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The Death of the Great American Golf Shop

Written By: Tony Covey

Most of you have already read One Insider’s View on The Demise of Golf Equipment Salesand hopefully have a better understanding of the all too unpleasant realities of running a brick and mortar golf business in 2014.

These guys are being squeezed on all sides. Competition includes other shops, big box, online warehouses, eBay, and the golf equipment companies themselves. As the marketplace has evolved, so too have consumers. More than ever we know what we want, we know what we’re willing to pay, and we’re willing to buy before we try.

None of that works to the benefit of the traditional golf shop.

I know my specs. If I can save $40, and get a free sleeve of balls for the convenience of keeping my ass firmly planted in my desk chair, all the better.

As we considered the plight of our anonymous author, and countless others just like him around the country, we found ourselves asking a most uncomfortable question.

Do we even need brick and mortar golf shops anymore?

As the business of golf has evolved around them, the average American pro shop has become a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

The modern pro shop can’t offer the best prices, it doesn’t have the best selection, it can’t keep up with the volume, and the majority simply cannot compete with a growing network of hardcore fitters and builders. Hell, the golf companies are dipping into the little guy’s pocket too.

Even customer service, a traditional strength – perhaps the last great advantage – of brick and mortal, has become devalued by an increasingly ambivalent consumer for whom price isn’t simply the bottom line, it’s the only line.

Brick and mortal is dying. It’s the next victim of golf’s great recalibration.

Big Box and the Internet Retailer

Big Box…Dick’s, GolfSmith, and to an extent PGA Superstore, Edwin Watts (what’s left of them), and even regional sporting goods chains are able to service those looking for a tactile experience (I just want to see it and touch it in real life), or the instant gratification of buying off the rack and taking it home right freakin’ now.

The chains have the facilities to satisfy the guys who want to take a few swings on their own before taking the plunge, and they can provide a drive by fitting experience for those of us who are looking for just a little bit more hands-on help.

For a healthy percentage of everyone else, online is the new reality. There is a growing number of consumers who make-up their minds without ever stepping through the doors of a golf shop. And when they do, there’s still a healthy chance that they’ll go home and buy online just to save a few bucks. Today’s golf consumer is making it absolutely impossible for brick and mortar to compete with the internet.

30-day guarantees (use it, if you don’t love it, we’ll send you something else), better pricing (add to cart to get a price below what the guy down the street can sell it to you for), free shipping, no tax, and the occasional $25 gift cart is more than your local pro shop can offer.

Between tax, discounts, and other incentives, it’s not unusual to save upwards of $50 compared to your friendly neighborhood golf shop…and that’s before we start talking about Open Box Programs.

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We love Open Box programs and you should too. There’s no better way to save on this year’s gear. Open Box is often billed as unhit returns, and more often than not that just means that the factory plastic has been removed from the club. The retailers claim it can’t be sold as new.

Save $50 and skip the hassle of trying to get that damn plastic off? Yes please. Ask your brick and mortar guy about his Open Box program. Let me know how that goes.

And Then There’s eBay

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The volume of counterfeit clubs on eBay is legendary. Hell, we even wrote an article about it. That was several years ago, and much to the dismay of nearly everyone in the business of selling clubs, things have changed significantly.

It’s an indisputable fact…actually it’s one of the industry’s dirty little secrets, that some manufacturers funnel their excess inventory to eBay. Where the clubs end up might not be on the authorized sellers lists, but the gear is genuine, and it’s not unusual to find brand new stuff for barely above, and sometimes below wholesale.

What makes eBay unique and nearly impossible to compete with is that it’s an entirely consumer driven marketplace. Goods aren’t worth what the manufacturers say they are (listing at MAP is a great way to sell NOTHING), the products are worth exactly what the highest bidder is willing to pay, and not a damn thing more.

eBay is where the consumer wins, and there’s no better gauge of consumer confidence in a given brand than the average selling price.

The old adage “if a deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is” doesn’t much apply to eBay anymore. A US-based seller, with 99% feedback, and thousands of completed club listings isn’t selling counterfeit goods. He’s exploiting loopholes in the current retail model, and some of these guys are doing it with the support of the manufacturers.

Demo down the street, but buy on eBay for 30% less. Brick and mortar absolutely cannot compete.

The Franchising of Custom Fitting

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For the golfer looking for a complete custom fitting, it’s becoming increasingly difficult for the traditional pro shop to compete with a growing number of seriously custom fitters.

Not long ago truly being custom fittted for the entire bag meant either paying top dollar to visit a TaylorMade Performance Lab (or something of that ilk), or filling your bag with gear from KZG, Wishon, Swing Science, or some other component company that, if we’re being brutally honest, doesn’t appeal to the average golfer in nearly the same way that the big OEM stuff does.

Those days are over. Not only can custom fitting specialists like CoolClubs (photo above), Modern Golf, Club Champion, and HotStix custom fit you for every club in your bag, they’ll build your new gear on site to exacting specifications.

To borrow a line from one of the guys at Modern Golf, these guys #builditbetter.

They stock heads and shafts from every major manufacturer and often boutique brands as well. Because everything is built to spec, custom fitting franchises can carry less in the way of volume and more in the way of variety.

Net down is never an issue.

A fitting at one of these places offers an experience and a level of true service that the average golf shop simply can’t compete with. Yes, it costs more, but the demand is clearly there, and unlike traditional brick and mortar operations, these fitting specialists have developed a service portfolio that’s next to impossible for big box, online, and even eBay to compete with.

The custom fitting franchises are golf retail’s greatest innovators.

Dear Retail Partner, Screw You.

If there wasn’t already enough competition, retailers are now facing stiff competition from the golf companies themselves. In the golf equipment business, retailers are the middle men…and golf companies have figured out that it makes sense to eliminate them where they can.

TaylorMade, Callaway, Cobra, Mizuno…hell, basically everyone not named Titleist or PING now sells direct to the consumer from the company website.

You want the new Callaway Big Bertha V-Series driver? Why not go directly to Callaway to get it? It’s certainly easier to customize it from the comforts of home then it is to go to the store and have them place the identical order for you.

From the manufacturer’s standpoint direct to consumer can significantly increase profits. A $400 driver costs a retailer $290. Eliminate the middle man, and keep all $400 for yourself. It’s shady as hell, but it’s also just good business.

This isn’t some fad. It’s here to stay. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that you’ll find a TaylorMade store sandwiched between the Gap and Victoria’s Secret at your local mall.

Apple Store, Microsoft Store, Oakley Vault, and lets’ not forget the Nike store. The no-middle-man, direct-to-consumer, product-centric approach model works. It can (and likely) will work for golf as well.

What’s Left for the Little Guy?

None of this bodes well for the average golf shop.

For whatever it’s worth, green grass (on-the-course shops) has the distinct advantage of transforming commodity into necessity.

If I show up to the course, as many golfers do, without tees, balls, a glove, or in the case of one of my buddies, golf shoes, green grass is the only game in town.

I need those things (often high-margin things), and no online shop can compete with the immediacy of the demand. Green grass can survive on apparel, the occasional bag of clubs, and plenty of high-margin accessories.

For the traditional off-the-course retailer, things are a bit more complicated. There will always be a measurable percentage of golfers who want to try before they buy. For those guys, a golf shop that’s geographically disparate from any big box competition (as is still the case for many local shops) can claim one of the few remaining advantages left for a small retailer.

Those guys still have to compete with online, and eBay, and direct to consumer business that make it very enticing for try before you buy to become try before you buy somewhere else.

As our discretionary capital shrinks, buying local will often take a backseat to getting the most bang out of what few bucks we have to spend on our hobbies.

Never mind the little guy, we’re going to support ourselves first.

Differentiate or Die

For guys who do little more than sell clubs (and other miscellaneous golf wares) the future is bleak. It’s not going to get easier.

Diversification is one solution. What none of you could know is that the author of last week’s piece is doing just that. He’s already expanded his business within the golf industry, and he’s currently looking into some options outside of golf to help support his business.

I would imagine many others are doing the same.

If you step away from the passion we all feel for this game and look at the economics of golf the same way a business like Dick’s Sporting Good does, you’d find that not much delivers less ROI per square foot than golf.

One shop manager I spoke to recently told me that he’s ecstatic if he can pull in a 35% average margin on golf…and he’s not ecstatic very often.

Retail markup at Dick’s across all departments runs in the ballpark of 50%. When you can sell yoga pants all day long (and make 70% doing it), does it even make sense to bother with golf?

For most, I believe the only chance for long-term success in the golf retail business requires shifting the focus from product to services.

Sure, nearly every golf shop preaches customer service, but is that really much of a competitive advantage? In today’s world, Amazon’s customer service is good enough. Hands-on isn’t valued the way it once was. To the average consumer, you’re selling commodities. Accept it and adapt. I’ll buy my milk from anyone if the price is right, and so will most anyone else.

The shops with the best chance for survival are already providing services like regripping, repair, and lessons. Those with the acreage can do well with driving ranges (demo days can also offer a substantial revenue boost).

Those who have already invested in Trackman, Foresight, or some other simulator would be wise to sell blocks of time to customers who want figure things out for themselves. Those who haven’t invested in technology, probably should.

It’s pretty simple, differentiate or die.

And if it is the unfortunate latter, with some many other options, will today’s golfer even notice?

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      John

      10 years ago

      At this point what is the downside of a Golf Pro Shop adding eCommerce to their pro shop? I am not talking just gift cards, logo apparel, etc… But golf club merchandise as well. Each course has their own market of golfers, and with MAP policies they can offer the same pricing as the manufacturers with less overhead by drop-ship. With a constant flow of email marketing, deals, member benefits, etc… Green Grass accounts could take back the sales they are losing to the internet for the customers that don’t want to leave their couch.

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      GOLFPRO

      10 years ago

      As a club fitter, i always tell my customers their biggest gain will be piece of mind in that all mistakes will be their own. Anyone with a very inconsistent swing and/or doesnt regularly make half decent contact i tell not to bother with the fitting and recommend a few lessons.

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      Doc

      7 years ago

      Being a golf fitter, FORE! Play Golfsmithing, and serving the masses, the 95% of golfers; the weekend warrior, the hobbyist and the hacker (if that term can be used these days due to PC) I can guarantee everyone that buying a club through a website or a big box store will do nothing for your game.
      I promote a 4 shot 5 club game to break 90 consistantly. Others do it as well and as Lee Trevino said once at Las Colinas back in the late 70’s or early 80’s, ‘for a weekend player to break 90 and play by the rules is equal to a pro breaking par because we really are that much better than the average golfer’. It wasn’t a cut or a slap in the face to we the masses, it’s just the truth.
      You’d be surprise how many ‘so called handicaps’ don’t measure up when playing by the rules.
      It’s not the club you are swinging, it’s the lie/loft/shaft/grip that you are using in combination with a crappy swing.
      Learn to swing the club and you can hit anyone’s line of clubs.
      If you don’t believe me, ask a tour pro.

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      thehacker

      10 years ago

      One way for traditional B&M retailer to survive is to invest in a trackman, and then charge golfers a fee for testing out the clubs, and bringing in their existing golf gear to compare with the latest.

      Any retail associate with a modicum of knowledge about comparing the stats could be on hand to advice if required – even if they do not want to pay for a Pro in the shop that’s fine; anyway otherwise the golfer could be left to his own devices to figure things out. Then if the golfers later decides to buy something, then the testing fee would be waived.

      Another issue I find at most retail stores at my country, the sales associates are way too passive, and I often find them wanting in product knowledge.

      If the retail stores can work on these two areas, I don’t see why golf retailers have to die of.

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      James

      10 years ago

      Regis… you are, indeed, living a life unfulfilled.

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      Joe Golfer

      10 years ago

      It’s a shame that more golfers do not know that a driver can differ tremendously from another driver of the same brand, same model, same specs as far as loft and shaft flex.
      You might test a club in a store’s hitting bay, do an extensive fitting, then take a new one in plastic wrap from the store room or leave the store and buy it on the internet for less.
      While some brands do a better job than others, you can take two “identical” drivers from any major brand and you’ll find big differences in their specs and or shaft flexes (as far as cpm’s, the measurement of flex).
      Testing shows a great disparity in lofts of drivers even when they are listed as being the exact same, far beyond the supposedly acceptable 1* standard of deviation in most cases. Tests done on shafts have also shown significant differences as well. I once saw a test on YouTube of six different TaylorMade stock shafts, all the exact same model, same listed flex. You would expect them to be identical. Not so. The actual flex differed by a full flex and a half from the weakest shaft to the stiffest one, even though they were all listed as the exact same.
      If you hit a club great in the hitting bay, you should purchase that exact club that is in your hands, not the same model from the store room or look for the same model on the internet, as you won’t be getting the same club as what you were driving well in that hitting bay.
      I certainly understand the benefits of using the internet. Lower prices, no taxes in many cases, and so on. And if you are not particular about performance, then that’s fine.
      It likely matters a lot less with irons with steel shafts.
      But when it comes to a driver, something that many of us are looking for that holy grail/magic bullet type of thing, you are better of buying the actual one you hit best in the store, the one that was in your hands as you tested, than buying a copy of the same club, even if it is from the same brick and mortar store.

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      I don’t know if any of you are familiar with some shops in Oregon, but there is one i have been going to since i started playing. It’s called Fiddlers Green in Eugene OR. This shop is amazing and has been around long before i started playing. They even carry more left handed clubs than what i see at Golfsmith. Whatever they are doing is working. One distinct trait of them is that i can go there and get TM TPX for about $37 bucks a dozen. Bridgestone E6 are like $21-$23 bucks. They have the best prices on anything and beat the big box promos on trade in and retail prices. So if they can do it why are all the others having such problems. And Eugene is not a large thriving city like NYC. Infact there is only 157,000 residents of Eugene. I dont even live in Oregon anymore but when i buy clubs i make an effort to get it from them even if that means waiting until i can drive there to get fitted. Maybe im just loyal.

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      Morocco Mako

      10 years ago

      I can see the custom fitters as the future. They remind me of the current situation with eyeglasses.

      I get my eyes examined for new glasses every couple of years. I buy a new pair of glasses from them, because I want to ensure my primary pair of glasses work perfectly. But, I also get the prescription from them and order cheaper alternative/backup/special-use online. A couple of years later (when my body has changed) the cycle repeats.

      I’d have no problem going into a customer fitter, letting them determine my specs, and paying top dollar to ensure my primary clubs worked perfectly for me. But, I’d make sure to get a copy of my specs to allow my to shop on the internet for alternative/backup/special-use clubs. A couple of years later (when my swing/body has changed) the cycle would repeat.

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      Bill

      10 years ago

      Some thought provoking points, many valid. I take issue with a couple of them, though.
      I think the death of B&M stores is a little premature. The way they market may need to change somewhat but they serve an important purpose in promoting the game.
      The big box stores may bite the bullet in time because for all the glitz and bling they hold, they are huge and expensive to maintain and run. They also feel somewhat cold and impersonal to me. What is at odds in my mind is that they can’t build relationships with area courses because they are competing on some level with the club pros as far as moving merchandise.
      Not really, because course clubhouse prices tend to be very expensive but I see very little interaction because of this . Since courses themselves are struggling and brick and mortar stores are also, I think a rethinking of the relationships need to occur. It might work better with smaller shops where corporate approval isn’t necessary but I can see where club pros and the courses would benefit from working with golf shops on a percentage basis. That way golf shops can get referrals and the shops can promote events at the courses, creating a sense of community that doesn’t exist now. Promote the sport and hobby more and worry less about the moving of mass amounts of merchandise. Buyers ARE more savvy now. They want lower prices but want service also. Give it to them in a way that both the courses and the shops prosper.
      Also, I disagree with the statement that component companies are undesirable to most.
      GOOD components, like Wishon, that are professionally fit are highly desirable. More so than big manufacturers in my mind. To get the right shaft, lie angles, grip size etc out of the box is far preferable to off the rack and is better for the golfer. Yes, instruction and practice are the best road to better golf but truly fitted clubs are a great addition to your game.

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      Ericb

      10 years ago

      Do we owe anything to dudes with stores? Shit no we don’t.

      Those cheesestick salesmen don’t even have the guts to say that one brand is superior to another.

      Where did they get the idea that they would succeed with the one-stop shop business model, like Wal-mart? A majority of the products Wal-mart sells are consumed within a matter of days after they’re purchased.

      If golf retailers had any intestinal fortitude whatsoever, their business model would resemble the auto dealership model.

      If golf dweebs were business men, they’d pick a brand they believe in and they’d learn how to sell and service that equipment.

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      Warwick

      10 years ago

      An interesting view point from Tony. Purely subjective of course as there are no facts/statistics to back up his statements. It is also perturbing that this, once objective, website has become so negative of late.

      I have just been to St Andrews and golf is booming and the shops are doing a roaring trade. I live in Africa but my mate, who lives in Connecticutt, came over with a new bag full of the latest TM clubs including SLDR driver, 3 wood and 5 wood which he had purchased at the local golf shop. He also had the latest range finder. Incidently this was the first time I had used one and it is not a patch on a GPS. It also supports my view that range finders slow down the game.

      The rest of the fourball, from Dubai, also had new bags including Apex irons!! My only new club was the G30 driver which I purchased from my local golf shop.

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Warwick – I’m not sure what facts you’re looking for. Do literally hundreds of comments, emails, and phone calls from proshop owners all repeating the same thing not bring us reasonably close to fact? This is the business climate right now (In the US), and for whatever reason the stories aren’t being told anywhere else.

      Facts…stats…here ya go…Dick’s laid off 500 golf pros, and is dramatically scaling back their golf business. At Sports Authority, golf departments are hemorrhaging space to Yoga and other high margin ‘sports’. TaylorMade is down 18% (and there’s talk that a group of hedgefund guys want to buy enough adidas stock to force Herbert Hainer out, and possibly sell off TaylorMade). Callaway, who by comparison is having a pretty damn good year is off 8%. Equally relevant to the discussion, Callaway is 8% off in a year when they raised retail prices and increased their per unit margins. Down 8%…that’s as close as it gets to healthy right now.

      We hear Mizuno missed by a substantial number as well. Cobra is selling spring-released irons for 50% off (It’s only been 6 months) Cleveland is all but getting out of the driver and iron business.

      These are all facts, and not a single one of them is particularly pleasant. You think none of this trickles (or drops like a lead weight) on the smaller retailer? For a number of reasons (none of which are figments of my imagination) the status quo isn’t going to cut it anymore (and that’s really the point of this article).

      TaylorMade is in the process of overhauling its business model (fact—they closed Adams HQ as part of that). Callaway is changing the way they do things (and raising prices is a part of that). Mizuno is now selling online, and there appear to be subtle changes being made at PING and Titleist. All of this will have consequences for the retailer.

      I’m really glad you mentioned St. Andrews. I was talking about this exact thing with a friend of mine at one of the OEMs. Golf is succeeding, arguably even thriving where the vendors (be it a shop, a golf course, etc.) offer an experience. Bandon Dunes is another great example. Despite the cost, there are no shortage of golfers.

      Golf shops need to think along similar lines. Josh/NY Golf Center is a great example of a model where the focus has shifted slightly towards service (and shops need to understand that service means a hell of a lot more than a handshake, a smile, and answering all your questions). You can still get nearly anything, but they can also offer an experience that most others can’t. Products aren’t eBay proof. A unique service model is. If retailers don’t understand that and adapt, the future will be every bleak as we suggest.

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      100% agree. You’ve even left out some of the bigger, and more ominous, facts. As for service selling–it’s the only way. The biggest problem with that model is lack of customer base.A shop in Harrisburg PA cannot offer the same quality and type of service Josh can. The prospective pool is way too small. The middle class has effectively quit shopping for golf clubs. A big reason for the golf “boom,” and one not discussed, is how exactly the 28-35 year olds were able to have so much discretionary spending money. A significant portion came from them buying a house for 200K, and refinancing it for 350K a year later, and keeping the cash. After a decade of that happening, it dried up. Significant cash was drained from the system. Spending habits changed, and some economists think it is forever. There are real world economic impacts being felt in the 25-45 age group–and it’s not going to change. All “hobbies” (like golf) are feeling it, and reeling. The answer isn’t as simple as “better service.”

      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      That’s the rub, isn’t it? What do they say…the 3 most important things for a business are location, location, location. What do you do when your competition offers better prices and is located on every customer’s desk, phone, and tablet? You have a store on a busy street, but eBay is literally in your customer’s pocket.

      The answer is service portfolio, but like you said you have need a population. There’s a reason why these franchise shops open in large markets….Harrisburg, PA isn’t one of those markets. There’s a reason why Modern Golf’s second location is Vancouver and not Saskatoon (sore-ee, I just really wanted to say Saskatoon). If a full service fitting model is your solution, then you have to figure a way around the obstacles (lack of population, affluence, etc.). You also have to conquer some of the ambivalence around custom fitting. People have to believe it will benefit their game enough to justify the added expense and travel (for rural clientele).

      I’m roughly 3.5 hours away from Josh, and he’s the nearest full service, full line, actually-knows-what-the-hell-he’s-doing option for me. I tried to send a single digit HCP (looking for his first truly fitted set of clubs) to Josh this spring. He didn’t want to deal with the “hassle’ of going to NYC (where he goes 4 times a year for ballgames anyway), and scheduling an appointment. He went to Dick’s instead. He got *fitted*…the clubs work. His specs aren’t what I would have put him in, and I’m all but certain somebody like Josh would have settled on something different too, but he’s happy…and happy is probably just as good if not better than optimized for most.

      Larger point being, if you’re a shop owner without a dense population, you’re going to need to figure something else out, because even if you build it, they probably won’t come.

      Here’s your NEVER-GOING-TO-HAPPEN-EVER best case scenario…what if manufacturers told authorized retailers that they were no longer allowed to sell clubs via the internet? Yeah…it’s a pipedream. Won’t happen. But damn…all of my gas powered implements of outdoor destruction are Stihl. I trust the brand, I get great service, and any time I want to buy something new, I have no other option than to buy it from my local retailer. He cannot be undercut. You can’t even find that stuff new on eBay.

      That’s how you save the little guy, but with the trend being direct to consumer, it’s not even on the radar.

      Super Tuna

      10 years ago

      Two further points to tact on to the end of that T

      1: Modern Golf, while in “Vancouver” will likely have to move at some point. They’re a long ways some a big pool of customers who would prefer their extremely impressive dedication and service.

      2: As silly as this is, saying St Andrews was booming is meaningless when you are talking about the US golf retail industry. Golf in the UK is UP. UP (lordie, how do I make text bigger in this. Up cannot be stressed enough here), not down quite a bit. That means there’s entirely different dynamics in play.

      As an aside to that, I’m REALLY curious how Mr Sharpe is going to do at TMaG US. Yes, he grew TMaG Europe’s business quite a bit, but again, that was with growing numbers. Now he’s tasked to do the same thing in a shrinking environment. I wish him all the best on that one.

      Sorry, I have a third point.

      3: Very large retailers are crazy. They’ve been doing projections on unsustainable growth patterns (which they should know) as well as having the most abysmal stocking software and implementation I’ve ever seen which doesn’t even allow them insight into in store stock levels of various items.

      As someone who works in technology, that’s downright unforgivable with all the options available to them.

      Clearly someone (like a CTO perhaps) got lazy.

      Roberto Verdi

      10 years ago

      Craig and Tony…
      You are 100 percent correct. About the business. About the economy. About the demographics.
      If you offer enough different things– lessons, regripping, repairs, clubfitting, launch monitors, a driving range etc. AND you keep a lid on your overhead, you might make it.
      Otherwise… no chance!

      Warwick

      10 years ago

      Thanks for the facts Tony!!

      A viewpoint from me! On my previous visits to the UK, the USA accent has been very prominent. This time, the numbers of Americans I met was substantially down and there appeared to be more Asians and Europeans around.

      My wife and I also spent 10 days in Southern Spain and did not meet any Americans but there were lots and lots of British people.

      Are Americans staying at home now?

      Jacob

      10 years ago

      That’s the problem.
      Players getting cheap, not taking the time to engage the journey.

      Even worse, those who can’t afford simple golf gear.

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      Jeremy

      10 years ago

      Very interesting article, one thing I have noticed though is the fall of customer service at the big box golf stores near me. I had never been in Dick’s sporting goods before but a friend had recommended it to me. I went there about 10 times for various reasons whether it was to get new golf shoes or clubs or balls or maintenance on my clubs. I got a new set there and got fitted and the experience was mediocre. As I was leaving the store I was thinking to myself out of those 10 times I was there I was only really satisfied twice. Either no one was there that could perform the task I wanted or just plain not have what I was looking for. I went to another fitter to get the other clubs fitted and he looked at the work they had performed and you can see how shoddy the work was. Grips were seated all the way down alignment marks not lined up and lies differed from club to club. Swore I wouldn’t go back. Now during that time I also went to golfsmith bought some things there as well but sometimes I would go and not a single person would help me out and I dont know how many times they didnt have what I was looking for. The final straw there was I looked at there website and it stated they had them in stock at the store so I drove down there about a 30 minute drive and ask the guy if he could get me some extensions and he said they were all out and I said your website says you have some and he said yea the website is never right. I was like why even have that feature if its not right. I was steamed so I dont go back there anymore. So looks like online is the way I have to go or local pro shops.

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      Josh. Wasn’t directed at you

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      josh

      10 years ago

      thanks for the clarification

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      Joseph

      10 years ago

      The demise of independent local distribution of any product is something that we as consumers are responsible for and we all should lament. To save a couple of bucks on eBay, our actions drain our local economies of dollars, jobs, and vitality. It is time that consumer side of this equation be taken more fully into account. I am no fan of Dick’s, which is just another big box retailer looking to repatriate our hard earned money to some overpaid executive. They simply are a symptom of a broken system. Our home town is fortunate to continue to have a small local repair and equipment shop that is legendary for good service and good prices. And a no BS approach to equipment. Too darn much about golf is hype and hyperbole. The shake out of the big companies is their doing for providing too much supply to a limited market. Shame on them. The loss of idependent local shops, to the extent it is actually happening, is a shame on us. Spend your golf dollars where the really go the farthest, in your community…

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      Scott

      10 years ago

      Joseph,

      Great comments! I was fortunate to own and operate a successful local golf shop for 10+ years. It took a little patience but through hard work, honest no-nonsense advice and fair prices we built up a great business. It was the local folks we knew by name that came in to support out shop knowing they would get a fair deal 365 days a year with us. Whether I’m getting my car fixed, hair cut or getting a corned beef sandwich, I prefer to spend my dollars in my community with people I know and appreciate me as a customer. Wish more people would practice this. At the same time, I have a friend that makes considerable more than than the average guy, that spends hours scouring the internet looking to save a couple dollars. Next time the cheapskate who buys everything on the web needs to squeeze in an extra group at 8:00 on a Saturday morning, tell him to contact his buyer on eBay to see if he can help him out.

      It’s a shame I was unable to keep this local success story going but powers that be (course owner) saw the success of the shop and decided to take it away along with taking a big chuck of my lesson revenue. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out how things have gone since then.

      Bottom line, buy your golf stuff and everything else for that matter from who you know and trust and you will always pay a fair price.

      Long drives and no three-putts all!

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      yperil

      10 years ago

      This is not a new phenomenon. Its been happening for years. The simple truth is that the pro shop invoice prices from the vendor are higher than the retail price offered by the discounters/ebay. They can’t compete at negative margins.

      There is still room for Carl’s and Golfsmith etc if they operate at low margins.

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      SkipThisAdd

      10 years ago

      The thruth is, these golf shops/retailers etc are just another victim of the internet, just like every mall and shop in the USA. I would love to help the small shop, but now I make less money, my health, car insurance, materials for work, gas etc etc cost a lot more ,but I don’t want to stop playing golf or limited because I don’t have enogh money after I bought clubs at local shop.I rather buy it at ebay from a reputable seller and have money left to play at the economy level that I’m now.
      I love the internet but it sure killed a lot of jobs and claiming victims by the minutes.Lower the price of gas to a $1.50 /gal, and our golf industry and many other will comeback, but that won’t be good for the stocks holders who are more important than you and I.

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      Eric

      10 years ago

      Josh I used to go to your shop a lot when I lived in NYC. You never carried bridgestone clubs. So your claim that you guys have everything rings hollow to me.

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      Josh

      10 years ago

      I did not say that we carried everything I said we had the best selection (as compared to other retailers nation wide.) We have in fact carried Bridgestone clubs for years and are currently still an authorized dealer. When were you here? Your claims that we never carried Bridgestone are simply not true. I have personally fit people into Bridgestone and I think they make a great product.

      We only offer these as custom order now because sadly the interest in Bridgestone clubs was not enough for us to keep stocking them. We wound up having to sell most of our stock at a loss after they sat on the shelf for a couple of years and were outdated because no one came in to buy them. If there were more of you coming in looking for bridgestone it would still be on my shelves. That being said if there is ever a product that we do not have in stock but we offer we will always go the extra mile and have our Rep bring in a demo for our customers to try out. That is the type of customer service we offer.

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      Roberto Verdi

      10 years ago

      Not enough demand… In NYC. At Chelsea Piers?
      Imagine what it’s like in the rest of the country….???

      Rob Samson

      10 years ago

      “I know my specs”

      I do as well and have saved a lot of money learning how to build/bend my own clubs. I’ve been buying clubs on eBay for over 10 years and have a stock pile of clubs that I tinker with. It’s cheaper for me when I purchase “Head Only” or “Pulled” shafts. I don’t always buy pulled but it’s hard to pass up a decent Blueboard to save money. I’ve got a select favorite sellers list who have really fast turnaround times. The best thing about building a club is being able to put it in play a few hours after it’s delivered.

      Nowadays, the only “need it now” items I buy from big box or B&M’s is grips. Balls, gloves and misc items I buy from my Pro Shop which is bigger than any shop around. I do my best to support them. Poor shop has SLDR’s sitting on a stand selling for $389 and a few XHot 2’s that they’ll never get rid of. Yesterday I bought a used SLDR for $120.

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      bucketsojoy

      10 years ago

      I like the idea of charging for Trackman sessions. I’d really like to see what numbers I’m hitting (even though I’m sure they would depress me), but the only times I’ve gotten to use one is when testing a club. I’ve pretended to be interested in a new set of irons at Dicks just so I could have a few swings on a launch monitor. I was “testing” the irons I was already using. I felt kinda bad, but I’d never seen myself on a launch monitor before. It was neat, I wouldn’t mind at all paying to just bring in my clubs for a session on that.

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      Bob

      10 years ago

      Yes, it is true as almost every comment states, B&Ms are in trouble in every industry. I watched the first dot com bubble destroy many old time mom and pop places, restaurants and breweries in San Francisco due to astronomical rents only to go bust themselves when the bubble burst. There may come a day when B&Ms cease to exist, and this across many industries. So, what would you suggest to make B&Ms work?

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      Josh

      10 years ago

      I suggested it above.

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      Without the population available–it doesn’t work. I’m not guessing. That’s what you are missing. It’s not your “service:” that is making it so perfect for you–it’s the pool of potential customers.

      Roberto Verdi

      10 years ago

      Craig is right. Josh is misguided. Sure his business works. But it can’t work in a vacuum. Without a deep pool of population there are not customers to appreciate his bells, whistles and superior service.

      Josh

      10 years ago

      No retail including the big chains works in a vacuum so I am not sure what the point is. Of course there must be a pool of golfers for this to work but that does not just mean New York City. I am not proposing that this can be done in South Dakota but the highest concentration of golfers nationwide are in suburbs of metropolitan areas. Golfercraig, you say you are not guessing but you really are because I can confidently say that there is no shop like ours anywhere else on the planet that includes all the things we offer under 1 roof. This product has not been offered to the entire country yet but if the big box models crumble that will create opportunity for specialty retailers to come into new markets.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      “I can confidently say that there is no shop like ours anywhere else on the planet that includes all the things we offer under 1 roof.”
      but with that uniqueness you think you have the solution for everybody else in USA – boy, you are wrong.

      Regis

      10 years ago

      Thought I might jump in on this. I live on Long Island and used to commute to NYC. You guys are correct that Josh has a deeper pool of golfers with disposable income from which to draw. However, there is a lot of truth to Mr. Sinatra’s ditty “If you can make it here you can make it anywhere”. I’ve never been to Josh’s stores but you must realize a lot of this “pool” you refer to commutes from the suburbs (Long Island, New Jersey, Connecticut) To get to Josh they have to take a train then a subway , bus or cab. Once they purchase clubs they either have to have them shipped or lug them home on the same subway, train , bus or cab. I notice that two of his locations are right near the terminals for the Long Island Rail Road and Metro North (Smart but not cheap real estate). They also pay a sales tax that one could avoid on line. The fact he has three successful stores in Manhattan is testimony to his model. Obviously, the alternatives in the suburbs where the members of this pool live and play golf don’t offer much competition to his model. Secondly, his overhead for the sale of that $400 SLDR is mind boggling. Wouldn’t want to hazard a guess what the cost of building and maintaining that Chelsea Piers location is. My guess , and that is all it is , is that he does a tremendous referral business. Again, guys we’re talking three successful locations in Manhattan and although it might give you comfort to dismiss his success by pointing to his demographics, and although ,admittedly I am “not in the business” let me just propose that you detractors know absolutely nothing about running a successful business in Manhattan. .

      Plaidjacket

      10 years ago

      I live in a nice size city (150k) that’s booming. There is only one B&M shop in town. We have 5 golf courses. The green grass shops sell mostly over priced apparel and over priced balls. I agree with Tony 100%. B&M is a dead man walking. It’s sad. I recently bought my first true custom fitted and built set of irons. (Wishon) I had already made up my mind I wasn’t going to buy “retail” off the rack ever again or even do a retail fitting. Worthless. Been there done that too many times. My new custom fitted clubs are fantastic. They were expensive too. Much more than any OEM OffTheRack set. But what a difference. Huge difference in fact. 100% worth it. We don’t even have a true, certified, experienced club fitter in my town. I drove 4 hours each way to my fitting. I’ve tried to interest my club/course in getting into custom fitting with no real interest on their part. I even suggested that they look to a partnership with one of the club fitting franchises or a GolfTech or something. Neh. I don’t have the spare change or I’d invest in the golf business by way of custom fitting and perhaps a GolfTech or something. Forget selling balls, bags, shoes, alignment rods, range finders, blah, blah, blah. I can buy top quality stuff like that at an Academy or off the internet. Custom club fitting and building clubs along with training is where it’s at. Heck I’m not even sure I’d sell/fit/build any OEM clubs.

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      Josh

      10 years ago

      where do you live Plaidjacket?

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      Gary Goetz

      10 years ago

      It’s impossible to compete with buying clubs from EBay or other online golf stores.I look for places like Golf Galaxy to be a thing of the past.They’ve already closed one of their two stores in the Cincinnati area.I hate to say it but I buy almost all of my equipment on EBay.With the way the economy is you’d be crazy not to.I can’t afford to pay 3 or 4 hundred dollar drivers.Plus if I don’t like the club I can turn around and sell it and not lose a lot of money.I use to work for a hardware wholesaler and years ago they had what they called fair market trade which meant every one had to sell an item at the same price as everyone else.When places like K Mart,Home Depot,and Walmart came out that all changed.The small hardware stores took a beating.There are a few left and a lot of people including myself still like to go to them because of their service and knowledge.

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      Michael Doherty

      10 years ago

      I discovered ebay a long time ago and have purchased a lot of equipment there. All great stuff. New or nearly so. However, I am constantly amazed at the number of golfers I see who know nothing about on-line golf equipment availability and pricing. I believe there is still a large pool of golfers out there who want a brick and mortar store and who are unaware of what they are missing and probably don’t care if they are missing anything anyway. An innovative local shop can and will do well IF the manufacturers will help them succeed with better pricing and closer inventory cost control and model management that favors the local retailer.

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      markb

      10 years ago

      I’m a club ho, I admit it. People make fun of me about it. Yet what people refuse to accept is that I spend almost no money trying everything under the sun because of ebay. It’s the same pool of about $500 constantly recycling itself! Here’s an example: I buy a SLDR and and a couple of Vokeys for about $500, use them a month, then resell them and probably break even, then I use the same money to buy a G30 and some Clevelands, use them a money, maybe keep one, kicking out a Mack Daddy. But I resell it and the others and maybe go up $50. So I buy a V series driver and a UDI. On and on it goes.

      But always the stuff I buy and sell is DEEPLY discounted off of retail. Examples: this month I have bought a new in plastic G30 driver, stock shaft – $285 (MSRP $349), New TMag UDI 2 iron $135 ($199), new V series driver $185 ($399), new 2014 Wilson Staff FG Tour balls $28 a dozen ($45). Why would anyone do it any other way?

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Golf fitting vs buying eBay or internet is like buying a custom tailor suit vs buying at Jos A Bank. Those with money can afford the custom tailor and custom golf fitting. Us middle class buy Jos A Bank and eBay (and I LOVE it!). So don’t come with this crap that Jos A Bank is putting the custom tailor out of business (like eBay vs B&M). It is different supply and demand models with different type of customers!

      Eric

      10 years ago

      We are retailers in NZ what this article fails to tell is the demise of the suppliers in 20 years I have seen management/ staff / boards disintegrate faster than retail outlets.
      Because of this every supplier just gets desperate to meet market share by selling anywhere they can.
      Combine this with limits on new technology the recipe is a disaster.
      Now the problem simply is an over supply of product the consumer just looses interest.
      For us to survive we have increased our vertical stock of product where we can meet the market prices and mantain margin at the same time.
      The shops are on the demise there is no doubt but so are the suppliers.

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      kloyd0306

      10 years ago

      Eric – Your situation is not in any way similar to the plight that the article points out.

      By being a national distributor/franchise holder as well as the major retailer in the country, you have two bites of the cherry. If a New Zealand retailer wants to stock the brands that you import, their single bite of the cherry puts them at a major disadvantage.

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      Josh

      10 years ago

      Tony,

      Your comment that golf shops have become the “jack of all trades and master of none” is just not true. While the current market trends have killed off a number of great specialty retailers there are still companies like ours which excel in all areas! As you know because I have personally fit YOU before, there is a business model that will still work going forward. That is what our free market is all about. Those who can offer a better product will prosper.

      We here at New York Golf Center combine all of the attributes you say you cant get under one roof. We were already recognized as a Golf Digest Top 100 fitting center and have only raised our level of service even more by partnering with Cool Clubs this year to enhance our NYGC powered by Cool Clubs fitting studios. We offer a price matching policy which insures that we can sell at the same price as any other authorized dealer. We have the best selection of equipment available on the planet from box sets for beginners or Miura for high end gearheads and everything in between. In addition we offer all of the Apparel basics the big box stores sell with the addition of ever changing fashion collections from Nike (TW) Lindeberg, RLX and soon Maide and Wolsey. We staff our store with core golfers who undergo continuous training and are privy to our extensive set of test data. This includes not only our launch monitor data from over 1300 fittings a year but also our partners Cool Clubs fitting data as well as proprietary shaft testing data.

      The “one insider’s view” article you published did highlight some of the challenges faced by us as retailers very accurately but was in fact nothing more than a bunch of crying. To suggest that one would not recommend high performing product from the leading seller of metal woods on the planet because he is mad at them is a disservice to not only his customers but also a bad business decision. To complain in a public forum and share their business details does nothing but alienate the reps and companies which retailers need to sell to stay open. It also asks consumers to feel like they should not get the most they can out of any deal which they of course should. The proper way to handle these issues is to work directly with the companies who have hurt their bottom line to change the way they operate and make for a healthier market for everyone. This is precisely what We do/have done and are doing now.

      I am sure tombstone graphics and shock journalism is a good formula to get high traffic at MGS but the articles you have been producing are heavy on the spin and limited in the reporting. In reality the customers serviced by Dick’s were never core golfers but casual players who account for very little in rounds played or dollars spent. I would ask how many MGS readers who are serious about the game would have shopped at Dick’s anyway? Lets face it, Golf was overgrown and over projected as an industry and even with the recent shrinkage, we are way ahead of where we were 20 years ago. What we are seeing is a simple market correction the same as we would see in any other overgrown industry on the planet. Passionate golfers are not leaving the game. While it is true that we are facing serious challenges as retailers going forward In my opinion the press (including this sight) are the ones driving most of the doom and gloom we are seeing in an effort to grab more market share in their field.

      I am always available to share my inside knowledge and am fully transparent in my process. I hope that this comment is published for the sake of consumers and industry insiders.

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      Within 10 blocks of you, how many places can a guy get a bespoke suit? Your demographic is significantly different than 99% of places in the country. Not just population, either.

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      Josh

      10 years ago

      Golfercraig,

      As stated we sell box sets, used clubs, last years closeouts in addition to any “bespoke” services we offer. We have all golfers covered not just the high end customer. Your comment suggests that we only service the top tier golfer but we actually have everything the big box stores have in addition to extraordinary services we offer.

      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      My comment is meant to differentiate your demo. To discuss your access to the “bespoke” customer. I see you gave no reply, so I’ll assume it’s more than 1.

      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      BTW–please don’t take my comments as a jab at you or your business. Everyone I know that has dealt with you has nothing but fantastic things to say about the experience. (And I know a lot of people) Sometimes my comments get snarky, but I promise you I wasn’t attacking or denigrating you/your business. You clearly do a great job. Sorry if what I said was inappropriate.

      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Josh,

      Always good to have you weigh in, and I’d never not publish one of your comments.

      I think you’ve inadvertently supported my arguments. The full quote is:

      “the average American pro shop has become a jack of all trades, and a master of none.”

      At the risk of being overly-complementary to somebody who laid into me (just a bit), there’s no way that the NY Golf Center qualifies as an average golf shop.

      You have a tremendous geographical/demographic advantage. Your midtown shop sits in the center of what certainly must be the most affluent urban area in the entire US. You have a location at Chelsea Piers. How many places are there in Manhattan where you can hit balls outside?

      Your customers have enough money to still care about true customer service. Would you not agree that your shop has a higher percentage of customers willing to spend 2K+ on a set of irons than most anywhere else in the country?

      Compare that to a shop in rural Iowa.

      You enjoy a tremendous advantage over the average golf shop, and in fairness, you’ve done an outstanding job cultivating that.

      Pull you out of Manhattan, and what you do is still far beyond the average. How far ahead of the custom fitting, build on-site, curve were you? How long have you had launch monitors and fully equipped hitting bays at your facilities? Look at the list of boutique (and I assume higher margin) brands you listed in your post. The partnership with Cool Clubs…it’s a long list. Your business has innovated ahead of the curve. That, my friend, is not reflective of the average golf shop.

      Regarding the Dick’s situation. It’s a sad fact that the core golfer is the minority. Last reasonable attempt at a count I saw said 14 million golfers, 6 million core. In 2013 the #1 Retailer of Golf Equipment (dollars) was the combination of Dick’s and the Dick’s owned Golf Galaxy. Dick’s was far and away the #1 retailer of TaylorMade products too. That’s not spin…that’s reality. Big box serves a revolving door full of golfers.

      We could look at the scaling back of Dick’s golf business with a sense of optimism and hope that a measurable percentage of the Dick’s shoppers will find their way to brick and mortar, but I’d wager they’ll join the masses shopping for deals online.

      I’m hearing from the golf companies that they want to do more to “support their retail partners”, and that probably means ending some of the heavy-handed, shove the inventory down your throat approach, but at the same time, direct to consumer threatens to undermine traditional retail.

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      Josh

      10 years ago

      I would never lay into you Tony. I love open discussions.

      As far as Dick’s they clearly were the biggest but the amount they purchased was not the amount they sold. When they began dumping product earlier this year they had at one time 17 different skus for TM drivers that stretched back 4 years. They had the same ancient product from Callaway. They clearly bought poorly and in a large part created their own mess. They kept buying product without selling through the product they already had.

      I appreciate that you recognize that our shops are far above average. What I am suggesting is the instead of the times dictating the end of golf retail they really are crying out for the return of independent retailers who offer the type of experience we offer. In a large part I think that would be offering the model we have created.

      I would agree that what would work might change a little due to regional idiosyncrasies. I would suggest that a good retailer like ourselves would identify the needs of their local golfers and tweak the basic outline we created to be successful in these regions.

      There will always be a ever-growing population of buyers who want to buy a club they have never tried on the internet without any real understanding of the functionality of said product. On this We agree. At the same time there will always be golfers who truly care about playing their best golf and purchasing in a wise and thoughtful way. Going forward these two models will co-exist as they should to cover the wants and needs of all who love and enjoy this great game!

      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      There’s probably a decent parallel to be drawn between the golf consumer, and what we’re seeing with much of the political scene. It’s gradual polarization.

      One one extreme you have the big box, online, eBay, give it to me now and give it to me cheap crowd, while on the other you have the increasing demand for a NYGC/Cool Clubs custom experience. It’s full service, or no service. The average Pro Shop exists in the shrinking middle. For better or worse, the middle is also easily served by big box, and is a much easier prey for the demo here, buy there mindset.

      What makes your business unique (my perspective anyway) is that you have developed a service portfolio, while not completely abandoning the middle. Still, I imagine you lose a sale to eBay every now and again.

      markb

      10 years ago

      +1 with golfercraig again (man, I hate doing that).

      NYC is not America. Out here in the boonies different forces are at work. You are the 1%, we are the 99%. We don’t buy Prada handbags or brunch at Le Cirque. You buy your Chateau Petrus at Sherry-Lehmann’s, we buy two buck Chuck at Trader Joe’s. Wall Street types don’t waltz in to our stores and drop $3K for an emergency build because they’ve got to play a charity tourney in St. Bart’s on the weekend.

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      Josh

      10 years ago

      As stated in my comment we have $499 box sets as well (full set with a bag). We offer used clubs and last years models at closeout prices so these comments are way off base. We have shoes for $50 bucks. We offer EVERYTHING one might want from a bargain hunter to a wall street Exec. We do not discriminate and our clients range from The Dyker Beach enthusiasts to members of Winged Foot.

      Furthermore Markb, the 99% you are associating yourself with does not know what Sherry-Lehmann is, If Petrus is Wine or fertilizer and what a Prada handbag costs so I am a little cynical about your every-man claim.

      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      Woah. Spoken like a true 1%er. I think you’d be surprised about what other people know. Your comment is significantly more elitist than his. It’s pretty easy to find out how much a Prada bag costs

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+much+does+a+prada+bag+cost%3F

      Again–your comment speaks volumes. 95% of golf retail isn’t within 200 miles of a club like Winged Foot.

      Josh

      10 years ago

      How are my comments elitist? I said we have something for everyone . That is inclusive not elitist. Could you explain?

      You seem to be a rabblerouser which I as a true New Yorker appreciate but lets keep it factual. At no time did I say directly or indirectly that we only service High end clients. That was said by you and Markb and is just not true.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Josh,
      What is your per capita sale vs that of a shop in the country side?

      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      Josh–here is the elitist comment

      “Furthermore Markb, the 99% you are associating yourself with does not know what Sherry-Lehmann is, If Petrus is Wine or fertilizer and what a Prada handbag costs so I am a little cynical about your every-man claim.”

      Again–I’m not knocking you or your business. But if you can’t see how that comment is elitist, it speaks more to your sense of entitlement as a “true New Yorker” than anything else.

      Regis

      10 years ago

      Here we go. So not only do we have the TM and Callaway bashers (who would appear to be to a large extent disgruntled retailers) Now we have small town retailers and Big City retailers venting their jealously and mistrust. Thank God Golf Channel is running (and re-running) “The Greatest Game Ever Played” or one might lose sight of the fact that we are discussing a game here.

      josh

      10 years ago

      Jealousy and mistrust? I have bashed no one including my valued partners Taylormade and Callaway. I have not expressed jealousy or mistrust for anyone. I dont know where you are getting this? please explain

      Regis

      10 years ago

      Keep looking over these posts. I’m a partner in a law firm and have made a respectable living. As previously mentioned I live on Long Island but frequently my job brings me into the City sometimes for extended periods. I didn’t know what a Bespoke suit was (had to look it up). My clothing comes from Jos A Banks or Paul Fredricks. Not familiar with Chateau Petrus or Sherry-Lehmann’s and never been to St Barts, let alone for a charity golf event, but I have travelled to Myrtle Beach, Florida, Arizona and Ireland for golf vacations. I’ve lived in the New York area my entire life and been an avid golfer since I was 13. Up until now I thought I was content ,but now you guys have me wondering if life has somehow passed me by.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Josh,
      I check the locations for the 4 fitters (CoolClubs…) listed in the article and each only have a couple of locations in some MAJOR cities. How many golfers do they serve? 10%? Doesn’t help much for the 90% rest.

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      Josh

      10 years ago

      Absolutely. What I am saying is that the current trend should not eliminate the retailers but make them evolve to offer what internet and big box stores can not deliver. With any luck companies like ours will be able to grow nation wide and service the golfing public that is sorely under serviced now.

      Josh

      10 years ago

      I am sure that our per capita sale is higher than most of the country but so is our rent, our staffing costs and our utility bills. I could take our model outside of our city and offer the same level of service with lower costs and make it work for more people. I could train avid golfers like the ones on this site to help their contemporaries play better golf and have a better experience. As a matter of fact I am hoping that the current climate will be the impetus to change the way golf companies see the future of the market and allow us as retailers to offer the consumers nationwide the service they deserve! That is and has been my point. Instead of people declaring that retail is dead they should be happy that the poor models that have tried to take over the industry are failing and opening the door for companies like ours to bring a better product into the marketplace.

      Roberto Verdi

      10 years ago

      Josh,
      Your business model doesn’t work without a substantial demographic base to support your overhead. Sorry, but such a substantial demographic base of golfers does NOT exist outside major population centers.

      Dan Sueltz

      10 years ago

      Josh, your business model is very good and definitely could work in another major metro area, but the challenge for anyone in the golf industry trying to be just another B&M golf store is that they do not have the volume of customers, buying power of the big box stores (or yourself) and well trained, experienced professionals to provide the “value-add” to the sale. We have been in business for 17 years in a roughly 2M population metroplex and have a very loyal customer base. The ONLY thing we do is custom fitting and custom building. We have Golf Galaxy, Dick’s, Golfsmith Extreme and PGA Tour Superstore all within a couple of miles of our fitting studio. We have had to be very creative in differentiating our business and we have done a great job. The eBay shoppers are not our customers and both we and they know it. Our business is 80% repeat customers and referral for our custom fitting business. The only way a new golf shop will make it in this day and age is to really FOCUS on their core expertise and educate their prospective customers. This even goes for new on-line sellers. You, fortunately, can cover pretty much every type of buyer but it is not that easy, even in a larger demographic like ours. We know that even our market has one too many big box stores and I am sure that will shake out in the next year. Quick question for you…do you have an online store?

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      markb

      10 years ago

      Sadly, I agree with golfercraig — there is no stopping the death of off-course golf shops. There are many growing trends in golf retailing and Tony has named most of them, but NONE of them favor the off-course shop. I cannot see how they will survive.

      Here in Utah, we have Uinta Golf (formerly Edwin Watts). As late as about 2007, Uinta was growing its retail outlets and the core stores were THE hive of golf activity in the state. Loaded with high quality used trade-ins, Uinta was our sanctum sanctorum, staffed by the trend-defining high priests of local golf. You went there just to see what was happening and chew the fat.

      Now their stores are empty, the trade-in program has been largely curtailed, their high-tech launch monitors are always turned off to discourage time-wasting lookie-loos. Until they spot a deep-pocketed fish, that is, at which point they’ll turn them on and odds are about even that the monitor will either be rigged or the early twenty-something kid won’t know how to use it. There is only one-thing this off-course store is good for — they’re the only ones in town with a loft-lie bending machine. And that’s the only thing I’ve used them for in five years.

      There is one kind of off-course shop that may be able to survive — those connected to a decent driving range/practice facility. If these range set-ups can combine a decent fitter, an indoor/outdoor monitor, and a bunch of demo clubs, they can present themselves as a DESTINATION for testing, fitting and ordering of clubs. We have two such ranges locally and for $4 per club you can go and hit a new driver to your heart’s content without having a sales rep jump in your shorts. If you like what you see, you can schedule a more detailed fitting and order up a custom spec with a very highly trained pro. The difference being: these ranges are set up primarily as practice facilities that can fit and order clubs, not as retail outlets who MUST sell you clubs to survive.

      Well, that’s all I have time for now. I must get back to my Ebay auctions. I’m high bidder on a new overstock Callaway V-Series driver at $135 and I can’t let it slip away.

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      Fozcycle

      10 years ago

      Just prior to reading this article, I:

      1) Ordered a sand wedge directly from Cobra, because I could get the right color(blue), the right li(2*Flat), the right shaft(Dynalite 85s) and the right grip(Lamkin REL 3GEN Blue) all at an affordable price…$60

      2) Ordered 2 gloves and a dozen balls from an online retailer that I used to order from 20 years ago out of catalogs(no storefronts)- MGGolf

      3) Ordered a new ball retriever from Amazon

      I guess I am helping to eliminate the local Pro shop. Not good….so I pledge to be more supportive of my club’s Pro Shop.

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      james

      10 years ago

      A 60 buck wedge?! You’re gonna need that ball retriever. (Couldn’t help myself… sorry)

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      MmmmmmBuddy

      10 years ago

      Hi Foz… Not to beat a dead horse, but that same exact wedge would have been at least $10 less from my local shop. (I checked.)

      Long live the local shop!!

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      Chisag

      10 years ago

      It is sad that a way of life is in danger of becoming extinct. You said if you can keep your ass in your chair and save a little money, so much the better. Pretty sad and telling statement. Knowing the owners of a B&M, supporting them and having an actual relationship seems to be lost on today’s ‘face in a smart phone’ crowd. Being able to see and touch the clubs you are going to buy is one of the joys of having an interest in equipment. Talking to the owner and sales people about golf, their family and heir game is (was?) all par of social interaction. But today many only care about me. There has always been much more to life than the bottom line.

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      I’m going to truly miss my customers. I’ve talked as many guys out of as many drivers as I’ve talked into drivers. The day of knowledge being a tangible asset are over. Young ones are used to just using Google to find info. You don’t have to have knowledge, you just have to know where to find it. Good companies know this, and pay people for reviews/blog posts. In every sector of retail. One of my best friends makes 7 figures a year outsourcing reviews for Amazon/Best Buy/Travelocity to a call center in the Philippines. Reviews are bought and paid for, but the consumer doesn’t know it. It’s a clusterfuck.

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      lGolfnBuds

      10 years ago

      Fantastic phenomenal story as always! Now is a great time to buy online via a legitimate seller on eBay as the manufacturers wipe out their big box and golf course distribution channels. The buyer has a TON of buying power right now.

      Eventually, once the traditional distribution channels are greatly reduced or eliminated, I believe the manufacturers will focus more on the direct sales and eliminate many of those opportunities for people who know what they want and prefer to buy from eBay to save $$$.

      They may sell less but they will profit much more.

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      Revkev

      10 years ago

      I feel everyone’s pain and don’t want to come across as harsh, just a realist. Why should the golf industry be different from any other?

      My first big boy job was in retail. I worked for Kinney Shoes which was owned and operated by Woolworth. Does anyone remember Woolworth 5 and dimes? They were once so big that the company built a 70 sky scrapper in midtown Manhattan. People stopped going to 5 and dimes and they didn’t adapt. They’re gone. Kinney was the last branch of Woolworth turning a profit and it broke free, it started Footlocker. People stopped buying shoes, the Kinney brand name disappeared but Footlocker did very well and continues to do reasonably well today.

      The Market place is tough, even the biggest fall. I don’t claim to have a crystal ball but I have been in two remarkable golf shops. Both were connected to courses. Both had amazing inventories primarily of used equipment that they would allow out on the course for a spin. Hands on, in expensive, quality equipment with expert advice and great service. They could also do repairs and tweaks to the equipment.

      If the shop can allow the consumer to be hands on at a good price it has a chance to survive. That’s what I think.

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      Eric_*Reno

      10 years ago

      I love the local shop, I just can’t drop the extra $. It feels like I’m giving a $100+ donation every time I make a purchase at the local shop. It’s just not worth it.

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      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Yip, for the 1% in the top tax bracket, that does not matter, but for us middle and lower income golfers, every cent counts as the sport is already expensive enough. So I do not care where I found the cheapest product.

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      Roberto Verdi

      10 years ago

      So, Robeli… Don’t care. So how that works out. Enjoy the society of shuttered store fronts, higher unemployment and lower standards of living that you and your “I don’t care crew” are driving us towards.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Yea, I don’t care. I’m not a charity organization. I also have to make a living and put food on the table and try to play golf.

      Dan Sueltz

      10 years ago

      Yes, the traditional B&M shops are dead but the new specialty fitting studios will survive quite nicely by having two models: Buy the best custom fitting and custom built clubs where you can truly see the difference in performance and quality or go to my online store and by at prices that will match the other on-line guys but with faster delivery, better customer service and top quality. Some existing B&M stores will convert to this model but others will just give up. New entrants into this new age of online versus B&M will have to be able to be effective in both areas if they want to survive. We are in the specialty fitting studio space but are moving quickly to providing an online experience second to none.

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      ” Buy the best custom fitting and custom built clubs where you can truly see the difference in performance and quality”

      The guys shooting 88-100 can’t see the difference. That’s 95% of the golfing public. People buy new things because they have the money. Pay 1K for perfectly built custom set of irons, and play them for 5 years, isn’t what most guys are looking for. The guy shooting 90 won’t be able to see the difference. He’s happier buying last years closeout for $400, and having $600 to spend on greens fees and beer.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      “The guys shooting 88-100 can’t see the difference.” It depends on how standard off-the-shelf clubs misfit them. The off-the-shelf clubs will fit a small percentage of people well and will be close enough for another small percentage. For the balance of golfers shooting those scores, getting clubs that fit can greatly reduce the number of mis-hit shots and so reduce their scores substantially without any swing changes.

      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      Just patently false. The guy shooting 100 cannot get substantially better without swing changes. First of all, the guy shooting 100 is really shooting 115 or more. “Fit” clubs are not going to help. I’m going with 20 years of experience fitting players from a tour van for a big OEM to thousands of everyday-don’t keep a handicap-shoot 90 hacks. This is a big part of the problem. Lying to players about the benefits of “fit” clubs instead of being honest with them and teaching them how to play. From golf mags, to forums, to retail stores–it’s a damn lie. 2 lessons of an hour each may make a guy shooting 100 10 shots better. No club will do that. None. Regardless of how it fits.

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      Agree 1000%

      Regis

      10 years ago

      These kind of observations regularly piss me off because they totally disregard the lifetime golfer who because of age or disability now shoots 85-100 but used to be a single digit handicap, and trust me their are a lot of us. I play a lot with guys in their 60’s or older who can’t hit the ball more than 200 yards anymore but have excellent fundamentals (comes with taking lessons and playing for a lot of years), great short games and play in 3 1/2 hours. They also know the rules and etiquette associated with the game Trust me they appreciate a properly fitted club as much as their younger counterparts and probably have more disposable income.
      HERE’s a idea. Instead of bemoaning the loss of new players coming into the game and badmouthing (probably inadvertently) those golfers who “shoot 88-100” (you’ve done it several times in these blogs) why not focus your merchandising on avid golfers over 50 who are every bit as enthusiastic and make up a substantial chunk of regular golfers that remain instead of dismissing them. This goes to clothing as well as clubs and accessories. (As an aside-these golfers are probably less likely to buy everything on the internet and more likely to stop in your B&M store) Carry more A flex shafts , softer compression balls and market the fact that your set up to cater to them.
      But you guys “in the business” will disregard this advice because I’m admittedly “not in the business”. I’m just the guy on which your sales strategy should focus.

      EZE

      10 years ago

      I agree Craig about the custom fit clubs line. Unless your swing is somewhat repeatable, custom fit clubs do nothing to very little for you. I remember seeing a thread on another site where a guy posted a picture of his iron face showing ball impact marks that literally covered the entire face and made the thread title
      “see, a 10 hcp can be a good ball striker”. The guy was quickly put in his place, but that goes to show that most people in general don’t truly understand what it takes to get better at this game. Buying that custom fit driver or set of irons may make you feel like a better player, but overall is only going to make you a better player if you have a repeatable….or somewhat repeatable swing. The guy that is shooting 100 scores may need a 2* upright lie on one swing and a 2* flat lie on the next one just due to the inconsistencies in his swing. We all want to believe our game is better than it is….me included, but in reality, the best bet is to get with a good swing coach/instructor and get some lessons……then worry about how well fit your clubs are to your swing.

      ParHunter

      10 years ago

      Sorry buy i don’t agree with that. I am a mid 80 shooter and I recently got fitted for a new driver. It made a massive difference. I gained 30 to 40 yards. My old driver just launched high and added lots of backspin so the ball just ballooned and then just dropped out of the sky. The new driver is a low spin driver and as it is a driver marketed for Pro’s and good amateurs no one in a normal store would have recommended it to me but my club fitter just went by what worked for me and I ended up with drives that are a lot longer than before. And you say custom fitting doesn’t make a difference?

      AWOL

      10 years ago

      Normally i agree with you on most things golfercraig but im with others this time. I’m 11 hcp so obviously i don’t break 80. My swingspeed is 98-102mph and i gamed a RBZ stage 1 without getting fitted and my balls would balloon like crazy on me. I’m one of the guys that don’t need help getting the ball up in the air so a lot of distant balls and GI drivers really hurt me. So when i got my R1 a got a good fitting even though my swing speed is not pro standard, I ended up with heavier shaft in XS. Something that i would never have bought on my own. My pro studied my swing and showed that i load the shaft a lot because of my slow backswing but quick transition. So a heavier shaft with lower degrees of torque were key to my swing. Anyways Fuji Speeder 757 gained me a lot of yards that i thought i didn’t have. With the RBZ some holes i played it was a driver and a 7i with the R1 same hole is a driver and a 9i so that’s what… 15-20 yds more.

      Wayne

      10 years ago

      I disagree I play around 85-90 and it is because I got fitted properly that I was able to get down from 100 to 85 and now 80 is in sight, and this because I am using costume fitted wedges and irons

      Robeli

      10 years ago

      How often did you played when shooting 100 vs playing now that you are shooting 85? Be honest, I bet it is probably twice more now. That is because you are shooting lower, you are enjoying it more and the more you play, the better you get. One of the fundamentals in golf. Sure, fitting helped, but it is not so helpful as the high handicapper thinks.

      PG

      10 years ago

      When you add up all of the stock across all of those bricks & mortar pro shops (let’s just consider the US), that’s a hell of a lot of stock – where does it all end up when the newer gear arrives, surely not on eBay??

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      Yes. eBay. Most of the OEM’s will pick up the leftovers, and sell them to grey market accounts to dump on eBay. As of now, 2 of the OEM’s are putting together their own eBay portals. This is going to worse before it gets better. On the other hand, no better time to be a consumer. Great gear, all with great tech, for pennies on the dollar.

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      Roberto Verdi

      10 years ago

      Who are these 2 OEMs putting together their own eBay portals?

      markb

      10 years ago

      That is EXACTLY where they end up. Now you know why every club I’ve bought in the last five years has been a) on Ebay, b) authentic, and c) more that 50% off from authorized resellers.

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      As soon as pros quit owning the pro shops, the green grass model was over. The problem with a driver begins the moment you sell it. No one ever brought a shirt back and said “I still slice it.”

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      James

      10 years ago

      I once returned a red golf shirt that I wore on a Sunday and told the pro shop I didn’t shoot like Tiger.

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      Lou

      10 years ago

      lol

      James

      10 years ago

      Clean out the pro shop showroom. Put in a wet bar and a couple of computer stations pre-set to Ebay.

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      Nevin

      10 years ago

      Not surprizingly, this exact discussion is going on in many hobbies and leisure activites. The internet and Ebay are changing a lot of things. You should see what is happening in the modeling (trains and planes) hobby right now. Things change and evolve. Those that can adapt, survive. I remember when everyone bought their golf clubs at green grass pro shops. Then the local B&M shops opened, then the Big box stores opened. Green grass shops had to change and now these other stores will either adapt or go out of business. I don’t think that B&M stores will go away completely but they will have to adjust and figure out a way to compete. The club manufacturers will have to change their business model too. Maybe Ping and Titleist were smarter thant people thought.

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      Corey Kasif

      10 years ago

      Large company dictates terms to retail shop. Retail shop dictates terms to small/medium companies. The one who gets shafted (no pun intended) is the small/medium company. I get asked all the time why my glove (LeviTee) isn’t in any big box retailers. The reason is that as a small company we can’t survive on their terms (when they pay for goods). Its usually 120 days and if it doesn’t sell they send product back to us. It doesn’t make sense for us or any other small/medium company. The retailer needs to fix these issues with both large and small/medium companies. I would hope they know their demographics and buying seasons for their customers. They should know how much inventory they need and how to sell it, repeat the cycle. I GUARANTEE if the retailers pushed back, the large companies would listen and change their ways. I would also like to see better programs for bringing in smaller brands to the masses.

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      Jonathan morlA

      10 years ago

      This is an interesting article and explains why I go to the local golf shop just to see what is new and feel what I like then go on the Internet to find the best price. There are probably 3 to 4 different golf courses just in my area alone that can bend the clubs to fit properly. Really all I go to the brick and mortar shops for is apparel and new grips. I even buy my golf balls on the Internet for a cheaper price

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      golfercraig

      10 years ago

      Today’s golfer will not notice. B&M golf retail (hell, all B&M retail) is going away. There is no stopping it. It’s just a matter of time. OEM’s grey marketing clubs to be dumped on eBay was the death knell for retail golf. It spelled the end of making margin on closeout golf clubs, which drove the prices so low as to be unprofitable. I’m ecstatic to be getting out of this industry. Consumers are more confused than ever, OEM’s care less than ever. A bad combo.

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      Jeff Williams

      9 years ago

      golfercraig,

      Enjoyed reading your informative posts. I am a 30 year store owner in Beaumont, TX. of a practice, learning and retail facility called Games People Play, Inc. I sued Nike in May 2014 for allegations described in our complaint. See GPP vs. Nike on the internet. I would like to discuss more about the OEM’s dumping on eBay to compare to what I know about it. Thanks, Jeff Williams. 409-781-6508, [email protected]

      Reply

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