TaylorMade No Longer #1 in Golf
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TaylorMade No Longer #1 in Golf

TaylorMade No Longer #1 in Golf

Written By: Tony Covey

3 Reasons Taylormade Is Tanking

Since this time last year there have been reports that several major adidas shareholders want out of the golf business altogether. That means likely selling off Adams Golf, Ashworth and possibly even Taylormade.  While it may be a bit premature to talk about adidas unloading the entirety of its golf division, if recent trends continue, the likelihood is that adidas will look to completely exit the golf business.

If you’re wondering what the actual probabilities of that happening are, I can’t give you a number. What I can tell you is that despite promises to the contrary, little (other than personnel) has actually changed at TaylorMade.

  1. The marketing has grown stale
  2. The products are uninspiring
  3. And perhaps most difficult to overcome, TaylorMade simply isn’t cool anymore.

You may not think that last bit matters, but in the golf industry, when you’ve lost your mojo, as TaylorMade has, it’s exceedingly difficult to get it back.

Just ask Callaway.

Of course, the resurgence at Callaway proves that with enough time, humility, and motivation to fundamentally change how your business operates, it is possible to recover.

Taylormade Tanks (The Sequel)

“Unfortunately, there is also one area that is still not performing according to our expectations. Clearly, over the last couple of months, the business development at TaylorMade-adidas Golf has not lived up to our initial projections.” -adidas Group CEO, Herbert Hainer, August 2015 letter to shareholders.

After a 2nd quarter that showed double-digit declines from the previous year, the adidas Group has vowed to undertake major efforts to stabilize its golf division.

This isn’t a repeat from last August. It’s the sequel and, as often is the case with such things, TaylorMade Tanks 2 is worse than the original.

As you may recall, almost exactly one year ago, adidas Group CEO Herbert Hainer responded to double-digit declines in revenue at TaylorMade with the following statement and plan:

“We recently announced that a reorganization of our company was being planned.  This restructuring includes the consolidation of our Adams Golf business currently located in Plano, TX to our global headquarters in Carlsbad, CA.  We are also realigning our workforce at TaylorMade to better meet the needs of our business and ultimately, our consumers.  This includes investing in new areas to strengthen our brands and strategically approach our future to reinforce our leadership in the industry.”

Apart from Adams HQ, what other action did TaylorMade-adidas Golf take?

With an eye towards clearing the retail channel of heavily discounted product from previous years, the company refrained from releasing any new product for the remainder of 2014. That was only the beginning.

There was a round of layoffs. Several long-time TaylorMade executives…holdovers from the Mark King era were dismissed. Internal teams were realigned, and realigned again (and again). Some prominent members of the TaylorMade team saw the writing on the wall and left of their own accords.

None of them appear to regret it.

The executive branch, marketing and PR departments…effectively gutted.

2015 rolled around and TaylorMade launched R15, AeroBurner, and RSi while the repurposed Adams brand launched red and blue.

The golf world mostly yawned, and when none of the above failed to turn the tide, adidas and TaylorMade CEO Ben Sharpe parted ways less than one year into his tenure. In a publicly-traded world, patience is an uncommon virtue.

Former TaylorMade guy, David Abeles was brought back to replace Sharpe. One of the last true bonafide TaylorMade guys, Executive VP Sean Toulon, left. The company was hit with another round of layoffs.

It has been a difficult year for those inside TaylorMade…those that are left, anyway.

For all of its efforts, what adidas got in return was a 2nd straight year of double-digit declines in Q2 revenue, a 2nd straight year of significant declines in retail market share, and the harsh reality that TaylorMade can no longer, by any reasonable measure, call itself the leader of the golf equipment industry.

The mighty has fallen far – and it may not yet have reached bottom.

How Bad is it Really?

From a numbers perspective, it’s bad. The two most meaningful bullet points from the latest report:

  • Q2 revenues down 26% on a currency neutral basis
  • Revenue down 17% for the year (hard goods down 13%)

If you’re wondering what, other than unstable leadership, poor marketing, and mind-blowing arrogance, is at the heart of TaylorMade’s most recent incarnation of its annual decline, the adidas report places the blame on “sales decreases in most categories, in particular metalwoods and irons”.

Revenues are down because sales are down. Obvious enough, right?

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By Hainer’s own admission, R15 and AeroBurner didn’t resonate with consumers, and that’s reflected in TaylorMade’s tenuous hold on the #1 spot for driver market share. The company considers its #1 Driver in Golf position as a birthright, and that’s about to slip away (although I suspect it will continue to reference its Tour use long after the market position is gone).

PING’s G30 Trifecta (G30, LS Tec, and SF Tec) has outsold every other single driver family for that last 5 months. Callaway, the golf industry’s metaphorical phoenix, has usurped TaylorMade to lay claim to the #1 spot in fairways, hybrids, and irons.

How Much Has Changed in 2 Years?

How much has changed in 2 years? Here’s a brief summary.

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And here’s the proverbial kicker: It’s actually worse than it looks.

TaylorMade’s grip on the #1 spot in total driver and total metalwoods sales is rapidly slipping away, and what little lead they have left is again being driven by sales of heavily discounted models from previous seasons.

Despite being Job #2 (after shutting down Adams), TaylorMade still has a comparative abundance of old, low margin, product sitting on store shelves. Burdened with the old, retailers didn’t buy nearly the amount of the new that TaylorMade had projected.

When the old eventually runs out, so too, I suspect, will be TaylorMade’s #1 position in the driver category.

In case it isn’t abundantly clear by now, let me spell it out for you; last year’s massive reorganization and restructuring plan failed miserably.

And so, as you might expect, adidas is hatching a new, improved, and more aggressive plan to fix the ongoing problems at TaylorMade-adidas Golf.

The summary version of the 2015 major turnaround plan…well, just read it for yourselves:

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Clear enough? I didn’t think so. The most substantive portion of the plan is likely found in the preceding paragraph. Allow me to highlight the pertinent bits for you:

“We have engaged with an investment bank for the purpose of analyzing future options for the company’s golf business, in particular the Adams and Ashworth brands.”

Translation: we’ve hired experts to tell us how much of the nearly 143 million we spent on Ashworth (2008) and Adams (2012) combined we can get back, and who might be actually be willing to give it to us.

Both brands failed to find an identity under TaylorMade, and now both appear likely to be jettisoned.

Adams most likely will eventually continue its slow death as a house brand logo for a national or even regional sporting goods chain. Ashworth, who knows, and more to the point; given how TaylorMade-adidas Golf has managed the brand since acquisition; who – other than perhaps Freddy Couples and John Ashworth himself – cares?

Do They Even Have What It Takes To Be #1 Again?

Given what we’ve seen over the last 2 years, TaylorMade doesn’t seem capable of reinventing itself as the lean, mean, profit machine adidas envisions. A year’s worth of restraint, reorganization and realignment, and the bottom line is still scribbled in increasingly darker red.

The products are disinteresting. The marketing is uninspiring, and most troubling, the systemic hubris that long ago convinced decision makers that just being TaylorMade is all that’s necessary to dominate an industry, vigorously persists.

For the last 2 years TaylorMade has been a portrait of insanity, and even if new leadership can somehow figure out how to stop heads from butting walls, it’s unlikely that adidas shareholders have the patience for a complete turnaround.

I’d wager that adidas’ long-term plan for TaylorMade is to stabilize the brand, offload it when there’s a semblance of upside, and let the new buyers worry about growth.

A 3rd straight August promising big changes at a struggling TaylorMade almost assuredly won’t fly with adidas shareholders. If the latest and greatest plan to fix TaylorMade fails, the only realistic next step will be for adidas to rid itself of its greatest liability.

TaylorMade without adidas is a very different golf company and that would for a very different golf equipment industry.

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      Phillip Kushman

      9 years ago

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      Edward Kelly

      9 years ago

      Tour players hit whatever has the most $$$ available. TM has bought that #1 ranking for years!!…..

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      Olivier HEBERT

      8 years ago

      But the clubs champions play are not the clubs golfers can buy …

      Phillip Kushman

      9 years ago

      Right that’s why most players unsigned play Taylormade also

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      Ben Ignaszak

      9 years ago

      David Virola

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      Ryan Stone

      9 years ago

      Hey Bill Burton, Jeff Barbee, and Phillip Bennett read this article. You might soon wanna join me in playing some good old mexican made Calloway clubs in your future.

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      Allen

      9 years ago

      I’ve always been a TaylorMade fan in the driver department, but not in fairways or hybrids, and definitely not in irons. Something tells me this Knuth High Heat Driver is going to change the way drivers are made for good! (sarcasm). TaylorMade’s days are over!

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      PLAY GREAT GOLF

      9 years ago

      Nice post

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      James Saylor

      9 years ago

      Golf tool and clothes are seasonal items, So golf equipment company should not be a public company. I don’t agree

      Reply

      Will Martin

      9 years ago

      It’s called 360 face cup ladies and gentleman. And it is dominant!!!

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      PLAY GREAT GOLF

      9 years ago

      Agreed… Nice info thanks so much :/

      Reply

      Michael Guzzo

      9 years ago

      Rob Nicole Leszewski Brian Hughes

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      Nicole Leszewski

      9 years ago

      I sent it to him? Not my type of reading material?

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      Brian Hughes

      9 years ago

      ? on an unrelated note I’m now swinging tour preferred irons

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      Kevin VanAmburg

      9 years ago

      Still #1 in my book. LOVE my SLDR Driver

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      David Williams

      9 years ago

      Their prices surely aren’t Tanked !!

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      PLAY GREAT GOLF

      9 years ago

      Agreed Nice info thanks :/

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      Xyng

      9 years ago

      It losts its brand equity.
      Used to be when i bought Tm, people would praise “wow, taylormade? Is it expensive? I bet its long”.
      But now, when i bought a new one, im afraid people would criticize “wow, taylormade? Is it expensive? I bet they gonna have a new one next month. What is the name of your driver again? Which year was it? Its not burner? I heard burner is good”

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      Aaron Hoppe

      9 years ago

      Mizuno, ping, and titleist are manufacturing companies with cult followings….TMag, callaway , and several others are marketing companies who’s fad has worn off. Surprisingly Wilson Staff under new management is making a nice comeback.

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      Steve E

      9 years ago

      So many comments about TM adopting a Ping, Titleist, or Mizuno release schedule…look at the market leader chart in the article, and let me know if you see Ping or Mizuno. That chart is dominated by Callaway who is firmly in the TM release schedule camp. If TM were to adopt anything from Ping, Titleist, or Mizuno it’s the build quality, but more importantly, BRAND CONSISTENCY and PRODUCT LINE CONSOLIDATION.

      R7, R9, R11, R11s spans the metalwood brands from 2008 – 2012, taking you right to TM being the market leader in 2013. Then they drop R11S for SLDR (with an R1 in between) then try and recover with R15. At the same time, they have the game improvement side (which is arguably most important for TM to win considering the average handicap is around 15) where they drop Burner for RocketBallz, change that to RBZ, drop that for Jetspeed, then drop that for AeroBurner…and that’s just drivers.

      Honestly, it’s getting hard to watch TM keep shooting themselves in the foot. Why in the world did they (re)introduce the Tour Preferred iron then immediately abandoned it for the RSi line? Take a tip from Titleist and make two lines: one for better players (think CB/MB/AP2…call it Tour Preferred) and one for GI (think AP1…call it Burner) then continue with that line. Even if the release schedule is yearly, that will consolidate development and production (increase profit), and re-establish consistency in the market (increase revenue).

      None of this will solve the overall perception of TM in the market, but it’s a step in the right direction. It sounds counter-intuitive, but Callaway is TM’s best friend right now. They’re walking the same path of accelerated release schedules and brand confusion that TM blazed, with no sign of stopping, and that path has only one end…

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      thomas

      9 years ago

      bravo! The other element here is Titleist (who may also get spun out) and Callaway bought companies with identities that they have leveraged or personalities they have leveraged. TM has not. Titleist, FootJoy, Vokey, Cameron…each with strong brand (all as high end). Callaway with Odyssey and Roger Cleveland. Adidas buys Adams (who had identity) but doesn’t do anything to keep the product lines clear say Tmag for everyone, Adams for the Senior Tour. You need clear brand identities. When you are already Adidas, what does Ashworth do for you? That is like Nike buying LoudMouth. So it is really a combo of challenge managing the TaylorMade line of products and then managing a rest of the crap(not that they aren’t good products) that they also acquired. It has purely been a more is better industry consolidation play…the way to number one, is just buy everyone out…then do cost consolidation and presto you own the market and have controlled margins.
      So yes, clean up the product line — but their bigger factor may be can Jason Day continue to perform – can it be a 3 dog race of Day, Spieth and Rory? And do these guys as a whole move the dial to people want to play. Rose doing well, no one cares. Johnson that is good but Day seems to have a much better potential to move the dial.

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      GerryT

      9 years ago

      I will always be an Adams Golf fan. I have played their golf equipment for the past six or so years. I will continue to support them as long as they put out great product. I don’t ever see myself being a Callaway or Ping player. Cobra has garnered the most interest. Titleist is not in the cards for me…other than possibly Vokey wedges. But it will take a lot to earn my trust the way Adams Golf has. So sad that TaylorMade got greedy and went out and blew their wad just to attempt to denigrate a sacred golf equipment brand name like Adams Golf. If I had the money I would have bought them out long ago and not done anything to change them in terms of their location. Thank you TaylorMade for your ignorance of those of us who never had an interest in TM and are brand loyal to Adams Golf! Your ego has taken you over the edge and although I have considered your product, I will continue to support Adams Golf and ignore your desire to reinvent yourself. You have proven to me that you are not worthy of my support! RIP TM, hopefully someone else will see what I’ve seen in Adams Golf and buy them out so that they will not join TM in their self-destruction. BTW, what was the point of dragging Adams Golf into your travesty? Honestly, I never seriously considered TM options, and this debacle goes to prove that you have lost any respect from me!

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      Sebastian Szirmak

      9 years ago

      Victoria Elizabeth

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      Victoria Elizabeth

      9 years ago

      Interesante

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      Matt

      9 years ago

      It’s sad to report, but it is a cycle of business industry wide and golf is dead. The coolness factor came and gone with the rise and fall of Tiger Woods.

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      steve B.

      9 years ago

      Taylormade’s biggest sin? It’s easily the fact that they pumped huge money into building brands that they abandoned. In the history of consumer marketing, no other company has built brands and then not stuck around for the brand equity to kick into gear. It’s truly Marketing 101 stuff….the result? They need to reinvent themselves completely with every product launch….
      They pumped millions into marketing the Rocketballz lineup…and sold a ton. The brand is gone. Speedblades? Gone. The MB, MC, CB irons came the next year and are gone. This year was RSi1, RSi2, RSi TP, etc….they’re soon to gone for good. Frankly, most consumers couldn’t tell you which iron was the GI or the players irons. The whole campaign was BLAH….
      They had R11, R11s, R1, SLDR, SLDR s, SLDR mini, Jetspeed, R15….
      They created the White R11, convinced everyone that it was superior, then released the R11s in the same season, which pissed off the consumers that bought the hype about the R11. You’d better let the consumer at least think that they have your best product.
      If Taylormade is smart, and they aren’t, they would ditch the BLAH names that mean nothing to the consumer. They would make a GI line and call it Rocketballz, release every two year, and have Rocketballz 16. Speedblades can be the players irons. R should be their players drivers, Jetspeed can be their forgiving driver.
      Their golf balls were treated similarly. They released a good ball, the Penta, then abandoned it within 12 months when it didn’t explode. They went TP, then “Lethal”…none were going to get to the top overnight but they abandoned ship with each, and consumers couldn’t keep TM’s balls straight. Really stupid stuff.
      Establishing consistency and keeping the equity that they build is the huge issue going forward. Can anyone imagine Proctor & Gamble creating “Fabreze” with a huge marketing blitz….then replacing the name the next year? The consumers would be seriously confused and sales would plummet. Welcome to Taylormade….

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      steve s

      9 years ago

      Great post. You nailed it. The most successful driver they had was the Burner series. The 2007 version may have been the best ever. I have friends who still swear by it and have bought “backups” just in case.

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      Matt C

      9 years ago

      Most successful driver they ever had was RBZ

      Jeff

      9 years ago

      The only reason I am happy that TM releases clubs so fast is that I can patiently wait for previous year’s technology to be clearance. Right after Christmas last year, I picked up a new R11s, still in the wrapper, for $39! But if I wanted last year’s Ping or Titleist, it would still run me $175-200. This oversaturation of the market is a boon to the bargain shopper like me, and is now the bane of TM and even Adams. Something tells me that although Ping or Titleist are not the market leaders, they are likely more profitable as their quality and product stability holds up their margin.

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      Mark

      9 years ago

      For me, its a question of trust. I just do not trust TaylorMade anymore. I used to have TM Driver, fairway, hybrids and irons in my bag, now I just have a SLDR 3 wood that I got from a pal who won it but didn’t like it.

      Their relentless release of new products was always going to have this effect and if they couldn’t see that then you have to wonder about their execs who I imagine are not making just minimum wage!!! I am no marketing/business brain but I could see this coming.

      RIP TaylorMade

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      Bullwinkle Moose

      9 years ago

      I’m glad TM is tanking, I was a fan of Adams and TM until they destroyed Adams.

      Still I think something is being overlooked here, the golf industry is still in a decline, rounds played are down, and a lot of the older golfers who drove the binge buying are either unable to play anymore or just dying. I’m part of the larger 4 Senior Golfer groups in the N & NW Atlanta Market. 3 of the 4 groups are smaller than they’ve ever been, the courses we play are all reporting rounds played are down for the past 4 years, and new equipment in the groups is pretty much non-existent. I personally think that Taylor Made and Callaway are chasing a ghost of business past. Clinic’s conducted by pro’s for young people are poorly attended, they seem to prefer their golf on video games. Marketing is going to take a different strategy than ever before, and belt tightening is necessary. Stopping sponsorship of so many pro’s should be happening pretty quickly, the manufactures aren’t getting much of a bang for their buck.

      One of the more interesting things I’ve witnessed this year is the New Callaway Chrome Soft Ball is getting more play than any other ball I’ve seen introduced. I know purist hate it but we old guys and a lot of young guys too have bought that Soccer Ball looking Paint job Callaway produced. That has been great in this area, don’t know about anywhere else.

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      Jon

      9 years ago

      I’ve been using a Pro V1X with the Truvis paint job for several years and, whilst may don’t like it, I find it helps by making the ball look like it’s sitting up more. Shame it’s so expensive. The Chrome Soft is a great ball for the money and I think Callaway is to be praised for taking the risk of introducing the first commercial Truvis ball.

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      GerryT

      9 years ago

      I will continue to be a fan and supporter of Adams Golf in spite of the way TM tried to dismantle them. I will always see Adams Golf as separate from TM, as I was always a huge fan of the hybrid irons and will continue to support Adams Golf product as long as things continue. I am hopeful that someone reputable will take over the Adams Golf name so that I can continue to play Adams Golf product for years to come. I find my game at a crossroads now…feeling more rejuvenated and eager to take my game where it hasn’t been before. Hopefully TM will learn from this…you can’t buy out competition without consequences. However having said that, I will always see Adams Golf as distinct from TM, and I will continue to be a fan of Adams Golf apart from TM as I have been all along. Thank you Adams Golf for your great product and for allowing me to enjoy your top notch equipment. I look forward to a continuing relationship with Adams Golf for years to come. As for TM, I feel no regret for the over marketing and barrage of golf clubs as if the product you came out with wasn’t enough. You just got too big for your britches!

      Glen Johnson

      9 years ago

      this means something coming from mygolfspy compared to some others…a massive call and will be fun to watch….I tipped cobra to climb right bk to the top and their shaping up well…….but ping don’t push the boundries and innovate as much as other oems..they believe they know what works and don’t stray much from that at all…’g’ range anyone ?? I own a set of 25s because ya have to atleast once,,but taylormade etc are allowed to have some misses amongst their hits ,id rather they keep this war up and we benefit from the cheap prices and top gear when they get it right instead of tiny changes from release to release ie ping

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      Mike Hall

      9 years ago

      Hyperbole much? Biggest collapse in history? Going from #1 to #1a. Using the term history implies that you actually know some. Wilson? MacGregor? Callaway? This kind of “reporting” is fueling the negativity in the industry.

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      Rod

      9 years ago

      Self inflicted wounds I’m afraid! The golf equipment industry when I started 25 years ago was the province of smaller firms like Wilson, Cobra, McGregor, Spalding & TM pre Adidas. They made good product within a stable industry. Then along came Callaway and later Adidas (in the form of TaylorMade) and Nike where it’s all about marketing, beat the other guy and sell, sell and sell more until the market is saturated. It’s was almost like pyramid selling. Now I guess it is just the maturing of a market and it will stabilise like tennis. Move away from “flavour of the month” ethos to good quality and consistent product. I won’t hold my breathe.

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      Kevin

      9 years ago

      How is Callaway growing market share with those awful commercials??? Seriously, the extreme techno they play makes me want to carve my eardrums out with a broken beer bottle…the image that music and those commercial project is the sole reason I will not consider buying a Callaway product…

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      Johnnythunders

      9 years ago

      as we say inour 4some, stick a fork in them they are done. Taylormade has single handly made golf cheaper for me, i buy 1 year behind the curve or 2 with no loss in performance, equipemt is maxed out. Its pretty much a commidity anymore. For once ueah for the consumer. Best deal lately is the flood of adams pro hybids, less than $50 new. Thanks taylormade you started it and it has finishd you.

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      labillyboy

      9 years ago

      I had a bag that was all TM, even my staff bag was TM… 3 years ago. Since then, I have replaced every piece with various best of breed sticks… I have nothing TM left. Not because I have any negative feelings toward the company, it’s just that in every category someone else makes a better option for me, I’d bag a TM club in a minute if it improved on what I have. What is interesting, is that I now have 6 different manufacturer’s gear in my bag. Freed from brand loyalty, I gravitated to trying everything and being surprised at what I ended up liking. I’d recommend to everyone, lose the brand loyalty, don’t worship the logo. It’s fun to try new gear without being limited to “your” brand.

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      Jon

      9 years ago

      Now that’s a fact. I did too. What this says to me is that the rush to market is their problem. They should slow down and focus on real innovations that are not out of date so soon after buying, and that many of their recent “innovations” haven’t been that innovative so golfers like you and me don’t trust them so much these days. TM needs to regain the trust now by focussing on quality not quantity.

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      Ron Grabau

      9 years ago

      Due to Billy Holbrook & Cobra! Oh yeah, Rickie Fowler too!!

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      PLAY GREAT GOLF

      9 years ago

      Yup :/

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      Jeffrey Hutchins

      9 years ago

      Chris Hendrix

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      Chris Hendrix

      9 years ago

      Everything in the new line is terrible.

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      Jeffrey Hutchins

      9 years ago

      It had to catch up with them eventually. . Can’t keep putting new stuff out every 3 months.

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      Chris Hendrix

      9 years ago

      Twice a year would be ideal

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      Andre

      9 years ago

      Taylor Made is still N° 1.
      N° 1 in what will happen to all the mainstreaml golf industry.
      This industry indeed relies on ongoing and accelerating renewal of golfers bags which, at a time were technological improvements are marginal, cannot last for ever. One cannotlive on fooling one’s customers for ever .
      The very admirable thing with Taylor Made is that they were first to understand that standard golf clubs were just commodities, with no real differences between brands, except for the marketing. And there marketing was best…

      Disposing of Taylor Made by Adidas is sound , as was diposing of all its golf branch by Acushnet…

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      Rex

      9 years ago

      Errrr…. credibility is typically enhanced when one knows how to spell… or speak for that matter. Helpful hint of the day #2: It’s spelled TaylorMade.

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      stephenf

      9 years ago

      Errrr…credibility is actually enhanced when one doesn’t nitpick about such ridiculousness, and instead sticks with the substance of the matter.

      Rex

      9 years ago

      Ahhhh yes, function over form…. I prefer to wipe the grime from my wedges.

      Steven

      9 years ago

      What a clever golf pun in retort. Wit is alive and well, people!

      Andre

      9 years ago

      Great comment ! So sorry you were the one who did not understand…

      Rex

      9 years ago

      Helpful hint of the day: Reader comprehension and writer credibility are mutually exclusive concepts. Oh, the irony in that hint…

      andrew

      9 years ago

      you know, English may not be his first language…

      harry

      9 years ago

      lol at all these comments saying TM should be more like mizuno or cobra. Those company’s live in an entirely different world, with much less market share making even less money than TM?!

      it’s a damn shame they’ve been paying $$$$ for all those driver wins too … like JB Holmes (srixon) / Padraig Harrington (wilson) / Troy Merritt (wilson) / Shane Lowry (srixon) or Soren Kjedlson (srixon) over in Europe … oh wait

      Regardless of the business models, TM still make the best performing metalwoods on the market and because of the product cycles, you can pick them up for cheaper if you can’t afford them on the launch date which is awesome for students and young golfers etc

      I didn’t realise so many people on here were pro’s stocking TM clubs and stuck with the old ones as everyone claims to be! Although, if y’all hate them as much as you say, why are you stocking them in the first place?

      I’ll stick with my SLDR for $100 whilst you’re all out spending $$$ on mizuno and titleist.

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      Xyng

      9 years ago

      With people like u buying $100 TM, the supporting role of TM downfall

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      fred

      9 years ago

      Golf equipment and clothes are seasonal items, To expect seasonal to be every quarterly earnings conference call complete with rosy numbers is insane. Perhaps a golf equipment company should not be a public company.

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      RON

      9 years ago

      This just made my day. Their clubs are just too expensive and cheaply made at the same time, and they pay every pro out there to use their driver which is just wrong.

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      stephenf

      9 years ago

      I mean, when you start coming out with stuff like replaceable faces on wedges as if it would make no difference in feel whatsoever…or when your flagship forged player’s irons really can’t beat the top four or five (or more, depending on year) from other manufacturers…

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      RON

      9 years ago

      This just made my day. looooool

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      Regis

      9 years ago

      I think Taylormade makes the best woods and always have. Their stock shaft selection leaves a lot to be desired. In terms of innovation, those slots that everybody laughed at have found their way into Titleist woods and the new Mizuno GI irons. They also brought the adjustable driver/fairway/rescue (hybrid) to the masses and I for one won’t buy a fixed hosel metal any more. But they kept bringing too many new models to market and quite frankly I see Callaway making the same mistake. As others have stated, you’ll see a slowing down of new product introduction with all top manufacturers. Finally, I must take issue with the author re: Ashworth. For my tastes they have always produced some of the best classic design quality golf wear.

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      Donn Rutkoff

      9 years ago

      I am fully confuzed at the # of models and cycle. I also think that the TPC type courses, the hi $$$, high rating and slope, tricked up designs, kill off interest among the ordinary. If you need a scout or an electronic googaw to tell you where the fairway is on every hole, courses designed to challenge the 8 or better hcap, it kills off the middle class and the blue collar family.

      And can I add a non-sequitir? Anybody play Musty wood putters? I recently tried one and yipe, it is maybe worth the $$$. No yip. Yipes, like yikes, this thing is delightful to use.

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      Cale Thompson

      9 years ago

      Brian Love They Gone!

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      Brian Love

      9 years ago

      They might not be #1 in golf, but their driver is still #1 in my bag!!!

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      Jon

      9 years ago

      Everyone knows that TaylorMade makes good clubs but the problem is that no one wants to pay a premium price for something that is out of date a few months after purchase and offered at a major discount. Also troubling is to be constantly told that the newest development is revolutionary, only to find the big idea wrong with the launch of something different subsequently.

      TaylorMade need to reduce their financial expectations and focus on a more Titleist-like launch schedule of two year cycles. I fear that Callaway is heading the wrong way too: who can keep up with their driver launch schedule these days? it’s hard to know what each type is for.

      Another pressure on TaylorMade must be the breadth of their Tour Pro sponsorship – they must be paying out too much on this given the drop in their sales. Time to rationalise numbers and focus on an elite few, like Cobra has done with Rickie Fowler and Underarmour has done with Jordan Spieth.

      I for one would be saddened by the loss of TaylorMade (although I have to confess I don’t carry any of their products in my bag). They need to focus on quality not quantity of product, for which they should allow themselves a longer premium.

      Finally, the person who described Titleist as a ball company that makes clubs overlooks the quality of their products: their 915 woods and irons are the best yet. Titleist Vokey wedges are runaway winners in all test and who doesn’t admire Titleist Scotty Cameron putters? Titleist is an all round golf company that focusses on excellence. Try their products before denigrating them inappropriately.

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      dr. bloor

      9 years ago

      Titleist *is* a ball company that makes clubs–they’ll admit as much themselves. The point is, they make their money on balls, which allows them to avoid the pressures of churning product on the club side. When you hear someone say that, it’s not to denigrate the quality of their clubs.

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      Jon

      9 years ago

      Yeah right. Attempting to confine someone to one activity in this way is a standard technique to suggest that everything else they do is worthless. If I were to say that you are a golfer who does medicine, I suspect patients might find another medic.

      I must have missed the statement by Titleist that “we are a ball company that makes clubs”. Their “Mission” which is set out in corporate speak on their website makes no reference to this, referring instead to “products and services”. Can’t see any news releases or statements that support your claim either. So Doc, I think you may need to get your eyes checked as it appears you are seeing things on the page that simply don’t exist.

      Chal

      9 years ago

      Actually, if everyone remembers last years Most Wanted, the SLDR was the best driver across the board. I also know it works well for my game. The RSI irons are good clubs as well. Their lineup definitely did not resonate this year though.

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      Phillip Kushman

      9 years ago

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      Aaron Thompson

      9 years ago

      The first 3 times were enough lol

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      Dmilk

      9 years ago

      What do Titleist, Mizuno & Ping have in common? 2 year product life cycles. They don’t release a product for the sake of releasing a product, unless it’s truly innovative. If TM took this concept seriously, they’d have a chance to recover.

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      Sam Peterson

      9 years ago

      I’ve expected bad numbers like this from TMG for a while…it seemed inevitable that they would over saturate the market with an ever expanding line of slightly rebranded clubs. Coupled with a comparative lack of focus on fitting and you have a recipe for disaster. The most unfortunate thing is that they’re dragging Adams down with them…..

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      steve s

      9 years ago

      It finally dawned on most of the golfing public that if you want a “new” Taylormade driver or irons you just wait 6 months and you get it for half price. Or wait a year and get it for 1/3 of the original price. Bringing out a new driver or irons 2-3 times a year was stupid. Especially since there was little difference in performance.

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      James M

      9 years ago

      Troy, it is brand loyalty. For me i highly doubt I will hit the ball further than I already do. I hit my irons pretty decent. The iron design of today promotes clunky-ness. I am glad TM decided to give a black head as an option. My clubs were custom built for me and I prefer a heavy shaft in my driver. The clubs I liked were the Adams and Bridgestone. But to answer your question, I have hit on the launch monitor the differences are negligible for me. I will wait till I see something I like.

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      wodle

      9 years ago

      It seems to me that all golf equipment companies have priced themselves out of competition. think about it… Not too terribly long ago, and I guess, still to this day the USGA has preached about “growing the game”. Unfortunately for most people, with unemployment rates at all time highs, they can’t afford new equipment, which means they can’t afford to play and that means they can’t afford to buy new equipment. For the last several years most companies are about “newer, and better” EVERY YEAR, a lot of people have figured out if they want new irons, or new metal woods, they just wait until the end of the summer to get their equipment for fractions of the cost. Prices plummet around this time of year just to get things off the shelf in anticipation of the “new technology” of next year. In my opinion they did it to themselves. When new drivers were along the lines of 200-250.00, and irons around 6-700.00 People could justify the cost of “upgrading” Now you are talking about 4-500 for a driver and over a grand for irons. The cost to actually make the equipment really hasn’t changed all that much, it’s actually the smallest part of the equation of cost. The overhead of the company which includes research and development, upper management salaries, advertisement blitz, and player endorsements has made that price almost unattainable by most…

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      Hula_Rock

      9 years ago

      You hit the nail on the head !!!!! Bravo

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      Robin Owens

      9 years ago

      Ebay has really changed the way I buy and sell golf clubs. I hate going to the golf store. I would rather buy a used club from eBay on the cheap.Than save money and buy a club at full price at a golf store.

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      Joe Ramirez

      9 years ago

      Great point. I think even retailers are going to eBay to liquidate aging inventory. I joined eBay not necessarily for the better deals in buying, but in being able to sell old equipment, instead of getting ripped off on trading stuff in at the big box stores.

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      John

      9 years ago

      The problem with eBay is counterfeit merchandise. There was an article out a while back stating that almost 60% of golfer’s have at least 1 counterfeit club in their bag. This is because of eBay and other “discount” online retailers selling counterfeit clubs online. There has been a law law firm at the past few PGA Shows in Orlando that represent all the major OEM’s. They have clubs on the table that look identical, but when they show them on a scale or cut open to view the inner workings, they are all over the board. For years, I have had customers coming into my shop to get a new shaft in their driver they “stole” on eBay or another site. I can’t tell you how many times the hosel bore was a wrong diameter or the paint color didn’t size up. I had legitimate accounts with OEMs and they were buying these clubs at half my wholesale cost? Deduct eBay and PayPal fees and they are selling for 35-40% of my wholesale cost. Really? Be smarter guys… you get what you pay for!!!

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      Garry

      9 years ago

      If Taylor is in as bad of shape as above says, Titleist doesn’t have a prayer when the Korean’s take them public. If the Korean hedge fund is bailing out, golf is in worse shape them people think. The orient is where the growth is supposed to come from

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      Iain Stoddart

      9 years ago

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      DB

      9 years ago

      Definitely interesting that TM pushed the “low and forward” CG and completely screwed themselves. That wasn’t TM’s only problem, but it’s interesting to note the most popular drivers this year – G30, 915, FlyZ, all have rearward CGs and are built to be forgiving.

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      James M

      9 years ago

      I personally have an all TM bag. My irons are also 12 years old and driver is 7 years old. I have yet to find clubs that match what I presently own. My irons are the 2004 CB irons and they are classic looking yet not a burden to hit. My driver is the R9. I have yet to hit a driver as far. I am an 8 handicap. Far from a pro but I like what I like and tend to keep it in my bag till I find something that appeals to me. Taylormade doesn’t do that anymore.

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      Troy S

      9 years ago

      James,
      If you haven’t found any clubs that match what you presently own that are that old, you obviously haven’t been looking very hard.
      I am sure that you could go to any place that has a club fitting center and you could find numerous drivers and irons that easily outpace what you currently play.
      I understand being brand loyal, but…..

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      GeoGolf

      9 years ago

      It’s happening at all ends, with really no end in sight. Unless they totally revamp their business model.

      Think if you owned a golf course. Would you buy 20 drivers at $300.00 a piece wholesale and try to move them to MAYBE make 20 dollars profit on each one. If you don’t….you have worthless inventory- because another driver was just introduced.

      Oh yes, and with less golfers than there were pre 1997 (Tiger Boom) who’s going to buy them?

      Add that to a golf course closing about every 2 days nationwide………… hello ?

      They paid their way to the top- and now will be paying their way down, unless they change.

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      Joe Ramirez

      9 years ago

      Yes, the idea that Tiger has grown the game is a myth.

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      Tony Brooks

      9 years ago

      Taylormade has always been over hyped and overpriced for what it actually is… now get on the “Mizuno” train before it leaves the station!!!

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      Jennifer Arvan

      9 years ago

      They might not be #1 in golf, but their driver is still #1 in my bag!!!

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      Kevin VanAmburg

      9 years ago

      LOVE my SLDR

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      ryan

      9 years ago

      All Taylormade needs to do is revamp the R7 SuperQuad throw in a bad ass shaft and then bring back the TP Black golf ball… BOOM fixed.

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      Mark

      9 years ago

      totally agree…..that driver was unreal but isn’t that technology banned (trampoline face)

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      Michael Wills

      9 years ago

      With Usga regulations and all the rules on clubs it will be hard for all manufacturers to sell new clubs. If you play iron manufactured in the last 5 or so years something released today will not be much better. TM saturated the market. It’s was an least 2 drivers a year sometimes more.

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      Jody Woodward

      9 years ago

      They cheapened their own brand by offering to many drivers. “Why buy one at $400 today when it’ll be $200 in 6 months.”

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      Andy AnderSon

      9 years ago

      may only be $100 or even $50

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      Sam Peterson

      9 years ago

      Case in point….I just upgraded from an RBZ to an lightly used SLDR for $115.

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      Joe Rivas

      9 years ago

      Didn’t they purchase Adams to avoid the lawsuit vs Adams? I think they stole that slotline idea from Adams.

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      Eron

      9 years ago

      Looks like I’ll be picking up r15 heads on the cheap and hopefully a set of the rsi tour preferred.

      The clubs work, there’s not much to differentiate between manufacturer’s anyway. R15 was miles better for me than the g30, ss above 120 and a 12.5 launch angle, g30 went up into the clouds not to mention sounded god awful (preferences) but worked better for my friend whose a slower ss player.

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      KV

      9 years ago

      I agree with all the other posters. I’ve been playing TM for years and now wait 6 to 9 months for the previous release to go on “fire sale” and pick it up 40 to 50 cents on the dollar. Same for shoes. Quit releasing so many products, use the brilliant R&D to release something special and we’ll take a different approach to the brand.

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      Benjamin Lee

      9 years ago

      TM got too big too fast and now having to readjust. When TM introduced the R11, it just boosted their company to new heights. Then they rode that wave getting bigger and bigger, thinking that the sales were sustainable in the future but finding that it is not.

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      Micah Montgomery

      9 years ago

      Aren’t golf equipment sales down across the board? Not only Tmag but every OEM? I mean good for golf if it leveled off a little for Callaway but with Tmags 2 week rotation on releases everyone saw it coming. It’s not like Tmags equipment suddenly took a nose dive in quality they’re just putting out too much too fast.

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      Micah Montgomery

      9 years ago

      I still love my Tmag sticks.

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      Gary Johnson

      9 years ago

      Probably why the TRUE custom club business (not just buying Taylormade or Callaway components) is growing by leaps and bounds.

      Tom Wishon Golf, PURE Grips, Hireko Golf, Alpha Golf

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      fleeter

      9 years ago

      There was a huge flurry in golf sales when TM rose to the top of the heep. That flurry, however has subsided. Golf merch sales in general are lower across the board. The economy and rising prices are stopping your average golfer from re-tooling every year. The bottom line is people just can’t afford it. A lot of people now seem to wait a year and buy cheap when the new models come out and the remaining old stock gets discounted. There’s always that end of the spectrum that want to play what the pro’s play and yet they too are trending toward the wait and buy cheap method. For me, golf gear is very personal and when I get something I love in my bag I tend to stick with it and not jump at the latest greatest.

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      LB

      9 years ago

      When they were at their recent peak, their marketing (while controversial) was so extreme that scaling it back recently has made their products seem less compelling. That combined with products that are indeed less compelling (SLDR, Speedblade and RSI irons, Jetspeed and Aeroburner woods) and they’re in a bad position product-wise. Financial issues will make fixing the situation will be difficult.

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      Dave S

      9 years ago

      Not sure why the RSi irons didn’t catch-on more with consumers as they are – by all accounts and MGS testing to-boot – very solid performers and do what they say they will. Maybe the face slots were just too much mumbo-jumbo for the average consumer to buy-into, even if they do work. Also, they’re pretty ugly… maybe that’s the real reason.

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      Jro

      9 years ago

      WOW, is TM screwed up. The first thing was Mark King, who I have known for years and who is a great guy coming out with way too many offerings too close together. I said he would ruin the business by that and it is happening. That said, TM has the name, the facility to make great clubs, and can rise up again if done right.

      I don’t think those that run the Company now have a clue. They have the name, now build a product that is better and don’t flood the market with new stuff every few weeks. Cut the promotions costs way back by cutting back on the tour and everyone else they give stuff to. And quit scrawling the Pros and wholesalers who buy from them.

      They don’t need 10K players on their staff to show they have good stuff and that all costs a ton of money. Having been in that end of the business I know how costly that is and it is carried over to the consumer to pay the bills. That whole company has been throwing money away for years.

      It is way time for someone to get in there and start making great clubs and cut the spending to bring it back. It has been going down for years, it just in the last couple of years that it caught up and showed it. Straighten it up, it still can be done, duh.

      TM reminds me of some of these athletes who aren’t smart enough to save anything for when they are done. Spend it while you have it and when it is over, so are you.

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      John Duval

      9 years ago

      Quality has hurt TMAG also. Their stock shaft offerings are the worst in the business as far as consistency. Ask any good custom clubmaker and he’ll show you barrels full of shafts they’ve pulled from TaylorMade woods.

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      Tj Kern

      9 years ago

      Mr.Duval that is the truest thing I’ve seen in a long time!!! Crap shafts for 10 plus years

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      Mike McClellan

      9 years ago

      Amen

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      Scott Boulware

      9 years ago

      Reason they are pulled is so that the all knowing custom club maker can up sell the golfer on a high dollar shaft. Thx

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      John Duval

      9 years ago

      Not at all Scott. They are pulled because their specs are frequently way off, making the club unplayable. It’s almost unavoidable with mass produced inexpensive shafts and all the major OEMs have issues, but TMAG are the worst.

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      PLAY GREAT GOLF

      9 years ago

      I agree :/

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      Tony Pierce

      9 years ago

      In your Past vs Present chart, Callaway doesn’t make a Putter…shouldn’t it probably be Odyssey? Otherwise great article!

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      dan

      9 years ago

      You’re probably right; however, I use a ‘Bobby Jones’ putter that has ‘Callaway’ on it, not Odyssey. It’s pretty old, though…

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      Joe Ramirez

      9 years ago

      Scotty Cameron is Titleist…

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      GeoGolf

      9 years ago

      No,,,,, Golf Balls are Titleist Cameron products (and their other clubs) are not as big.

      Think of it this way. Titleist is a ball company that makes clubs.

      Joe Ramirez

      9 years ago

      You missed my point I guess.

      Bagger Vance

      9 years ago

      Callaway owns Odyssey

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      Dave S

      9 years ago

      This ^^

      MFB

      9 years ago

      The whole golf industry is in trouble, equipment manufacturers to golf courses and everyone in between.

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      Jmorla

      9 years ago

      My first set of legit clubs were the R7 and they lasted 4 seasons. I think when I went to get a new set they were at r11 and had gone through the entire burner series too. Rll’s cost too much and the r9’s were super cheap. I started looking to other brands and happy that I did so. Why do want to pay top dollar for something I can get for over half off in a few months. Taylor made is a joke

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      Gorse Richard

      9 years ago

      Consumers became tired of TM marketing BS and they will also become tired of Callaway BS. For golf to grow again governing bodies need to make some fundamental changes. New equipment rules which will allow brands to provide real innovation and distance for the 99%. Unfortunately pros are already hitting the ball too far, so they are going to have to bite the bullet and realise holding back everyone else just to try and keep a break on the 1% isn’t going to work any longer. There also needs to be more variety on tours; bring in some different style events with new formats to create a new equipment buzz. Pros are going to have be used in a different way to market the new equipment.

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      Davide Mattucci

      9 years ago

      Was just having a conversation yesterday about how cool the Stableford format was at Barracuda, and how exciting Match Play is! Wish the PGA would do more of this. 72 hold stroke play is great, but it can be boring and repetitive. Wish they would take a lesson from Ryder Cup and even try a team match play regular season event. Couldn’t agree more, definitely more variety.

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      Gorse Richard

      9 years ago

      The sooner the better.

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      Chances Are

      9 years ago

      It’s not the equipment; it’s the courses and cost. They do not lower the rim for us mortals or let us play on stilts.

      Courses need to lose the stodgy attitudes, and pricing needs to morph into all you can eat memberships.

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      Gorse Richard

      9 years ago

      the problem with the equipment is that actual ‘real’ gains that are stated in marketing are complete BS. It gets tiring reading the same marketing line every few months on another similar driver etc. the only reason for the current equipment rules are to try and retrain the pros. While at the same time vast majority of golfers with work and family commitments could do with the very latest technology to help improve their games. handicaps haven’t improved for years, technology in clubs hasn’t really improved for years. there is a problem with golf courses, unfortunately there are far too many 18 hole courses located in rural areas. golfers expect their courses to be well maintained for an 18 hole course the costs are substantial. if different formats and events were included on the major tours this would have a positive effect on developing new variants for golf which are more relevant to our time constraints. golf needs to change and adapt or just become a game for the rich and elite.

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      KFilly20

      9 years ago

      I play a lot of TM in my bag for a few reasons.

      1. You can get the same year model on the cheap because they release so many products.

      2. Despite what the naysayers want to tell you they do make really good clubs.

      3. I’ve been playing TM since I was a kid and have just kind of never changed.

      That being said I’m going to hit some new woods and hybrids today to see if I want to replace the TM’s in my bag. We’ll see I guess.

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      Brett W

      9 years ago

      IMO, people are starting to figure out that forward and low is a terrible place to have the COG, especially for amateurs. Just look at the success of the g30. Plus read another recent mygolfspy article of COG and it’ll tell you that, where physics are concerned, the COG that will give you the most forgiveness with the most distance is as far back as possible and as close to the neutral axis. Taylormade just doesn’t perform unless it’s struck in the sweet spot. Not to mention I think people are getting tired of new clubs every six months

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      Person

      9 years ago

      Well that’s a given; if you look at any real data or studies done on CG placement both forward vs back and high vs low you will see that in no circumstance would a low forward CG benefit an armature golfer. For most it would not provide enough spin and/or would have a really low ball flight that would appear to just knuckle around in the air. Those clubs are only suited for players that have a really high launch angle and need less spin on their drivers.

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      Steve Pike

      9 years ago

      Agree with most of it but Callaway’s “resurgence” is a bit overstated given the fact that sales were down in each category the first six months of this year, including 23 percent in its core metal woods category. The company’s sales estimates for the second six months is only around $350M – that’s not great. Callaway Golf’s sales and earnings the first six months of this year each were considerably less than the same period a year ago. Given its history, it’s doubtful Callaway will make money in Q3 and Q4.

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      Tony Covey

      9 years ago

      Callaway’s Net Sales are actually down less than 1% on a currency neutral basis but up 6% on a constant currency basis. Projections are basically flat for the remainder of the year. Lots of numbers and stuff about currency neutral vs. constant currency – so it’s easy to cherry pick to fit whatever argument wants to make, but overall the US market is up for Callaway, while at the same time the company has decreased inventory (good for business) and increased gross margins from 39.2% to 44.1% (also a positive).

      From a market share perspective, Callaway now owns 21.4% of the total hard goods market, is the category leader in fairway woods, hybrids, irons, and putters, and is now #2 in the ball category.

      I’m certainly not a fan of what they’ve done with their releases of late, and I think the usefulness of its tech is overstated, but resurgence is definitely not an overstatement. If recent trends continue, Callaway could be the category leader for every club in the bag other than the wedge by the end of next year.

      Overall, the mood is positive at Callaway, which is certainly not the case with TaylorMade.

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      Steve Pike

      9 years ago

      Every company operates on currency neutral and constant currency. The number I look at is that Callaway’s metal woods sales were down 18 percent (constant currency) the first six month of this year. Any time sales drop in your core business category there should be a concern. Because Callaway Golf is a public company, the only number that really counts is the one on the bottom line, which says that Callaway Golf’s six-month earnings was $10 million less than the same period in 2014.

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      Steve Pike

      9 years ago

      I think Callaway Golf is a much better company under Brewer than Fellows and its product line is strong, although I don’t really see the need for two more Big Bertha drivers at this time of year, especially at those price points. That said, I’m not sure we can interpret TaylorMade Golf’s decline as strength from its competitors. Callaway’s numbers, I think, just don’t warrant it. On the other hand, Callaway is really the only barometer we have because it’s a public company. I would say that the strongest equipment company in golf today is PING Golf, based on the success of its G30 driver, according to Golf Datatech numbers.

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      MyGolf Spy

      9 years ago

      The G30 driver family has been especially strong for PING, but it’s important to realize that when PING trumpets G30 sales, it’s actually talking about 3 different drivers. It’s a positive, but the rest of the lineup has seen, at best, average performance at retail.

      While competition is stronger than it’s been, TaylorMade has made a number of missteps, so, yeah, as you suggest, there’s a lot more to this than the industry getting stronger around them.

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      Steve Pike

      9 years ago

      Agree on each count. Enjoyed the debate

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      Jeff Moore

      9 years ago

      Is ping now the best all around golf club manufacturer in golf not saying they are just a question

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      John Duval

      9 years ago

      Best all around clubs is pretty subjective, but I think most would agree that PING Golf customers are the most brand-loyal in golf.

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      Jason Hopkins

      9 years ago

      How are other brands going?
      EG: Nike, Stixon, Mizuno etc.
      What roll if any have they played. Where has TM’s market share gone?

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      Jason Hopkins

      9 years ago

      Srixon.

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      Sam Peterson

      9 years ago

      Top to bottom, I’d probably give the nod to Titleist….

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      Steve Pike

      9 years ago

      Acushnet (Titleist and FootJoy) because each have stable management and consistent product cycles. PING Golf is the same but doesn’t have the sugar daddy of a giant golf ball operation

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      Steve Pike

      9 years ago

      Despite TaylorMade Golf’s problems and challenges – and they are many – most golf companies would love to have its sales and earnings numbers. My guess is, at year’s end, TaylorMade Golf will still have larger earnings than Callaway Golf.

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      Joe Rivas

      9 years ago

      Steve, I’d say the prov1 ball gives titleist a lot of luxuries. Like not throwing a new club out there every year. Vokey and Cameron are strong but that prov1 makes money !!

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      John Duval

      9 years ago

      Jason, I know Srixon is doing better than they thought they would since reintroducing the brand in the US. I can’t speak for sale figures but I know they are very happy with the growth they’ve seen so far in 2015…

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      PLAY GREAT GOLF

      9 years ago

      Yup :

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      John Indorf

      9 years ago

      Troy Kilroy just to fuel the fire

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      Tyler Fisher

      9 years ago

      I loved when DA was there. He was a stud Ryan Sawyer and Joshua Huss

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      Ryan Holcomb

      9 years ago

      This is why companies should hire top designers and less finance geeks. One pushes innovation and cool while the other pushes share holder returns that collapse.

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      Ryan Holcomb

      9 years ago

      The MFA is the new MBA

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      Joshua Huss

      9 years ago

      Can’t say I saw this coming

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      Chris Peyton

      9 years ago

      Releasing drivers every year doesn’t help….average at best irons wedges and putters….no surprise

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      Paul Taylor

      9 years ago

      Figures

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      Nick Flack

      9 years ago

      Not a big surprise.
      Good read.

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      Paul Taylor

      9 years ago

      Stop firing so many good hard workers and smart people who once believed your stuff was the best….leading industry in adjustbility and you make a bonded driver no one can truly test…..idiots!!

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      Craig

      9 years ago

      Hey Paul,
      The first adjustable driver was made way back in 1995. A hell of a long time before TM or any other company came up with the concept. Since the USGA made a ruling on the core of a driver head to be .830 there has been no new technology. It has also been proved that the so called slots on a wood head or iron head DON’T work as they are supposed to. TM hasn’t made a fully adjustable bonded wood head yet have they, but they are already on the market. This head can be adjusted 4* up or down and 4* open or closed.

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      Eric Cuppett

      9 years ago

      This is why I started buying Independent brands. BombTech,Snell Golf balls,etc.

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      Pierce Clark

      9 years ago

      Been considering a bombtech but it puts me off that I can’t try it before hand.

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      Mike McClellan

      9 years ago

      Pierce Bombtech has a 60 day money back policy. I sell them through my golf business and they are great drivers and so far everybody that has hit them gains in all categories.

      Reply

      Eric Cuppett

      9 years ago

      Do yourself a favor and Pull the Pin. You won’t be disappointed. ?https://www.facebook.com/BombTechGolf

      Reply

      Jamie Colburn

      9 years ago

      Yes I really wish I could hit one before I drop $300.

      Reply

      Eric Cuppett

      9 years ago

      60 day guarantee, also have some pre-owned for sale at a discounted price.

      Reply

      Scott Boulware

      9 years ago

      Yah tons of professionals play that product! Really? Don’t come back w manufacturers paying the pros. They all do

      Reply

      Tyler Fisher

      9 years ago

      Sad

      Reply

      Ryan Sawyer

      9 years ago

      Joshua Huss Tyler Fisher

      Reply

      Joe Gendron

      9 years ago

      Great read!

      Reply

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