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TaylorMade R1 and RBZ Stage 2 – What’s the Story with Those Crown Graphics?

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Coming Soon: TaylorMade R1 & RBZ Stage 2

Unless you’ve basically been living in a bunker for the last several weeks you’ve very likely already seen pictures of TaylorMade’s upcoming R1 and RBZ Stage 2 woods lineup.

If TaylorMade’s plan was to keep everything under-wraps until early January, that ship has long since sailed…and sunk.  Pics, some real, some real fake, have been floating about the interwebs for a number of weeks now. The latest round of spy pics aren’t coming out of factories. They’ve emerged from sources within multiple proshops, leaving us with little doubt that what you see, is what you’re going to get.

A Story for Everything

When TaylorMade does make their official announcement we expect there won’t be any shortage of storylines.

You can be certain the resigned compass-like ASP plate is going to offer even more control over face angle. Both drivers apparently will feature an all-lofts-in-one-head design similar to Cobra’s MyFly, and Nike’s FlexLoft. TaylorMade may even talk about a refined head shape with weights in the R1 placed closer to the face.

We fully expect that the announcement of the new RBZ Stage 2 Fairway Wood will be accompanied by a yardage claim; maybe even a double-digit one. Readers will immediately want to know how it compares to Callaway’s upcoming XHot. Begun, the fairway wood wars have…again.

Golfers will care about that stuff…all of that stuff, but the untold story that’s sure to generate the most interest…

What the hell is the deal with those crown graphics?

You’ve got lines, and patterns, and colors. There’s basically a lot going on.

The early feedback wasn’t kind (to say the least). Initially I thought TaylorMade was sitting on top of their biggest bust in years, but opinions, including my own, have tempered of late. Frankly, none of that matters. Find it beautiful. Find it hideous. Be indifferent. It doesn’t matter what you think. TaylorMade wouldn’t release it, if they weren’t sure they could sell it.

For all the hype, I’m one who has come to believe that TaylorMade’s stuff performs as well (and sometimes better) than most anything else on the market today. Of course, performance isn’t even half the equation. It’s the story that matters most, and nobody in the industry spins a yarn as well as TaylorMade.

You Tell the Story

So while we wait patiently for the “Official” version we thought it might be fun for you guys to speculate (and wildly so) on the story behind the elaborate crown graphics. Put on your psychic caps and tell us how you think TaylorMade is going to sell the crown design.

{ 118 comments… read them below or add one }

blstrong (SeeRed) December 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm

“You want ugly to the point of distraction? Have we got the clubs for you! Now when you stand too long over that shot you know you shouldn’t take, you’ll at least have some busy crown graphics to look at and distract you from too many swing thoughts. Plus, you’ll be 18 yards further into the rough or trees when you do finally hit it!”

I was never very good at marketing…

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RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 12:01 am

Hey Dude, good to see ya back on the site! Where the hell have ya been? :-)

Drop in to the forum!

Have a Merry Christmas & a Blessed Holiday season

My Best, Richard

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Richard Valdez December 12, 2012 at 2:07 pm

To be honest I think TM is going to sell it as their take on what TrueAim does on your driver. They will state these graphics create an optical aiming device that will allow the player to better line up the club.

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Damon December 12, 2012 at 4:53 pm

I was thinking the same thing.

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DTR December 12, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Thank you for shopping at Walmart come again.

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Ron December 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm

dtr you read my mind. lol

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Christian Furu December 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm

These clubs are just beautiful. Modern works of art. Instead of staying within old boundaries TM are redefining what a golf club can look like.

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Super Tuna December 12, 2012 at 4:16 pm

Impressive spin.

I suspect they’ll go with the aiming idea though.

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Ron December 12, 2012 at 2:14 pm

Looks like something you can pick up at Walmart.

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RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 12:04 am

Dude, it’s great to have ya back!! I was wonderin when you were gonna drop back in.

Have a Happy & Healthy Holiday season!

My Best,
Richard

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GolfSpy Matt December 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm

Perhaps with the RBZ crown graphic, they’re looking to change the golfer’s vocabulary. Instead of hitting a drive OB left, it went “OB grey” (right would be “OB white”). Though the R1 contradicts that, the grey is on the right. Damn.

“FORE GREY!”

Meh. The real story is: ugly.

-Matt

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Westy December 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm

Think I could live with the RBZ, I’m not easily distracted by design (my inability is purely swing related!)- but the R1 is a bit to busy even for me.

But given I thought I’d hate oversize drivers, graphite shafts, white heads……lets put it this way, if it works I’ll give it a go…..aesthetics can go hang if it performs.

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Mike December 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm

When you have nothing new and are trying to recycle old ideas, what you do is cosmetics. The old addage in the car industry is: how do you sell a pig? Add lots of chrome to it!

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Mike December 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm

Taylor Made has been a smoke and mirror company for years. Although an awful lot of PGA pros are using their products, how many tournaments did they win this year?

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Mike December 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm

I think the compass on the sole of the R1 is to point the way home for disappointed golfers who play this product.

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Displayname December 12, 2012 at 2:50 pm

I’m willing to bet they try to sell enhanced alignment as a big part of both graphics. With the RBZ stage two, the point of the triangle draws more attention towards the angles at the back making the head appear larger, inspiring confidence for more center faced hits creating more distance and precision. The R1 graphics will be sold as making the head appear smaller with the heavy contrast in colors, highlighting the smaller white part of the head. This will appeal to better players looking for greater workability The shaping of the white area created on the R1 will also help focus on face angle, making it more visible when you open/shut the club face.

I’m sure they have science and numbers behind any lofty claims they are going to make. The big thing about marketing vs science is that if it works for 10 out of 1000 golfers after given the explanation of what the club does (aka placebo) then they can market it as the best thing since sliced bread, even though it’s only “viable” at best according to the numbers.

But it’s all just fluff. They will put these in a ton of tour pros hands (along with a check) and just watch the money roll in as the clubs roll out.

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Rookieblue7 December 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm

My thinking, at least on the RBZ2, is that the graphics on that crown is an oversized alignment aid that they’ve adopted from the research of the aim point system (even though they won’t say that), and they’ll market it as “improved alignment”.

The R1 I’m not certain about what they’ll say it is other than something to “strike fear into your opponents” with the “hottest driver in golf”.

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Displayname December 12, 2012 at 2:53 pm

“strike fear into your opponents” – Haha, probably dead on with the new ball being titled “Lethal”.

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Mike December 12, 2012 at 2:52 pm

These products make the Nike VR_S Covert look extremely attractive, not to mention the Tour Edge Exotics XCG – 6! I think Tour Edge can possibly become the next Adams Golf. Callaway, in my opinion, is still finding its way. Good products, but uninspired. I don’t tend to be a fan boy for any company. I play with what works for me.

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Christian Furu December 12, 2012 at 2:59 pm

The white part of the R1 has the shape of an old CGB hybrid. You will not even notice the graphics when you focus on the ball.

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mP December 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm

You may recall the thinking behind this:

http://www.mytrueaim.com

And then look again at the target demographics for each model, and then the paint scheme.
Makes sense after that.

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Ryan December 12, 2012 at 4:13 pm

Fake!!!

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Super Tuna December 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm

???
Real deal.

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RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 12:06 am

Dude, are you on drugs?

Seriously, you’re amongst friends.

We won’t say a thing to anyone :-p

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Dmac December 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm

I hope niether perform cos I really don’t want to end up playing them. Good god there awful.
Fair enough if graphics are going to become popular that’s fine but these haven’t even been done well.

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GarnetinOz December 12, 2012 at 6:09 pm

Theft proof your driver … its so $%^*ing ugly no one will steal it !

But only until someone in you group gets one and is consistently out driving you and then well perhaps it doesn’t look so bad ;-)
I remember all the flac I got when I got a 2 ball putter …

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David W December 12, 2012 at 6:20 pm

I don’t hate the RBZ but I do NOT like the R1! Either way, I’m glad I love my G20…LOL

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obo December 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm

I feel Taylormade will state that the alinement crowns will help draw or fade the ball for you through the impact zone. On a side note the R1, the sole… I have the combination. It’s 11 left 40 right 62 left. Is this going to be a cross branded driver with Master Lock! Wow

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Barbajo December 12, 2012 at 6:28 pm

Maybe I need help, but the first thing that came to mind when looking at the two designs was “The DaVinci Code.”

Yep – definitely need help….

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RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 12:11 am

If ya find that help, please call me cuz I’m goin through therapists like underwear.

$225/hr sure doesn’t get ya what it used to!

:-)

The Best

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choppersmakemelaugh December 12, 2012 at 7:25 pm

Im going to play one (maybe both) and drive it better than all and any of you for 2 reasons. 1. You all play inferior drivers and TM outperfoms everyone when fit properly 2. I’m just a better golfer with superior equiptment.

They look sick! Fast like a race car! And in case you choppers haven’t noticed golf is no longer traditional. Like all sport golf is evolving. Either jump on the party bus or or watch me continue to drive it better than you! Either way, I win you lose, have fun in the yester yrs Mcfly….

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Mikerio December 13, 2012 at 5:12 am

liar…………you keep chatting sh*t behind your computer love…………

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RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 6:21 am

Chopper, one of two things is goin on here and it’s got nothin to do with equipment. You’re either a teenager & too young to care how you appear, or you’re one of the most insecure white to ever, and definitely in the two years that I’ve been hangin around, to ever post here.

Dude, you’re wearin your insecurities on your sleeve like drool. Go in the bathroom, wipe it off, get yourself together, then you may come back and join the adults.

Have a good Holiday season Chopper

Fairways & Greens 4ever

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choppersmakemelaugh December 13, 2012 at 9:18 am

RP

Your sentances do not make sense. And there is no question I am better at golf than you!

Mikerio

While you are poking fun at new TM gear I am hiting and testing it. As expected it is better than last yrs product. Just like the new irons longer straighter and better feeling.

I would never hide from a terd like you, chopper!

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Ineverslice December 13, 2012 at 9:27 am

Chopper,

I couldn’t agree more! So many of these folks on here love to hate before they hit just because TaylorMade is the leader in the industry.

I bet 50% of these folks use one or more of these woods once released.

I am keeping an open mind about it because TM is the #1 driver on all tours, Used by staffers and non staffers alike. I would recomend some of these clowns do the same. They just may actually break 80 for the first time if they give them a chance!

RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 10:11 am

As I’m in the hospital and on fairly heavy meds, You’ll have to excuse me for leaving the word “men” out following white. That it doesn’t make sense to you is not surprising to me, as I figured that it would not. That’s on me Dude.

Regarding skill level, and I don’t normally give unsolicited advice, as my 3400+ posts in the back will support, however I’m gonna go against my better judgement(which isn’t much as I just got my shot..lol), but having played the game for 46 years, and having played at a fairly high level, which I still do, though not at the level I did 6-8 years ago, however I have found that those who can, do, and those who can’t, talk, or in your case, write.

I’m sure that you are a capable player, though tooting your own horn while putting down others is not the way to convince people of your ability. lol

Just a thought……

I was a little put off by the tone of your post, though for me to lower myself and respond in kind was wrong.

For that I apologize.

You probably are a superior player to me, and that’s why when my treatments are over & the snow thaws, I’m gonna be out there hittin, playin & diggin, to get to the level that you currently occupy. I may never reach it, though it won’t be for lack of effort or talent.

Also, I have not made fun of TMaG equipment in this thread or any other, as I play the RBZ T along with the T Spoon, which I believe that I stated in another post. TMaG, like most of the large OEMs makes excellent equipment, and I’m going to be giving the Bladez T irons a very serious look this spring. I just don’t particularly like the crown graphics, though when I hit/play the driver, if I hit it better than my current driver, I’ll learn to like the look.lol. I initially was put off by the white, though it was a non-issue after hitting the club.

Have a very merry Christmas & a blessed Holiday season

My Best,
Terd

*BTW, the correct spelling of terd is turd.

RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 10:52 am

Ineverslice, as 98% of all golfers do not break 100 if they play one ball, play it as it lies and play it out, I think most of these guys should worry about consistently breakin 100. lol

And as far as breakin 80, a driver ain’t gonna do it. A quality game from 120 yds in & a solid putter, now that’ll drop ya into the 70s, provided ya can keep your driver outa the deep stuff. lol

But point understood. I also can’t understand why someone would just blanket say “I hate _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _, whomever it may be, though I had a great dislie for Nike when they first got into golf. I mean they could open their own sporting goods store, and probably supply 75-80% of it from inside their corporation.

I didn’t look at them as a “true” golf OEM, whatever the hell that is. lol

Though after hitting some of their sticks, especially over the past two years, they’ve got some serious clubs, and that Vr Pro Combo iron is a hell of an iron.

Anyway, have a good Holiday season

Play it out

Fairways & Greens 4ever

ineverslice December 13, 2012 at 10:55 am

RP Jacobs II-

Sorry for the negative tone. I just hate when people start talking about products that they havnt even hit yet. If you want to talk about the paint job, fine, have at it. If you start talking about the technology, then you better have some facts to back it up. TM 4 LIFE!

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RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 12:03 pm

+1……

And on a serious note, I mean, it wouldn’t be my first choice for a paint job, however the RBZ ST2 looks fine the more I look at it. I don’t know what supposed technological advancements it has over the RBZ, however I’ll definitely be hitting/playing it. By the 2nd hole that crown is a non-issue.

Take Care

Fairways & Greens 4ever

Drew December 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm

Wishing you a quick recovery, RP. When I scan the comments sections I always stop and read what you have to say. Get well soon.

RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm

Drew, thank you very much. I got discharged this afternoon & I’m headin back to Pgh(from Cleve) to finish my treatments back home. Thank you for the kind words, though I must say that unfortunately, this isn’t my best work.LOL

Drop in the forum if ya get some time! it’d be great to have ya join us.

Have a Happy, Healthy & Blessed Holiday season

My Very Best,
Richard

Fairways & Greens 4ever

yo moms favorite golfer December 21, 2012 at 3:46 pm

TM 4 LIFE…. I already hate you haha and I have never met you. Anyone who ends a post with Taylormade for life must love wearing white pants and playing with heavy a** clubs.

gaussman December 19, 2012 at 12:17 pm

Choppie so how do you compare yourself with other golfers?

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TwoSolitudes December 12, 2012 at 8:27 pm

Its like TM and Callaway are now competing for the worst looking woods with the worst banding to see how far they can go before people stop buying it.

TM: Watch, we will do nothing but paint it White and it will sell millions!

Cally: Oh Yeah? Check this out. Magnesium composite with a Tatoo decals and we stole the name from cell phone that stopped being cool 5 years ago. And it’s a best seller!

TM: Playing hardball huh? OK we are going to call our line Rocketballz! And it will still sell!

Cally: You think that’s bad? Take a look at XHot! We stole the logo from a 1986 dunlop golf ball!

TM: You want cheap looking? OK here is the stage 2 line! Crazy decals on a white head with a dumb name! And people will line up to buy it!

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Mike December 12, 2012 at 8:43 pm

To choppersmakemelaugh, you probably are a member of a fancy pants private club and play once a year and then fantasize for the rest of nthe year or you have never picked up a club in your life except for a video game. Next time just comment on things you know (which mostly isn’t much). How many people picked up 17 yards this year with the RBZ? Certainly not you!

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Ineverslice December 13, 2012 at 9:40 am

Actually Mike…. I picked up 20 yrds with the 3 wood from 242 to 262 on average with a RBZ Tour spoon Matrix Black tie 7M3.

I’m not a member at a fancy pants club, my low competiative round is 62 and I don’t play video games, they are for choppers like yourself…

You on the other hand are showing your ignorance about TM as a brand and a product. The R11s won the opening tournament of the yr in Hawaii and closed by winning the FED EX cup. Not to mention the #2 player in the world uses the woods (non staffer). Oh even PHIL M is using a 3w he painted black. And lets not forget about TM being the #1 brand at the Ryder cup this yr. But those guys don’t know @#$% they are only the besyt 24 players in the world…………

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johnloft December 13, 2012 at 3:32 pm

amen to that.

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TwoSolitudes December 14, 2012 at 2:18 am

yeah! Its not like they are being paid to play these clubs! And I am sure they all use off the rack models just like the ones in Golftown. So if a R11 won a tourney in Hawaii, or some guy on tour picked up 20 yards using a new club, that is TOTALLY relevant to my game.

I shot a 59 yesterday and picked up 30 yards using a Wilson Killer Whale driver while wearing Loudmouth pants. At least 15 yards of that gain were due to the pants.

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Ineverslice December 14, 2012 at 8:24 am

Actually TwoSolitudes a large majority of them do not get paid only the staffers.

Don’t be dumb, if you want the same gear the pros use then buy it! And don’t give me this BS about they have different clubs than we do wah wah. Go to your local TMPL and get fit like the pros and you will have the same advantage and equipment the best in the world do…..

Choppers like yourself aren’t smart enough to use proper resources you all continue to go to DIck’s and Golf Galexy and complain when you get a crap fit and the club doesn’t work out!

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RP Jacobs II December 14, 2012 at 9:45 am

The insults excluded, excellent point and so true!

Fairways & Greens 4ever

TwoSolitudes December 17, 2012 at 10:56 pm

Except that this chopper was fitted for both a Ping V2 set a while back and a Muraman set last year. And in both cases I also tried the current TM line and in both cases it didn’t perform as well for me as what I bought (the RBZ was particularly bad). The last TM product I had and really liked was the Supersteel series many many years ago.

And tour staffers are swinging with the kind of speeds and consistency that guys like us only achieve on internet forums- so for 95% of golfers, what a pro uses on tour is pretty much irrelevant, unless you just think the club colours will match your eyes.

Running out to get a R11 just because it won in a tourney is just plain stupid. Even getting fitted and thinking you will then outperform everyone else who doesn’t have an R11 because some tour staffer won with, is also stupid. There are lots of great brands, any one of which could be the one that performs the best for you- regardless of which (if any) pros use it or what tours (if any) it won.

TM makes good clubs, no doubt. Better than anything else? No way.

These new ones have, its seems to me, completely lost the plot in design. And that was what this story was about. If you didn’t know they were TM’s I am sure everyone would be saying they look cheap. No one has tried them so we don’t know how they perform- but I would be willing to bet they perform about the same as the XHot from Cally, the G25′s from Ping, and all the rest of the new line ups. There will be some subtle differences which will make them more suitable for some players and less suitable for others- and that is what makes club hoeing such fun!

Mike December 14, 2012 at 2:59 am

Was that for nine holes big mouth?

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Dave m December 12, 2012 at 9:24 pm

Ugly. I don’t get it nothing going on here. Seems like since r11 came out I haven’t seen anything exciting from them. Those decals are horrible. Maybe it’s time to get away from white for a while. I’m thinking the razr fit extreme will kick R1′s ass.

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wdgolf December 12, 2012 at 10:14 pm

It looks to me as if only the R1 will have the super loft adjustment and the RBZ driver will be the little brother with only 3* adjustability.

RBZ fairways’ biggest change was a paint job.

But yeah, ugly ugly ugly. I’ll try them just to compare with the Covert and Amp Cell, but I can’t see myself getting one of these.

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James December 12, 2012 at 11:43 pm

the ave driving distance o tour has increased by a massive 5 yrds from 2003 to 2012. so what are they selling?/ Drivin accuracy has decreased by 7%, so what are they selling?? I feel for the equipment companies, they have gready shareholders and a consumer market to please, so what is the next dream they are selling, “part with your money, we promise a replacement in 9 months time”

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Reg December 12, 2012 at 11:57 pm

Just awful, maybe the idea is that you will get so distracted by the crown graphics that you forget all swing thoughts and just swing?

They certainly can’t help aim or alignment with how all over the place they are. RBZ looks like someone vomited on the crown, R1 looks like someone vomited blood over it.

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RP Jacobs II December 13, 2012 at 12:19 am

I’m keepin the RBZ T & the Spoon in the bag.

Fairways & Greens 4ever

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frank December 13, 2012 at 4:51 am

Okay so white was bold….Red a bit far stretched…but these graphics are going to be hard to sell IMO. but agian TMAG has the $ to back their finding and yes the pitch will defintiely be about framing the golf ball and Alignment. the “V” shape comes to a point directly behind the alignment “R” and “T” before the face that definitely isn’t by coincidence!!!!!!

could they have done the graphics a bit more mellow but my guess is the contrst “AIDS” the alignment that much more.

I wen tall out onthe RBZ as it didn’t disappoint PLEASE GOD SAVE ME FROM THESE!!!!!!!!

I may jus thave to look into the X hot…..it woudl just ahppen that my 3W is starting to give me fits too DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!

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Crow December 13, 2012 at 7:43 am

Ok, this is coming from someone who would prefer if all of my clubs were raw finish so i could just rust them all out. I actually kind of like it. The more i look at it, the more it reminds me of race cars in europe (not quite sure why). I really like the R1. I have only had one taylor made product in the last 7 or 8 years, but if i wanted to buy a new driver, i think i might look at these. Wow, i feel cold after that last statement!!!!!

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Mike December 13, 2012 at 9:15 am

The Pontiac Aztec of golf clubs! See Ping G25 for what a golf club should look like.No R13 or Adams Speedline Fast 13 for these superstitious people. Adams will be gone by 2015!

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Mike December 13, 2012 at 9:17 am

Next year TMaG will test their products on the moon so they can say you can get up to 250 yards more distance with their wedges!

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Mike December 13, 2012 at 9:18 am

Do racing stripes make it go faster?

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ineverslice December 13, 2012 at 10:50 am

YES. silly question.

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Mike December 13, 2012 at 9:24 am

Oh, I get it! TMag thinks the world will end on December 21 so they felt they didn’t need to do any engineering on their clubs because of the Miyan calender. I told you they were superstitious!

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Heath December 13, 2012 at 9:55 am

Keeeez… !! Hideous!!
And that disc on the bottom of the R1 …? looks like an old radio tuning knob!! Terrible.
I love Adidas golf wear but just couldn’t bring myself to use any of their white woods.

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Augustine Fan December 13, 2012 at 9:59 am

RBZ Stage 2 doesn’t look that bad, and has an interesting sole. But I worry about the turf interaction with the “Y” shaped sole getting caught in the turf on fairway hits? it looks nice but maybe the “Y” should have been inverted to allow the sole to glide better against the turf.

R1…. um… i don’t think TM can spin the angle of “alignmment aids” with those gaudy racing stripes on the crown. if anything, that black stripe on the R1 visually promotes an out the in down swing, cutting across the ball and slicing it – again if it was an alignment aid the strip should go towards the toe.

Thanks TM, I will keep my R11s for years and won’t have to spend on a new driver =)

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Blu December 13, 2012 at 10:06 am

TaylorMade $1.5 BILLION,,, that is close to $600 million more than the 2nd place finisher in sales. and don’t kid yourself.. every OEM would give every one of you guy’s family jewels for the top dog honor.

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Rich December 13, 2012 at 10:14 am

And I thought Adams clubs were ugly with the slot and the goofy grooves. Those are just stupid ugly. Lets see how many stupid people buy these and help tm make more money. As for me and mine – I promise to never buy one and make constant fun of those that have them. It’s just so wrong

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Lee H. December 13, 2012 at 10:24 am

Although they are ugly, the R1 graphics do make the head seem smaller (as someone previously stated) and the white area makes it seem like the impact area is larger. But it is still ugly, yet the performance will remain top notch…I don’t think many PGA pros will try hitting it from the deck in competition though. That bottom is to chunky.
As for the RBZ Stage 2 goes. Obviously, the color scheme is inline with the Rocketbladez colors. As far as the paint scheme goes. It is still too busy (but not as much as R1). I guess time…and demoing…will tell.

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Gregh December 13, 2012 at 10:43 am

I have tested almost every major driver on the market and the Ping G20 out performs almost all other drivers, easy to hit, good spin rates, tight dispersion and good distance. I t may not be the best driver for every player, but every player will still do pretty well with it. Current MAP price on it at $249.99. I hope the G25 is close to being as good.

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TwoSolitudes December 14, 2012 at 2:07 am

And the Rapture V2 outperforms the G20. You can pick on of them up for 100 bucks or less.

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RP Jacobs II December 14, 2012 at 6:02 am

I rotate the i20 with the RBZ T and I like it a lot, however it’s the first driver I’ve ever hit/played. I’ve heard a lot of guys say that of the V2 and one of the guys in one of the swats that I play in bags one.

TS, you obviously know Ping, I don’t, is the Rapture the best driver that they’ve released, period?

Thanx Much,
Richard

Fairways & Greens 4ever

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TwoSolitudes December 17, 2012 at 11:08 pm

Yes. Without a doubt.

The Rapture V2 (not the Rapture) fitted with the stock or the stock Blueboard in is a monster of a club. You get a very forgiving, very long stick, that you can also use to shape shots if you like. Its a rare driver that works well for both low and high handicaps.

To me is clearly outperformed the G15, i15 G20, the i20, and the K15. I have not tried the new Asner yet, but Its hard to imagine it would perform better. I use a Cleveland CG Black, which is a touch longer and maybe a touch more forgiving, but the V2 still feels better and is easier to control. My swing speed has increased since I bough the V2 however so a new shaft on it would probably have it beating the Black as well.

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Ineverslice December 14, 2012 at 8:30 am

Lets not forget about the graphics on top of a rapture v2. My guess is most of you all thought that was pretty ugly too when it came out. Straight Haters!

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Sam F. December 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm

TM will promote that the graphics will assist the player to see their swingpath as the clubhead passes through the hitting zone, thereby providing visual feedback for better players to make minor adjustments in things like release point and angle of attack and helping them to more precisely control their trajectory and ball flight.

Did I leave anything out?

And hit it longer>

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Leftfield December 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm

It looks like clear sabotage to me. :)
I love the clear designs like Bobby Jones (Workshop edition) or MacGregors V foil has, but this is like an kids club for 3-6 years kiddies.
Ugly.
I guess, that in the near future the new clubs will do everything else, but hit an golf ball will be an extra.
Like mobile phones these days, they do everything, but when you will do with them a simple call, they are lost… :)

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RP Jacobs II December 14, 2012 at 6:16 am

LF, HaHa, I couldn’t agree more on the driver and Im lucky to able to make calls on my “smart phone.” The problem is it might be smarter than me. lol. I’m “old school” in that I in my perfect world, the driver’s a black pear-shaped head(ala the D3) and the irons are like the ones in my bag, the Mizzy 68s.

However, the world is evolving, and the golf world is evolving at a much faster pace, LOL, so while I can still get an understated quality blade, in my driver rotation is a RBZ T, though color aside, it’s a beast.

I learned to like white. LOL

And like those that want to advance and prosper, I’ve adapted. HaHa

I still pine for the days of the Powerbuilt Citation or Toney Pena persimmon driver & woods, though I’m really workin on this adapting thing. HaHa

Have a good one

Fairways & Greens 4ever

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Leftfield December 14, 2012 at 11:31 am

Yep,
I’m also an old schooler :) , irons I have Ben Hogan Apex Edge and Edge Pro and Tommy Armour SilverBacks 845 combo. :) These irons could’t be made much better and I guess, they’ll lasts forever…in my bag :)

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RP Jacobs II December 14, 2012 at 7:25 pm

The 845s were indeed one of the top perimeter weighted CBs of their time and actually give nothing away in comparison to today’s irons. They most definitely with stood the test of time.

Have a nice week-end

My Best,
Richard

Fairways & Greens 4ever

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johnloft December 13, 2012 at 3:37 pm

I heard all of these same comments in previous years about going white. More likely than not, you will buy it. Truth of the matter is, TM already knows the people that won’t buy the club. And guess what? They aren’t marketing to you.

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Robbie December 13, 2012 at 4:56 pm

I had a hard job getting used to the white heads…….now they are just plain over-doing it. looks like an infomercial gimmick. Maybe they should team up with the “Hammer” guys. lol

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Adam December 13, 2012 at 5:15 pm

THere is no way walmart would sell that…

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Dude December 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Another ugly club by Taylormade. Good news is that the club refinishing business could start making a comeback.

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Starwf07 December 13, 2012 at 8:40 pm

As I was told by a Taylormade rep, the graphics are just for marketing, so that when you see pros hitting them on TV, you can differentiate between the RBZ Stage 2 and the R1. Apparently people couldn’t tell the RBZ and the R11S apart easily enough this past year. It’s all about brand/model visibility.

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RP Jacobs II December 14, 2012 at 6:22 am

Now THIS, makes the most sense of anything on this board!

If the adage, “What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday,” is true, and TMaG obviously, and with good reason believes it so, then at the end of the day(or at least Sunday, LOL) this is all that matters.

Dude, good post

Fairways & Greens 4ever

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CLF1973 December 15, 2012 at 11:29 am

DING DING DING – We have a winner

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juniorbear December 13, 2012 at 9:41 pm

Taylormade have allready won, people are talking about it, any news is good news in the golf business. Just because you have talked about it, I guarantee you will try it, if it performs, you will buy it. Just like making any purchase, Taylormade are the best at getting people talking about clubs at the moment, Callaway used to do it, Big Bertha, 2 Ball Putters, but does anyone really feel like talking about any other products? Taylormade masters at what they do, “marketing” whether we like it or not!

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Michael Griffiths December 13, 2012 at 9:42 pm

The answer is simple. It is so we can see on TV which Tour Pros are playing with Taylormade Clubs. Since Taylormade started making white drivers are fairways woods etc, many other golf manufacturers have followed suite, making it impossible to distinguish which Tour Pro is playing Taylormade on TV…..these horrible graphics solve this problem. Nuff said?

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Jeff December 13, 2012 at 11:50 pm

Got it. If you stare at both heads with the rbz you end up focusing on the center of the head while with the r1 I seem to focus in on the entire leading edge. In either case it seems to narrow focus so its centered for long straight drives with the rbz and the r1 focuses on the leading edge and is actually less distracting than the r11 because the eyes can focus in on the leading edge controlling the angle of the face. Either way I have the g20 and I believe the new Adams with slot tech in the drivers will come in under the radar but outperform.

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Mike December 14, 2012 at 3:21 am

Let’s look at Taylor Made’s better ideas over the years… bubble shaft- nowhere in sight
triangular clubheads- ditto
dual crowns- flash in the pan
SuperFast technology- getting heavier
Golf has always been about outragious claims and unfounded technology. I find that the louder you yell (individuals or companies), the less you have to say. If the new look turns your crank, then go for it. If it doesn’t, then vote with your dollars and purchase something else. If you have to yell about something, you probably don’t have anything worth saying.
One last thing, the pros on the Tour can play with shovels and score well so using them as examples for club buying decisions is totally insane. As I am not a pro, I will continue to buy clubs when I deem necessary and what works for me. Arrogance never won a golf tournament, talent does. So shut up and enjoy the game and don’t be so ignorant.

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frank December 14, 2012 at 5:14 am

Mike Well said!

I didn’t want to jump into this but I loved you “Tin Cup” reference to using shovels. the pros are paid to put this stuff int heir bag. albeit if phil did really paint one black he isn’t and realizes the technology if superior to his current company. Either way the financial statemnts don’t lie boys and girls unless someone is fudging the numbers. TMAG is the number 1 selling company in the BEESWAX so tote this tote that hate this hate that. they sell the club with marketing first and foremost and if your privy to getting the darn things fit as you should you will see the gains advertised….even if you don tget them fit you still might see the marketing with the technology is working period.

And too boot if a club give me more confidence because I beleived the statements even if they are coming to fruition….I am happy with that as long as I am hitting fairways and greens. let’s not forget the mental aspect to all this as well.

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RP Jacobs II December 14, 2012 at 6:31 am

Excellent post.

The last sentence should be posted in caps at the top of the page!!

Have a good one

Fairways & Greens 4ever

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Justin Taylor December 14, 2012 at 5:32 am

It looks like some type of alignment assistance. It’s certainly sizable so even at speed you might be able to visually pick it up on the way through. Love the design on the bottom of the R1. How cool does that look. The RBZ looks different but not totally off. Would like to see if it helps with alignment.

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RP Jacobs II December 14, 2012 at 6:28 am

For those that would like to continue this discussion in more depth, we have a great thread in the forum in the “Top Secret Pics….” Section.

Also, back there, there is a much higher tone of civility in the threads, as only adults are allowed.

Please, if ya fit the one prerequisite(adults only), drop in :-)

My Best,
Richard

Fairways & Greens 4ever

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TL December 14, 2012 at 6:57 am

The UGLIEST clubs ever. Sole plates look like plows and will for sure increase drag and slow club head speed on an even remotely fat strike. The jump to all white with a discrete alignment aid was no biggie, but these heads look like the graphics were designed by Loudmouth to match John Daly’s ridiculous pants.

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TL December 15, 2012 at 6:10 am

And…they give you a great reason to play Titleist, or Cobra, or Callaway, or….well almost anything else!

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Mike December 15, 2012 at 1:22 pm

I’m not saying that TMag makes bad clubs (I own a few), it’s just that their marketing is skewing other companies to follow their lead and make equipment that are less helpful for the majority of golfers and appeal to the top 5%. I had played Callaway Big Bertha Gold irons for 16 years before I finally found a set (Cobra S3) that outperformed them. Yes, TMaG products can be very long but I find them inconsistent.

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Dutchie110 December 15, 2012 at 6:44 pm

When are the major manufacturers going to realize that we want more personalization? Aside from providing us with the latest and greatest in technology, we want have a say in what the club looks like. If im going to spend $350-400 on a driver, not only do I want to purchase the latest and greatest technology and find the head and shaft that perform best for me, but I want to have a say in the looks of the club and not have to settle for the ugliness (shown in the pics above) when im spending that kind of money.

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bernie gross December 16, 2012 at 9:25 am

do we not have enough distractions at address??

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Mrs. Manbearpig December 16, 2012 at 10:47 am

Female perspective here. I’m a very visual person (I’d be lying if I said things don’t always have to be aesthetically pleasing). I don’t mind the design on the crown of the RBZ stage 2, primarily because the design is a little more subtle and looks like it wouldn’t detract but may help with alignment. The R1 however, if I’m looking at that thing during set up and haven’t trained my eye to use the angle where the design meets the white, my eye immediately goes to the grey line from the toe to the middle of the crown. Too distracting, would take a lot longer to adjust to.

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Steve December 16, 2012 at 1:37 pm

Love it. “bout time the OEM’s started spicing the looks up a bit. Good on ya, TMAG!

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MeexJnr December 16, 2012 at 4:26 pm

Would be interesting to see if this would sell without Taylormade written on it, we will never know!! I’ll give it a try but will take one hell of an improvement t get me to change my driver!

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Chris December 16, 2012 at 5:42 pm

Geeeez, I’ve never seen so many comments on a new product intro.
Pretty or ugly, one thing is for sure….they’ll sell. Taylormade spent $0 on
advertising the Rocketballz driver (2012) and had 25% market share in the total metal wood
category with that one club (Callaway and Ping had 24% with all their metal woods combined)!

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TheHacker December 16, 2012 at 7:01 pm

I have always been rather resistant to white paint job on golf clubs ever since TM launched their first white clubs, IIRC the Ghost putters.

Another thing I’m quite skeptical about, is marketeers keep touting their newest drivers being 20 yards longer. I have no doubt it would be if my existing driver is poorly fitted, and my new driver is well fitted to me. But if my existing driver is well suited to my swing, it’s not too likely to be longer.

As far as drivers (and golf balls) go, IMHO we are at the limit of what science can give us in term of performance – COR, MOI have pretty much been stretched and capped by rules. And with each brand reaching the limits of what can be done, it’s marketing genius to just paint their clubs white, and now adding graphics.

Sure it will do nothing in term of improving performance, but what they are really after is selling more clubs, because they can’t do much about performance realistically.

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Jonny B Good December 16, 2012 at 7:14 pm

That is one Ugly club man! i can tell you that the designer will probably get fired real soon. Awful design! That should be the beginning of the taylor made crash in the industry. After seeing all the product this year I believe Nike Golf will own it with the COVERT line. Stole the show with their sweet finishing look and their unbelievable flex-loft and cavity back technology. Ta ta!

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obo December 16, 2012 at 7:21 pm

It’s amazing how far people will go to show there brand loyalties.

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jbob December 17, 2012 at 10:10 am

tmag are masters of marketing they could call this ROCKETVOMIT [tm] and it would still sell.i hate both. rbz 2 is a distorted rbz 1. r1 is just piece junk made by sticking a compass to a r580 driver {r580 is still a good driver}i will be sticking with my CALLAWAY RAZR HAWK.

CALLAWAY DRIVERS 4EVER

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islandgolfer December 17, 2012 at 4:34 pm

I switched to Callway is year

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TheHacker December 17, 2012 at 11:08 pm

As far as technologies go, we are hitting the wall in term of performance. Between the longest and shorted, most accurate and least accurate, you are probably looking at no more than 10 yards differences either way.

I am no TMAG apologies, I think the paintwork is merely what they do to differentiate their offerings from other similarly performing clubs. Like it or hate it, TMAG, Callaway etc, is out to make golf clubs that sells, no more no less.

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jbob December 18, 2012 at 3:40 pm

tmag & ping always put a different stamp on the same drivers every year [1 month for tmag]. callaway change the technologies in their drivers to sell their drivers they dont just sell the same driver every year with a different stamp,crown design etc.

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Tour Model Golf December 21, 2012 at 12:14 pm

I can hear taylormade reps all over the country saying. “The enhanced visual graphic top line brings performance at an all time high with our alignment graphics.” :-)

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Frank B December 23, 2012 at 5:36 am

I was lucky enough to hit the stage 2 yesterday at a TM performance lab. The reason I went to the lab was I was generating over 4,000 RPMs on my driver (2012 RBZ Tour) and losing a ton of distance. After trying 15 different 2012 shaft and head combinations we tried the stage two head on a whim. Took my spin rate down into the mid to low 2,000′s. The graphics aren’t as distracting in person as you might expect, but there is something special with the new metal they are using. Even using a higher lofted head, ball flight and spin went down considerably. Don’t let the graphics dissuade you from trying this club out.

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david todd December 23, 2012 at 12:58 pm

dear taylormade
I would like to know if you will be putting the speed pocket on your
2013 rbz drivers thanks

david todd

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D December 28, 2012 at 8:59 pm

They won’t put the speed pocket into the driver as the driver is already at the speed limit of .83 COR……

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Coops December 23, 2012 at 3:55 pm

Just a little thought if Taylormade are making just one head and not 3 or 4 different lofts the costs should be lower now call me synical but i bet that doesnt happen.

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TwoSolitudes December 25, 2012 at 11:36 pm

Try this…

“Just a little thought if Taylormade are making just one head and not 3 or 4 different lofts the profits should be higher now call me synical but i bet that happens”.

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D December 28, 2012 at 9:07 pm

Pretty sure these will completely kill the golf market in 2013, every year TM gets bagged out before product hits the market, when it hits the market it goes straight to number 1………… Love all their gear! At least they have the balls to “Innovate” and push the boundaries and not just follow…. Just take a look at…um…. the metal wood?, the rescue?, adjustability? white? etc, etc…. and how about callaways “performance over paint” statements in 2011, now look at what they are doing.

Dont shoot your mouth off about products until you have hit it and understand it because most of you clearly don’t and will probably be the first to try it and by it. There are plenty of great products in the golf market by plenty of companies.

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Lifeisagamble January 30, 2013 at 9:05 pm

I have be using Taylormade Drivers for the past 30 years and could not be more statified. I bought the RBZ last year and was hitting drives over 280 yards. Not to bad for being 66 years old. I am curious about the new RBZ stage 2 and will be testing it in the next month or so. If the new graphics helps me with my alignment then its a added bonus.. The distance at this point is crucial for me if I want to keep hitting short irons into the green.

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