The Truth Part 3
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The Truth Part 3

The Truth Part 3

In Part 1 of this series I discussed how golf companies use traditional advertising, watered down tests, and giveaways to manipulate content and ensure that nearly everything you read about those companies and their products is overwhelmingly positive. In Part 2 I detailed the consequences that result from less than universally positive content. I showed you some of the tricks reviewers use to make sure everyone stays happy, and I explained how something as fundamental as maintaining relationships with your contacts can influence what gets published.

Part 3

In this 3rd and final installment I’ll show you how the big money grab is slowly squeezing out the smaller OEMs and even the inventors and start-ups with an unfortunate combination of great products and shallow pockets. Finally, I’ll let you know what you can do to determine whether what you’re reading is unfiltered content, or just cleverly disguised advertising.

Picking on the Little Guy

Most on our side of the industry learn pretty quickly that golf’s biggest names are willing to spend golf’s biggest bucks to make sure their products get plenty of exposure. In our free market economy it’s hard to argue that a company shouldn’t benefit from all the advertising it can afford. It helps the big guys sell product (lots, and lots of product), and the advertising revenue helps keep the golf sites in business. It also happens to provide some of the site owners with an opportunity to make a very comfortable living. Along the way readers get exposure to all the latest gear, and a lucky few actually benefit from the giveaways. The problem is that when monetization becomes the end-game those who can’t afford to play quickly get squeezed out.

The reality is that for many media outlets, Pay-To-Play has become vital to the way business is conducted. As much as golf is a hobby or a passion for many of you, it’s very much a business. If some content is bought and paid for (either directly or through advertising), why shouldn’t nearly all content be?

We think big bucks make for big bullies. The biggest names in golf shouldn’t be able to reduce the little guy to insignificance simply because they can outspend him. If we took that approach our readers would miss out on some great finds and big surprises. While it was being mocked in other forums, MyGolfSpy tested PowerBilt’s AirForce One Driver and found it to be the longest driver of 2010. Though they barely got a mention anywhere else, two of the best wedges that came through our doors last season were Boccieri Golf’s Heavy Wedge, and Solus’ FC-10. Hireko’s Dynacraft irons proved they could hang with the big boys, and both Wilson and MacGregor showed us they still had the chops to make an outstanding forged iron at a very competitive price. One of my personal favorite irons (and among the favorites of our testers) from last year was Fourteen Golf’s TC-910, and almost nobody else bothered to cover it.

You’d think I’d be smarter by now, but in a recent conversation I had with my contact at a smaller golf company, I was shocked to learn that two of the larger golf sites on the Internet told him that if he wanted an “unbiased” review of his product, he’d need to pay for it (by becoming a site advertiser). Just as with many smaller golf companies, this one didn’t have the budget to pony up for the review. As a result readers of these sites may never get to hear about a product that we think might prove to be a game changer. Not only are big golf companies influencing what you see, their willingness to spend and spend big often dictates what you don’t see.

For the big guys spending big isn’t an issue, because around 20% of their massive budgets are devoted to marketing. For the smaller companies, however, ad budgets are absolutely minimal (if they exist at all), with the biggest chunk devoted to research and engineering (what a concept, right?). For the individual who has dumped his life savings into his product, site sponsorship are almost always out of the question. If sites like MyGolfSpy and others aren’t willing to help out with a little bit of exposure he’s probably never going to succeed. For every Martin Chuck (inventor of the TourStriker and instructor at the TourStriker Golf Academy) there are thousands of guys with good ideas that just didn’t make it.

Bucking the Trend

While I believe it’s important for the average golfer to understand the role that corporate dollars play in influencing the content they see on their favorite golf sites, I’ve got nothing against the other media outlets who take in big OEM dollars. It’s not how we chose to operate, but there is no denying that some of those guys have built outstanding communities where golfers can passionately discuss their love of the game and the equipment that powers it.  They’ve given a ton of free gear to their followers, and they’ve managed to support their families while doing it. They operate and succeed under a time-proven business model, and I truly wish them nothing but continued success. The bigger they get, and the more intertwined they become with the big golf companies, the greater the opportunity for MyGolfSpy to differentiate ourselves and carve our own niche.

That said, one of the first, and most valuable lessons I learned in the business world is that the absolute worst reason for doing anything a certain way is to do it because it is the way it had always been done before. We don’t want to succeed by walking in someone else’s footsteps, we want to carve our own path. We don’t ever want to become yet another in a long line of mini-Golf Digests. We don’t ever want to depend on big OEM dollars to survive, and we never want to be part of a system designed to either bleed the little guy dry, or squeeze him out altogether. That is how it has always been done, but it’s not how we want to do it. We’re comfortable being MyGolfSpy, even if it means we don’t get Christmas cards from the big OEMs, and if some others in the media speak of us with contempt, and mock us for having the audacity to speak openly and honestly about the companies they depend on to survive.

The Truth is Out There

You love golf, I get that.  I’d never suggest that you boycot big OEMs or never visit another golf site. My goal is simply to help you understand that much of what you see and read is driven as much or more by money than it is by any real desire to educate golfers, or to share a love for the game.

If you’re not sure what’s real, what’s unfiltered, and what’s honest, take a look at the banner ads. Is there any real substance, or do they simply rehash the marketing info while finding some insignificant detail to nitpick. Do they have the stones to acknowledge that their sponsor’s club is shorter, and less accurate than a competitor’s, or even last year’s model? The truth is right in front of your eyes, you just have to look for it.

If there’s ever a doubt what’s real and what’s not, don’t be afraid to ask to see the numbers, but be specific. Ask to see the data that supports their claims that a sponsor’s driver is the longest they’ve ever tested. Most importantly ask how much the big OEMs are spending to keep the positive reviews and fluffy content coming. Of course, I’m certain none of them would give you an honest answer because if they did, you wouldn’t just wonder whether what you just read was the result of big money well spent, you’d be certain of it.

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      Stephen

      10 years ago

      I’m a fitter/builder/repair/refurbish company with a mobile unit.
      From day one I got certified through Golfsmith my eyes were opened.
      Had a guy there with $1500 worth of clubs and a bag from Titleist.
      The guy hit about 10 balls and then the instructor handed him a club or two to hit.
      They guy added 10 plus yards to the very same club # (this was a 6 iron) and grouped them to half or less of the distance.
      The guy was really confused and actually pissed he had spent so much on a set of clubs and now found out a set at half the price (Snake Eyes) were better.
      It’s been a hidden secret just like the author says.
      I tell people all the time that Hireko is as good as it gets for a weekend golfer, a hacker, a hobbyist/etc. There is no reason to spend the money that people do on a name brand set of clubs and they don’t need a standard set anyway.
      Each golfer needs specific help by having certain clubs in their bag. Some need more irons. Some need more hybrids, some need more fairway woods, very few need a 460 driver.
      Thanks for saying what I have realized long ago.
      Stephen

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      The Club Nut

      9 years ago

      Stephen, spot on. It’s a tough sell for sure, but slowly i’ve been opening my eyes to locals about the big OEMs and their saturation of the market. Sometimes they’re the best, most times they’re actually not. Even better players have come to me and are in awe of the stuff i can build them for the same or cheaper cost that completely out performs their current set that they just bought. It’s amazing, but advertising is doing it’s job i guess. “you NEED this if you want to play better” is all people hear.

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      Tom

      10 years ago

      Lovely little article piece. I’ve just rediscovered the game after 10 years not playing, am in my late 20s having suffered sports injuries I’m now limited to golf (not that it is a bad limit, I’m really enjoying it and my partner has started playing too which is really nice). I was amazed at firstly how much stuff is out there online written about golf and, having been wowed by a few sites, started to get suspicious as I read through archives. Not one reviewed product was reviewed negatively (in over 100 posts surely you find something you don’t like), and when a particular site rated a product similar to one which had been revealed as a scam in Australia (see here https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/11913296/power-balance-forced-into-bankruptcy/) and then jumped all over a commenter who pointed out that the product was bogus made me suspicious of everything.

      It’s a shame but I suppose it means I have to put a critical eye over everything but I suppose I’ll leave two comments about the value of these sights:
      1) they’re still good to know what is out there
      2) it is hard to buy products without testing them as you can’t trust what is written/said about them online; which if you’re being a sensible customer means heading down to an actual shop rather than buying things online, you pay a premium for this but it is worthwhile in my view.

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      Tom

      10 years ago

      *sites

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      AlpineSport

      13 years ago

      Great article MGS. I am also in the golf industry, but don’t have the opportunity for insider perspective on marketing and advertising. It is very refreshing to fully understand the relationships between the OEM’s and the Social Media. What a waste of money and efforts to push marketing more forcibly than trying to be true to ingenuity and design, and listen to consumers.

      I couldn’t help but think that the company you were referring to for the enitre article was Cleveland golf as the second page you said, “(probably an out of touch old guy in a bad sweater)” which of course I immediately envisioned Greg Hopkins argylle sweater. Also, in their Mashie Review you had mentioned that they no longer send you equipment.

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      STEVE ALMO

      13 years ago

      If I may…..One of the big differences between the Majors then and now, when I worked for them, is a large account did about $10K to $25K per year. And to make for a successful territory you HAD to call on Green Grass accounts (meaning golf courses and driving ranges). Obviously, the more Green Grass accounts you had the more $$$ generated. There were not the huge number of off-course shops like today.

      Successful Majors did somewhere in the area of $30 Mill to $100 mill per year. Whereas today a successful Major does upwards of a $Billion per year. Quite extraordinary. The salesman with the Majors today…won’t walk across the street unless the opening order is $10K minimum. And most don’t even know what a Green Grass account looks like! It’s all stores and cherry picking today. They live at the biggies…and yet, a very smart man (the late Dick Marchetti..Miller Golf) once said to me, “Most golf Salesman drive by more business than they write”.

      Back then, the owners of the companies were actually bigger than the company…they were bigger than life in some cases…and lengendary. Several that come to mind are:

      Karsten Solheim (Ping)
      Stan Thompson (The Ginty..you remember)
      Nat/Leroy Rosassco (NorthWestern)
      Ben Hogan
      Carl Ross (Lynx)
      Pat Simmons (Tiger Shark)
      The Hansbergers (Ram)

      And others, that escape me right now.

      If the Majors seem cold hearted and sell, sell, sell! It really was that way back then without the huge numbers…the main difference was that you could put a face with the company, as above. And they would let a ‘great product’ run it’s course rather than intro a new product every 6 months. That may be a short fix…but, if it really is a great product…it’s put to sleep before it gets it’s wings!

      But bottomline….without the Majors there wouldn’t be a component business or as many small companies as you see today trying to make their mark.

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      STEVE ALMO

      13 years ago

      Forgive me…forgot the late great Gary Adams of TaylorMade!

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      Lank

      13 years ago

      Great report MGS.
      The main reason we all subscribe to this forum is a passion for golf – and especially equipment, looking for whats new with a “neutral” commentary – you do it well!

      My reason for writing is, that “marketing” in golf works best by association – look at Nike’s sales since they sponsored TW. The big OEM’s do it so well, whilst the smaller ones struggle to get market share.

      This “affiliation factor” made me look at one of your regular advertisers more closely – Bobby Grace Putters; I am a Ping man, and actually had never heard of his gear. Its not big in the shops over here in Oz, and I do not know anyone on Tour who uses them? Not even seen an advert in GolfDigest?

      I went on his www, and even though I liked some of the gear, I was not sure it was for me, but thought I would contact them to see what they would advise for a tall bloke (6’8″) who leaves most putts short, with a push.

      A reply came back that night with advice on length, lie, weight, style etc and a quote.
      I tried to order the recommendation on-line, but the www could not accept this many differences, so I e-mailed again, and a response pinged back (pun intended), to order via e-mail, which I did at 8am Friday morning, Perth time.

      This chap was so helpful, I thanked him for his time, and got stuck into work.

      However, he replied back (9pm Florida Time) – “stuck on my CNC machine to get your order out and a large order to Asia, regards, Bobby”

      My point is, that the service you get from the smaller OEM is often as memorable as the product; I spoke to Bobby Grace himself over my putter?

      It arrived Tuesday morning the following week.
      Its a beauty – just got to make more of those 6 footers coming back now!

      From now on, my first point of contact for new gear, is the MGS review – the word is spreading, and if you rate it highly, its worth looking at for more than one reason!

      Enjoy

      Lank

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      xxio

      13 years ago

      Can anyone honestly tell me that when a company, whether small or big, sends in free equipment to test they are not itching for a favorable review? I’m sure when they send something in they double check the specs, something they might not do for OTR production models (as long as within tolerance).

      When is it considered selling out? Like I said once the equipment is sent for free it is tainted. Even when it is free, there is a relationship that is created. The tester may feel a certain bias, unintentionally of course, because there are now persons and correspondence behind the club. Simple psychology.

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      GolfSpy T

      13 years ago

      xxio – This issue isn’t that a company wants a favorable/slightly positive review, it’s that the expectation is that it will be a glowing (A+++, Awesome, Best Ever) review. Anyone who has taken 30 seconds worth of statistics understands the concept of a bell curve. The majority of what we test is, and statistically should be, average, and yet the system we’re all supposed to buy into wants you to believe that 99% of golf equipment is above average. Apart from being statistically impossible, it’s insane.

      I certainly understand why you might think the equipment we get in for review might not be off the rack; that it has been double checked across the board. You’re thinking tour van quality stuff right? I actually thought that would be the case as well, but we’ve tested enough equipment for lie/loft, shaft flex, and even things that the average golfer might not think about (shaft wobble/oscillation), that I’m comfortable in asserting that what we’re getting for review is absolutely the same as what you’d get off the rack at retail or even from a “custom” order.

      Your last point (which I also mentioned in part 2) may have some merit, and is why we tend to be less friendly than most with our OEM contacts. Friendly relationships from time to time do cause complications. I should point out, however; that as part of our review process we collect real launch data from 6 different golfers. Those 6, and often handfuls of other golfers also take part in our subjective surveys. Of the 6, only 1 (me) ever has any interaction with the OEMs. The rest of the guys aren’t on staff, don’t deal with the OEMs, and basically are only in it to check out new gear and hit golf balls for free. Of our 5 core non-staff testers, only 1 is even a regular reader of MyGolfSpy, most visit very rarely, if at all. While sometimes I wish they were more apart of the site, I also think the fact that they’re distanced from what we do day to day helps maintain objectivity.

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      xxio

      13 years ago

      So how does favoring the little guys solve the 99% A+++ review problem? Even the little guys want that.

      Which will lead me to the question that I put up in part 2 re: R11. It seems you no longer include TM within your reviews because of that. Does that detract from your review comparisons? TM buys the Tour pay for play, that makes them the most visible and the best selling driver. I have friends that kill the SF V2.0 and some that cannot get along with the upright lie angle and low launch (vs V1). I would have loved to hear you honest review compared to other clubs. But now because of a negative experience/bias I cannot?

      GolfSpy T

      13 years ago

      I wouldn’t say we favor the little guys, but we’re definitely willing to give them the chance that most others won’t. There aren’t any universal truths here. Not all big golf companies are evil. Not all small companies are saintly. What I believe separates us is that we allow everyone to compete on a level playing field without any concern for marketing budgets. The outcome of any review we write is based on actual data and the results of our surveys. Company size and the nature of the relationship with MGS is never a factor.

      TaylorMade’s exclusion thus far in 2011 has nothing to do with a negative review (they don’t like it when we post Spy Pics of new products). In fact, since I’ve been at MyGolfSpy, we’ve only reviewed a single TM club (R9 Super-Tri). It finished middle of the pack in our head to head look at adjustable drivers, and no one from TaylorMade complained.

      The decision to not feature TaylorMade products on MyGolfSpy thus far this season was ultimately theirs. I remain nothing, if not open to testing a variety of TaylorMade products.

      Berniez40

      13 years ago

      I have enjoyed reading all three sections of this. I am glad that Mr. Almo has weighed in as well. (Steve I used to pack The Bangster in my bag and look forward to eventually finding a Geek Golf head that suits my rather eccentric swing) Personally speaking, I love MGS, and have even mentioned the site in several of my reviews.Believe me–I know how hard it can be.
      I used to be about the only guy who waved the flag for Nickent Golf before their eventual demise.(I still bag several of their Arc Wedges that Hoeflich made sure got a special sole grinding.) I was a big proponent of Wilson Staff and their resurgence long before it became the cult thing to do. I got beaten about the head neck and shoulders by a few big retailers for recommending the FG Tour Ball so highly, and several shills for a Certain Sporting Goods Chain ( whose name is reflective of the shills that work for them) couldn’t wait to leave comments about the ball, and questioned my veracity. Funny–two years after the fact–they now carry the ball. No apologies necessary there Dick’s.
      Since I write reviews for the sake of getting the truth aout there, I know what an actual beating you can take in the old e-mail box for doing so. But the really payoff comes when people e-mail me asking my opinion between several sets of clubs, or the thank yous I get from others who simply read my stuff, got fittted, and took the plunge. To this day, I still bag my Wilson Staff Di 9 irons–an iron that nobody wanted to like–as well as my Nickent Wedges. I honestly gave the Wilsons a 4 star rating for not integrating hybrids into the set, but I’m a fairway metal kind of guy anyways. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!—I WILL CONTINUE TO MENTION YOU GUYS IN MY REVIEWS. HONESTY IS DAMNED HARD TO COME BY IN ALMOST ANY RETAIL INDUSTRY–Much less one in which many of the players themselves sport vanity handicaps for show, while others sandbag for dough.

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      Anthony Audino

      13 years ago

      People have said for a long time that golf parellels life. Our lives are run by big money. Oil companies, pharmaceuticals, insurance, banks and Wall St., etc… This “game” that is being played by the golf companies is just a microcosm of what surrounds us. I truly appreciate this website you run, not only to share thoughts of this wonderful game between other enthusiasts, not because of the cool contests, but because of your unbiased truth in representation of golf products and the world of golf in general. There is way too much deciet self serving and greed in this world and it is refreshing to be a part of something so rare and honest. Thanks!

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      John

      13 years ago

      A very interesting thread!

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      Garry

      13 years ago

      Show me an industry where this isn’t true. It’s been going on since business started and will continue to go on. WHAT’S NEW? The American way is to starve or buy out your competition…. then move it to China and import it back. Sounds like capitalism at its finest. How can anyone argue with the great American way of doing business?

      Nobody owes the small start ups a dime. It is a chance we take as risk takers.. and will continue to be that way.. THAT is the great AMERICAN WAY!!

      3 things the golf industry needs to address according to the NGF…. and the industry won’t do a thing about is. Latest figs to date. Golf rounds for the US is down 12% from 2010. The golf industry is a dead industry needing some serious oxygen in the US

      1. Time it takes to play.. How may you big hitters have to play the tips, but belong up on the whites(EGO???)
      2. COST.. and these little tiny companies pay ZERO attention to cost.. $200 wedges atre pure BS.. then they whine because they go broke? Remember Snake Eyes and the $200 wedge? like in the middle 1880’s? Wonder why Golfsmith owns them?
      3.Difficulty of the game.. Nobody wants to practice.. They Think buying a $400 driver will do it

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      STEVE ALMO

      13 years ago

      Garry….I can tell you about Snake Eyes…it wasn’t the price of the wedge that sent them reeling on a downward spiral…it was the management that sent this company sideways!
      Ego’s and no one to control the $$$ properly was the real downfall. They were doing amazing….but, they didn’t have the proper financial people making those hard decisions. They could have been a King!

      I have always said….give me a great Financial person to hold the creative people (marketing and design) in-line and you can Rule the World!

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      Jay Pop

      13 years ago

      Whoaa Garry. The GREAT American way is starve out or buying out your competitor, huh, maybe until recently with corporate conglomerates and cheap manufacturing costs overseas. The TRUE American way was to build a superior product, bring it to market amongst competitors and let the product do the talking thus winning themselves a market share not ALL of the share/pie as you are stating. Not out marketing, out spending, buying the media, etc. BTW, what is considered a fair price for a wedge or any club for that fact? Is it cast, forged, etc. What is the quality control, what was raw cost of materials and labor, what is profit? Without knowing this how can you make a staement that small companies pay ZERO attention to cost. Unfortunaltely many do not know any of this as your assumption eluded too and Steve corrected. Now I do agree that many of these products appear overpriced, however if the market bears it than we are the ones to blame and obviusly larger companies can produce in larger quantities thus keeping costs of manufacturing lower. Also, who said anything about owing the small companies anything. I beleive you missed the point entirely, which was large OEM’s manipulating the 3rd party review process by virtue of ad dollars and other tactics and the hurdles small companies have to make a name for themselves as a result.

      mygolfspy

      13 years ago

      Could not have said it much better Jay.

      Jay Pop

      13 years ago

      Bravo. Great articles and no different in any other industry including the marketing hype and snake oils. Each company has the ability to decide what their market goal is and have the ability to control that. Therefore, if a small company does “make it” and becomes one of the OEM giants and practice these industry tactics then they have indeed sold out and this is where it becomes a “bad thing” xxio (not trying to single you out). Yes, they may have started small and may stilll produce good products, but at what expense to others. Others meaning us the consumer, small start up, pro golfers, etc. Their mighty dollars run deep and ultimately water everything down, where competitors play similar games on what is produced and ofcourse the standard price fixing/matching. I among others on here can attest to numerous forums where members laugh at what some smaller companies are charging for a product beacause of the name on the face, albeit the entire product is far superior in craftmanship, quality, and playability than the big OEM’s. So I for one do not see any malice in these articles towards the big OEM’s products, only their practices and applaud MGS.

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      clam fist

      13 years ago

      I just am happy that you cover ALL equipment. I have found some great products that I would otherwise never have heard of on my own. Keep up the good work.

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      stevefree

      13 years ago

      I don´t have an OEM club in the bag, but the people must understand that most of the Tour pros who sold their souls to the OEM´s many moons ago, only play with the heads and they are totally adapted, shafts, grips etc are all personal preference.
      the main problem is golf has no standards, evrything is judged on hitting it further.
      have you guys tried a TM R11 shop bought?
      the shaft, stiff !!!!! put it on frequency check, hahaha
      the grip is like something from a toy shop.
      in the EU costs about 400€, worth about 80€

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      xxio

      13 years ago

      I agree with Steve.

      Just remember everyone was a little guy once and that 90% of the little guys want to be as successful as the big guys. What happens when a little guy does succeed? They go to the other side of the fence and and no longer “favored”. When did being successful become a bad thing?

      When Scratch/Eidolon/etc eventually becomes a top5 company, do we start to dislike them just because they may have a lower end product that will cater to a different market then what they specialize in now?

      I used to play Steve’s products, when he was with Bang Golf. It seems he understands that success is a process that all little guys want and the big guys have. I read his comments in the other parts and it is refreshing to see the point of view from someone who is a “little guy” (no offense meant Mr. Almo).

      Everyone wants to root for the little guy, it doesn’t mean the big guys are always bad.

      Like it was mentioned, the only way is the Consumer Report way. Buy it yourself otherwise if it is sent to you, whether by a big guy or a little guy, it will always be tainted.

      I hope someone read my reply in part2.

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      STEVE ALMO

      13 years ago

      XXIO…..just read your thoughts…and your reply in Part II as well.

      I do remember when Gary Adams started TaylorMade in ’77/’78…as a ‘little guy’ (BTW..I am not offended by that XXIO…Hell, I am a little guy!) He had one rack of 48 clubs in a 10X10 booth at the Maimi PGA Show in 1978. I was across the ‘rug’ from him in a 60 foot running space booth. During those 4 days he had a constant stream of customers standing in line to purchase a rack of 48 Pittsburgh Persimmon metal woods. It was quite an eye opener.

      I also remember when Ely Callaway started with the Bobby Jones brand of irons, woods and putters all with steel rods inside the hickory wood shafts. It was more of gift and novelty type items.then the basis for mass production and big time sales….and then came along a club by Ely called…Big Bertha…which changed everything, of course.

      There are so many other stories like the above I could relate to you…

      It is fascinating to watch a small company ZOOM in 1 or 2 years and become a Monster with a Damn good idea…which is what I love about the golf biz…anyone can come with a very good idea and if the consumer buys into what you are trying to say and do….that person can become a Major golf company…virtually overnight…similar to the computer and website biz…on a smaller scale but a Major nonetheless!

      But, with all the love I smell on these threads for the smaller companies…there are some smaller companies that are just as unscrupulous as a Major (as you imply)….and sometimes more so!

      I worked for the Majors for the first 16 or 17 years I was in the golf biz…for every one person working at a Major that is, for lack of a better word, a JerkOff…there are 50 that truly care about the golf biz and the company they work for to truly help the golfing populace enjoy this wonderful game called………GOLF!

      Innovation is only limited to ones own imagination….there will be some extremely exciting product coming in the next few years…from both Majors and Minors!

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      STEVE ALMO

      13 years ago

      But, with all the love I smell on these threads for the smaller companies…there are some smaller companies that are just as unscrupulous as a Major (as you imply)….and sometimes more so! Steve Almo wrote….

      Sorry XXIO…(as you imply)……….I mean’t to say (as is implied)…NOT YOU….sorry!

      lee h

      13 years ago

      This reminds me of how so many in baseball were willing to look the otherv way during the steroids era. The numbers were great and everyone was making money, but ultimately the game suffered. Like baseball truly belongs to the fans-golf belongs to the people who play it. Anything that taints the golfers’ relationship to the game is bad for the game in the long run. Keep up the good work.

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      Ari

      13 years ago

      Personally, I think anybody’s opinion is going to be highly subjective and relate to their level of experience. We all started playing with the clubs that were handed to us and some never advance past this and couldn’t care less what Taylor or Callaway is putting out any given year, MUCH less whatever GD has to say about them. As we improve, so does our equipment and if sufficiently bitten will continue in this way until our techno-lust has turned into a definable obsession. This is where most of us now find ourselves after having run around the same track a few times and waking up to the “TRUTH” of the situation. We know that there is real innovation and advancement available for our next purchase – we’ve also been hoodwinked more than a couple of times by the Big Boys into paying for something that didn’t deliver.
      Is MyGolfSpy the answer for us? Looks good so far.

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      Cmoney

      13 years ago

      I have been pretty much saying this for years. Take a look at the Golf Digest Hot list the last 2 years or more. Callaway has had more than 8 pages of full page ads…Anyone wonder why 90-95% of their products all get GOLD MEDALS?

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      Kemper Holt

      13 years ago

      MGS, Thanks for the insightful series of articles. I’m surprised you haven’t reviewed anything from Wishon, SMT, or Geek as they are among the leaders in the smaller company golf equipment manufacturers?

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      STEVE ALMO

      13 years ago

      Kemper….I am in the process of designing 2 new Drivers…one due out in Sept. called the NO BRAINER that I will submit to MGS….I had to re-design with new tooling as I did not like the way the first model prototype came out.

      And then will submit the other Driver around Christmas to MGS for review on that….

      and love them or hate them…….I am actually quite excited by these 2 new Driver models. The 2nd one in particular …as it is so radical for a component head!

      OK….AD for Geek Drivers is over….LOL!

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      jim Sims

      13 years ago

      The model for unbiased reviews is Consumer Reports. They purchase the products reviewed on the open market. I do not always agree with their reviews but I use their reports in making purchases. Too bad you could not do a similar thing with golf equipment.

      I commend your approach. Keep up the good work.

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      GolfSpy T

      13 years ago

      Jim – We couldn’t agree more. Everything comes in baby steps, but that is certainly the way we’d like to be able to do it.

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      Bob mutterperl

      13 years ago

      Interesting read. What are the drivers,irons ,wedges etc you feel are good quality , high performers and not oem.
      Thanks
      Bob Mutterperl

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      STEVE ALMO

      13 years ago

      LOL! Lots of hate out there for the Majors! Like to know the ‘real’ reason for this 3-part article slamming them? Must go a lot deeper than your admitting to….JMO.

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      James W

      13 years ago

      What’s funny is that GolfWrx put a post up right after this series was started stating that their relationship with golf companies have no impact on how they are run and that they give discounts to smaller companies. No mention of the relationship with Golf Digest though.

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      The Real Easy-E

      13 years ago

      Golfwrx has become BSG on a much bigger scale. At least BSG was just a little shop in NV.

      GolfSpy T

      13 years ago

      Steve – I appreciate you weighing in on this series, although it’s a bit unfortunate that your takeaway seems to be that I’ve got an ax to grind with the big OEMs. As I said a few times throughout, there are some great people representing big OEMs and they do it with the highest level of professionalism. Most truly believe in their products and aren’t afraid of an unbiased (for the sake of semantics) let’s just say “unfiltered”, sugar-free review). Of course, what happens when we actually print what our testers tell us, or print something that paints an OEM with less than 100% positive light, well…that can be a crapshoot, and in my opinion it’s one of the few areas where there is real distinction between brands..

      I’m definitely not anti-big oem. A fair percentage of the clubs in my bag are from big OEMs. In my personal opinion, the best driver we’ve tested this season was from a BIG OEM. I don’t hate big golf companies, but I think golfers should understand that there are smaller companies producing equipment that is every bit as good or better. Unfortunately big golf and big media lead to big alliances that can shut the little guy out. How many companies the size of Geek Golf ever make the Hot List? Why do mid-tier OEMs with superior products always seem to end up with silver medals?

      You have suggested that much of what I’ve written in these 3 articles is obvious. Of course, what’s obvious to you with your years of industry experience may not be obvious to everyone else; especially when popular sites who advertise their unbiased content do nothing but pander to the big OEMs. If anything my gripes are with them. The big companies created a system, but that shouldn’t mean everyone should be so comfortable with it.

      I’m here to say that MyGolfSpy is different. We don’t and we won’t take big OEM dollars because we’ve seen how, without exception, it leads to the stifling of anything slightly subversive, and in the worst of cases; total and complete placation. There are a dozen other golf sites (some bigger and better than others) that all follow the same script with varying degrees of success. It’s great for them, but that’s not how we choose to do things.

      It’s not that we don’t like or don’t want anything to do with the big OEMs. We’ll continue to review their equipment, write features about them, and graciously accept whatever non-advertising support they remain willing to provide. That said, we want the little guys too. We review their products. We will take advertising from smaller companies, but we’ll never demand sponsorship dollars before we’ll do our part to help the little guy.

      The playing field isn’t level, and it probably never will be. At MyGolfSpy we do what we can to provide an arena where smaller companies can compete with the big boys on as level ground as we can provide.

      There’s no anti-anything agenda at play, but hopefully we can help a more informed golfer sift through the crap.

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      Ken Johnson

      13 years ago

      I like MGS. It’s really the only place I can go for accurate information about clubs. I like the Hot List just to see what’s out there, but I’ve always wondered about the reviews. I’ve even read a lot of the sites that have independent reviews (like the reviews on Amazon). Through reading those I’ve come to realize that 95% of all golfers want (need?) to rate what they just bought as the best you can buy.

      My favorite are the reviews that go like this, “After picking up my new XYZ irons after working late I only had a few minutes before the sun went down. Anxious to try them out I raced to the course where everyone knows me and went out to my favorite little 210 yard par 3. I pulled the 8 iron and on the very first swing hit it 2 feet from the hole. Since I got that hole out of the way I figured I had time for one more, so I went to the next hole and dropped the ball about 170 yards out. This time I pulled the pitching wedge and gave it my best shot. It was too dark to see where the ball went but when we got to the green, there it was, sitting less than 6 inches from the cup! Yes, these are the best irons ever!”

      Now, I love reviews like these for the inherent entertainment of them all. But, seriously, does anyone believe this crap? Case in point, a few months ago I bought a new set of Mizuno JPX 800 pros. I must admit I am extremely impressed with the build quality and the way they play. But, even at that, it took me more rounds than I thought it would to adjust to the distances on these things. I’m a 12 handicap so granted I am not where I want to be, yet. But, I’m still better than most.

      Bottom like, I like the way MGS tests and scores. And I believe more and more golfers will seek this type of information. With all the time and effort you put in here, I hope you are very successful.

      one last thought: as much as people want to give glowing reviews for their clubs, ever notice how eager they are to bash a golf course?

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      Xamilo

      13 years ago

      Exactly! People have played 3 holes with their new equipment and have to find a PC or write from their cell phones that their driver is the best driver they have ever hit!

      Even though, when you think about it, most of the time the statement is true, since you are supposedly acquiring new technology (I’m not saying everytime just most of the time). Now, if you compare it to all new releases, well, that is a different story…

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      Fred Brattain

      13 years ago

      I love GolfSpy. I just finished reading all the articles in this series. I am a graduate of The Professional Golfer’s Career College who went there to start the Foundation at the above website. The OEM’s are not the only ones who have a self-serving agenda. I would like to see GolfSpy do a series on how the PGA conducts business, and how it is promoting itself to the detriment of the people who play the game.
      Fred Brattain

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      wdgolf

      13 years ago

      The fact that you guys are pretty much the only site I could find that does a fair review of the “little guys” products is the reason I came to this site in the first place and continue checking in on a daily basis. I enjoy the big OEM review, but ever since switching my entire bag to clubs from one of the component manufacturers, I can safely say that not only do clubs crafted by the smaller companies match the quality of the big OEMs, they often exceed them.

      Keep up the good work MGS.

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      John Barry

      13 years ago

      Just read all 3 articles, and wanted to start the finial discussion on the last one. I have been a site and forum member since it starts (the forums) and used this sites reviews in many purchases in the past and will continue to.

      I have found the web folks here, The Spies, to be very honest and care a whole heck of a lot about golf, the business of golf, and the people who golf. The only bad thing about these articles is this is as far is it’s going to get out. Could you imagine Golf Digest running a story like this? The big OEMs will try and push this story to the back burner as fast as possible.

      Golf is a great game, and what works for one player, might not work for another, so clubs, balls, clothing, it’s all subjective. I urge you to get some unbiased reviews like here, and then go out and try the equipment for yourself! Get fitted, support that local PGA pro out there teaching and striving to improve and grow the game of golf.

      My father always said, make your own trends, do your own thing and you will always be your own person, not someone else!

      Reply

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