Comments on: Has Ping Created The World’s Straightest Driver? (PATENT APPLICATION!) http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/ Golf Blog - "Your Secret Agent For Everything Golf" Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:16:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Driver indir http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-10015 Driver indir Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:25:56 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-10015 I read this post via the twitter feed. It was interesting to see both sides of the what will be an ongoing story. I read this post via the twitter feed. It was interesting to see both sides of the what will be an ongoing story.

]]> By: fsu#21 http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-9290 fsu#21 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:16:35 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-9290 DOC sorry im a little late to the discussion. let me give you a scenario. say you have a guy working in retail for maybe $8-$9 an hour, say the NIKE rep comes in and offers anyone hitting a nike sales quota a paid trip to "the oven" or beaverton their choice, say the ADAMS rep comes in offering cash and/or product incentives to move adams product,say the TAYLOR MADE rep is offering a full head to toe package to the leading taylor made sales person, say the TITLEIST rep orders you a couple dozen prov1's with your name on them free of charge just because he wants you to use his product. NOW LISTEN UP CAUSE THIS PART'S IMPORTANT, say the PING rep comes in and tells you unless your a staff player they will be no incentives what so ever and when you ask why he say's"because we dont have to"!! say one day your shop is having a 10% of sale on everything except ping and a new worker accidently gave a ping mystery shopper $11 off on a putter soon there after you get notifacation from ping that your account will be frozen/suspended for 1 year because you violated their P.P. policy.everthing you have just read is true for better or worse. LISTEN when i entered the P.G.M. PROGRAM you quickly realize that we dont do this for the money we do it for the love of the game. anything any of the company's do for us is greatly appreciated it's really more of a professional courtesy than "palm greasing" and as far as i know nobody in the industry slights ping products. in my opinion ping is made up of a bunch of cheap pompus a--holes but i still would'nt sway a customer who is intereted in a ping product. if ping does'nt want to take care of their own then so be it. DOC
sorry im a little late to the discussion. let me give you a scenario. say you have a guy working in retail for maybe $8-$9 an hour, say the NIKE rep comes in and offers anyone hitting a nike sales quota a paid trip to “the oven” or beaverton their choice, say the ADAMS rep comes in offering cash and/or product incentives to move adams product,say the TAYLOR MADE rep is offering a full head to toe package to the leading taylor made sales person, say the TITLEIST rep orders you a couple dozen prov1’s with your name on them free of charge just because he wants you to use his product. NOW LISTEN UP CAUSE THIS PART’S IMPORTANT, say the PING rep comes in and tells you unless your a staff player they will be no incentives what so ever and when you ask why he say’s”because we dont have to”!! say one day your shop is having a 10% of sale on everything except ping and a new worker accidently gave a ping mystery shopper $11 off on a putter soon there after you get notifacation from ping that your account will be frozen/suspended for 1 year because you violated their P.P. policy.everthing you have just read is true for better or worse. LISTEN when i entered the P.G.M. PROGRAM you quickly realize that we dont do this for the money we do it for the love of the game. anything any of the company’s do for us is greatly appreciated it’s really more of a professional courtesy than “palm greasing” and as far as i know nobody in the industry slights ping products. in my opinion ping is made up of a bunch of cheap pompus a–holes but i still would’nt sway a customer who is intereted in a ping product. if ping does’nt want to take care of their own then so be it.

]]> By: Garry http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-9284 Garry Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:55:30 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-9284 Doc.. I am not far behind you the etirement thing. I committed to some Sping orders way back in Oct. that are now roliing in. I have 6 weeks from release to make it, before the new wears off and the blow outs start. I have a good friend in the San Marcos area.. I head south a lot when the snoballs fly here. To old and beat up to ski(reason I am old and beat up) There are some real deals on courses that threw people out for not driving a new BMW, begging to come play me by email spamming.. One I really like is Barton Creek. One guy in our golf group is a politician.. poor *ucker gets hammered no matter how much he rides the fence. Because he deserves it.. lololol hit em long and str8 Doc Doc.. I am not far behind you the etirement thing. I committed to some Sping orders way back in Oct. that are now roliing in. I have 6 weeks from release to make it, before the new wears off and the blow outs start. I have a good friend in the San Marcos area.. I head south a lot when the snoballs fly here. To old and beat up to ski(reason I am old and beat up) There are some real deals on courses that threw people out for not driving a new BMW, begging to come play me by email spamming.. One I really like is Barton Creek. One guy in our golf group is a politician.. poor *ucker gets hammered no matter how much he rides the fence. Because he deserves it.. lololol hit em long and str8 Doc

]]> By: Doc http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-9283 Doc Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:39:40 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-9283 All humor aside, I recently bought an old"wood" Ping driver (the same club I gave up many,many years ago because I could not hit it anywhere)...took it out and hit it...about 40 or so yards less than my current T.M..but it reminded me just how different things have become... I've always missed the solid sound of a well struck wood driver compared to metals...but I surely won't give up the increased yardage and control....And yea, I am always in wonder how those guys hit those balls so well....I had gone back to college in the 70's and after several years of no golf I got out on the course and pulled a "new" (actually an old new sleeve of Maxfli's) out to play....They had become "deformed"...half egg shaped and big bumps on them...I suppose from being stored in the heat... Abyhow, perhaps you're right...I was in DC last year on vacation...hadn't been there in years...nice place to visit, but I'm now retired and moved to SoCal so I can play lots of golf...lol..beats even being a politician...I think!...lol All humor aside, I recently bought an old”wood” Ping driver (the same club I gave up many,many years ago because I could not hit it anywhere)…took it out and hit it…about 40 or so yards less than my current T.M..but it reminded me just how different things have become… I’ve always missed the solid sound of a well struck wood driver compared to metals…but I surely won’t give up the increased yardage and control….And yea, I am always in wonder how those guys hit those balls so well….I had gone back to college in the 70’s and after several years of no golf I got out on the course and pulled a “new” (actually an old new sleeve of Maxfli’s) out to play….They had become “deformed”…half egg shaped and big bumps on them…I suppose from being stored in the heat… Abyhow, perhaps you’re right…I was in DC last year on vacation…hadn’t been there in years…nice place to visit, but I’m now retired and moved to SoCal so I can play lots of golf…lol..beats even being a politician…I think!…lol

]]> By: Garry http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-9282 Garry Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:10:29 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-9282 Doc.. my only concern with new tech is that OEM's like Ping design with in the rules set forth.... You know the "spirt of the game" thing. I thought way back when the original case was hitting ther fan.. I thought Ping stretched the limits.. I played Mizuno back then... but they were legalized and that was that.. If I hated tech.. I would use and old gutty and wood clubs. Which I tired at teh Golf Hall of Fame.. Amazing that those old guys could breal a 100. I have lopsided balls that put better Doc.. my only concern with new tech is that OEM’s like Ping design with in the rules set forth…. You know the “spirt of the game” thing. I thought way back when the original case was hitting ther fan.. I thought Ping stretched the limits.. I played Mizuno back then… but they were legalized and that was that.. If I hated tech.. I would use and old gutty and wood clubs. Which I tired at teh Golf Hall of Fame.. Amazing that those old guys could breal a 100. I have lopsided balls that put better

]]> By: Garry http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-9281 Garry Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:03:44 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-9281 Doc.. perks are part of the sales game in all industries, whether you like it or if I like it. . I just know how the salles industry works. As FSU#21 said.. spiffs are part of the sales game..so are the awayys.. who better than to give things to,than guys at ground level who do the selling? If you bothered to read an earlier post of mine. I am on no ones staff! The reason being is not to have a biased opinion. I can also guarantee you one thing youwill never hear at a corp meeting is the "consumer" and "savings" and If you thing I am wrong.. just think about the MAP.. fixed pricing. Yup that is real consumer freindly.. the least of your worries is some sales guy getting a dozen ballls and costing you money. You sound just like a Republican in Congress naying the handouts,, but slopping at the trough of money being handed out. Maybe we both should head to DC!! What say you Doc? lolol Email your local congress guys to vote for the consumer protection agency then! Doc.. perks are part of the sales game in all industries, whether you like it or if I like it. . I just know how the salles industry works. As FSU#21 said.. spiffs are part of the sales game..so are the awayys.. who better than to give things to,than guys at ground level who do the selling? If you bothered to read an earlier post of mine. I am on no ones staff! The reason being is not to have a biased opinion. I can also guarantee you one thing youwill never hear at a corp meeting is the “consumer” and “savings” and If you thing I am wrong.. just think about the MAP.. fixed pricing. Yup that is real consumer freindly.. the least of your worries is some sales guy getting a dozen ballls and costing you money. You sound just like a Republican in Congress naying the handouts,, but slopping at the trough of money being handed out. Maybe we both should head to DC!! What say you Doc? lolol Email your local congress guys to vote for the consumer protection agency then!

]]> By: Doc http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-9279 Doc Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:50:18 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-9279 Sounds to me that if you or your people don't get their palms greased, the offending company is not well represented in your store...obviously, with this type thinking, you perhaps have missed a calling to be in politics! And you had the audacity to accuse MSG of underhanded dealings! Shame!...and Gerry...please...don't yell, I can understand your rudimentary coments easily enough... ...Just to allow you to rest easy, no, I know very little about the inner workings of the golf industry. I have quite enough problem handling the little bit I deal with on the course. However, I do know something of human behavior within the capacity of big business...enough to realize that when palms get greased, ultimately the consumer gets screwed...either because the "greased palm" ignores "pushing" a better product in order to justify having the palm greased, or sellers/dealers failure to accept the fact that maybe the company greasing the palm has little else to offer...either way...joe consumer will lose....but, again, that type approach is very effective in most political circles...just a thot...lol Sounds to me that if you or your people don’t get their palms greased, the offending company is not well represented in your store…obviously, with this type thinking, you perhaps have missed a calling to be in politics! And you had the audacity to accuse MSG of underhanded dealings! Shame!…and Gerry…please…don’t yell, I can understand your rudimentary coments easily enough…
…Just to allow you to rest easy, no, I know very little about the inner workings of the golf industry. I have quite enough problem handling the little bit I deal with on the course. However, I do know something of human behavior within the capacity of big business…enough to realize that when palms get greased, ultimately the consumer gets screwed…either because the “greased palm” ignores “pushing” a better product in order to justify having the palm greased, or sellers/dealers failure to accept the fact that maybe the company greasing the palm has little else to offer…either way…joe consumer will lose….but, again, that type approach is very effective in most political circles…just a thot…lol

]]> By: Garry http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-9277 Garry Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:39:23 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-9277 Doc ...I have news for you.. alll the OEMS come out with a driver every other week.IWe have all kinds of them. Cars come out with a new model every year, so what is the big deal about a driver? Value.. a club once it is hit has no value to me. . IF IT WASN''T FOR YOU, THE CUSTOMER DEMANDING IT, the OEM's wouldn't do it. Do you even have an idea how much money is spent on R&R? It would save alkl the OEM's millions if thye did the old every two year releases. Just like any business.. perks are part of the business. If some company rep wants my people to push THEIR product over others.. THEY DAMN WELL BETTER grease their palms. I am betting you know very little on how the inside part of the golf business works. So I wouldn' t be jumping to any conclusions. and if you are a real Doctory in life.. tell me you don't get perks from the pill and medical companies. I know all my doctor and pharamscy golfoing buddies sure do. Pills out the wazoo... trips.. golf clubs.. eveningd in the strip bars etc.. You can rave on about TM all you want. I know one thing. I got my new TM drivers in late Monday. Damn near sold out today. I will sell more TM drivers this week than all the rest of the brandfs combined for the rest of the year. With TM having over 55% of the golf pie.. They must be doing something RIGHT. Ping.. they strong arm vendors. They come into shops and demand an audit.. if you don't let them look at your books. They whack your account. Sonds like a real wonderful company to deal with,, doesn't it? If you sell their garbage for $1 under MAP.. they will take your account. I say that is real good for the consumer. What say you DOC? Doc …I have news for you.. alll the OEMS come out with a driver every other week.IWe have all kinds of them. Cars come out with a new model every year, so what is the big deal about a driver? Value.. a club once it is hit has no value to me. . IF IT WASN”T FOR YOU, THE CUSTOMER DEMANDING IT, the OEM’s wouldn’t do it. Do you even have an idea how much money is spent on R&R? It would save alkl the OEM’s millions if thye did the old every two year releases. Just like any business.. perks are part of the business. If some company rep wants my people to push THEIR product over others.. THEY DAMN WELL BETTER grease their palms. I am betting you know very little on how the inside part of the golf business works. So I wouldn’
t be jumping to any conclusions. and if you are a real Doctory in life.. tell me you don’t get perks from the pill and medical companies. I know all my doctor and pharamscy golfoing buddies sure do. Pills out the wazoo… trips.. golf clubs.. eveningd in the strip bars etc..

You can rave on about TM all you want. I know one thing. I got my new TM drivers in late Monday. Damn near sold out today. I will sell more TM drivers this week than all the rest of the brandfs combined for the rest of the year. With TM having over 55% of the golf pie.. They must be doing something RIGHT. Ping.. they strong arm vendors. They come into shops and demand an audit.. if you don’t let them look at your books. They whack your account. Sonds like a real wonderful company to deal with,, doesn’t it? If you sell their garbage for $1 under MAP.. they will take your account. I say that is real good for the consumer. What say you DOC?

]]> By: Doc http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-9276 Doc Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:17:36 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-9276 Some times you people are too close to the kitchen and therefore have forgotten how the food smells! Speaking only from a players/buyer perspective, Ping is a great, I repeat, great company... So is Callaway...and I believe in our capitalistic society, profit is still considered a pretty good motive. Therefore, just because as "vendors" you get bent out of shape because some companies rep doesn't give you as many "freebies" as some other companies might do... You're showing your bad side there... You see, both companies make a good, better than average product that "Joe average" can use. Ping has probably been more instramental in providing "usable" clubs (let alone their contribution to putters) than any other one company. T-M, ( when talking about profit,) they come out with a new cliub about every 10 days, thereby making all previous ones obsolete and therefore less valuable....Yet, you don't seem to be "put-off" by them....guess you get more "freebies" from them... ...As for this forum, I've followed it as often as I can and have never felt there was any...repeat...any favoritism shown towards any one OEM. I handled procurement for a couple large companies for many years, and above the boardroom door at one of them was a sign that read..."For every new idea, there are 1,000 people appointed to guard the past"...Innovation , or pushing the envelope, is ultimately the vehical that leads to progression...We all, sooner or later profit from it.....Unless of course, you are one of the 1.000 appointed to guard the past. Just my 2 cents worth...lol Doc Some times you people are too close to the kitchen and therefore have forgotten how the food smells! Speaking only from a players/buyer perspective, Ping is a great, I repeat, great company… So is Callaway…and I believe in our capitalistic society, profit is still considered a pretty good motive. Therefore, just because as “vendors” you get bent out of shape because some companies rep doesn’t give you as many “freebies” as some other companies might do… You’re showing your bad side there… You see, both companies make a good, better than average product that “Joe average” can use. Ping has probably been more instramental in providing “usable” clubs (let alone their contribution to putters) than any other one company. T-M, ( when talking about profit,) they come out with a new cliub about every 10 days, thereby making all previous ones obsolete and therefore less valuable….Yet, you don’t seem to be “put-off” by them….guess you get more “freebies” from them…
…As for this forum, I’ve followed it as often as I can and have never felt there was any…repeat…any favoritism shown towards any one OEM. I handled procurement for a couple large companies for many years, and above the boardroom door at one of them was a sign that read…”For every new idea, there are 1,000 people appointed to guard the past”…Innovation , or pushing the envelope, is ultimately the vehical that leads to progression…We all, sooner or later profit from it…..Unless of course, you are one of the 1.000 appointed to guard the past.
Just my 2 cents worth…lol
Doc

]]> By: fsu#21 http://www.mygolfspy.com/ping-adjustable-moi-driver-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-9261 fsu#21 Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:21:07 +0000 http://www.mygolfspy.com/?p=3594#comment-9261 SCOTT- what kind of GOLDWIN driver did you have. just curious because my friends a pro at a local muni and they had like 3 of those things in rental bags. SCOTT- what kind of GOLDWIN driver did you have. just curious because my friends a pro at a local muni and they had like 3 of those things in rental bags.

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