Taylormade Releases Clubs – Golfers Piss Their Pants!
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Taylormade Releases Clubs – Golfers Piss Their Pants!

Taylormade Releases Clubs – Golfers Piss Their Pants!

Taylormade Does It Again!

(WRITTEN BY: GOLFSPY_T) Yesterday’s non-release of info about TaylorMade’s 2012 Equipment lineup was yet another example of the TaylorMade marketing machine doing what TaylorMade does best. Despite TM not confirming anything, plenty of media sites (both large and small) ran with eerily similar information, and in some cases the same photos (it’s as if all of it had been provided by the same source – weird right?). Even as some of the sites they more or less pay to say nice things about their products were dedicating large portions of their front pages to the new product lines, TM Carlsbad played coy about the info, even tweeting this little gem:

We’re waiting until tomorrow to confirm #TM2012 products but it’s tough; we are VERY excited. Thanks for all your tweets & comments #TM2012

This morning, as the “official” info started hitting my mailbox. The benefit of following up an official non-release with a day of actual releases became apparent; you get twice the saturation, and twice the coverage.

Never Forget To Read The * In Claims

I suppose not surprisingly, the bulk of the coverage isn’t around the R11’s (a slightly tweaked version of the original – more on that in a bit), the hot “news” is centered around the new Taylormade RocketBallz fairway wood. In cased you somehow missed it during the marketing onslaught, the new RBZ, which in key aspects bears an uncomfortable resemblance to the last 2 generations of Adams fairway woods, is 17 yards longer than the previous Burner fairway…or so says TaylorMade.

Here’s the quote from the presser:

  • RocketBallz Fairway Woods Promote up to 17 Additional Yards. Really.
  • RocketBallz fairway woods combine RocketBallz technology with increased face size, low CG location, advanced playability features and a lightweight shaft and grip. The combination of these elements promotes a remarkable increase in distance – better players will gain up to 17 yards.*

Now be sure to pay very, very close attention to that asterisk right there, because the fine print it references is a bitch.

* better player claim against Burner 11 Fairway, robot testing at 150 mph ball speed, total distance.

Are We Robots?

First of all, humans aren’t robots, but that’s a debate for another day. Here’s the other extremely important reality; the overwhelming majority of golfers are incapable of generating 150MPH of ball speed with a driver, let alone a fairway wood. In fact, based on our own testing with fairway woods, our testers (who as a group tend to generate above average club head speed), generate an average of 130-135MPH worth of ball speed with a 3 wood.

Granted, it’s probably marketing 101, but doesn’t it strike you as a bit disingenuous to advertise improvements that 95%+ of your potential customers will never realize? For me this is yet further proof that fluff sells over substance, and golfers are willing to believe just about anything. Can you really fault TaylorMade for playing to our weaknesses?

“If I’m wrong I’ll shave a TaylorMade logo into my head…”

Now, I’m not suggesting that golfers won’t see some improvement over the previous Burner. I mean, the Adams fairways are known to be among the longest on the market today, and well, if it looks like a duck… But if you’re honestly telling me that the average golfer is going to pick up anything close to 17 yards…well, I’m politely asking you to prove it.

“If I’m wrong I’ll shave a TaylorMade logo into my head and dye what little hair I have left green to match the revolutionary new accent color of the RBZ.”

Adjustable Sole Plates (or ASP) is Pointless

The other significant news from yesterday’s non-release (and today’s actual release) is the long awaited announcement of the follow up last year’s STOOPID successful R11 driver. I don’t have any inside information, but if I were a betting man, I’d wager that the new Taylormade R11S was originally scheduled to be released mid-summer/early fall 2011, but when R11 sales destroyed every reasonable expectation, TaylorMade did something very uncharacteristic; they did nothing.

While there are some tweaks or “improvements” as some might call them, the R11S (note, it’s not the R12) offers what I consider to be slight evolutionary improvements. I don’t believe that even TaylorMade would argue that it is a revolutionary product.

In my opinion, the only significant change (at least where adjustability is concerned) is the increased change in loft realized by the hosel-based Flight Control Technology. The R11S, now allows for 1.5 degrees of adjustablility in both directions. While I can say with almost certainty that most golfers would be best served finding their ideal setting and leaving it, there is something to be said for having the option to make changes as your swing changes or as course conditions dictate.

While you could make an argument that the Titleist system is more practical, the Cobra system easier to use, or that Callaway’s new system shows more promise, I’m inclined to say, for now anyway, TaylorMade’s implementation is at the top.

I’ve said from day 1 that TaylorMade’s Adjustable Sole Plate (or ASP) is pointless. Sure, it looks nifty. It’s one more thing you can use your TaylorMade wrench on, and it reads brilliantly on paper, but the thing about any sole modification is that to truly be effective it requires turf interaction. For ASP to work, not only do you need to begin your swing with the sole of your driver firmly on the ground, you would need to return it to that same grounded position at impact. Full disclosure, I’m no Hank Haney, but bottom line, if you’re making contact with the turf with your driver, well, simply put, you’re doing it wrong.

Granted, if you’re the Sergio Garcia type who occasionally will play his driver off the deck, then ok, it matters. Otherwise, it’s basically pointless. Shiny and red, but pointless.

Golf Industry (vs) Auto Industry

Now sure, the auto industry is notorious for releasing new models year after year, offering little more by way of improvement than chrome accents on the radio dials, but ASP wasn’t that. From a functionality standpoint it’s more akin to adding a 5th wheel and arguing that it offers a 20% improvement in handling. In the R11S TaylorMade is giving you two additional settings, which I guess is like putting mag wheels with spinners on your superfluous 5th wheel. We all want that right? Improvements made to nearly pointless “technology” are nearly pointless.

Fluff (vs) Substance

Moveable Weight Technology remains unchanged in the R11S, and while I’ve yet to see any real evidence that MWT alone can impact ball flight whatsoever, it remains a big selling point. Again, it’s fun to play with, but there’s not much substance to it. Now certainly there are some actual benefits to Moveable Weight Technology, the kind of stuff that actually could matter to the average golfer, but since TaylorMade isn’t talking about them, I’m not going to do their work for them. But if you believe moving around a tiny percentage of overall club mass is going to impact meaningful change on your ball flight, I have a lovely bridge you might be interested…and it’s adjustable (it’s a drawbridge).

Finally, once the wrench is out of your hands, the R11S offers a couple of other enhancements and tweaks over the original. First, they’ve bumped the head volume up to 460cc. Given TaylorMade’s history of launching smaller drivers in the Spring and their 460cc counterparts later in the year, this also adds to my speculation that the R11S was originally planned for a 2011 release.

460cc in an of itself is neither good nor bad. If you prefer larger heads it’s good. If you perfer smaller ones, it’s bad.

Finally, TaylorMade boasts of refined aerodynamics in the R11S. As with the RocketBallz Fairway wood, the more scooped out sole shaping is, to my eye, eerily similar to that of the Adams Speedline series (particularly the 9064 and 9088 series). Those similar designs have produced some of the fastest ball speeds among the drivers we’ve tested, so it’s reasonable to assume that if TaylorMade has borrowed a page from somebody else’s playbook, the R11S may prove to be longer than the original.

Look, my intent isn’t to tear the new TaylorMade lineup apart. Golf companies “borrow” from each other all the time, and there’s a finite amount of ground-breaking left to be done. Based on my own experience with the original R11, I’m confident that #TM2012 will prove to be as good as just about anything else on the market, but I don’t expect we’ll see anything truly spectacular either. If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it, and the first to recommend you go try the new stuff for yourself. But the story here isn’t the clubs. The most interesting aspect of the new release can be found in the marketing itself.

TaylorMade Releases Stuff and the Sheep Come Running…

The lessons learned from yesterday’s non-release are as obvious as they are disappointing. TaylorMade once again proved it is without question the biggest name in golf; the Shepard of the golf industry…and well, what’s a shepard without sheep? Don’t bother answering that. We also learned that when the Shepard wears Adidas, the flock’s numbers will be strong, and yesterday they came out full force with tails wagging.

The disproportionate interest (at least when compared to real-world benefits) also serves as further proof that the perception of “new technology” is more than enough to overpower the actual reality, and that there’s no easier way to sell a wood than to stamp “TM” on the sole plate (adjustable or otherwise). What I find sad is the number of golfers already expressing an extreme desire to put the R11s or RocketBallz in their bags.

Who Buys a Club Without Trying it First? Turns Out, A Lot Of People Do

It’s one thing to be excited about the release of a new club. Hell, if I’m being on honest, I’m a little excited.  I’m looking forward to checking out the R11’s and RocketBallz fairway, and the new supposedly ground-breaking wedges (that one hasn’t been announced, or even non-announced yet), but being curious, and buying without taking so much as a swing are two different things. It disappoints me that so many golfers are going to pre-order something from #TM2012 (and I can promise you pre-orders will be strong), and otherwise buy sight unseen. How can one say something like “these are the best clubs ever, I can’t wait to buy them”, when 99.9% of golfers haven’t taken so much as a swing. Who buys a club without trying it first? Baaah, Baaah (and other assorted sheep noises).

If the so called objective media wants to roll out the red carpet and treat every TaylorMade release with the same open arms with which a  pre-teen girl would welcome Justin Bieber that’s one thing, but as golfing consumers we all need to spend more time reading the fine print, and differentiating between what’s real, and what’s little more than eye-candy coated in gooey marketing speak.  Do me a favor, tone down the excitement a notch.

You want to get excited…the next time one of the little guys puts out a press release, read it…read it good. There’s a good chance it will offer you a glimpse into what the big guys will be working on next year.

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      frank g

      12 years ago

      My comment here is one of pure esthetics. I would never put a big bertha, sasquatch, or rocketballz in my bag period, whatever it did. I do like that all the ’09 Titaniums are now easily available & cheap to buy and try. I’ve always liked TaylorMade till this, and for pure esthetic reasons I am buying Titleist. It’s just a class act with minimal hype, and proven performance, and I won’t feel silly with having “rocket ballz, pink ballz or blue ballz”

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      fabien

      12 years ago

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      C.Evans

      12 years ago

      So, Tony, did you piss your pants as they were shaving your head? Hey, least you didn’t offer to eat your hat.

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      Conrad Glewicz

      12 years ago

      Buyer beware; like Mr. Hogan said, “The secret is in the dirt”, maybe, these manufacturers should start selling dirt…

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      Mike

      12 years ago

      Hi
      A good article for the festive season but who gives a rats XXXX about the content if you buy without trying your dumb.

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      AndyS

      12 years ago

      The best part about the +17 yard gains is the sanity check provided by TM in its own marketing videos. They admit that (assuming the slot technology produces maximum COR) that all they’ve done is to produce a maximum COR effect out of STEEL for the first time, which had ALWAYS been possible with TITANIUM at a higher cost (please excuse the caps – meant for emphasis rather than shouting). This isn’t my view… It’s TaylorMade’s! So, assuming all marketing claims are accurate, this is not a performance breakthrough, but a ‘performance at a given price point / margin’ breakthrough. I’ll ignore that Nike and Adams already had this ‘breakthrough’, or that Adams even has a titanium version of its club, because that’s not where I am going here. My point is, if Dustin Johnson was truly blown away by the performance of this ‘maximum COR using steel’ technology, does that mean he had never ever tried a titanium fairway wood before? I personally find this difficult or impossible to imagine. Maybe other people find this totally believable, but sorry, I don’t. How would that conversation go? “Hey, should we give Dustin a titanium fairway wood, since it would perform better than our current steel fairway woods?” “No way, man! A titanium club would cost, like, three hundred bucks to make. I mean, look at the cost of Tour Exotics fairways! Let’s just let him play steel fairways, and hopefully we’ll eventually work out a way to make a steel fairway with the same COR as a titanium fairway.” Seriously, the ‘facts’ just don’t add up for me here. This is not ‘hating’. It’s simply questioning the information provided.

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      Matt

      12 years ago

      Haters in the building! Seriously guys this is starting to resemble a Microsoft forum after Apple launches a product…”long live the Zune!!”

      To start off, criticizing Taylormade for using a competitors technology is laughable. First off the look and design are far superior to that of Adams and secondly take a quick look around the industry at other drivers and see what Taylormade technology they are ALL now using. Moveable weights, adjustable shafts, etc. Side note good to see Callaway is joining the adjustability party(although a little late).

      Your ASP criticism only clearly shows a lack of understanding of the technology. Set an R11 to “open” and see what it looks like at address and then set it to “closed” and compare the two. If I have a hook problem I don’t want to be looking down at a closed face and previously you could only adjust face angle while manipulating loft, the R11 solves this problem.

      Marketing…..last year Taylormade said nothing in regards to performance and what others where doing, they left this to Callaway. They left the consumer with a simple message…”one of these is not like the other.” I guess that went over pretty well. As for RBZ, I’m with you, not a fan of the name but then again the “BIg Bertha” revolutionized the industry in the 90’s so what’s in a name.

      What critics write a scathing article before trying a product? Well you do of course and the only sheep I see are the blind followers on this forum.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Matt – Don’t get me wrong, I almost always enjoy hearing from polite people with differing view points, but let’s take this point by point:

      I’m not sure your Microsoft/Apple comparison works here…MyGolfSpy does not compete with TaylorMade…and besides, even Microsoft guys know the Zune sucks, but I get your point.

      I find it somewhat hypocritical that you criticize me for taking aim at the RocketBallz (incidentally, I’m one of the few who thinks the name is brilliant), when in nearly the same breath you suggest that it’s superior to the Adams clubs using technology that is brand new to TaylorMade. Have you tried personally tried them both? I made no absolute performance claims whatsoever, I just pointed out that TM’s new technology is old technology to Nike and Adams. Equally hypocritical is that you praise TaylorMade for pioneering MWT, Adjustable shafts (they weren’t the first), and ASP, while branding others who have added adjustability to their lineup as followers. And yet, when the same standard is applied to TaylorMade (slot technology) you seem not to see that it’s basically TaylorMade following the industry (Nike, Adams). Point is, it works in all directions. Everyone “borrows” from everyone else. On some things TaylorMade is a leader, on others a follower. The same is true of almost all of the big OEMs.

      More to the point, however, while I certainly questioned the +17 yard claim (not the validity, but rather the practicality as it applies to the ball speed generated by the average golfer), my article was not about performance. That said, while I would agree TaylorMade makes a visually appealing driver, with respect to performance, it’s tough to make a legitimate case that TaylorMade Drivers outperform Adams drivers. Are there more moving points to play with, yup…but in and of itself it is proof of little where performance is concerned. But again, the article wasn’t about performance, it was about marketing, and how golfers and the media respond to it. TaylorMade outspends everyone (and kudos to them, they’re on top and should do whatever the can to stay there), but while still reserving judgement on the RBZ, if you think TaylorMade clubs with FCT, ASP, MWT, and whatever else actually outperform the industry as a whole you’re fooling yourself. The dirty little secret none of the equipment manufacturers wants you to know is that with all the USGA regulations, with very few exceptions good or bad, everything is almost all the same.

      As to ASP, the idea that it somehow manipulates loft is a fallacy. I’ll give you that it alters visual perceptions of a soled club (and that likely has value to some), however, so does adjusting my grip in either direction. Many, many golfers do not sole their driver, in which case ASP has no impact. My argument is simply this: If I hold the club straight out in front of me, and move the sole plate from neutral to open, actual loft does not change. If I move it to closed, actual loft does not change. If I remove the sole plate entirely and replace it with a chewing gum, loft is unchanged. “At Address” as you call it only works if you sole the club, otherwise 0 change is impacted by ASP.

      Finally…I made no criticisms of performance (and I didn’t think what I wrote was all that scathing). Yup, I took issue with marketing, and suggested that technologies (all of which I’ve actually used) aren’t all they’re cracked up to be (that’s my opinion, I respect that you disagree). Your final two sentences, however; basically make my point for me…who comes out in rabid defense of a product he’s never tried? Somebody who either works for the company, or who has been all but completely brandwashed.

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      Bob

      12 years ago

      My guess is they’ve lengtened the shaft again. A very good golfer probably can hit a 44 inch 3W a lot longer. Give me another 17 yards and I won’t need a driver anymore.

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      Dan

      12 years ago

      Shepherd. Sorry to be the smartass but TaylorMade is a f**** joke

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Thanx…my frickin spell check is down & my inability to get through a commentary with out a misspelling is a tad too much too ask..I couldn’t agree more regarding TM…Have a great Holiday season…Fairways & Greens 4ever…..

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      Tim

      12 years ago

      my wife just saw the RocketBallz video of Dustin Johnson hitting the 3 wood… she had no clue what it was about, when the name came up at the end, she laughed, and said “RocketBallz…. really?”

      And then made a “That’s what she said” joke…

      So, is it a proud thing to slay one of these clubs and bring it home and brag about it to your wife? or do you come home and tell her you bought the RBZ club?

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      Reg

      12 years ago

      Forgot to add a comment about the name. It’s awful, does anyone else think it’s the kind of name a clone company would use?

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      Reg

      12 years ago

      Ha, great read, love the photo. I agree with pretty much everything you said, I don’t get the hype. Copying Adams then saying your club is better is quite amazing. Surely people realise that after all these years of being promised 5-10+ yards every year it’s not real, otherwise we would all be hitting 400y, even those with 80mph swing.

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      Jerry Foley

      12 years ago

      We golfers are enamored with our tour heros and that is understandable. The assumption has always been that a tour player wouldn’t jeopardize winning prize money by playing inferior equipment. But I suspect the tour player has different objectives in selection of gear than the rest of us do. These guys don’t want to just hit the ball longer. They want better ball control and consistency. After all, how many par 5’s are beyond Dustin Johnson’s reach anyway? What strikes me is how many of these guys are trying out the Harrison shafts? You might think having tighter shot dispersion off the tee would be appealing. But then what becomes of sidespin if the player wants to “shape” his shot? Harrison says it reduces sidespin up to 30%. That might be good for you and me but when Dustin wants to hit a draw or fade on a dogleg what affect does that have on his swing? New technology drivers and balls spin dramatically less than in the old days. And if the USGA doesn’t stop monkeying with groove reg’s balls will ultimately only go straight or at least “where” aimed. The manufacturers have somewhat bastardized the game because while some of us appreciate game improvement technology tour pros and better am’s are forcing golf courses to alter their architecture and charm because the bombers are making them look easy. We may be approaching the time for a two-tiered equipment solution. One for pros and one for the rest of us.

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      Anon

      12 years ago

      There is one glaring positive, and that’s the price point. $299 for a driver with adjustability is a nice option from Taylormade. The problem I have is that MGS’ issues with Taylormade are very well documented and any “reviews” or “posts” about them here seems to be littered with tones of frustration. I have a hard time not thinking that this article was written with nothing but hurtful and malicious intentions. It’s ok though, it’s your website and you can write in order to push whatever agenda it is you believe in.

      A while back you wrote a 2 or 3 part series about the way that other media outlets (other golf forums in particular) test/review gear. It was full of posturing and intent to discredit the way in which those other outlets go about their business. Ever since I read that series I’ve kind of been bitter about the tone here and this article really is no different.

      You are entitled to your opinions, that’s for sure. And I’m not here to agrue with your stance but I’m just telling you that from my perspective and from my time reading reviews and articles here, this one wreaks of malice, and not really anything to do with the actual clubs themself.

      TMag recently showcased some videos of Dustin Johnson testing the RBZ fwy wood and the R11S driver. Based on the numbers provided, it looked like the ASP played a role in the outcome of his shots. Based on my personal experience with the ASP, it plays a role in my numbers as well. I’m not necessarily a fan of the ASP, as I believe it gathers crap and scratches to easily, and I’m OCD about my gear. I know longer play the R11 b/c quite frankly, it isn’t the best driver for my game but the ASP does effect hard numbers and to say it doesn’t is false based on my experiences with a Vector.

      At any rate, what you wrote here really doesn’t do anything for me as a consumer looking for information about new release gear. Instead, it’s full of politics and that’s not why I come here.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      As I’ve admitted in a previous comment we are sometimes overly aggressive in our approach. And as I also admitted, I am frustrated, though not with TaylorMade. They’re in the business of selling clubs, and their marketing succeeds at that goal.

      My issue is that nearly everyone, big media, small media, and everyone in-between treats a press release as a cause for celebration, and the “coverage” is little more than a rehashing the OEMs talking points. Where is the critical analysis? It’s possible that most in the industry think every piece of equipment that crosses their desk is awesome, but that’s hard to believe.

      I get it. You get excited by new equipment. I get excited by new equipment. Everyone gets excited. Thing is there are plenty of places where you can go to get a happy fix of new gear. There’s no real need for us to add to it.

      Regarding our 3 part series. I wasn’t suggesting that anyone who does things differently is evil, or wrong. Being different is what creates space for all of us. But again, I believe golfers should be consciously aware of that fact that paychecks are possible largely because of big OEM ad dollars. When that’s the case it absolutely impacts objectivity. Nothing about that is meant to suggest the other guys don’t work hard or do good work.

      Regarding ASP and MWT. As I said, I haven’t seen it, but I’m ALWAYS open to being proven wrong.

      I would agree though…$299 is a good price, but what if golf companies cut back on the marketing and paid sponsors (Dustin Johnson and his RBZ)…wouldn’t $199, or $249 be an even better price?

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      If it’s information derived from objective, unbiased reviews that you seek, then stick to the reviews section of the MGS site…That’s the great thing about this site, You don’t have to sift through everything to get to your desired point(s) of interest..I take it that you peruse this site for pleasure & to relax..If an opinion piece such as this article, or any of the others for that matter, cause you to be “bitter,” maybe you should skip over them..And if something as benign as that 3 part series causes an emotion as strong as “bitterness,” may I suggest that you have issues that run much deeper than, & have nothing to do with, MGS’s(or any of their “spys”) editorial position(s)…Regarding ASP, it’s effect is visual..Nothing more..TM even says as much..Can that visual observation, through neuro processing, effect the numbers, whether they be yours or Dustin Johnson’s?..Absolutely..But it’s visual…Regarding ASP, I obviously cannot speak for GS T, though I didn’t take his ASP comments to mean that ASP doesn’t effect the numbers, but to show that unlike the FCT(Flight Control Technology), which obviously mechanically opens/closes the face(& effects the loft), the ASP does nothing..nothing..And it’s not like GS T is spouting off garbage w/malicious intent…He’s just stating a fact..A fact that TM also states…Remember..This all is for relaxation & pleasure..Your boss telling you on Friday December 23rd that your employment is terminated effective January 2nd..That’s cause for bitterness..Some schmuck sleeping with your wife/girlfriend…Yep, bitterness…But a differing of opinion on what’s basically an editorial piece on a friggin golf site?..Nuff said…The best to ya…Have a good holiday season….Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      AndyS

      12 years ago

      No haters here, Snoop. Personally, a lot of my golf clothes are Adidas, because I think Adidas makes a good quality product. I also use Pentas as both my practice and round balls, primarily because I love the low flight they give me on pitches. This thread, which started off with a brilliant and refreshing article on the more ridiculous aspects of marketing hype, merely contains a wide range of reasoned opinions on all sides of the debate. I’d love to hear your own opinion, preferably in lower case.

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      Jerry Foley

      12 years ago

      About this time a year ago my son and I visited our local Golf Galaxy and demo’s some clubs. I hit two drivers, the then current Adams and the TM. I didn’t note the shafts in either but some interesting data from “their” hitting booth ensued. My swing speed clocked in between 105MPH and 111MPH which varied on how hard I tried to swing. My son clocked in over 116MPH. I believe my swing speed to be closer to 102 during play unless I am on a hole that opens up to a big hit. I hit 15-20 balls with each club and my dispersion variance was fairly close with both clubs. My swing speed was slightly higher with the Adams which makes sense since the shaft was longer. Interestingly I was actually longer with the TM even with a slower swing speed. This didn’t make sense unless the rebound effect from the face technology gave higher ballspeed. “Or” it could have resulted from off-center hits (I didn’t put ball mark tape on either face which is a good idea) I wondered then how would my “old” Callaway perform? I went out to my car and brought it in and hit a few balls. My swing speed was close to the TM but my distance was about 5-7 yds less. Dispersion however was much tighter but I suspect that’s due to familiarity with my club. I started to think about my last round and “where” my drives all landed and wound up relative to position for my second shots. The course I usually play has some landing areas that if I were 5 yards longer would put me in traps or ponds or rough or too close to trees to maneuver my approach shots. I didn’t buy a new driver that day and still hit my older one. Now if buying new irons would give me 5-7 more yards I would consider that purchase since 5-7 yards would step me a club and most would agree hitting one less club is usually an easier shot to make. The point here with any new club purchase is does it make sense and will it improve your game? Hitting the ball deeper in the woods is not the answer.

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      Snoop

      12 years ago

      So many PLAYA HATA here……

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Snoop – You’re more than welcome to comment here anytime, but in the future we do ask that you disclose to our readers that you work for Adidas.

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      AndyS

      12 years ago

      Love the last post. Personally I’ve never bought a club that gave me 20 extra yards, and with the cor restriction on drivers I don’t expext to. It really is down to the physics of both the swing and the club, and the physics of the club are basically limited. My latest driver (910D) gave me some useful adjustability (which I’ll use as my game involves), and consistency/repeatability once I’d found the shaft that best fit my swing… But 20 extra yards?? No way. Not unless I chose a four foot long shaft and altered those physics again.

      Simplest way to put it: if the excited guys who post rave reviews of new drivers (regardless of manufacturer) really gained “20 extra yards” with each yearly driver purchase, then they’d have increased their drives by 200 yards in the past 10 years. C’mon. Reality people. The guys I see on the launch monitors at Golfsmith trying out the latest ‘superlight’ or ‘super fast’ drivers are still spraying it all over the place at about 250 yards. I’ll be sure to let you all know when that changes ;)

      Seriously, dreaming of finding that perfect club that changes everything is something we’ve probably all thought or felt at some time. It’s arguably part of the fun and mystique of golf, and it certainly drives equipment sales, which is no bad thing. But, personally, I try to keep my head out of the clouds as much as I reasonably can and focus on improving my swing.

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      Jerry Foley

      12 years ago

      Whew. Hard to follow all this but from my POV (and my company EvolSwing) the testing we do does not even involve clubs at all. Instead we focus on the golf swing and what factors contribute to improving it. I have preferences in clubs and could argue them here but let’s get some straight talk on physics first…………To hit a ball straight the club must be traveling parallel to the target line at impact with a square club face. Period. To make the ball go a greater distance (if that is desired) the velocity of the club at impact must increase. Now here is where things get dicey. Ball technology and club technology will indeed enhance or compromise distance if they do/don’t “fit” the individual, but more important is swing path and face orientation along with hitting the ball on the sweet spot.

      I go to the trouble of writing this because golfers are always looking for the easy way to improve and they think by buying new clubs their game will automatically improve. If your swing does not resemble a tour player’s swing (minus a few MPH’s) you will not hit it straight. Find a tour player you can mimic (similar physical build) and copy his swing. But take a look on-line on YouTube and concentrate on the club position throughout the swing. Don’t get hung up on body positions. Just try to focus on the swing path and then look carefully at what orientation the club face is on. After a while your eyes will train on just seeing the pro swing as swing path/face position. If you can get “your” club on those two vectors your body positioning will follow. This reverse thought process is called “action-effect hypothesis” and is an accepted method used in advanced science research in kinesiology and other fields.

      Professional golfers swings will “look” somewhat different from one another (think Furyk/Perry/Garcia/Tiger) but once you start focusing on their swing paths and face orientations you realize that although their swing “planes” may differ (upright/flat) they all consistently either keep their club on an orbit that doesn’t vary from plane and the club face is in a square position throughout the swing. (Furyk/Perry/Garcia go off plane but get back on during the downswing) The pro’s swing this way because an on-plane swing is efficient mechanically (fewer moving parts as you simply swing around a fixed axis, i.e. spine) The reason these guys hit the ball over 300 yards is that their swing speed is over 115-130MPH. You can swing out of your socks if you are young enough and maybe reach those speeds but most likely you won’t like where the ball goes and your back will kill you that night. So to approach max ball speed you can hope that buying some new miracle club will work or you can try to learn to make your swing more efficient. I’m not sure how the math works out but if you can improve your swing just a tad those 17 yards might be easier to attain than by buying a new TM. Just sayin’.

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Excellent comment!..So true…..Fairways & Greens 4ever…..

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      Robert

      12 years ago

      Can you spell litigation ? I think there are laws that prohibit design copies aren’t there?

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      Garry

      12 years ago

      I had a chance to hit the line last week. When they say they are longer.. it is no joke. The fairway woods are super hot. I was impressed and I am rarely impressed with any of the OEM’s. The rescues were amazing also.. Driver will be a hit.. The name sucks.. but the clubs are a must try. I tried about every shaft that TM offers(24) So a player will have a great choice of upgrade shafts to choose from. The shafts will be in the OEM’s colors.. not Taylor’s.. now a guy will be able to see what the tour players are hitting for shafts

      The r11 S.. more bells and whistles.. I prefer the RBZ Driver. Great cross between the FCT of the r11 and the hot head of the Burner.. Watch the Oz Masters. Looked like a couple were in play last night.

      Taylor.. get rid of the stupid nickname..

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      WOW!

      12 years ago

      Is there an article on this coming soon (please write it). I read a lot and have not heard this before. I believe it though just from experience.

      mygolfspy December 13, 2011 at 2:56 pm
      “I tested MWT for the past 12 years and other golf club designers have tested MWT well before TM came out with them. And everyone that does design clubs knows you have to move more weight then they allow to do ANYTHING in regards to changing anything on any axis. Believe what you want Colby but MWT does NOTHING. I have seen test after test done with multiple weight config’s, different locations, internal, external…you name it. Unless you are moving 40 grams of weight you really are making no difference. The only driver that ever came out that did was the MagCruzer. With the materials they are currently using they can not get down to the 140 gram base head weight needed to do what they need to do. Some other materials like magnesium and new materials being tested by the military allow it but what TM and others use DOES NOT. So no need to explain MWT to the person that basically invented it. Just ask TM…maybe they will tell you about our meetings…BEFORE they even dreamed of drawing up the MWT driver.”

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Andy – Thanks for the comment. Your last paragraph raises a point I’ve wanted to make, but struggled to articulate for quite sometime now. While it’s true that the golf media isn’t as aggressive as the media in other sports, save the relative kid gloves with which the Tiger scandal was handled (the discussion points have always been less about Tiger’s behavior, and his sham of his public persona, and more about “how long will it take for him to recover”), few seem to realize the absurdity of the industry coverage.

      Whether it’s calling out John Daley for his antics, criticizing Phil for his occasionally questionable decisions on the golf course, or simply letting Johnny Miller be Johnny Miller, we’re in this weird place where it’s not only tolerated, but accepted that journalists will publicly scrutinize golfers, their play, and to an extent their personal lives. That is, in part, what objective media is supposed to do.

      And yet…when we apply the same standards to golf clubs; inanimate objects, things without lives, families, and feelings, so many respond as if what we’re doing is either totally biased, or completely wrong.

      Is the equipment itself the proverbial 3rd rail of the golf industry? You can talk about it, just keep it positive.

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      AndyS

      12 years ago

      I totally get the point of this article, and it honesstly surprises me that some others do not. It’s more of a commentary on the mass’ willingness to accept a manufacturer’s (legitimate) attempt at PR 101 as the release of earth shattering new technology, when it’s obviously not.

      In response to Dave, this is not actualy how every industry works. The golf media has some objectivity to it, but precious little compared to many other industries… The more respected auto journalists will call a spade a spade when the marketing hype of a car isn’t matched by the product. This generally doesn’t happen in the golf media, which generally panders to what the manufacturers tell them. Maybe it’s because golf journalism is less mature… Or just took a different direction?
      Case in point: one of the major mags has a current article on new wedges. Excited, I immediately read it. Two minutes later, after reading about five of the ‘reviews’ I shut the magazine. I’d basically just read ‘grooves cut to the limits of the regulations’, ‘roughened face texture’ and ‘dynamic sole grinds’ over and over again, but in slightly different forms, depending on how the manufacturers had written it in their press releases. Truly worthless non-information. Opinions? Zero. Rehash of manufacturer claims? 100%. Even if they didn’t get their hands on the clubs yet a respectable coverage would have been “This year most manufacturers have implemented similar technology changes, with the exception of Mizuno’s continuing use of DG Spinner shafts. We intend to test the he’ll out of these as soon as we can get out hands on them and publish all spin rates using a variety of balls with both ionomer and surly covers.” At least I could respect that.
      Golf mags and The Golf Channel are now very comfortable providing opinions on golfers, but how long do we have to wait before they have real opinions about equipment? Another 40 years? Fine. Then, in the mean time I’ll get my thirst for info about new equipment from the manufacturer-biased press releases, buy zero golf magazines, and test everything out for myself. Journalistic integrity is all I ask for, and that’s what I found here: a reasoned opinion couched as just that – an opinion. And it’s not the normal biased dross born from pandering to manufacturers. I’ve never been to this site before, but I’ll be back. Bravo.

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      Brian Cass

      12 years ago

      By the way…it was the 15 degree stiff matrix (not sure of grams on the shaft but it was a lightweight shaft). Again…to me it is not worth dumping my 710 F for this club. It’s no piece of garbage but it ain’t saving you 3 strokes a round either. You’d be better off spending your time on a putting green. That isn’t sexy though, new golf clubs are.

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      Brian Cass

      12 years ago

      I hit the 15 degree Rocket Gonads today in New Jersey. I played with a Golf WRX staffer.

      I bag a 710 F X Stiff Diamana at 14.25 degrees but hit the Rocket Nutz twice today. Once off the tee and once off the deck. While not enough hits to be an absolute expert on this newly heralded stick-I was largely UNDER whelmed. The shape of the head is deep in nature, not stretched out at all so off the deck…not thrilling for me. Seems to me to be a better tee option with all the other fairway options out there. Since I hit a 72 gram X Stiff Diamana, you’d be right in assuming I didn’t like the Stiff lightweight shaft all that much from Matrix.

      It’s also not adjustable which makes ZERO sense. Everyone else can froth at the mouth over this thing but I won’t. Add the white head and distracting graphics and you’ve got something I won’t buy even if it was dialed in for me. Simply not worth dropping the money for 15 yards of carry…would agree this stick is a marketing hail mary pass. I’m sure some will find success with it just like any club but not for me.

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      My, my…The sheep are in an uproar!!…Kudos on the article, GS T…Do some of your comments have a little more “oomph” to them than others’?..Possibly..Though nothing that you have posted on MGS could be labeled as libelous, misleading or factually inaccurate..Your editorial interpretations of TM’s business practices are refreshing & more often than not, spot on…I might not be inclined to say that they use deceptive marketing tactics, though if one did say that, they would not be wrong or inaccurate…I think two factors work in TM’s favor…1) The vast majority of people are sheep, and have this insanely desperate need to “fit in” and be part of the crowd, even if it is to their detriment, whether it be their golf game or their life….2) Now this is my opinion & I don’t have the clinical data to support this as scientific fact(I’m actively gathering data), though since this is my comment, it’s a fact!..Since most people follow blindly(& vehemently deny that they do, which I always find amusing), they are not required to think or use any advanced thought process to arrive @ a decision..They need only to have good enough eyesight/hearing to observe/hear what the other sheep are playing, saying, reading or writing..Hence, their brain, like any other body organ that is underutalized, atrophies & similar to drug/alcohol abuse,brain cells die..Combine this with the fact that the majority of these individuals were born with a very, very average intelect(this is a statistical fact & I’m being very kind by including the adjective very, though it’s the holiday season), and what you are left with is an IDIOT!!..I am currently going for a disease classification of “sheepitis”…If the NIH(National Institute of Health) accepts my diagnosis & classification, this would be the #1 disease/sickness in our country, if not the world!!..The cure?..Unfortunately, there are none..It is what it is..& those of us who do not suffer from this horrendous condition should be very thankful that this condition is incurable because, while I won’t speak for you or any other readers, the fact that these people are consigned to be sheeps for life greatly reduces the competition to succeed in our society & if you manage to have a product/service that attracts sheep, you’re golden!!..& if you’re able to ignite what brains cells the sheep do have, you get what we have @ MGS- a nice, mostly cival exchange…No, although I have no TM clubs in my bag, I’ve gotta give it to ’em…They get it…Though, I’m very glad that there are those like yourself & the others @ MGS who point out the obvious(except to the sheep) & hold their feet to the fire..And BTW, the primary symptom of sheepitis is similar to narcolepsy, with the individual falling asleep when they are either in dissagreement with the material presented or in over their head intellectually(the bar for this is not real high) with secondary & tertiary symptoms being extreme boredom & extremely short attention span(could be mistaken for ADD though no medication is available to help this condition)..Yet, as I think about it, I’m glad that there is no cure, beacause if there were no sheep, there would not be a need for a site like MGS…Now that would suck!..So, at the end of the day, sheep are good..They just need good sheppards..Nuff said..My very best to ya & all for a Happy holiday season & a safe, healthy & prosperous new year…Fairways & Greens 4ever….

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Thanx Dan, for pointing out my inability to function without spell check…Shephard!..What’s kinda unnerving is even after proof reading my comment, I still didn’t pick it up..oh well..The best to all for a happy & healthy Holiday season…Fiarways & Greens 4ever…

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      Ryan

      12 years ago

      Back when I worked in the golf industry, I was on staff with Taylormade and always have felt the company makes a quality product. I did not read this article and feel like this was a beatdown on Taylormade. Golfers should be testing equipment and not buying blindly. I too am anxious to try out the new stuff, but no way am I going to believe hype without seeing real life experience. Great info for any player looking for new equipment next year.

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      Dunk

      12 years ago

      I have to shamefully admit that I was part of the sheep flock for a long time. I was TM for top to bottom for about 5 years. I really thought they put out a quality product. This past year changed everything for me. I went from just buying the latest and greatest to going to a launch monitor and truly testing out almost every new driver and iron set for 2011. I quickly realized that the marketing hype for both the R11 and the SuperFast didn’t support real world results. Honestly, these ranked at two of the worst drivers I’ve tried all year.

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      Dunk

      12 years ago

      Just wanted to add that thanks to this site, my skepticism to marketing (and the reluctance to have their products impartially reviewed) has grown substantially. If TM and Cleveland are reluctant to get objectively reviewed, doesn’t that put into doubt that their products are truly superior? If I developed a driver that I knew could outperform the rest or at least would be competitive, I’d want every site on the planet to do a review.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Where TaylorMade is concerned they’ve never led me to believe that any reluctance (or total unwillingness) to send us equipment was based on any fear that their equipment would under-perform anyone else’s is. I suspect they truly believe in their gear as much as most others in the industry do.

      In the specific case of TM while we have received a little something of late, but based on my interpretation of the conversations we’ve had, the reasons why we haven’t gotten more are two-fold:

      Firstly – TaylorMade is far and away the most rigid when it comes to embargo dates. The last go around we gave TM the courtesy of a heads-up that we had images (RocketBallz FW, 2 months ago). In the midst of what we thought was a productive dialogue, we got a happy-gram (politely worded, but threatening email) from their legal team. While we believe we had a loophole that would allow us to publish the images, ultimately we felt the greater good was to sit this one out, and try a build a relationship that would allow us to add TM gear to our review catalog (something we know our readers want). While this time around we did things their way, it’s fair to say there is probably some mistrust, and potentially even bitterness lingering at the Kingdom.

      Secondly – Just like others have suggested here, there is a perception at TaylorMade that because of some things we’ve written, no doubt things like, and including this article, that MyGolfSpy has an anti-TaylorMade bias. As I explained to my contact at TM, I’ll explain to all of you: I can’t, and won’t speak for the entire MyGolfSpy staff, but personally, I have no bias one way or the other. We hit clubs. The data speaks for itself.

      I have in the past, and can easily foresee in the future, playing TaylorMade clubs. My primary responsibility here is as the “review guy”. I’ve put a lot of thought and effort into creating what I think is the best test/review SYSTEM in the industry. Is it perfect…nope. Is it pretty damn good considering our budget (near 0) and staffing levels (just me and my volunteer testers)? Hell yes. Point is, I’m building a reputation for myself, and our review process. I’d never risk that by giving anything less than an honest, objective assessment of anything; TaylorMade or anybody else.

      I’ve explained that to TM, and while I believe my contacts take me at my word, getting a company the size of TM to believe you are who and what you say you are…that’s a more difficult proposition.

      UgoDerosa

      12 years ago

      Outstanding and refreshing article. A few (but not all) of the people responding negatively to this article are clearly missing the point despite you “spoon feeding” it to them. Hint: FOCUS ON THE 150 mph ballspeed and the corresponding distance claims, in the context of the RBZ fairway gorilla marketing campaign happening on numerous golf blog sites over the last month or so. Nobody is saying TM doesn’t have the right to sell as many clubs as they can, and nobody is saying TM products are bad. TM Marketing is without equal. This is simply an honest commentary on how TM marketing works to sell clubs to the masses- that is all. Kudos to TM because these tactics do sell clubs. And for the record, I do own a TM Rescue 11 TP in glorious white, play only Penta balls, and I only wear Adidas golf shoes.

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      sliq111

      12 years ago

      I loved this article so much. Not because I have feelings towards Taylormade one way or another, but because it has personality and spunk.

      I loved the editorial, and it is sparking a lot of debate, which is always awesome.

      Keep doing the neutral club reporting, but also add more editorials.

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      Dave

      12 years ago

      Wow. Bitter? This is how every industry works. If we thought “the other guys” were unbiased we’d be fools, but maybe people use their site for other reasons, like their forums for example.

      In terms of clubs and technology, that’s called marketing. Its how the game is played. People who love the game, and the gear that goes with it, are rabid for information. Just like people who love cars read autoblog. Its kind of ironic that you all run a golf blog on gear, which I read regularly, then slam another. I get it, your angle is “unbiased.” Theirs maybe not. That doesn’t change the fact that people want to read and find that information out, which is why sites like yours exist.

      Try not being so unbelievably angry about it… or Rocketballz green (and white) with envy. Sheesh.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Dave – I appreciate your honest, and well-reasoned feedback.

      There are a variety of reasons to visit other golf sites (although we have a forum too), and believe it or not, I have nothing but respect for what the other guys do, and applaud their efforts in supporting the golf industry as a whole. Specifically, WRX is fantastic resource for golfers, and likely with the help of Golf Digest, their coverage of equipment on tour has become the best in the game PERIOD. I don’t always agree with how they present things, and it’s pretty clear they don’t think much of us (removed because of spam), but they work hard, do an excellent job, and seldom “mail it in”. That’s good by me.

      We know we’re not the only game in town, and frankly the slanted coverage you find elsewhere is what makes it possible for us to succeed simply by being true to who we are. But would you deny that almost without exception that the whitest of white glove treatment is reserved for TaylorMade? It’s awesome that you and others like you understand that marketing is what it is, the industry is driven by dollars and that biases are what they are because of it. Unfortunately not everyone does.

      We are working hard to try and change that. It’s not anger, and it’s not envy. We chose this path knowing there would always be consequences and that we wouldn’t be on a lot of OEM Christmas lists. Though we’re always willing to work with anyone (TaylorMade and Cleveland included), the fact that they would often rather pander to smaller, less influential sites than risk an honest assessment of their products here is worn like a badge of honor. In short, we are extremely content to be where we are right now.

      I suppose there is frustration at the blind devotion. And yeah…I can see where that frustration comes across as bitterness. There is, however; none of that towards TaylorMade or the other golf sites. We simply want to educate…get golfers to ask substantive questions, and look at product releases with a critical eye. I will concede that we are are sometimes aggressive in our approach.

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      Dave

      12 years ago

      Excellent response, and I appreciate you taking the time. Its one of the reasons I come back to MGS every day. In the golf world, its kind of the Associated Press of coverage: factual, to the point, and without a slant, where as others are undoubtedly leaning one way or the other!

      I would just hate to see you guys lose out on both readership and industry access because of what may be perceived as animosity toward one OEM or another. Of course TM is treated differently, they’re a behemoth with tons of $ to spend. They’re to gear what Starbucks is to coffee. Is it all great? No way, but some of it sure is.

      Anyway, thanks again for your reply. It reinforces the trust I put into your site. My only comment is that to avoid becoming one of them, keep it down the middle! Be the Walter Cronkite of golf gear resources!

      Favre the Looper

      12 years ago

      Kenny Perry leaves TM for Adams, “I’m getting 20 more yards with the Speedline driver”. This coming from a guy who still pounds it way over 300. So, now KP is going to be avg 340 off the tee next year??? Funny how “club performance hot air” comes out of the players as well as the makers.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      This is another point that people seem not to notice. If Dustin Johnson, or Kenny Perry says something wonderful about a piece of golf equipment it’s often treated as a ringing endorsement – the unpolished truth. To an extent this is also true of some media sites driven by big OEM advertising dollars.

      Were Jello Pudding Pops delicious because Bill Cosby said so? Is Ashton Kutcher an authority on Nikon technology?

      It’s no different. Professional golfers are paid spokespersons and what comes out of their mouths should be measured against that fact.

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      Favre the Looper

      12 years ago

      And all the Spies in the choir said, “AMEN to that!!”

      darin

      12 years ago

      As a BIG fan of mgs, the article does read a little biased against taylor made. Almost a reverse of all the references to sites/magazines they pay for good reviews, this does seem like a negative review, that could or could not be due to bad relationships (i.e. once again the lawyers).

      I can say, as a horrible new golfer, the Razr Hawk made a huge difference over the R11 for my crappy game. And also say that adjusting the weights in my R11 and my R9 Super-tri made a huge difference to the ball-flight (so does lead tape). Now that could of course be because the weighting causes my hands to do something different, as I am horrible, but it also makes a big difference to some other family/friend golfers that are scratch.

      Again, I am not a hardcore TaylorMade Fan but I am a big fan and have ended up purchasing several items due to MGS (The Can’t Miss, Tour Striker, SeeMore PR Tour Fgp, Piretti Terramo, and I am sure more). Just saying that to me, this article does seem a little invalid due to too much bias.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Darin,

      I can certainly see why you and others would see an anti-TaylorMade bias. I’m reasonably certain that’s how it’s being perceived at the Kingdom, but that wasn’t my intent. I do obviously have some opinions on the technology as to what’s real, and what is more or less designed to lure golfers to the buy clubs, but I think those areas should be fair game. As it often is when it comes TM, my issue is with how the industry responds to their releases, and how golfers flock to their products without any real concern for comparative performance. There is also the undeniable fact that because TaylorMade is TaylorMade golfers give them a lot more leeway than any other brand. If Wilson had been the first to market with white driver, many would have viewed it as a desperate attempt from a company trying to remain relevant. TaylorMade does it…and well…the sales numbers speak for themselves. Whether or not something is innovative shouldn’t depend on who created it, and yet that’s what happens all the time in the golf industry.

      To my point of how new products are received…If, as an example TourEdge “leaked” new product info to us a day early, and we replaced a healthy percentage of our front page content with stock photos, and TourEdge supplied information AND we did so without providing an ounce of editorial commentary (save talking about how awesome it all is), the first question many golfers would ask (and rightfully so, I might add) is “How much did TourEdge pay MyGolfSpy for this?”. Of course this happens all the time with TaylorMade, Callaway and a few others, and yet seemingly nobody stops to ask whether the coverage is driven by genuine innovation, or simply ad dollars. I can promise you, it’s the latter. I’m not saying the coverage shouldn’t be there, I’m just suggesting that reading a press release with a critical eye wouldn’t kill anyone (though it might reduce profits). Companies like TourEdge aren’t making inferior products (often they’re superior to those from the big OEMs), they simply spend less promoting them. That fact is too often lost on the average golfer.

      I have no anti-TaylorMade bias, but I happen to believe that even as the undisputed Kings of the golf equipment world, TaylorMade should be treated like everyone else. That means actual judgement of their products will be reserved until we get them in hand and can test them for ourselves; the same way we test everything else regardless of whether it comes from Callaway, Mizuno, or even PowerBilt. It also means I’m not going to wet myself every time they release a new product.

      Unfortunately, money drives control. Because TaylorMade outspends everyone in the industry, they’re assured not only a massive amount of coverage, but more to the point, favorable coverage. They control magazines with ad dollars (anybody want to start an over-under as to what percent of TM’s new products take home gold on The Hot List this year?). They use those same dollars with large web sites, and even sites smaller than MyGolfSpy. The smaller bloggers they control with equipment (check Twitter for the guys drooling with anticipation over the arrival of their #TM2012 care package – I’m sure reviews will be objective). We don’t take their money, and while we’d be happy to review the entire TaylorMade lineup, we’re not going to fluff it. As we are for any company who provides us equipment for testing, we are, even for TaylorMade a risk/reward scenario. We’re trying to build a brand know for integrity, trustworthiness, and honesty, as I’ve explained to our contacts at TM, to be that we have to remain unbiased. It means good products get good reviews, lesser products get lesser reviews. Above all else it means that logos can’t ever matter. If TaylorMade sends us a driver and it’s the best one we test all year, I’ll gladly say so. But if it’s among the worst, I’ll say that too. There are never any promises or guarantees (unspoken or otherwise).

      Of course we’d be happier without the threat of a lawsuit that invariably precedes product release by a month or two, but when it comes to the release of those new products, that’s what TaylorMade seems to believe is the best way (or perhaps the only way) to work with us. Others in the industry are more interested in finding common, or at least middle ground.

      Full disclosure, we are currently working on a MyGolfSpy labs article that makes use of TaylorMade-supplied equipment, and the guys at TaylorMade have gone above and beyond in helping us out. As I’ve said all along, TaylorMade makes a good, perhaps even very good product. I happen to like the R11 quite a bit, and as I’ll discuss in the upcoming article, despite being previously unimpressed by adjustability itself, lessons learned from our tests are the reason why somebody’s adjustable driver will be in my bag next spring. It might even be TaylorMade’s.

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      rookieblue7

      12 years ago

      Yeah, I also said the white wasn’t for me. Had the 910 D2 and D3 and the 910 Fd at the time(The 910 D’s ewre the 12th and 13th drivers I’d had this season, and this was back in April). I’d declared that “I’d vomit if I had to look down at that white thing” (I can cite at least one place where I declared that). And then I hit the club. Needless to say, both of the 910D’s and the Fd were kicked to the curb (and I was killing the Fd, or so I thought). Then, I upgraded the R11 stuff again by putting different, but matched, shafts in them and it was really wow. I’ve never hit a 3 wood as long as my R11 3 wood with the new shaft. Carry on it is 256 yards on the Trackman, and the average, with roll, is 265 yards (carry and no roll, which is fine by me because I attack par 5’s). So yeah, the white isn’t as bothersome as I’d initially thought it’d be. But I’m a results over looks guy too.

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      Jason

      12 years ago

      Keep up the good work. I am so sick of hearing how every club is “revolutionary” or as a “hot buy”. I like honest opinion . Maybe others don’t agree, but isn’t that the point of an opinion?

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      jordan

      12 years ago

      Damn!!! i would have never thought a website would ever have balls to write critics like this! and ALL OF THIS IS SOO EFFIN TRUE!! so much respect. i really appreciate what you do, while almost every amateur golfer is brain washed by the marketing of huge companies!

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      Brian Cass

      12 years ago

      I watched the video where Dustin Johnson is on trackman with a guy from TMade and he is flying the Rocket Nutz 25 yards further than his previous 3 wood. Yes I know that’s Dustin Johnson not me who has a paltry driver swing speed of 100-105 mph by comparison.

      How many times a round do you hit your 3 wood (3-5 times is a lot I bet for most low single digits). Would 20 yards help assuming you’d actually get those 20 yards? That would be 60-100 total yards gained over the course of a round of golf assuming you hit the club 3-5 times per round. Not shabby….but going to change your scoring significantly? Hmmmm. Hung jury.

      I suppose it would be nice to be hitting 2 clubs less into a short par 4 so in theory the “longer” 3 wood argument that was previously championed by Exotics makes some sense.

      I hit my 710 F at 14.25 degrees and as flat a lie angle as you can get down hallways. It may not be uber long, but you can hang the wash on it.

      If it helps you reach a couple more par 5’s there’s value there too I suppose.

      I just don’t like the white. The graphics on the crown coupled with the white are tough to look at for me. Lime green and grey hash marks on the crown of a club? Yucko from a Titleist skank. I know..we Titleist ho’s like boring and classic looking heads…I’m guilty of that.

      I do like the power channel they put on the sole…Adams put theirs on the crown which looks ass ugly to me. I’m sure this 3 wood has a higher COR and higher MOI than my 710 just by looking at the general design.

      I’ll demo this one for sure but I’m not totally sold on it yet. I carry my 3 wood 235 ish and with roll in hard and fast conditions can get home from 250 sometimes…if this would get me 245 in carry and let’s say 260 or 265 total distance, I’d have to mull it over for sure and ignore the ostrich egg looks. If it outperforms my 710F, this may be the first Taylormade club I’ve ever bagged.

      Taylormade is about giving you a good looking shape that packs punch in a somewhat traditional package. Titleist is just about classic looks, nothing about their clubs screams “long”. Solid yes….ground breaking distance, MOI, etc….not really.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Brian – you didn’t ask, but I will own up to actually really liking the white, but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d also agree that the implementation of the slot is an improvement over Adams (golfers want to see their technology, but perhaps not that much).

      I think you’re last sentence sums it up best. This is a solid lineup by TaylorMade, but until I’m proven wrong, I’m not willing to call any of this ground breaking. And as a course of action, when it comes to performance claims, I don’t take any golf company, doesn’t matter if it’s TaylorMade, Callaway, Powerbilt, or Wilson, at their word.

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      rookieblue7

      12 years ago

      There’s flawed logic with using the old Wishon and Tim Hewitt theories when discussing MWT as well as referencing the DeLaCruz driver. The Wishon and Hewitt theories behind MWT are based off of lead tape, primarily. And they’re also based off of placing the lead tape (weights) on the back, upper toe area, upper heel area, etc. The position of the weights in the TM MWT is in a different position than they’re suggesting weight be added. Also, Mr. Wishon makes a concession that a fade or hook can be reduced, even adding 5-7 grams of weight. Another thing is you’ve got to consider the base weight of the club and upon repositioning the weights, from the stock configuration (10-1 weights in the R11) how much weight you’re actually relocating as opposed to just the static numbers on the weights. Moving the 10 gram weight from the toe to the heel, and vice versa with the 1 gram stock weight is actually repositioning 18 grams of weight (10 grams removed from the heel and 10 added to the toe by moving that weight. Remove a gram from the toe and add a gram to the heel, and that’s -2 grams polar difference. That’s 18 grams total relocation, and this before one changes the stock weights for heavier or lighter.) If you do as I did, and change from the 10-1 to a 16-2 configuration, you’re relocating 28 grams total weight by moving them to opposing poles ((16+16) – (2+2))). Taylormade has robot tested the clubs and the MWT works, on a robot, without the human variable and placebo effect. Blind testing has also proven this as well in other avenues.

      Mizuno also did this with their Fast-Track weight system, and they robot tested it, removing the human variable, and the supposed placebo effect. Those robot tests are out there, the data from them that is. I’ll have to see if I can find them again.

      With that said, the old antiquated methodology of adding weight and removing it is no longer relevant. It’s not relevant because it’s archaic and it’s repositioning weight in an inconsistent manner. There are variables, even down to lead tape inconsistencies. You could cut 2 strips of lead tape off of the same roll in equal amounts and they’d more than likely vary in weight. You’re also not repositioning weight from an exact fixed pole to an opposite fixed pole. You’re guestimating where to add weight to get a polar opposite variable.

      You are also throwing out the other variables they mix in with this technology. The MWT, FCT, and ASP are fitting tools. They help one to be able to dial in exactly what their club needs to have dialed in in order to properly fit the golfer that is swinging the club. Be it a face angle adjustment, a visual adjustment to how the club sets up, a loft adjustment, etc. Coupling all of these technologies together, and you have a massive ballflight adjustment capability.

      As for the claim that TMag is marketing the ASP as a flight changing device. I haven’t seen it, nor heard it that it’s for changing flight from any fitter that has fit the drivers for people, and this includes at TM demo days where company reps are doing the fittings/tuning, I’ve personally asked 4 different ones. Someone should tell their own fitters at their Kingdom locations that they’re marketing that it changes flight also, as they’ve told everyone I know that’s been there for a fitting for the R11 that the ASP is for visual purposes and doesn’t alter ball flight.

      Before this past season, I’d never owned and played a TMag driver. I’ve tinkered with them in the past, but never put one into play. You know as well as I do that I was a long-time Adams fanboy. I played their equipment nearly exclusively. After owning every driver Adams has produced since the 9015d, and even owning 5 of their current offerings (not including the ultralight 9088) this year, I made the switch, trying every major manufacturer’s driver (and owning them) this year. I’d even posted in a few places that I’d throw up if I had to look down at an R11 and it’s white head (trust me, I caught hell over it when I bought one after giving in to it). I consider myself to have a pretty darn consistent swing, as a single digit handicap golfer. I’ve always hit my driver better than any club in my bag, save my putter and my favorite wedge. I wasn’t a believer in any of their technologies either, dismissed them, and said they didn’t work. Until I tried them for extended periods on a Trackman.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      I’ll let Colt weigh in on the MWT stuff, but having owned TM drivers with MWT in the past, and having read plenty of the literature from anyone not invested in selling an adjustable weight driver, I’m far from willing to buy that it causes substantive changes in ball flight.

      As far as the ASP is concerned. After re-reading the marketing literature, I’m willing to concede that I got it wrong and that TaylorMade treats it as a visual technology. That said, it’s still functionally useless and you can’t dispute that it only comes into play when the sole of the club is grounded. It’s no more a “technology” (fitting or otherwise) than special markings on the grip would be (which won’t work because of how FCT is implemented). At best it should be called an alignment aid. The claim that it changes the face angle is misleading. If I hold the club straight out and move the sole plate, the face angle stays the same. If I remove the face plate completely, the angle remains unchanged. If you don’t sole your driver – and many don’t – the face angle remains unchanged. TaylorMade’s illustrations would lead one to believe otherwise. And really…couldn’t you accomplish exactly the same thing with a well placed piece of chewing gum?

      I think I’ve been brutally honest, but fair here. If anything in the TaylorMade 2012 lineup (assuming they send us some of it to test) proves to be among a small handful of clubs we test every year that dramatically outperform the competitors, I’ll give it all the praise it warrants. Despite what anyone happens to believe, I’ve got no personal dog in this fight. That said, what I’m not willing to do with these announcements (and non-announcements) is pander to the TaylorMade marketing machine like everyone in the industry is excited to do. Does TaylorMade make a good product? They sure do, but so do a dozen or two other golf companies. Does TaylorMade actually make the best of anything? We’ll see, but a handful of press releases and some overly enthusiastic fanboys (some of whom masquerade as media) won’t be the deciding factor.

      If media sites of any and all sizes were required to disclose any and all compensation paid to them by golf companies, I can all but promise you that consumers would take a closer look at the performance claims golf companies make, and perceptions would surely change. That’s really what my point has been from the onset.

      As you probably guessed, TaylorMade paid us nothing for this coverage.

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      BenS

      12 years ago

      So saw the club on Twitter. Check out @BlakeGrahamPGA He’s got em!!!

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      Robo

      12 years ago

      Great article.
      White drivers look stupid.
      Rbz is the worst name ever.
      Plus! The r11 is the worst performing driver I’ve tested and I’ve hit them all.
      I don’t understand how Taylormade is the biggest. I also don’t understand how Britney got a record deal but that’s another story.

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      Marko P

      12 years ago

      Loved the article. NIce work, you have my full support!

      + I was expecting a holiday version of R11 with some snowflakes on the crown and more red paint ;)

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      HiMee

      12 years ago

      +2

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      Joe benson

      12 years ago

      this article is complete bull crap. Tm has every right to use the great tecnology that adams invented. You shouldnt slam Tm for useing robots for testing because all of the other golf companys are using them too. If they were to use real people they would be giving themselves a marketing disadvantage. TM isnt a chairity their a buisness and they can come out with whatever clubs they want to as often as they want. When TM comes out with a new club their not forcing all the people with R11’s or BSF 2.0’s to go and buy their new clubs. If you worked for TM you would want to come out with a new club as often as you could so you can make more $. I maybe wouldnt have been so bored reading this article if you wouldve put in some postive information. But thanks for the info Callaways biggest fan.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Clearly Joe you were actually so bored that you could even stay awake to read the whole article. I apologize for not being able to keep your attention. I have the same problem with my 15 month old daughter.

      If you had paid attention for the duration, you might have noticed that I took no real issue with the robots, only that the numbers TaylorMade chose to run with aren’t actually attainable by the majority of golfers. I’m genuinely interested to see how the RocketBallz performs with ball speeds closer to what most golfers generate…let’s call it 130 MPH. If they do that test with a robot, I’m fine with it. I also took no issue with TMs right to release clubs whenever they want. Sure, there are arguments to be made that product saturation hurts retailers, but if we’re using TaylorMade as the model, last year the were much, much better than most.

      If you had read more closely you might have also noticed that I was at times complimentary, which obviously isn’t the same thing as universally positive. That said, if you’re looking for something a bit more positive, I encourage you to read…well…everything else that has been written thus far about #TM2012. The point of this article was to provide a much needed, and otherwise absent counter-perspective.

      I assume that last sentence was meant to suggest that because I’m not fawning over the TaylorMade lineup that I must be a huge Callaway fan. Don’t get me wrong, I love the RAZR Hawk driver, and am looking forward to the RAZR Fit as much as anything else, but if you look in my bag, you’ll find exactly 0 Callaway clubs. Incidentally, that’s also the same number I carry from Titleist, TaylorMade, Cleveland, and PING.

      Finally, you’re more than welcome to disagree, so long as you do so in a reasonably polite manner, but in the future would you extend me the courtesy of actually reading what it is I’ve written before flying off the handle?

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      C. Evans

      12 years ago

      And, as I said before this article was published, if you’re going to cite clubs that technology is borrowed from, at least credit the originator. The Nike Compression Channel predates the Adams Velocity Slot, as do the trademarks. I’ve also tried to explain to you the advantages of MWT before, but you still claim they do nothing. They, along with the FCT are both fitting tools. And, the purpose of the ASP is for appearances, not altering ballflight. It inspires confidence looking down at a head set up at what you’re accustomed and comfortable with. 90% of this game is half mental.

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      Colby – I don’t recall your take on Moveable Weights. I’ve never seen any evidence that they work (and the science says they don’t) with respect to altering ball flight, but that doesn’t mean I can’t be convinced.

      I didn’t say that Adams invented slot technology, just that the design of the RocketBallz most closely resembles the Adams implementation, but yes, absolutely, we saw it first with Nike’s compression channel. Truth is, few cared when Nike did it. Only a few more cared when Adams did it. Now that TaylorMade is doing it, everyone is suddenly paying attention like they’ve never seen it before.

      And I do get the mental aspect of ASP, but that’s not how it’s being marketed. It’s being billed as actually impacting ball flight, and that’s silly.

      I stand corrected on this last point. After re-reading the marketing, my assessment was incorrect. ASP is billed as a visual-only aid. I stand by my assessment that without ground contact it’s usefulness is questionable.

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      mygolfspy

      12 years ago

      I tested MWT for the past 12 years and other golf club designers have tested MWT well before TM came out with them. And everyone that does design clubs knows you have to move more weight then they allow to do ANYTHING in regards to changing anything on any axis. Believe what you want Colby but MWT does NOTHING. I have seen test after test done with multiple weight config’s, different locations, internal, external…you name it. Unless you are moving 40 grams of weight you really are making no difference. The only driver that ever came out that did was the MagCruzer. With the materials they are currently using they can not get down to the 140 gram base head weight needed to do what they need to do. Some other materials like magnesium and new materials being tested by the military allow it but what TM and others use DOES NOT. So no need to explain MWT to the person that basically invented it. Just ask TM…maybe they will tell you about our meetings…BEFORE they even dreamed of drawing up the MWT driver.

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      ChIz

      12 years ago

      This article just says “we are so annoyed that we didn’t have the exclusive” mgs ain’t doing much spying of late..

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      GolfSpy T

      12 years ago

      I’m not the least bit annoyed. I had actually hoped that TaylorMade would have kept the entire lineup underwraps until the PGA show. It would have made things very exciting for a change.

      You may find what you’re reading here confusing, so let me explain. It’s called an actual opinion, and it’s something that’s sorely missing in golf equipment coverage. The lack of other actual opinions can be traced to the dollars TaylorMade and others spend elsewhere (we proudly accept 0 dollars from big golf companies). We believe honest opinions and actual content are worth more; they’re certainly the rarer commodity.

      There are guys who run other sites and other media outlets; some of whom I have the utmost respect for, and to a man, they’re all fawning over this new lineup like it was created by Jesus Christ himself. Why, because it’s from TaylorMade. That’s it. It’s good to be King (and have your own Kingdom), but this lineup doesn’t deserve any more attention that what we’ve seen from Callaway, Nike, and others.

      Look…there’s nothing inherently wrong with the TaylorMade 2012 lineup, but anyone looking at it through unclouded glasses, and without the fog of TM $$$, will surely admit that there’s nothing the least bit revolutionary here. It’s all marketing, and TaylorMade does that better than anyone.

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      mygolfspy

      12 years ago

      Actually I had the exclusive well before anyone months ago…although Taylormade once again sent the lawyers out after me.

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      Favre the Looper

      12 years ago

      What happens when you get hit in the rocketballz, you pee your knickers! Seriously, maybe one of the worst club names ever (right ahead of sasquatch).-

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      Xamilo

      12 years ago

      Maybe I haven’t seen enough pics, but I don’t find a big resemblance between the RBZ and the Adams F11. Anyway, Adams has been growing immensely in that Driver/FW department, so it was only matter of time until the products were copied in anyway.

      The thing is TM does bring great performing clubs to the market. es, I don’t think they are better than anything else, but pretty good nevertheless. If you put a good driver in any hacker’s hands, it will perform good if the guy knows how to drive. So, a decent driver with great advertisement will always mean good sales, and at the end, that’s the only thing which matters in the business. The day they flop with a bad performing driver, that day people will start looking somewhere else.

      In the meantime, sheep will always follow their Sheppard.

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      HiMee

      12 years ago

      You don’t see the Velocity Slot – Speed Slot resemblance ???????

      Reply

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