno. Long straight drivers, Many say Titleist, TaylorMade or Callaway. Wedges; Cleveland, Callaway or Vokey. Putters; Cameron, Bettenardi, Ping, even Wilson. What is the true name brand recognition for Nike? Tiger, Rory? Michelle? Tour pros can hit a ball with a spade shovel and have it work. That is not true of most amateurs.

      Others companies have stars too, but other companies have solid backup from us mere mortals who believe the product to be good enough to stay in our bag. I, (based on my experience) don’t believe this to be the case with Nike. I really wish it was. To me this is a big part of the dilemma with Nike.

      RON

      10 years ago

      Basically I am getting real tired of these golf companies not giving you options like grind , finish. etc, like the tour guys get and yet they want just about a grand fr their irons with none of those options and if you order your specs most of the time those specs are not even close to what you ordered, extremely sad, and again the hell with the public just because it takes them more shots to get a ball in the hole compared to their darling pros.

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      RON

      10 years ago

      Well they have come a long way BUT fr them to put the cheapest grips on their irons is a bad money saving sign, their combo irons this year with the under cut in the 6 iron is rediculuos and they wont give you an option to have the 6 iron in a normal split like the 7 to pitch but they give every touring pro that option and every touring pro has the 6 iron in the split with the new combo irons for 2014 but the hell with the public if they want the same split in the 6 and not that undercut. They wont give you the all satin mb irons like the tour gys get again the hell with the public on that which is not a big deal to do if someone prefers that in custom, especially the money this company has and really who knows if the public is really getting the quality of irons and wedges the tour gets which if i know nike WE AINT, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY SELL THEIR IRONS WITH THE CHEAPEST GRIPS IN THE GOLF INDUSTRY, Their clothing is insanly expensive considering how cheaply they are structured to fit the average person when it comes to the arm pit area, not as good as addidas , under armour , greg norman, and others .

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      L A

      10 years ago

      i’m pretty sure that they use Golf Pride grips on their irons

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      Dave S

      10 years ago

      As to your question re: wedges in the article… I happend to bag all three wedges currently (Cle, Vokey and Nike) and I find myself using the Nike 90% of the time. Not sure if that has to do with the loft (60), but i just find the Nike easier to use. I think most golfers would be smart to give Nike wedges a chance.

      Switching gears… in regards to golf’s ‘Lost generation’, what do you thing the driver is behind that? Why would 30-40 somthing’s not be playing as much as the younger kids and older ones? Do you think it has to do with the star power gap that occurred between when Jack stopped being dominant (mid 80’s) and when Tiger burst on the scene (late 90’s)? There was a good 15-20 year period where there were no real superstars (Faldo and Norman were great golfers, but neither are in the conversation for top 10 greatest golfers of all time). I’m 30 and I was in 7th grade when Tiger won the ’97 Masters and then in 10th grade when he finally started becoming dominant in 2000… as a pretty good all around athlete (started multiple years on varsity as running back in a top tier HS conf), I can say that untill ’97 – and really not until a lot later in earnest – did I give a crap about golf. My athletic developmental years were spent playing football, basketball, baseball, soccer (even lacrosse) over golf. I’m lucky and happened to catch the golf bug in law school and am now obsessed, but I can see how other kids who didn’t care growing up, would just continue their indifference toward the game now.

      Great insight… really made me think.

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      RevKev

      10 years ago

      Good point. The fact that a guy who won two majors is considered “great” tells us all we need to know about that era. The reality is that there were two great players from that era Ballesteros and Faldo. The problem is that they played in Europe. Third is hard to distinguish between Norman and Langer. The careers are identical except that one played in the US and the other Europe. I saw a comment about race in regards to Tiger earlier. Perhaps but it seems to me that more people started to play golf when Tiger was at the top of his game than anytime in golf history. Nike’s clothing boom is a Jordan thing and the last I checked he’s an African American. Tiger’s success got. Nike in the game but in some ways it created the impression fair or not that Nike is about the hype. Then you have Duval, Wie and Rory under performing and it’s the perfect storm of the type of perception in this survey. If Rory takes off again Nike may enjoy a resurgence.

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      It’s because they are spending their time with their kids. Baseball, softball, volleyball, basketball will run you about 5K a year to play. Tournaments and travel every weekend. There goes the money and the time.

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      Andy W

      10 years ago

      I agree Nike over time will become equal in public perception of a highest level club OEM…
      But for my generation, Nike is a newbee in the golf biz, and lost underdog status when hired Tiger and the like to hawk for gazzilions. But so what, Callaway is a newbee also. That’s where I am going this this. To earn my acclaim & esteem, there needs to be a breakthru item, and with Callaway it was the titanium Great Big Bertha, that had the first ever trampoline-face driver. Taylormade, the Burner series fo metal woods, etc…

      Nike has had no “breakthru” item in golf. But love thier running shoes!

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      That’s funny. No breakthroughs in golf, so won’t play them. But the running shoes, which NO legitimate runner would ever wear, and that are supported by marketing and buying of retail shelf space–those you LOVE.

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      Ron

      10 years ago

      My entire bag at the moment is Nike except the putter. That may change soon as Im testing a few of the Method models. I dont understand where all the hate is coming from. Nike makes great products these days and I think they will only improve from here. TEAM NIKE

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      Tony,

      sadly, you’re missing something here. See if Nike will give you a map of the US with the sales numbers on it. You’ll see something staggering. There is a distinct line drawn where Nike sells, vs. where it doesn’t. It is a sad commentary on us as a society. It’s the elephant in the room with Nike Golf. Good customers of mine have become ex-customers of mine due to words (some specific, some code words) used to describe the leading athlete of Nike Golf. They know it’s a problem. They just don’t know how to fix it.

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      Bill

      10 years ago

      Nike has stuck around in the hardware equipment longer than I thought they would. Deep pockets will do that. Their early clubs were ugly, poorly constructed and the paint jobs looked bad almost immediately. The shoes had too thin of a last to be comfortable for most grown men and the balls were bad until this years RZN. Their shirts switched from sewn stitching to rubbery iron on logos. The company screamed “profit margin” and “spreadsheet management”.

      Now we’re supposed to care about Nike 2.0…Maybe someday..and they look to be improving.
      But there’s plenty of companies with pedigree that make great products that last and appear to give value for their money. So it’s going to be a long road, I predict. Tiger and Rory sucking after switching didn’t help. That’s changing also but…well..add up the negatives and I’d say stick to the balls, clothes and shoes and get out of the hardware business.

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      Mike

      10 years ago

      The old guard…regardless of what the data indicates, they don’t like Nike and probably never will like Nike. I don’t care if Nike makes better clubs, they are too concerned with “tradition” and will by Titleist instead even if they can’t hit the darn clubs consistently well. Fools. They are the ones that ask, what club did you use. Who cares dude? Listen, anyone that asks this question can’t play golf well ok. The sport of golf isn’t about who hits the ball further. That’s called a long drive competition. Also, the hole doesn’t care what club you use either..don’t believe me, go ahead and ask, bet you get no response. The only thing that matters is how many strokes does it take to get the ball in the hole and Nike took me from 12 to 8 handicap playing a different course each week, and only playing each course once a year. There’s nothing wrong with Nike clubs, NOTHING. They are not for the majority of golfers because most struggle to break 90 and at that point it doesn’t matter what clubs they are using.

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      Salmon

      10 years ago

      My biggest problem with Nike is that in Australia its difficult to get to their stuff to try and the options you have to choose from once you have found them. Here in Aus you have very little (1-2 shafts) to get the clubs in which also comes from a friend of mine who is a Nike rep agrees. I have recently tried a few of their clubs and do really like them, and would love to try out a couple of there putters if I could manage to find them. I realise its just about the opposite over there in the states but limited options here hurts them a lot

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      jhoppy

      10 years ago

      Bottom-line: I don’t like a big-ass swoosh or is it whoosh on my stuff. Admittedly that is not a good reason for not buying if it helps your game. I have not found any of their golf equipment very helpful if comparison to Ping, Taylor Made, or Callaway.

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      Kris

      10 years ago

      I got to the course last spring and was almost shocked to realize nearly all my clubs were Nike. Driver, 5w, irons, and 1 of my 4 extra wedges. I replaced the wedge last fall (60* that ate up balls and didn’t spin more than average for me), but still happy with the rest. The Covert I went to the store to buy on the innovative cavity. I hit it next to every other driver and once I put the tour XS shaft in the performance head it blew the rest of the drivers away. The irons I hit every set in my price range and it tied with 1 other but was 50 bucks cheaper so went that way (Burner irons if remembering correctly). PS really liked the article!

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      Darren Tan

      10 years ago

      The issue over in Singapore is that we hardly have any place to test Nike clubs.
      We can get to demo Cobra, Titleist, Callaway, Ping etc.
      Heck, even Miura and Edel are easier to demo than Nike.

      I for one will not buy a club without any demo.

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      Revkev

      10 years ago

      I own a Nike cart bag that I love, my favorite ever. I played the Nike One Tour D for three years. I have never bagged a Nike club and rarely even tried one. The reason is that as an older guy I start with other known names and find something I like there before getting around to trying Nike. I’m sure the stuff is fine, it links fine but I just always seem to start elsewhere and have never had a pro who was a Nike guy.

      True or not they seem to have trouble penetrating the market at the grass roots.

      Also I filled this survey out prior to trying their new line of balls. I really like the RZN balls.

      I love T’s writing but come on why wouldn’t you expect marketing to be their perceived specialty when they have Tiger, signed Wie prior to winning a thing and also Rory away from Titleist? Of course the perception is that they are marketing champions. They just haven’t become the equipment makers of choice and Wie and Rory’s early struggles coupled with the perception the Nike held Tiger back is what drove this survey. That’s what I think at least.

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      RAT

      10 years ago

      Nike just doesn’t get it.They think and I guess Tony you also think the people will buy any cheap looking piece of crap that Nike puts out because it says NIKE.. I have yet to hit a Nike club that felt good.. Don’t forget the first rzn core ball of a couple years ago of which I bought a dozen, should have used them for target practice.. I love their golf clothing , their shoes are a foot killer.. I know they can do better. Disappointed in their products..

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      Whoosh

      10 years ago

      All Nike here.
      Last years Covert Tour driver was over my head. Performance was the straightest driver I ever hit, could work it left or right. Loved it for a squeeze fade. Liked to hit it a little toward the toe for great feel and length, heel hits were terrible feeling but could not argue with the results. It did not have a big feeling sweet spot.

      This years drivers are both sweet. Performance has a huge sweet spot! Very straight club! Can NOT get it to fade, Nike must have changed the weighting toward the hosel to reduce slicing.
      The Covert Tour is a GREAT club. Great feel. Very solid. I play both of these clubs and can NOT make up my mind which one to leave in the bag. Both I consider to be the best drivers I have ever owned. My buddy has one to and he agrees, and we both had the new very popular driver by another company and we could NOT hit it straight often enough. Looking at the test MYSPY did and digging in the data on accuracy alone you will notice Nike was number 1. Looking at two specific golfers in that test the Nike was the top driver for them in terms of length and accuracy.

      Never cared for the Nike hybrids including last years until this years new Tour models. They are positively SICK! My buddy agrees. Previous best hybrid was the Ping G5 I bagged for 5 or so years.

      Playing the VR Pro forged Irons. Sweet spot hits are to die for. Before those I was playing Ping Rapture J Spec irons for 8 years. Very forgiving irons I might add. The Nike Pro’s do not have jacked up lofts and are for people looking for a more surgical strike of the ball. Nike VR Pro’s are a 5% of the market club as you need a good swing with them, they are a players club. Briefly played last years Nike VR blades. They are real dart throws if you have the game for them. They are imo as good as any blade made. They were iffy for me 6 iron down. Hit the new Covert forged irons recently and will be bagging them next year for sure. What a feel they have and while I really like my Pro’s, the Coverts being longer and much more forgiving, and my getting older and shorter, these will help me score better.

      Nike this year in my opinion has emerged as a golf company. Their gear is now as good or better then any I have hit in my life. The Platinum ball is the first ball from the company that is as good or better then any of the others out there, and the black off the driver is as long as any ball I have ever hit. The Nike wedges I love, rotate them with Cleveland 588’s.

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      Frank

      10 years ago

      I have only bought one Nike item – a carry bag.
      It was expensive but it had the (then) new yolk straps and I thought that I would treat myself.
      Three months later the stitching started to unravel. Well within the 12 months warranty. Nike offered my $16 to get it stitched. By who??
      After several complaints I gave up and took my lesson. I won’t buy Nike again.

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      Lou

      10 years ago

      No disrespect to Nike golf, but how in the world am I to compare them to other major brands when their stuff is not available here for me to demo? I think that’s where they are lacking for me. Personally, I will try anything, especially if it doesn’t cost me anything, and can take my game to the next level.

      Nike needs to get demo days going in Atlantic Canada and FAST!!!

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      Max F

      10 years ago

      I have no experience with their clubs but I have tested many of the new golf balls this year and I think the RZN Platinum is the best feeling and, for me, the best performing ball out there. Great distance off the driver, great control even in the wind, excellent spin coming in to the greens and by far the best feeling ball off the irons and putter. When my last Pro V1 finds the woods or the water it will be RZN Platinum from now on. Unless they change the ball next year, which would be a big mistake and a disappointment. I used to like the TW4 but they stopped making it and I had not used a Nike ball since then, until now.

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      markb

      10 years ago

      Ditto! But I’ve also noticed that many other new balls are also so good that they encroach upon the ProV1’s once unassailable position. The Wilson FG Tour is superb, as is the new NXT Tour.

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      Give Nike some time. Give the consumer even more.

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      Markb

      10 years ago

      Fascinating analysis Tony, I read every word. Your central theme seemed to be, Why is Nike perceived so weirdly by golfers? (Even the fact that few responded to the poll is a weird result.) Fair or unfair, that seems to be the perception. I have no answers, just my own observations.

      You’ll note that many of the commenters above state that they have had quality issues with Nike gear — except when they didn’t (shoes and gloves). The buzz with Nike clubs (fair or unfair) is much more centered around quality. I echo those sentiments. I’ve played Nike gear in other sports since the 1970’s, always top notch quality. But I had never played Nike Golf gear (except for shoes, again top notch) until 2012. My brother hits Nike irons, I tried them and thought they were cheaply built and very short. He dumped them one week after hitting my Speedblades and seeing them go 20 yards further and much higher with the same swing.

      I started testing a bunch of drivers in 2013, buying them on Ebay. I was able to get a great deal on a Covert 1, tried it, hated it and immediately noticed it had QC issues of flaking paint even though it was about 3 months old. I tried to resell it and got next to nothing for it. The market was flooded with folks dumping their Covert 1’s. It was easily the worst driver I tested in 2013, so poor that I haven’t dared even try the Covert 2, although I’m told it is much improved.

      I have tried the new RZN golfballs, however, and I love them. Very fine balls that I’ll play any time.

      My point is this, and it echoes your story about the quiet buzz behind the Covert irons (I’ve heard it too, btw), in the long run you can’t fool the golfing public. Marketing, buzz, and social media only get you so far. It gets you to TRY the clubs. KEEPING the clubs is dependent on performance and quality. If we don’t see it, we dump. If we do see it, we keep and recommend. Who does not keep and recommend Nike shoes, bags, gloves, and apparel? We all see the quality there. But when the discussion turns to clubs and balls, Nike has a tougher row to hoe because many of us have tried something and found it wanting.

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      Tom54

      10 years ago

      I think Nike makes good stuff. I wear their clothes and shoes (sorry, had to go there). I don’t currently have any Nike in my bag. However, in the past, my first driver was a Nike. I had the Nike SlingShots. Those were great irons. I had the first Nike SQ driver. That was a great driver. I can’t say exactly why I didn’t continue getting their equipment other than I just found stuff I like better. Well, I can say this: I just got the Callaway Big Bertha Alpha two months ago. (Side note: FU Callaway for knocking $100 off the price already. I’m a big fan of their stuff, but this will seriously make me rethink buying their new clubs right away ever again.) I was actually interested in testing the Covert 2.0, partly from liking how it felt at Golfsmith and partly because of Tony’s glowing review. Here was the problem: The fitter I go to regularly didn’t carry it. He has Callaway, TM, Ping, Titleist, Adams; most everything. I asked about the Covert. He wasn’t that impressed so they didn’t get it at the store. Obviously it’s his own opinion, but it’s something that kept me from hitting it with different shafts. Also, when I got the NIke SQ, I got it after hitting it on a launch monitor at a Nike Demo Day. I think I’ve been to one Nike Demo day since. That was at least 8 years ago when I got that club. None of the courses I frequent ever have Nike Demo Days. None of the courses I frequent even much carry Nike clubs. I’m not pointing the finger of blame, but this is what contributes to me not getting to try out Nike’s clubs. Maybe it’s on me for not actively seeking them out. But when the ubiquitous companies (Callaway, TM, Titleist, etc) are always in your line of vision, it makes sense you’re going to be more familiar with their equipment.

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      cdvilla

      10 years ago

      I’m currently playing Nike hybrids (Covert Tour), irons (forged combo), and wedges (x3x) which I think are all excellent products. I did monitor fitting for the hybrids and irons which compared equally with the other brands that I was interested in buying. While I’ve long been a Nike fanboy (30+ years), last year was the first time I’ve felt their golf equipment was ready to go. If I wasn’t playing Nike right now, I’d be playing Wilson because their current iron offerings are so great.

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      Adam Staelin

      10 years ago

      I test lots of gear so I am pretty knowledgeable about all of the golf equipment out there but for some reason I never think Nike has a set of irons for a 10 handicapper. I know I am wrong but I think Nike needs to start with putting irons in peoples hands. Those are the clubs that you keep the longest so if you can get a guy to play the irons you have hooks into him. Drivers come and go but irons stick around.

      Ping and TMAG always seem to have an easy to hit set which is why I think they do so well. On the other hand that never has been the case for Nike.

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      cdvilla

      10 years ago

      This is a good point Adam. The Covert 2.0 forged irons are a good a GI iron as you can buy but are $1000+. Most mid-high handicappers aren’t going to drop that kind of cash when you can get TM Speedblades or RBZ closeouts for a fraction.

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      adan

      10 years ago

      It maybe perception that Nike is fighting but that is their own fault. When they first came out, the general consensus was that they were garbage and Tiger was succeeding with them in-spite of their short comings (Phil?) Meanwhile, Titleist, PING, Callaway, etc… have been in the game a lot longer and have a better track record of producing better equipment. Maybe Nike Golf has turned the corner and truly are making great equipment. But if I’m gonna get a new club, for around the same price as the other brands, I’m going with the others.

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      Russell Hollenbeck

      10 years ago

      My attitude toward Nike Golf is purely subjective and I can safely say it will never change. Nike is not a golf company in my eyes and I never follow their golf products nor give the slightest consideration to learning about or buying any of them. Except their best gloves, which fit me better than any other glove.

      How I feel emotionally about the maker of my golf gear colors my enjoyment of the game.

      Many years ago I had experience selling Nike hiking boots in my store. They were junk and we dropped them. Permanently. Nike no doubt makes a lot of good products and markets them brilliantly, but there are plenty of golf companies I feel good about representing in my bag.

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      Barbajo

      10 years ago

      Russell — you just hit at the very heart of brand-building!

      Lots of folks believe we decide on equipment based on logic, but it many cases it’s the emotional connection that’s made first – how you feel about a company, what the stuff looks like, what kind of emotional response does it bring — and then you back it up with logic.

      Personally, I have no real emotional connection with Nike as a golf company – pretty much ambivalent about it. Have played a Nike driver (hated it), a Nike wedge (meh) and a Nike putter (okay). I do have a Nike golf shirt that I like ;-)

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      mnfats95

      10 years ago

      I have owned 10 Nike clubs since they started but I currently own zero.

      2 drivers
      4 hybrids
      2 wedges
      2 putters

      The drivers and hybrids were about 4 or 5 years go approximately and they made their way through my bag at various times during that period. Performance was fine with them, but the reason I don’t look at their clubs much anymore is that all 6 of those clubs wore out much quicker than the other equipment I had been playing.

      One of the drivers decided to give up on me by going dead. Couldn’t hit it over 200 yards no matter what. Confirmed it was the driver after trying my previous one and hitting it just fine and having my playing partners try to hit it as well. The other driver I had from Nike was never a great fit, but after using it for a season the hosel cracked so I moved on.

      The hybrids were some of the worst clubs I’ve ever had when it came to build quality. One of them in the first pair I bought had the head fly off within a week of use. The other one in that pair I didn’t hit a lot due to it being the longer of the two, but after a season of use it looked like I had run it over with a truck.

      The second pair of hybrids I tried from them had the shafts in both of them crack. I swear I don’t abuse my equipment.

      The paint on all of these clubs seemed to come off much easier than any other clubs I’ve used as well.

      I wasn’t really that upset about any of it because I bought all of them after they were out for a season and they were half price or cheaper. I bought them all from retail stores, so I don’t think that they were counterfeit.

      The wedges I did use for three seasons and they were fine. Nothing special, but they were inexpensive and served me well. Can’t complain there, but once I found out how much getting fitted helped I haven’t been back since honestly I don’t know if I can order a custom wedge from Nike.

      The putters I still have, but I’ve moved on to a longer putter and never looked back.

      I believe a lot of people’s ill will towards Nike has to do with Tiger being their top guy.

      There are just as many people who dislike him as there are who like him. I believe he actually hurts their image as much as he helps it.

      That being said, the best golfer of my generation uses their equipment and still wins with it, so for the people who claim it’s not as good as other manufacturer’s equipment I would call BS on that.

      I will never count out Nike’s clubs, but also don’t go looking for their stuff like I do some of the other brands.

      It could also be that since they have only been around for a fairly short time the people who love Titleist, PING, Callaway, ETC… don’t need a new favorite golf manufacturer because they already have one.

      I was impressed two years ago at our local demo day, the NIKE rep was the only one there with a launch monitor and he was inviting anyone on the range to hit the original Covert against any other driver there that day to compare. He was begging people to bring the R1 and RBZ’s down to hit on the monitor against his stuff.

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      Hula_Rock

      10 years ago

      By far one of the best reads on MGS, well done.

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      Kenny B

      10 years ago

      JMO, marketing can be good or bad. For Nike they have always gone after the “best” athletes in whatever sport, doesn’t matter. Signing Tiger, Rory, Michelle or the latest up-and-comer gets their logo in the golfing public’s eye. If they win, great; but Tiger hasn’t won a major since 2008 (and he was expected to), Rory hasn’t done well since switching to Nike clubs a couple of years ago (until just recently); Michelle didn’t do well while in college, but she is the current bright spot since she can finally focus on her game rather than studies (I applaud her for getting her degree).

      Over the last few years Nike had nothing much to tout from their best players, so even doing as well as they have is a good thing. Tough to get people to try your clubs when your stars are not doing well.

      I think your comment about the demographics is spot-on. I don’t see young people running out to buy Nike clubs because Tiger, Rory, or Michelle wins; but when Michael Jordan was playing, kids were stealing Air Jordan shoes because they couldn’t afford them. Jordan has been out of the game for 15 years and his Nike shoes are still wildly popular, even with kids who never saw him play. But sadly, the golfing generation(s) is/are middle age up to senior citizens (me). Nike may be trying to market to the younger generation, but it’s us old folks that are buying clubs trying to get back our youthful swing speed (not going to happen). And us old folks either liked or disliked Nike for whatever reason, and we are pretty set in our ways.

      Oh, by the way, you’re delusional.

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      Tyler

      10 years ago

      I have never once thought about buying a golf product from Nike. I have tested their equipment but have found better products from other golf companies. I do however think that they are important to the industry since like stated in the article, they do their own thing. They and Ping I feel just do w/e they think is the best regardless of what say TaylorMade and Callaway are about to release. They also seem to have a pretty decent following that will always be loyal to the brand just like how a lot of people will always buy TaylorMade drivers (idiots) or always buy Cleveland/Vokey wedges.

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      jondagcl

      10 years ago

      I think Nike is in a prime spot to capitalize on its youthful customer base to take golf to the next level. It may take figuring out how to take people that don’t golf (and don’t have an preconceived ideas about any other brand) to hook a golfer in, get them used to your gear (and a brand that they already know and have positive associations with) and go from there. Besides seeing one of the aforementioned brands that people have a strong reverence for on their grandpas hat, most kids actually own a Nike product. Nike already has one foot in the door.

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      flaglfr

      10 years ago

      Nike is an enigma to me. In my mind, they neither lead nor follow. They have moments of brilliance followed by flashes of equipment that sound like they were made from recycled beer cans. They in some ways cater to traditional players with their forgings (even the game improvement ones) and then put out red clubs with giant swoosh marks on them.

      I guess the thing that perplexes me most is that they seem to enjoy the place they are in. Not leading, not following. This is probably why many of us have ambivalent feelings with Nike. They are just too hard to figure out. They also don’t seem to know what they want to be when they grow up.
      If Nike were ever to throw the weight of the company at golf like they did with shoes, they would be a formidable force to reckon with. It just doesn’t seem likely to happen.

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      Simon ACT

      10 years ago

      Great post flagflr.

      I always feel Nike isn’t really that interested in going ‘All In’ in the golf industry. My only real flirt with Nike was with the original SQ lineup and I didn’t like it and got rid of it quickly. They had no alternative back then, and if you dont like the Red of Covert 2.0 then there isn’t one now.

      To me Nike are always interesting to look at but never (so far) compelling to buy. Looking at the kids bags at our junior tournament a few weeks back, the kids don’t find it compelling either, as only one of the 24 finalists had a single Nike club, and that was a Method 004 putter.

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