Second Guesses:  Did You Make The Right Decision On Those New Irons?
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Second Guesses: Did You Make The Right Decision On Those New Irons?

Second Guesses:  Did You Make The Right Decision On Those New Irons?

Have You Ever Wondered . . .

(Written by Golfspy_Dave) Have you ever had that moment when you thought back on your life and wondered about the impact of your choices?  Did you take the right person to homecoming?  Did you go to the right college?  What would have happened if you had decided to open your own business?  We have all pondered questions like these, not so much to dwell in the past, but more just wondering how things would have turned out had we walked the other path that day.  I know that right now you are thinking, “What is all this existential BS?  I came here to see the latest golf gear!”  I’ll admit, those previous ponderings are a bit heavy for a site about golf, but they do relate to today’s topic.

Last January, I went down to the Eli Callaway Performance Center and was fit for a new set of irons.  You can read the details HERE.  To summarize, my iron selection came down to a choice between two sets, the RAZR X Tours and the RAZR X Blacks.  While I went with the RAZR X Tours, I couldn’t avoid the nagging voice in the back of my mind that wondered if I went down the wrong path.   The curiosity about how my game would be different had I chosen the RAZR X Blacks instead of the Tours kept creeping into my thoughts.  I faced a similar dilemma the first time I went and got fit at Callaway.  The fitter said that I could play the RAZR X or Diablo Forged irons, with the Diablo Forged being the more difficult of the two to play.  I went toward the iron of least resistance, the RAZR X, and I have definitely enjoyed playing with those irons.  When I went to Callaway this year, we decided on the RAZR X Tours as my game was progressing with my winter lesson project and the RAZR X Blacks seemed too similar to the RAZR X irons I was already playing.

Jump forward to this past summer, and you would have found the RAZR X irons from the year before in my bag.  I had taken the RAZR X tours out on numerous occasions, but they just didn’t give me the performance/forgiveness that the RAZR X did.  This is really what got me thinking about the RAZR X Blacks, as I viewed them as a GI iron that falls in between the X and the Tour in the Callaway line.  Should I have gone with the other set?  I decided to find out.  What set of irons should I be playing?  Unlike wondering what would have happened had you worked up the nerve to talk to that girl in high school, this question can, thankfully, be answered.  Today we will see if that iron choice back in January was a good one.

The Clubs: RAZR X, RAZR X Tour, RAZR X Black Irons

:: All Standard length, loft, and lie

:: All shafted with True Temper Dynamic Gold S300

:: All +2 wraps under the grips, though the grips did vary

The Tests

Driving Range Trials: I recorded the results for 5i/7i/PW for each set while aiming at appropriate targets on the range.  For the 7 iron and PW, I recorded ten shots with each iron.  I reduced the number to eight with the 5 irons because I was running out of balls, and starting to see the effects of fatigue.  (A quick thanks to Peter Brown for his ridicule-free recording of the shot data.).  There was no launch monitor, no talk of D-Plane (though Pete tried) or other swing theories.  This was just about which irons allowed me to hit the targets.

Informal Course Play: Over the course of a few months, I played rounds with the various sets, recording impressions, strengths, and weaknesses.  This data set is far more subjective, and may just really boil down to confidence level with the individual sets.  Out of compassion to the readers, I will not include scorecards or swing videos…

The Results

Range Trials

Here are some graphics that I put together to show the shot dispersion for the trials at the driving range.  Under each, I have included some photos comparing the clubs being tested. For reference:

:: B= RAZR X Black
:: X= RAZR X
:: T= RAZR X Tour.

Pitching Wedges

7 Irons

5 Irons

Based upon these three data sets, I reached the following conclusions:

:: The RAZR X Black irons are definitely the most “heading-left” of the sets. This is a big deal for me as although Kevin Estrella and I worked on my flip last winter, it still creeps into the game now and again.  This was especially true with the 7i.  I had to fight to keep the balls as close to the target as I did.

:: The RAZR X Tour irons were definitely the most “heading-right” irons. I was not too surprised by this.  These irons have less offset, and unlike the RAZR X and RAZR X Black, the Tours are not designed not to help a higher handicapper turn over the club.

:: I can’t discount the fact that I have been playing with the RAZR X irons longer than the others. Significantly more rounds and range sessions.  I believe that this accounts for the greater number of on-target with the RAZR X irons.  Although, I was able to bust out a few wild ones with these as well.

:: I was surprised at the similarity in distances. Based upon the loft numbers, I thought that the RAZR X Tours would be a lot shorter than the other two.  The 5 iron distance for the Tours was very surprising, especially as this was the last set of balls that I hit.  Maybe I was tired enough to swing easy.  I do remember that hitting the Tour 5 iron just felt good.

:: Ball flight for the RAZR X and RAZR X Tour irons was straighter overall. The RAZR X tended to deliver more of a draw, with the Tours oscillating between draw and fade.  The Razr X Blacks delivered sweeping right to left nearly every time, moving far more than the other two.

On the Course

As expected, the best on course performance has come from the RAZR X irons.  Once again, I point to the simple fact that I have played more rounds with them being likely responsible for the difference.  That being said, there were some definite play trends with the various sets.

:: The RAZR X Blacks heading lefts on the range also occurred on the course. However, most of the time the ball flight was more controllable than on the range. Perhaps this is a mats vs. grass thing, or maybe I just have a different swing on the course than on the range.  Whatever the case, ball flight definitely meandered away from hook towards draw on the course.

:: Turf interaction seems to be the best with the RAZR X irons. With the Tours, I seemed to be more prone to the occasional toe-to-toe divot.  I know that the club is not responsible for the digging, especially when I compare the bounce numbers with the other irons.  Maybe it is a psychological thing.  Which brings us to…

:: My on course confidence definitely resides with the RAZR X irons. They are the well worn in shoe, of course.  The Blacks definitely came in second.  I played the worst rounds with the Tours, and I think that it is likely due to the “Tour” label inspiring fear rather than confidence.  I think that it is in my head that they are too “hard” for me to hit, and so I hit them poorly.  The funny thing is that I have had great range sessions with these irons, even the data in this article makes me think I could play them.  I’ll take them out again, I know.  Maybe this time they won’t break my heart…

:: I fell in love with the RAZR X Black lob wedge. What a huge beast of a club!  Sure, it is darker and more massive than many black holes, but based upon where the ball ends up, it is my favorite club in the set.  The lob is amazing for those short chips around the green and little pitch shots.  Full shots got a bit lefty again, but man do I like this club.  It actually inspired me to order the RAZR X lob.

:: The Tours probably are the set with the best instructional feedback, i.e. they let you know when you have missed the sweet spot. The other two sets are not as strong in this area, but definitely perform better with off center hits.  If you only care where the ball ends up, this feedback may not be important.  As I try to improve my game, I appreciate the feedback as I then know more about why I missed.  However, the loss of forgiveness leads to some frustrating golf shots.

:: Play characteristics aside, the black finish on the RAZR X Black irons is surprisingly durable. I beat on these irons and the finish is still going strong.  The finish has even survived the occasional ball off the toe, something I could not say about my old black Burner 2.0 iron’s finish.

And the Winner Is:  Callaway RAZR X Irons

I know that you are stunned.  I really thought that the RAZR X Black irons would be the set for me as they were marketed to fall in between the RAZR X and the RAZR X Tour in the handicap range.  I found that they may actually be a bit more forgiving/assisting than the RAZR X, especially if one is fighting the rights rather than the lefts.  I really want to play the Tours, but I want the scores that I get when I play the non-tour RAZR X.  Why do I even consider this Tour torture?  Perhaps I have bought into the anti-potato masher/cool kids play blades mentality.  Why else would I want an iron that makes the game more difficult for me?  Maybe playing the Tours would mean that my game has progressed to the next level.  When I was fit for the Tours back in January, we did see them as the iron that my game would play into eventually.  I guess that I am just not quite there yet.  Hopefully soon.

And then there’s the driver…

By The Way

While I realize that some of you may be shutting down your golf seasons, now is actually a great time to pick up gear as shops clear the stock for the 2013 season.  Case in point, you can now find these three iron sets at your local shop or Callaway’s Online Shop for hundreds off of their original retail prices.

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      Sulley

      11 years ago

      Wow!! Where did you get that Man-United head cover??

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      GolfSpy Dave

      11 years ago

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      Curtis

      11 years ago

      Great article. Very appropriate timing for me…

      I recently got back into golf after a 20-year hiatus (raising my girls). This article touches my exact dilemma… What irons should I buy. Added to the normal issues (plethora of brands and choices within brands), technology has come a long way in the last 20 years (I would have never considered a graphite shaft back in the day, but now…).

      I initially thought the Calloway Razr Blacks (name, looks, and GD Gold award pointed me there initially). Unfortunately, I live where it’s hard to get a chance to try very many products, especially this late in the season where most demo clubs have been sold. Only Razr I could try was the X HL, and getting loft is not an issue for me. In fact, living in windy Idaho, my loft without assist isn’t exactly helpful.

      The best of the clubs I’ve got a chance to demo (all 6-7 irons), are the Cobra Amps. My dilemma is this: Should I buy the AMP steel, or graphite (love the black shafts), should I buy the Amp forged (I’m not intimidated by forged, having never played anything else until now, lol). Or, should I wait for the new Amp cell or cell pros? I like the sound of the Amp cell Pros, but I like the close out prices that are popping up on the 2012 offerings. See my decision dilemma?

      Oh, for anyone helpfully replying, my handicap is very high right now (somehow found a nasty push-slice in my years off that I never had in my 20s). I believe I’m casting and coming in too steep an angle, with the occasional off-balance thrown in just to make it harder to diagnose. But I anticipate by mid-summer next year to be busting 80 again. I’m 6’4″ tall, athletic (played point guard in college basketball), high swing speed (according to a local PGA pro – we don’t have anything near here to measure it) and very motivated and dedicated to get my game back. While I don’t want to be overly frustrated by going forged right away, I’d hate to have to buy a second set of irons next summer to keep up with my (anticipated) returning skill-set. The only way I don’t get better is if I quit trying or if my slightly lessened flexibility is causing it (still easily make 90° shoulder turns, just harder to keep my back straight when bending over short irons).

      Any suggestions? All advice from folks who have been playing through the GI club craze I missed the start of are very welcome.

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      Rev Kev

      11 years ago

      This is more a for Dave thing than anything else. I know this was a test but do you realize that you hit the green more with your 5 iron than your wedge?

      If that’s normal I’d say that’s a lower scoring opportunity for you. I’d be happy with your five iron results – really great job there – but the wedge? I’d think you’d want to get to where you are hitting the green 90 percent of the time from 117 and if you’re not a gripped down 9 iron might be the better play for you.

      Just a thought – I know it’s not the intent of the blog but what the hey – if we have guys commenting on drivers in a blog about irons we might just as well comment about game improvement too. :)

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      dan

      12 years ago

      Talking about drivers. I chose the I20 over the G20. I hit it down the middle with a draw, fade or just straight on every hole for 6 rounds but lost 20-30 yards from my old driver. Old driver was all over the place. I20 was 270-280 with a few odd ball 300-330 drives added in. G20 had more pop but didn’t give the confidence of down the middle the i20 did. Test drove the new Adams 12 LS with X stiff shaft and gained the 30-40 yards back and down the middle 8 out of 10 times. Who wants to buy my I20 8.5?

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      JesseV

      12 years ago

      When I first started out I played a few different beginner sets and then moved to several other sets of irons. Then I purchased a set of Cleveland TA7’s when they first came out. I loved those irons and then one day traded them in for a different set of irons from a Big Name Manufacturer.

      I wish I had never traded those TA7’s for the irons I did. That was a mistake and I feel a mistake that set my game back years.

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      JesseV

      12 years ago

      I have one question…

      Are those shovels or golf clubs?

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      Tyk

      12 years ago

      My take is that I do kind of prefer clubs that might be just a bit “better” than I feel my ability is. I don’t want something that intimidates me, but I prefer something that kind of gets my attention, that makes me think “oh, yeah, pay attention, you want to hit this flush. . .”

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      D.Ronsky

      12 years ago

      Great article, i think that the mental games really get to people when ever companies label something a “tour” iron. I always remember when a customer would have a completely different opinion on a club just because it was labeled “Tour”, which i think is a big misconception because then they buy the wrong club for their game.

      I also just wanted to bring up playing into clubs, for example last summer i was playing Adams CB2 stiff’s i am a decent golfer but i decided to spend more time at the range and really improve (went from 18-20 handicap to a 10) And then i had an opportunity to buy new clubs and i decided to upgrade to MB2 XS and learn to play into these clubs. I love my MB2’s much more than the CB2’s much better fit for me. But this may be just because i am a poor university student but i think most people don’t have the ability to buy new clubs every year, so i am wondering what does MyGolfSpy think about playing into clubs?

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      GolfSpy Matt

      12 years ago

      D.Ronsky,

      Good question, and probably one that should get its own discussion/article. Short answer: it’s your game, do what you want. If you feel like blades will help you get better, cool, do it.

      Best,

      Matt

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      Tyk

      12 years ago

      Good article! I think all of us “gear-heads” are always second guessing ourselves and always wondering if a change was the right thing, and if another change will get us closer to “perfect”.

      I have had a bit of the same problem from the other side with my irons. I am still gaming some Cleveland Reds from 4 seasons ago. I have been looking for new irons for two years, and I have not found a club that I hit better than my Clevelands. “So, what’s the problem?” is the reasonable question. The problem is that these clevelands are just some clubs that I bought on the cheap from a friend that won them. They were a reasonable choice, a slightly more player’s oriented club than my previous TA-7s and the DG X300 shafts fall right in my wheelhouse. But, it is pretty inconceivable to me that I just lucked into an iron that fits me as well as anything else out there! I’ve learned so much about club design and shafts since I’ve been here and I want to try to put that knowledge to use to get myself into the best setup for me, but at the end of the day I’m always looking down at these Clevelands wondering why I’m looking at all!

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      Rev Kev

      12 years ago

      Sometimes it’s a matter of familiarity Tyk – you are going to hit the clubs that you are more familiar with better than the ones you are less familiar with. I think that’s always the case with irons where distance is not a major factor.

      If I were playing with an old persimmon driver I could gain 40 yards with a fitting so I’d immediately want to switch to the new one – not so irons – who cares if I’m 10 or 12 yards longer with iron A over iron B – there are other factors involved – accuracy, consistency, ball flight – it all goes into it.

      Seems to me that when it comes to irons if it’s not broke, don’t fix it. I’m learning this the hard way right now.

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      Tyk

      12 years ago

      Yeah, but that familiarity can also hold us back. It is pretty unreasonable to expect to pick up a demo club and hit it better than your current set isn’t it? So we’re left trying to analyze the variables. Yeah, I don’t hit this new one as well, but I’m not used to it. I think that it SHOULD suit me better than what I have once I do get used to it, but how can I know until I bite the bullet? I really do mostly think that most of us can play to roughly the same ability no matter what irons we use, barring doing something truly foolish. Like, I shouldn’t put senior flex graphite shafts in my irons. I could learn to play them, but why would I fight that, it wouldn’t make sense. But really, if I chose my Clevelands, or some MP-59s, with DG300s, or KBS Tour 90s. . .I mean, theres going to be differences, I’ll prefer one over the other, but if you just gave me those in any combination and said “you’re playing this for 3 years, deal with it”, I’d probably be playing at whatever level my practice and playing frequency would have one expect.

      Rev Kev

      12 years ago

      I do realize that I view this differently from many. The lowest round that I ever shot, 66, was with a set of Ping Eye 2’s. I’m still wondering why I ever took those out of play but I did. I’ve shot in the 60’s a number of times with the Nicklaus Progressives that I currently own. What am I gaining by changing irons?

      Ultimately can’t I change ball flight, spin, etc by keeping the same irons and changing the shaft? If I really were concerned about curving the ball I’d stop fooling around and go back to tour balatas – they spun and curved and jerked backwards fine – I’d be nuts to do it but you get the point.

      I don’t see how I get “better” by playing “up” a set of irons. I’ve read that on the forum and out here a few times – I’m going to start a thread on it on the inside and I’m going to listen intently to the answers to see if one makes sense.

      I say use the iron that you believe you’ll hit the best – I do agree that you shouldn’t do something crazy like have a tour stiff shaft when your swing speed is south of 80 with the 6 iron or an A flex when you swing it 95.

      Scott Messner

      12 years ago

      Thanks for the detailed post Dave. Is it just me or does it seems the blacks were a bit all over the place on the spray charts compared with the other two? Could be a case of playing more with the X’s.

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      GolfSpy Dave

      12 years ago

      I think that the number of rounds with the X’s definitely is a factor. The irony is that I played the Blacks exclusively for about 2.5 months over the summer before this test was done. Definitely more rounds in those than the Tours, but I still feel like the Tours are a better fit than the Black.

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      David W

      12 years ago

      Whoa Nellie, you are exactly right. My buddy used to be a PGA pro (still plays to a positive handicap) and he and I both love my G20. We were at the range the other day and hit the new Anser driver. We both thought it lacks a lot of pop compared to my G20. Ball just doesn’t jump off the face yet it’s the new big thing from Ping.

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      David W

      12 years ago

      I have a buddy that was recently fitted for a driver. He hit all the new ones available and ended up with the G20 9.5 with tour stiff shaft. He hit it great for his first couple of rounds and then for two or three rounds his entire swing was off (not just the driver). However, he blamed all his woes on the driver and traded it (and more money) for a new Cobra Amp 10.5 with a standard stiff shaft. He hits it straight up into air and is losing 20 to 40 yards easy from what he was hitting the G20. Moral of the story, don’t jump to conclusions about your equipment, we are amateurs, our swings are not exactly the same every time we play. Also, it doesn’t hurt to try out clubs on two or three different days to see if the same clubs turn out to be the best for you each time before you get fitted.

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      Whoa Nellie

      12 years ago

      In spite of what the OEMs want us to believe, the new big thing is not always the best thing. I’m wondering if Mashie irons might not have been better for me than Razr X HLs. But, not that big a financial consideration when 7 is longest iron in the bag.

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      Ice

      12 years ago

      Xs all day long for you. Good choice.

      Every time I buy a club I feel this way.

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      Hula_Rock

      12 years ago

      Great Write Up! I too find myself “pondering” if you will, about the same thing and often pull the “switch-a-roo” between my VR Pro Combos and SlingShot Tours. “Mental ?” Maybe, I just find that it helps that if the game goes in the dirt, switching to the SS tours brings out the “A” game. I find my self doing it the same thing with putters……..

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      Rev Kev

      12 years ago

      What a relevent article for me. You failed to add one more dimension into the mix Dave – shaft – what difference would a different shaft have made in your results?

      If you wanted the tours would a different shaft have helped a bit with your results?

      That’s the “buyers remorse” that I’m struggling with at this time. Did I make the right decision for my game by returning to steel from graphtie? Yes a two hour fitting said I should be using steel but nearly three weeks on the course is making me wonder.

      I’m not as big into the feel feedback as others – I can see from the results what my misses are and then have someone video my swing to verify what I’m thinking –

      In life I’m a process oriented guy – In golf I’m totally results oriented – what is this thing going to do on the course? That’s always the question for me.

      Thanks for sowing even more doubt in my mind. :)

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      GolfSpy Dave

      12 years ago

      You are welcome :/
      Thanks to you for making me wonder about the shafts. That seemed to be the one constant. Sounds like a good excuse to make a trip to Carlsbad in 2013 :)

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      Rev Kev

      12 years ago

      Maybe we can go together – what’s a good date. :)

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