What Is Your Perception Of Wilson Golf?
News

What Is Your Perception Of Wilson Golf?

What Is Your Perception Of Wilson Golf?
STAY TUNDED! – Tomorrow see “spy pics” of the Wilson D100 Driver &  D100 Irons

Who Is Wilson Golf. . .Today?

Behind the scenes at MyGolfSpy we have a lot of long (very long) conversations and debates about the industry.  One of these days we just might have to create a show built around all the things that are said.  Think “Mike and Mike In The Morning” but much more…well…un-filtered.  The golf companies might not be too fond of the show…but I think readers would enjoy it.   It’s raw, opinionated, authentic, funny and honestly entertaining.  We talk about all kinds of things and you never know what will spark a debate.  One of the debates that has been discussed over the past couple years has to do with Wilson Golf and the perception consumers currently have of the brand.

You know, it’s unfortunate that a company who has succeeded for almost 100 years making golf equipment can’t still thrive off their past accomplishments.  It would be nice I guess…but unfortunately thats just not the way it is anymore.  We’ve become a society who only cares about one thing.  A thing Eddie Murphy so eloquently stated on stage some years ago…”what have you done for me lately?”  And since times have changed and this is how we now gauge the success of a product and the prosperity of a brand…many golfers are wondering the same thing when it comes to Wilson Golf.

Who is Wilson Golf today? And what have you done for me lately?

Wilson Golf’s – Big Problem

In my opinion Wilson Golf has a problem on their hands.  And that problem is directly related to their past (vs) present perception by the consumer.  They have one of the most historic brands in the industry.  But then again so did companies like MacGregor, Hogan, Nicklaus, Tommy Armour and Powerbilt…and unfortunately for many golfers we all know what has become of those once prominent names.  Which raises a couple questions instantly for me:  What are they going to do to change the current perception of the Wilson golf brand?  Are they trying to go away from their heritage with a new branding style or stick with what got them here?  Who/What Is Wilson Golf in 2012/2013?

What Is Consumers Perception Of Wilson Golf?

Now before I get to my opinion of the Wilson brand I thought it would be a good idea to ask our readers what their thoughts were.  So we went to Facebook and simply asked golfers:  When you think of Wilson Golf (currently…not their history) what do you think about? And here were some of their responses:


Perception (vs) Reality

I deal with golf companies everyday…and over time you get a sense of not only what the consumer thinks of a brand but sometimes more importantly what the actual company and its employees think of themselves.  Sometimes the comparison is one and the same…other times they couldn’t be further from one another.  And then every once in a while you’re simply left scratching your head, not knowing for sure if the company really knows who they are any more or even what they want to be moving forward.

And to be bluntly honest…for the past few years that’s how I have felt about the Wilson Golf brand.  Now this doesn’t mean that I don’t think they have a great group of talented men and women working for the company and ones capable of taking on the juggernauts of the industry.  Because I think they do.  But in my opinion if they want to take on the big guys relative to putting out product sought after by golfers of today there are more than a couple things that need to change.

Wilson Hires Ex-Adams Golf Designer For Change (Hopefully)

One of those changes in my opinion needs to be a complete overhaul and re-vamping of their product line & designs.  And I think at least in theory they have begun to address a portion of that issue by bringing in the ex-Director of Product Development at Adams Golf by the name of Michael Vrska.  He actually worked for Wilson between 1999-2002 before working at Adams.  So kind of a coming home party of sorts for Vrska.  I think he brings something to the table that they are currently lacking in their designs…and it is an intangible not many other designers have…creativity.  But, time will tell if this change can make a difference.  I just hope their open to change and don’t pigeon hole the creative process by being blinded with their past successes.

Who Does Wilson Want To Be?

Right now Wilson puts out some very under-rated players irons although the company is being branded and marketed as a hackers brand in many consumers eyes.  Well at least if you look at their ads.  And their ads while good, might be the wrong right message for the brand.  I’m not saying you can’t make a name for yourself in that category, but I and many others would agree that they need to go back to being known for what they were always known for…and then you can start to focus on the other sectors.  With a more complete players (lower handicap) line-up which would include a competitive driver design, more marketable wedge line, putters golfers want to bag again, some more visible technology and aesthetic curb appeal they can once again become a brand golfers are proud to say they have in their bags.

Right now they just seem to be a brand “Lost In Translation”, their here, there, kind of everywhere.  The first thing I think this brand needs to do is decide who they are and what they want to be…then build around that vision.  They already have what so many others could only wish for…and that’s the name, the designs, the history & the wins.  So my advice to them would be put simply, “Be the same, but be different.”  It will definitely be interesting to see what happens with the brand over the next couple years.

Your Opinion About Wilson?

We could go on for hours about all the things we think Wilson Golf could be doing to get back to the top but I want to hear what you have to say.  Wilson Golf is an iconic brand, with tons of loyal followers from past generations.  But today’s generation of golfers I think have a much different opinion…so let’s hear from both.  Let us know.

  • What is your current perception of the Wilson golf brand?
  • What do you think they should be doing to get back to the top?
  • Should they go away from their heritage with a new branding style or stick with what got them here?

For You

For You

Golf Wedges
Apr 16, 2024
Vokey WedgeWorks Low Bounce K Grind Wedge
News
Apr 16, 2024
It Was A Masters To Forget For LIV Golf
Golf Apparel
Apr 16, 2024
adidas Pioneers Next Generation of Lightweight Golf Garments
MyGolfSpy

MyGolfSpy

MyGolfSpy

Our mission is #ConsumerFirst. We are here to help educate and empower golfers. We want you to get the most out of your money, time and performance. That means providing you with equipment reviews you can trust, as well as honest reporting on the latest issues affecting the game today. #PowerToThePlayer

MyGolfSpy

MyGolfSpy

MyGolfSpy

MyGolfSpy

MyGolfSpy

MyGolfSpy

Driver Ping G30 Hybrids PXG 0317
3/4 IRON PXG 0311XF 5-GW Srixon Z 565
SW PXG 0317 LW PXG 0311
Putter EVNROLL  
MyGolfSpy

MyGolfSpy

MyGolfSpy





    This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

      cadmodel64

      10 years ago

      RP Jacobs is simply put, everything that is wrong with people in this country.
      When you claim your
      IQ is above average, u simply show us your insecurity about the fact that you really know u are lacking as a person.

      So so sad and embarrassing to the rest of us who actually matured along the way.

      Reply

      Nathan

      11 years ago

      Wilson is still a fine golf manufacturer, they still have somewhat of a Dads golf club image in this day of sexy clubs and flashy attire. For a true golf purest Wilson Staff Irons and putters (8802) are the M-1’s of the all golf clubs, there is no better feeling than a solid hit W/S 5 iron.
      I got away from playing my Wilson irons some years back but I kept my Blades and I have recently started playing them again and its like playing with your old baseball glove.
      I believe Wilson can get back to the top with a focus on club design and aggressive sales and marketing.

      Reply

      RAT

      11 years ago

      Still waiting on more info that was promised to be let loose in January 2013!
      I thought there would be a few more PRO’s added to the list-not happened.
      The demo days has just been listed with only Florida showing. What a shame it doesn’t include a full list. Somebody whiffed….

      Reply

      joro

      11 years ago

      Rat, I agree. When I met with the area, Californis, Oregon, and Arizona I believe, which is way over for one guy to handle, and his boss, the National rep. they said the 13 product would be out in Jan, Feb Nationwide and hopefully by Dec. in the West. NOTHING!!!

      I have had nothing but Wilson clubs, balls, gloves, in my Staff Bag for over 2 yrs. and nothing in the way of marketing has improved one iota. It is very frustrating to try to sell the clubs when the marketing Dept is doing nothing. But the product is great, just can’t find it.

      I emailed the rep and asked with tongue in cheek if they were still in business cause I have heard nothing. Haven’t got a reply. One day in a bit of interest I ordered a TM Rocket ballz TS 3 wood, got it the next day. HUH? I was supposed to get the new DS Woods from Wilson first thing when they came available,,,, so far not a peep. So ???????

      Having been in the business as a Pro Player, Head Pro, Manufacturer, and now a repairman, I have never seen marketing ike this, or I should say non marketing. It is just a matter of time in my opinion before they are gone again.

      Let me say this though. They do make great stuff, it is quality and well made, the trouble is when and where. The area rep is a nice guy, but just too overworked, he has way to much area for one man to cover effectively. I just think the whole thing is run by people with no clue, and it is terrible that a good product has no backing.

      I do hope the stay alive, I hope they get in some people and money who know what they are doing, but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      Reply

      Steve

      11 years ago

      I got custom fitted at a demo day for W/S gear in May 2012.
      Set of graphite D-11 irons (5-GW), and a 12 degree DXI Superlite driver.
      They gave me a Fybrid RS 24degree hybrid (custom-fitted also) as a present!
      It’s worth 150 Euros in Europe!
      I’m waiting to be able to buy a D100 3-wood.
      My perception? Excellent equipment, at least 100 Euros cheaper than everybody else,
      and custom-fitted. When I look at the ridiculously high prices charged by the competition, for more or less the same performance, the W/S gear was the obvious choice for me.
      People have a grudge against Wilson, I don’t understand why.
      That Superlite driver has really reconciled me with driving.

      Reply

      RAT

      12 years ago

      The Big question—— will Wilson have a lot more demo days AND NOT JUST AROUND A FEW DICK’S SPORTING GOODS IN FL.or ILL.?

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      They said they are working on that. I think they have to get more reps though. That is another thing on the list.

      Reply

      RAT

      12 years ago

      joro, great post , which Driver did you try?

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      Hi Rat, It is the new D100 superdooperlite. The face is deeper than the last Dr. which is good, the shape is really good looking with the all Black finish. The shaft is an all White 45, I think, gram. Ozik with a 25 gr. grip. I hit a couple of times and stole it, :O). I also got the 19 Degree Hybrid which is very solid. The new woods are really good.

      One of our staff was hitting the 3 Wood and loving it. I am a lefty and the Dr. and Hybrid are the only ones I hit, but they are both in me Staff Bag now, along with the Ci11 Irons. Trust me, the new stuff is the best yet. Particularly the Woods,,,, Big change and the Hybrids which have been good are now better. I am looking forward to getting the D100 3 wood, and a couple more Hybrids.

      There was also a guy hitting balls on the range that came over and hit the new D100 Irons and loved em. He is talking about replacing his present Pings. I know that is more than you asked but this new stuff is really good.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Joro, great post! It’s nice to have some current, actual feedback. You can only go on what you were told, however lets hope that they follow through! Staff is a hell of a legacy to let willow & die, or worse, be relegated to the big boxes & bargain bins.

      Thanx for the post

      Fairways & Greens 4ever

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      There was a bit more but it was getting to be a long post. They also talked about being in Edwin Watts and a couple of other discount stores and increasing the production, hiring more people, and so on. I think the new big guy wants to get it going to its potential.

      The new stuff is good, the woods great, and the D100 irons good also.

      Joro

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      I have been a Wilson guy for a couple of years now and love the Irons, but have the same reservations as most of you about the “Woods” and marketing. Delivery has been slow and the Company just seems not with it. In general they had a great name in Golf and went into the toilet, and now they are coming back, in a big way.

      Yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting with our area rep. in S. Calif. AND HIS BOSS, the big mucky muck. I asked some pretty hard questions and got answers. They are on the move to get back to the top. They have had a few problems with suppliers, enough people to do the job, not great management, and other problems.

      They brought in Micheal Vska, the genius behind the rise of Adams Golf, they have a new President from Palmolive who is good, and are owned by Amer, a Finnish outfit that is the biggest Sporting goods group in the World. I hope I got that all correct.

      First of all they are kicking up their advertisements, trying to get more top name players, and if you notice doing a lot on the Euro Tour and going to expand into more events in America which may take time because most contracts are set. They also plan on more reps.

      Next the product. As we all know the Irons are great, really great and as a club guy I work on clubs all the time and the Wilson Irons are top drawer. As a Staff guy I started with the Ci 7s, then to the 62 blades, and now I have a set of the new V2s and a set of Ci11s which are both great. But the new D100 “Woods and Hybrids” are FANTASTIC. The Driver is every good as the std. for the industry, the R11, or the RBZ, this baby is long and straight. The Fairway woods are really good, and the new Hybrids are amazing. They have hit the nail on the head with the D100.

      I managed to talk them out of a Driver and a 19 degree Hybrid and they are in the bag and my Super Fast is out. Yesterday I played 9 holes in the afternoon and hit it every bit as good as the TM Driver. A claim they made at the meeting. One of the other Pros hit the fairway woods and said the TM RBZ are coming out of his bag. Believe me, you have to hit them.

      All in all I was very impressed with what they are doing and it does take time, but they seem to be headed in the right direction, and I can hardly wait to get the rest of the woods and hybrids in my bag. Oh, and a guy showed up while we were on the range and wanted me to put the head back on his Taylor Made R7 Iron which flew off, a very common thin with TM, and while i was doing that he hit the new Iron and loved it. It is a great looking and feeling Iron.

      I am happy to see the old coming back. Any specifics? just ask away. I will be happy to answer what I can.

      [email protected]

      Reply

      Patrick Copley

      12 years ago

      Wilson are so underrated!

      Fantastic irons, but do need to work on their woods and putters… or just completey focus on their irons – their choice.

      They need more top tour players than just Paddy, Ricky, Streels, and Paul to promote their products.

      Reply

      RAT

      12 years ago

      Sorry bout the wrong name RP( Richard).My name is also Richard.
      Just got caught up in what you’d written.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Not at all, lol..I’ve been called much worse..lol. My friends call me Richard and my user name Is RP, though my dad used to call me RP when he was pissed at me..lol

      Have a good week end

      Fairways & Greens 4ever

      Reply

      RAT

      12 years ago

      You gave me goose bumps Fairways and you are dead right!!!
      It’s time the Wilson Staff gets back on top.But it takes management to take some risk and get a great team formed and pay them for what they accomplish or sort of like horse racing- win, place or show. The product R&D has got to take the lead and quickly..
      I have 2 sets of the irons . The Fg V2 nothing else can touch them and the Di11’s

      Wilson Staff should mean PLAYER .

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Thanx RAT. You can call me Richard. I just use the “Fairways & Greens 4ever” as a salutory ending. Anyway, there are a few excellent Wilson threads back in the forum. You should join in, I really think that you’d enjoy ’em. There are a lot of other great threads too.

      The V2s are a great iron, and the D11s got excellent reviews, especially in the Euro golf mags.

      The Best the rest of the season

      Fairways & Greens 4ever

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Well, it’s time for a history lesson, though considering that 38% of the 25yo’s polled(2500 sample size) don’t know who our first president was, this may well be for nought, however I’m working under the assumption that MGS’s readers are of a higher intelectual caliber..lol..For those younger golfers or those who have picked the game up from the early 90s on and are not familiar with the Staff brand, maybe this will give you an idea of the rich heritage of Wilson, & specifically Staff, have in the golf world.

      We’ve been throwing around iron numbers such as Fg17, Fg59, Fg62 and the Tour V & V2s and talkng about major victories(62) and how great the Staff brand was, though the brand that is Staff is much more than 62 major victories, which is pretty amazing in & of itself and most likely will never be broken..

      Wilson was founded in1914 and in 1922 the Wilson Staff Advisory staff was started with the signing of pro golfer Gene Sarazan. Unlike today’s OEM staffers, most of whom know little more about the company whos clubs they play other than the name of those clubs & they contribute little or no input into the clubs’ designs, Sarazan developed the modern sand wedge, which was released by Wilson one later as the 99 Sand Iron, which eventually became the R-90 Sand Wedge, which is the most copied wedge design in golf history.

      Over the decades the Wilson Golf Advisory Staff has included Sam Snead, Walter Hagen, Arnold Palmer, Cary Middlecoff, Billy Casper, Julius Boros, Hale Irwin, Nick Faldo, Johnny Miller, Bernhard Langer, Vijay Singh, Payne Stewart and more recently Paddy Harrington, Ricky Barnes & Kevin Streelman. Every lady member of the Staff is a hall-of-famer: Patty Berg, Babe Zaharias, Mickey Wright & Kathy Whitworth.

      The Staff brand came into it’s own in 1954 with the introduction of the Staff Ball, which took the tour by storm, being in the ball of choice for 10 of the next 12 major winners over the next three years. The Dyna-Power Irons were introduced in 1956 and were know simply as “Staff Blades” and they dominated the pro game through the 60s & 70s until the introduction of the most copied & iconic iron of all time, the Fg17, which were referred to as simply the “Tour Blades,” which was stamped on the face-back. It should also be noted that Hogan patterned his Personal Irons after the Dyna-Power Irons, just putting his own grind & offset on them. Regarding the Fg17s, they became the gold standard for a muscle-back blade, and Mizzy went over them with a fine toothed comb prior to releasing the TP-9 blade in the mid-80s.

      So, along with having set the gold standard for wedges(which were found in tour bags well into the 90s), balls and irons, Wilson also introduced the most copied heel-shafted blade putter of all time, the 8802(Think Odyssey Tour Black #8 & Scotty Napa). As an aside, the man responsible for all of these designs was Bob Mendrella, who started out at Wilson as a custodian! Only in America..lol..

      So there you have it. A capsule of the heritage that is Staff. It is long. It is storied. And it cannot be bought or created by some marketing or PR hack. It was earned. Can Wilson live off of it today? Absolutely not. But should they throw it away & not utilize it? Absolutely not.

      They are where they are today as a direct result of what they’ve achieved over 90+ years. They’ve been to the mountain top. And they dominated for a long time when they got there. There are no other OEMs that have this rich history. It’s time that Wilson properly utilize the Staff heritage in reestablishing the brand.

      Seriously.

      Fairways & Greens 4ever

      Reply

      Mike H.

      12 years ago

      To me the name & brand is … nonexistent. And the logo is terrible. It reminds me of a Walmart type brand. The only product I’ve ever seen on the course are the Fat Shafts. And that was 12 years ago.

      Reply

      DG

      12 years ago

      First off, look at all the comments, this issue has traction. Wilson Staff has some meaning to the golfing community. But I feel, as with some, that meaning and the definition of Wilson Staff / Wilson Golf is one rooted in the past. The company needs to make very clear strides toward rooting the name in the present, and build expectations, so that future product is anticipated and looked forward to by golfers, well serious golfers.

      They need to get their stuff out of Sam’s Club, Walmart, etc. It may hurt, but they need to make it exclusive, somewhat like PING has done. Great, you can make a $9.99 dozen Wilson Staff 50 Elites. Don’t. Golfer’s question why it’s so cheap…”must play cheap”. A $29.99 Wilson Wedge? Why?, when name brand wedges from every other brand is $99.99 & UP. Then there’s this staff wedge FG Tour, “oh it’s $100 clams,” but I can get a wilson for $29.99. This is too confusing, it doesn’t sound so, but look at the facts.

      Take their name off boxed sets. Period. The end. Serious golfers don’t buy it, even broke golfers avoid the stuff and buy good used items. Wilson shouldn’t be the name people think of when they think “hey I’m a hack, just get a wilson set at Walmart”

      I could go on, but I think Wilson Staff is good stuff. I’d like to see it make a great turn around.

      Reply

      RAT

      12 years ago

      Good points DG, I agree!

      Reply

      RAT

      12 years ago

      In our small Tennessee town and area we have 2 Nicklaus designed courses, 1 Freddie Couples,1 that is owned and operated by a PGA pro and sons which also were Head greens keepers at Pinehurst, 1 very nice State course,now with all that said none have Wilson Staff presently . This would be a great place to start a DEMO days…There is a PGA instructor here (Gene Howard) that was BOO’s coach and is currently working with Rory Sabbatini ( unsure about the spelling) and he pushes Wilson Staff and a few have listened.. I have sold a few sets to some guys that I played with. These people really like the clubs but needed a push(DEMO DAYS) Hardin County Tenn.

      Reply

      RAT

      12 years ago

      A problem with Sales is reps pay!!! Wilson won’t pay them enough !!! I live approx. a mile from a local golf shop and he won’t stock Wilson and runs them down every chance he gets.Now with operators like that it’s no wonder the sales is lacking.The shop owner wants a little TLC i believe and concern yet no rep has been to see him.To be fair he says other reps are almost missing in action..The phone is great but pressing the flesh does wonders too.This shop is approx. 60 to 70 miles from the Wilson R&D headquarters what would hurt to see the guy and I think there is a good chance of some sales.He told me that he had sold $50,000 of Callaway equipment ,ain’t small potatoes! I bet he does an even larger amount with Taylor Made ..There is a shop about 15 miles from the R&D center and they just barely have Wilson equipment and I mean barely!! I would be heck if I ‘d let the competition be at my back door taking me to the wood shed in display and deals!!!

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      Rat, you are right, the rep in S. Calif. is always running all over the State and with only one guy that is a lot of work. Not his fault, but they need more reps and more exposure. The stuff if good, but with no exposure the biggees are where the customers go.

      I teach and try to get students into the clubs but they all want the “name brands”. That is a big price for marketing, but they have to do more. I would love to see them make it but it takes more.

      Take care

      Joro

      I will leave no stone unturned if and when I meet with the rep and the “Big shot” whoever he is. I am sold on the clubs,,, but they have to get in there and dig.

      Reply

      RAT

      12 years ago

      JORO , “THE NEW WOOD GUY ” is the old wood guy who came from Wilson to Adams and is now back home at Wilson ! I too play the Fybrid 19.5 in place of my 3 wood and I love it..
      WilsonStaff was a brand that everyone wanted to play and now is wanting to come back.The problem is cash , they must turn loose of it to get better players.Paddy gets approx.2-3 million a year and wants another million to play the Wilson driver. Paddy needs to pick up the load and get back to carrying it as he once did or cut his pay!! Future offerings , the new wedges will impress you.!The new year shaft offerings are also great.I want to see more demo days other than a few select places . I’m not sure that Dick’s is all that great .The staff that I have encountered has very little knowledge of the product and does not seem too interested in your needs. A good salesperson must believe in the product to sell it..Dick’s will also put things on sale much to quickly so one needs only to wait .This seems to cheapen the product too soon. There are other things like golf balls that are hard to find of Wilson’s and I play them. They are right there with the guys I play with who use the pro-V . Callway tour and TM balls.I will tell you the FG tour is better than Pro V in the cooler weather , I have yet to play the harder Fg tour ball.Caps are difficult to find . TO BE KNOWN YOU MUST BE SEEN!!!

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      Rat, good post.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Joro, excellent comments & great post. I hope ya get to speak to someone above the rep’s level because what you speak if is the basic bar that it takes to be competitive in this market. Let us know how your meeting goes either here or stop back in the forum and jump in the Wilson thread.

      The Best to Ya

      Fairways & Greens 4ever

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      Thx RP, I am looking forward to it and will post what goes on. I will for sure ask about why the Tour all play Taylor Made Woods. And other things, including why they only have 1 area rep for all of Calif. and Ariz. Seriously????

      Take Care

      Joro

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      There are lots of great comments here by some good people. THe majority are by people like myself who played Wilson for years before they sold out and the new owners put them on the back burner. For years they sat in stores like Walmart, Kmart, and on and on, cheap clubs.

      They are coming back!!! But as noted by many the “Woods” and not having a good marketing crew are cursing them. I do hope they get it one of these days. The talk is about limited money,,,, well they seem to have enough to pay some pretty good money for a Tour Staff and to be a big sponsor of the Euro Tour. They are really just getting started over here. But, are they doing it right.

      Again, it is obvious these people like the brand, other than the no nonsense Ping arguments going on lets get back to Wilson. I got the Ci7s after reading the test in Golf Magazine and found them to be great and have gone on to play the 62s, which are great, and now the Tour V2s which are beautiful and really easy to hit for a Tour club, and they are in all the staff bags. Again as noted, and we all agree, the Woods are not up to par. They have a new Wood guy that came from Adams, but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      I get a call yesterday from our area rep. that one of the top dogs is going to be around and he wants to meet the first part of Oct. to chat and show me the new line, especially the new Woods, which he said are great. I am looking forward to that meet.

      Also, service is really sssssllllllloooooowwwwww, it takes a long time to get anything from them, yet I ordered a left handed RBZ 3 wood and had it the next day. Why does it take 6 weeks? This is the stuff they have to do, no question if they want a spot in the big picture. I really like the product, the Irons are a good as any, the woods aren’t that bad, but they have to make Woods the tour guys play, that is big. And last marketing and product availability.

      I

      Reply

      John22615

      12 years ago

      There have been many perceptive posts on this blog concerning Wilson and its current marketing strategy as it pertains to the future viability of the company. If Wilson is to survive, and not go the way of MacGregor, Ram, Spalding, Orlimar and others, perhaps it should pick and choose from those comments that most accurately address the current situation and the perception of the more active portion of the golf community. If they won’t look at what made Titleist, Mizuno, etc successful, they should at least listen to those most likely to spend on new equipment as to what would help increase demand for their products (existing or proposed).
      I have played Hogans, Mizunos and most recently Titleist blades in the last 15 years, but did play both Wilsons and MacGregors in the 60’s through the 80’s. I would look at Wilson blades if they offered the same level of customization as Mizunos, Titleists and Muiras. A couple of years ago I asked Wilson if I could get KBS or Precision shafts in their FG59 blades and the swing weights modified accordingly, and was told that only TT Dynamic Gold was offered. Bad answer. That ended my look at Wilson and I again bought a set of Titleist blades with Rifle shafts in them. If I can’t get the clubs with the right shaft and the correct swing weight that I want from a manufacturer, I will buy elsewhere. At the moment, if I were in the market for new irons, I would only look at Titleist, Mizuno and Muira. Callaway and TaylorMade make good products, but they don’t fit my eye like the others, and their custom departments are mainly for the tour pros. Wilson’s FG 62’s would fall into the Titleist, etc group if they offered the customization that the others do.

      Reply

      Ron Karns

      12 years ago

      Wilson Staff makes great stuff! I grew up playing them, and still play them…I love my Ci9’s. I’m not going to pretend to know how they, and the consuming buyers, turned their Wilson (starter-recreational) and Staff (experienced-serious-avid) distinction into a liability rather than a strength!
      They clearly need some marketing/sales help and personnel. I live in the San Jose/San Francisco Bay area, and you just don’t see the Staff stuff anywhere! I don’t know what they require for “buy in” from a retailer, but it’s got to change. No demo day presence either!
      I was trying to find the FG Tour ball to try, and corresponded with the West Coast sales rep as I was on a short timetable, and his suggestion was that any retailer could order them for me, and to be most efficient I should order a unit for shipping convenience. OK, you’ve got a fan wanting to try your balls quickly and you suggest he spend $300 to do so instead of just sending him a couple of sleeves….seriously?
      They’ve got to get the Wilson Staff line out there so folks can try it, and I know they’ll like it.
      Perspective, knowledge of history, and tradition aren’t sexy these days, but they need to figure out a way to leverage those things with their broad sports expertise, and position themselves to “take care” of folks’ entire “cradle to grave” golf career to reclaim their position as a leader.
      Reading the comments, maybe they should start an ambassador program of some kind to leverage the grass roots support for Wilson Staff they obviously still have some of out here!

      Submitted with True Gravity!

      Reply

      Paul Markowski

      12 years ago

      The idea of markrting their clubs as made in the USA holds some merit. We are talking about a marketing plan and the time is right. Today more products are coming back to the USAthen ever. The high cost of freight and the over all cost stricture is changing in Asia.One report mentioned that with the increases inproductivity experienced in the US along with the increase in Asia by 2015 North America will be competative. Why else would the Chinese be looking at moving auto plants to Brazil.Why noy have Wilson start to bring back their manufacturing back. I also agree that using staff alone may be a better aproach allowing them to use Wilson for the low end clubs.

      Reply

      Angga

      12 years ago

      Wilson need to FOCUS on what they want to own. i think they need to really promote their Fybrids. their fybrid line is great, but not any advertisement from them. they need to be like adams, advertise no.1 hybrid on tour. because the fybrid is better than adams hybrid in my opinion.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      I gotta agree. I’ve got, I think that it’s an ’09-10 19.5* Fybrid, and nomatter what club I put in the bag, I always come back to the Fybrid. Great stick!.

      Fairways & Greens 4ever

      Reply

      Daniel Stone

      12 years ago

      Hi.

      Lot’s of interesting comments about Wilson. Yes they are missing the mark by a country mile.
      However even by Golfspys standards you rated the FG Tour V2’S VERY HIGHLY.
      Could could improved here in Thailand. They are now non existent. A crappy slot in one of the
      department stores selling clubs that are way out od date. They never once showed the FG Tour V2’s.

      I sent them an email about this and where could I try them. Also did they make them in Graphite, as only see them available in Steel Shafts. 4 MONTHS LATER NOT EVEN A REPLY. Yet they have the Wilson Tennis gear in every sports store. Something wrong somewhere ?????/.

      Shame we also are missing out on the Adams brand here in Thailand. This is a mecca for golf here in Asia. We have some stunning championship golf courses. Therefore some of the golf manufacturers need to look closly at the market here. Any American who has played here before will know what I’m talking about.

      I would love to here what Padraig Harrington’s views on the Wilson product is ????.

      Rgds,

      Daniel Stone.

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      Daniel, they do not offer Graphite but you can use and install your own. I use the Excalliber tip weighted Graphite from Golfworks. Because these shafts are heavier at the bottom you will not lose any swingweight. They are great shafts at a reasonable price and available in Taper Tip, which you will need. You might go back into the past and read the feature on Excalliber shafts in MyGolfSpy a couple of months ago. It is a great, quality shaft.

      Reply

      walter pitts

      12 years ago

      so — I come lately but have been thinking about this situation for several years — I once had several hundred staff clubs from the 60s and 70s — I collected them for 4 or 5 years — took up too much room but I still have lots of wedges and 2 irons and a few 1 irons — God what an animal — I keep hoping Wilson will find a way out of oblivion — you would think the success of Padraig would have been a big plus – I think they have made some great golf balls over the last decade that were never really marketed very well — they became cheapo’s and never got out of the low priced aura — as for the clubs — it might be time to downsize and develop a specialty line just for the pros — I think they are doing that now with the FG 62 series — the old blades were the best of their era and were played by virtually everyone on tour and in the clubs until the Hogans started to gain ground — I bet they have the where-with-all to really put out a tour type iron and reclaim some heritage points — some of the small shop irons are very similar to the Wilson of the 70s — I also think they could really develop a great competitive top line ball and stick with it — — – they could gain a lot of recognition starting there — if they build it pros will come — as for drivers and such — R&D is needed to reclaim a spot in the race — over the last decade or so they have built some nice stuff but — the good stuff wasn’t always marketed at the shop level and consumer level to pass mustard — IMO there is also room for another Wedge to rise to the top 3 — with the new grooves stuff coming on strong over the next few years Wilson could reclaim a piece of the action with a full line to compete with the Vokey’s — the FG Tour line might be able to do that if there is enough support, visibility and availability — Many of their old sand wedges still play great — their pitching wedges was IMO the best made in the 60 -70- 80s era — — get some stronger players on board — the future in golf is just coming on — their is a whole set of future legends playing the developmental tours – last I would try to find away to seperate the topline stuff from the rest of their stuff — drop the FG and just call it — Staff — market the heritage — quaility and beauty

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      You have a very good point Walter. The 62s were a good one and the V2s even better. The majority of Tour Players are playing with them. They are stupid easy to hit, feel great, and go high and long. The biggest problem I see is the “Woods”. I have them and prefer as the Tour Pros do to playing with Taylor Made woods which are used by the entire Tour Staff. They have to get going in that direction. And last is to bring back the Red/Blk shield logo from the past rather than all Black. I as a Staff Player have brought that up many times,,, to no avail. The Red/Black shield is WILSON STAFF!

      Reply

      Craig

      12 years ago

      I have a beautiful set of Limited Edition Wilson FG-59’s. Fabulous clubs. I also am using 3 Wilson Fybrids these days. They may be a blast from the past, but they’re still making great clubs, IMO.

      Reply

      JesseV

      12 years ago

      Facebook? Really? You went to facebook to poll how folks feel about Wilson Golf?

      What you need to do is find those that have played vintage Wilson golf gear and find out what they think.

      I am one and I know that Wilson vintage blades are some of the best irons ever made, still findable, playable and a pure joy to hit every day!

      Of course Wilson doesn’t appeal to the bomb and gouge crowd. If they aren’t hitting frying pans or shovels off the end of a stick and claiming 500 yard shots with a PW they aren’t happy. Of course what they won’t mention is that they hit that 5000 yard drive with that grotesque frying pan hanging off the end of a stick 10000 yards O.B. Never mind, its just a mulligan and another drive and they will claim to shoot 59.

      Learn to play with real golf clubs, vintage blades and persimmon woods. Learn to play golf how it is supposed to be played.

      Reply

      Ron

      12 years ago

      RP Your right I really shouldnt let things like that get to me but when I share my knowledge with someone and they turn around and tell me something on here like prove it or get off this thread, THAT JUST BURNS ME UP INSIDE LOL. Anyway good luck man.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      I know Dude, sometimes these threads get a little crazy…a lot of opinions passed off as fact..lol…

      Keep the faith Bro…

      And keep ’em in the short hair….

      The Best to ya……

      Fairways & Greena 4ever…..

      Reply

      Ron

      12 years ago

      K Flare I never heard any rumors abt lee westwoods being forged someone might of accidently got mixed up but Lee Westwoods i10 were nickel headed and now his i20s are all nickel , as a matter of fact that guy at ping told my pro that they put some kind of finish on the s56 and i20s to make it look identical to the retail and he saw an old s56 set of Oosthuizens at the plant and saw alot of the rust in the corners of his Ni headed 56s he used to play. They also mentioned that they made a little mark on the i5 tour heads to distinguish them that those were the nickel headed ones. However the anser wedges are the same heads tour and retail.

      Reply

      Tom C

      12 years ago

      The company needs to delineate Wilson from Wilson Staff. Wilson equals K-Mart/Wal-Mart. Wilson Staff equals higher end, better quality and underrated products.

      I resent the idea of tee up money and seeing players with X brand head cover or logo’d shirt play Y brand because money dictates otherwise.

      Reply

      Paul

      12 years ago

      I play the the D-Fy hybrid combo set with the half graphite/steel (brilliant idea BTW ) and absolutely love them. 8 hc 65 and have played Titleist-Mizuno-Cobra to me their is no comparison. Forget about the price point these sticks are high performers. Don’t let your ego get in the way and for those that have never hit Wilson clubs well………ST_ _…….nvm!!!!!!!

      Reply

      The Muni Golfer

      12 years ago

      I think Wilson’s biggest problem is its tour presence, which it all but eliminated around 2000. Unfortunately, Harrington, Streelman and Barnes are not enough. People complain that they sell in KMart. Well, I’ve seen Callaway products in Walmart, but no one ever brings that up because we see their products in the bags of the top pros every week on tour. If Vijay Singh was still a Wilson Staff member, as he was when he won the 1998, along with other pros, I bet people would look at Wilson differently. I used to play exclusively TaylorMade, but I now have a Wilson Staff Smooth Driver and Ci7 irons in my bag. I also played a Wilson Staff ball for a while. It is good equipment; as good as the TaylorMade and other brands I’ve played. Another problem with Wilson Staff is it is so hard to find. They need to get more of it into places like Golf Galaxy and Dicks, where consumers can see it and demo it!

      Reply

      A

      12 years ago

      Never played their clubs, but have been playing their FG 25 tour balls for the last 2 years and I absolutely love ’em!

      Reply

      John

      12 years ago

      They need to return to their roots of offering top quality “player’s” clubs utilizing staff players that lend credibility to the brand so that their lessor offerings will sell. They have Paul Lawrie, Harrington, Barnes, etc (all excellent players) not playing their top offering and pushing game improvement clubs. Wilson’s reputation was made on the great clubs that they manufactured through the 80’s that were played by the games greats such as Palmer, Snead, etc. The FG62 is an excellent offering, but it is their only “reputational” offering, and has limited shaft options, etc. In graduate school, Wilson would be a perfect case study on how to squander a reputation, and the profitability of a successful firm through the search for increased market share by going sway from the core of their business model.

      Regardless of the volume of the top end, you need that bracket to establish and market the quality of your lessor offerings that may, in the end, bring you the required margins and profitability you need to survive and prosper. Reputations are created and maintained at the top end of the spectrum with “player’s” clubs, not the mass market end. That is not to say that the mass market end is not profitable or necessary to the maximazation of profit, but those historically who did not utilize a balanced approach, and left the top end in favor of the mass market such as Olimar did not survive. Orlimar, for those not familiar wit the brand, was a small, custom manufacturer who created and sold from the 60’s to the mid 90’s the best persimmon woods and a great blade from 1983 through1998. Wilson needs to look closely at its competitors, and take a page from the Titleist, Mizuno, etc playbooks. You can survive and do exceptionally well solely at the top end like Titleist, or be more balanced like TaylorMade and Callaway. But none that I know of survive soley as a botttom feeder.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      John, GREAT stuff!!….I in fact, used Wilson & specifically Staff in a graduate school case study…Their Sr. VP of Marketing actually sat in via video cam on the presentations…The common theme through out the cases was FOCUS(or lack of & trying to be all things to all people)…

      Anyway, great post….

      Fairways & Greens 4ever….

      Reply

      John22615

      12 years ago

      Thanks. It is a sad commentary that the great names in the history of the game (MacGregor, Wilson, Ben Hogan, Spalding, etc) are no more, or are just a shell of their former selves. Poor management caused all to fail. It is easier to lose your reputation than to gain it back after squandering it.

      It must have been eye-opening for the VP of Marketing at Wilson to listen to your presentation, But, obviously, he learned nothing! They, like TaylorMade, have so many offerings with similar names and looks that it is difficult for the average consumer to differentiate between the good, the bad and the just ugly.

      John22615

      12 years ago

      I meant that Callaway, like TaylorMade, had so many similar offerings, not Wilson which has few and mostly marginal ones. The FG62″s are great, but the rest of the line and esdpecially their drivers are awful. Not even the pros paid to play Wilson will play their woods. That should tell Wilson what they need to hear, if only they would listen.

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Actually, it was my class that presented their cases and to a team, they spoke of focus & differenctiation as a way for Staff(sperate from the parent company, Wilson) to regain a foothold in the marketplace. Though I’ve been bangin on how great the Tour Blades(FG62) are, in reality, the players that would bag them is extremely small, so they shouldn’t really be the focal point of an advertising campaign.

      The Tour V2s, in combination with the C11s & D11s could be the focus of such a campaign. And I’d get rid of “That Guy” that whole campaign. They might be cute adds & people may enjoy watching them, however the key question that ad agencies & Sr. execs fail to objectively answer is: Does the ad improve sales? And the answer to that question is no, according to Wilson’s sales figures.

      So many times agencies fall in love with their own work, as do the execs, then they show a “focus” group the ad & give it undo influence when judging the quality of the ad. I have found through 23 years that focus groups tell you much more about group dynamics than they do about marketplace dynamics. I place very little validity in controlled focus group findings. In fact, I don’t use them. Period.

      Anyway, Wilson has to decide what they want to be and who they want to be that to. Then they’ve got to go to work.

      Great posts John

      Fairways & Greens 4ever

      Tim

      12 years ago

      “Wilson Golf” which you can find in the asiles of Walmart, etc is for beginners and is junk. “Wilson Staff” are for the aspiring players that visit this site for example. As far as there current line-up: Woods = Fair, Hybrids = Very Good, Irons = Very Good, Wedges = Good, Putters = Fair, Balls = Good. They just don’t have the $ for R&D, Marketing, etc that the big boys have. I game the W/S Ci9’s and wedges and for the money, they are an excellent value. Now if they can just put out a driver that the staff players wil play…

      Reply

      Scotty

      12 years ago

      The FG Tour V2’s are great feeling and looking clubs. My dad gave me Wilson X31 irons from many years ago to start playing and they are absolute junk. Wilson has upped their game so I have upped my opinion of them. I’m a scratch golfer and am considering gaming the tour v2s, but I cannot even hit those X31s so I don’t know how a beginner is supposed to hit those. What they really need to get back get one or more big name players on tour to game their equipment. Padraig and Paul Lawrie are good players and major champs, but not household names in America. Kevin Streelman and Ricky Barnes are really good players, but are unknowns to people who are not avid golfers. They need someone to do what Rickie Fowler did for Cobra. He made it cool and popular. Tiger made Nike a real golf brand and Phil drives Callaway. Clever marketing is also the key componenet of Taylormade’s success. If I were Wilson I would scrape together every last penny and get Rory McIlroy to game Wilson’s. Rory would bring instant credibitlity and recognition to the brand. If you can’t get Rory they need to get some other golfers that are instantly recognizable by the public.

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      Scotty: Take a good look at the V2 tours. I am old and messed up and started playing the V2s a few months ago. I got the KBS shafts in Reg. and they are great. I was surprised at how easy they are to hit. Try em, they are a real Golf Club. And above all enjoy the game.

      Reply

      Brian

      12 years ago

      Wilson is trying really hard in a really tough climate and they are doing it without the funds of a Callaway/TaylorMade/Fila-Titleist etc. Their players irons are really nice as well. Woods and fairway woods have zero traction in USA it seems. I don’t see their irons in anyone’s bag, only once in a blue moon but that’s not to say they aren’t damn good forged irons.

      Reply

      gary la rue

      12 years ago

      I love wilson staff irons and wedges…..their staff line of balls are good as well. They should play up their history….and add to that by only focusing on single digit hcaps and clubs that straddle the line between single digit and mid cappers. like the fg and the ci line. their wedges are great but serious golfers cant look past titleist, cleveland, and mizunos. wilson staff woods, drivers, hybrids and putters need some work and a serIous focus away from the gimmicky stuff. I play their pi5 irons and their tw9 wedges….but srixon driver…fairway and Cleveland hybrid.

      Reply

      Gil B.

      12 years ago

      I think it’s a fairly simple combination of issues. Although Wilson was a brand in everyones mind several decades ago, the popularity of golf gave way to more innovative companies that had the foresight to see this popularity and it was required to make more player friendly, technologically improved clubs that appealed to the masses. The staid technology of Wilson was rarely improved upon and the newcomers spent tons of money on design, material improvement, and most of all, have huge advertising budgets to hype their clubs. Quite frankly, when golfers talk shop they never mention Wilson in the conversation and I think it’s because of the items I mentioned above. Wilson is trying to get back in the golf mainstream but unless there’s a massive infusion of cash to improve their image, they’re going to remain out of golf conversations, unless it’s about their demise.

      Reply

      Joe Mama

      12 years ago

      Wilson Staff = my (late) dad’s clubs from the 60’s, and those are the last ones I’d own.

      Reply

      BR

      12 years ago

      A lot of of good commentary and politics even in this thread. My thoughts below, appreciate feedback/conversation.
      What is your current perception of the Wilson golf brand?
      Wilson golf brand is not a dominating golf brand as it was when I was growing up. And its kinda sad to me. I spent many hours in a local pro shop wishing I had the money for those chrome beauties (late 70’s) when I was a kid.
      What do you think they should be doing to get back to the top?
      I think the Wilson golf company should focus on golf balls and move the STAFF (to me one of the most iconic golf emblems in golf) to full premium status. I mean go out and forge the best irons possible and sign a superstar or two. This gets attention back to the company/brand. Think lots of those Red/Wht Wilson Staff tour bags every time an event is on tv.
      Should they go away from their heritage with a new branding style or stick with what got them here?
      They can keep their historic heritage in the premium markets and create another identity that is quality and price competitive (no cheap retail does not apply here in my thoughts). I like the duo golf ball, I liked one of those fybrid clubs (its just the shaft was not a fit for me per se but the design did seem to work when I made a decent swing).
      Someone earlier referenced Tour Edge noting a difference between two product lines, I like that strategy. I know they have some pro’s playing or on contract but I mean a bigger name superstar that is in the top ten week after week.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      BR, some great comments & thoughts, especially regarding “Staff”..I couldn’t agree more..I don’t know about the balls, though that’s cuz I’ve never hit a Wilson ball and I don’t know that much about that segment, other than I play Bridgestone Tour B330-S and TItleist seems to dominate the market, at least on the tour side…

      Have a good one…

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      Reply

      Michael

      12 years ago

      Wilson Golf……… WILSON STAFF used to be THE only NAME besides McGregor. …….
      I concurr that they should rise just like the PHOENIX……!

      The questions concerning what will be the limitations of inovatitions for club makers would be similiar to that of other fields. Of course it is not a subject frequently discussed but there is always room at the top for excellence!!!!

      The future of golf????? Every aspect …. the science, the demographics of folks that play this game……. How to grow the game? The lost generations of players….. to the digital area.!!!! Good subject matter for debate, ugh!

      Reply

      tom whitehead

      12 years ago

      hit the irons at pga show nice feel, due golf ball great, can`t wait to hit d-100

      Reply

      Mike Honcho

      12 years ago

      They (Wilson) have the best equipment commercials with the “Seriously” ads. To me those are the best since Sign Boy. We all know what the ‘driver’ is, guys on TV playing the product translates to Joe Schome saying i gotta have that. Streelman, Barnes, Harrington, and Lawrie are the only Wilson Staffers i can name. Conversely, I could (but wont) triple that list withTitleist or TaylorMade staffers.

      Reply

      Mike

      12 years ago

      Wilson has made great clubs for ever. Sad they have lost so much market share over the years.
      Fat shafts might have been great but was a marketing disaster. Callaway, Titleist, Taylor Made and others bought their way into the market and remain at the top. Mizuno replaced Wilson as the players club of choice in the 1980’s. They did it with a dedication to quality and staying the course.

      Wilson can get back to the top but it will be a long expensive proposition. They have always built a decent players iron. with MacGregor they are the most underrated club in the USA.

      Reply

      Ron

      12 years ago

      Kflaire You are so clueless and naive to believe that , besides my pro who is with ping was at the factory himself and is very good freinds with with one of the big fat cats that run ping and he told my pro first hand that most of our staffers prefer and request the nickel headed heads that are not available to mass production because its too much money to mass produce,and thats EXACTLY what he told him , he also showed one of those heads rusting in the corners in the back of the head and told my pro that the retails dont rust because they are stainless. KFlair you know nothing abt this business compaired to what I know keep your stupid comments to yourself.

      Reply

      KFlare

      12 years ago

      If you’re referring to the rumors that Lee Westwood played 8620 forged i10 irons forged by Miura and than plated with Ni-Ni-Cr, photos show that Lee’s i10s have an unplated finish like the production i10s. Of course, you should provide the photos you have of PING’s non-stainless irons, because the plating and alleged rust would be quite obvious. That would definitely settle this issue.

      Also, you should consider ending your comments with “\troll”, because that would be like a sweet calling card.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Ron, you obviously have a source that we don’t have…If someone’s not willing to listen to ya and take your assistance, forget ’em..It’s not worth getting all bent outa shape over..

      And seriously, it’s not worth getting personal over…This is a great site and part of the reason is that you can post your opinion in an uncensored forum, as long as you’re cival, and you can march to a different drummer, and there’s room for everybody…When you start throwin personal “haymakers,” people forget about the reason that we all come here: for fun, relaxation & to express our views and hopefully, every now & then, to learn something…

      I feel as though I’m partially responsible for your dissagreement and it wasn’t my intent to throw gas on the fire…You’re obviously very passionate about your views, and that’s admirable, however don’t lower yourself to taking personal shots at guys..

      I’m sure that if we all met on the first tee and introduced ourselves around, we’d get along and start down the fairway laughing and talking…

      The Best to ya…..

      Fairways & Greens 4ever….

      Reply

      Drew

      12 years ago

      Well said. Golfers are some of the most respectful and dignified folks that you will ever meet. I play with strangers every weekend and enjoyed every minute. We’re a unique bunch.

      RAT

      12 years ago

      Well – RP , JMiller065 you guys go get em’.I am an avid Wilson Staff owner and player.The list of clubs I have owned ,R9 TP s, Mizuno MP25s,AdamsCB2s,Cobra and the Staff tourV2s, Di9,Di11,Staff tour .The Di9 was the longest iron ,as advertised and easy to hit.The Di11s were close to the 9s but the V2 tour is the best and sweetest to play…As for the logo it’s clean well thought out .Much better than no logo at all as Titlest,these have logo’s,Tour Edge(TJ),NeverComprise(NC)Ping(the little pig or what ever).The Callaway chevron(V) looks cheap compared to the W/S. If logos are bad then why are others trying to ID themselves..I believe Wilson needs to loosen the purse strings and get some young guns that can and will win now and in the future .WINNING SELLS They also need to develop a top of the line Driver(adjustable and not white)NONE of there staff players will use their current offering.The marketing plan is not aggressive.! Put more sales Reps out in the field .Have DEMO days at local courses in each state and if needed each county.Wilson wins in the stringed equipment world not in the Golf World.. The game plan should be like NASCAR used to be – WIN ON SUNDAY SALE ON MONDAY !!!
      SORRY FOR THE RAMBLING , They have the knowledge, now put it to use!
      P.S. I grew up playing Wilson Staff

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Not at all Rat, some great points, especially about the logo…Obviously, I’m a big fan of the logo..lol…

      Take Care….

      Fairwars & Greens 4ever…..

      Reply

      joro

      12 years ago

      I have been playing Wilson for a couple of years now and the Irons are great. I have used the Ci7, the 62s, the V2 tour, and now the ci11s, they are all quality. The problem is the Woods, even the tour Staff does not use them, they are not up to par, but the irons are as good as any.

      Marketing is horrible, the ads are a joke, and delivery time is forever. I waited over 8 weeks for my Graphite shafted Ci11 irons. They are beautiful but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,. They have to step it up and compete before they go back to Costco and get the rep. as a low quality club.

      It never ceases to amaze me that a company with their past, their Tour presence, and the quality they are now getting will let it all go down the drain with krappy marketing.

      Reply

      Golfer Burnz

      12 years ago

      Wilson Staff….. iconic, underrated, overlooked.

      Golfers have been brainwashed by the new kids on the block to think Wilson is somehow inferior. Wilson just isn’t as hip and trendy as say ______, so maybe a different approach to PR and marketing, to re-brainwash the masses.

      Reply

      Homer H.

      12 years ago

      I absolutely agree. I own a set of W/S Di9’s, and love them.

      Reply

      Barbajo

      12 years ago

      BTW — wouldn’t a similar discussion of MacGregor be worthwhile? Hit any of their stuff lately? MGS had a great review of their forged VIP irons a couple of years ago, and their drivers ain’t bad. Silly looking, but not bad…

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Yep…Two peas in the same pod..

      Good points JB….

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…..

      Reply

      Barbajo

      12 years ago

      What do I think of when I think of Wilson? Simple — sporting goods!

      That’s the brand in my mind. They market everything from footballs to badminton sets to bocce balls to golf clubs. And they make that stuff for every budget and skill level. You can buy a Wilson football for 15 bucks at Target, and watch the big boys play with Wilson footballs on Sunday. The Target ball in no way takes away from the quality of the NFL ball, does it?

      My take is that Wilson hasn’t been focusing as much on the higher end golfer (average and above) in the past couple of decades. Doesn’t mean they haven’t been making good stuff, but they haven’t participated in the Golf Mag/Golf Digest/Golf Channel advertising marketing game to the level of the so-called “Big Boys.” Guess what? That stuff matters — not sure how, but it matters. We like to say here that it’s not the hype, it’s the performance – and to an extent that’s true. But hype does make you pay attention. It says “pay attention to me! I’m a serious player in this arena!!!”

      W/S is making some fine stuff. The V2’s were a major consideration this spring when buying new clubs — problem was I couldn’t find a place to get properly fit, and I wasn’t ready to trust the “pro” at Golf Galaxy to do the job. The Ci11’s were a pretty sweet GI iron that really made an impression, too. And that Duo ball? WTF??? That’s a great golf ball! So performance of that part of the line isn’t really in question.

      Putters? The 8802 is iconic – but putters are as personal as your wife’s lingerie…

      The question is in hybrids and woods. Since you can buy a W/S Fybrid at rockbottomgolf.com for $39, it probably makes you wonder whether its any good. If you can buy it that low, the impression must be it’s “Wal-Mart junk.” At least one Spy here loves ’em!

      Price makes a statement – if the V2 irons are $200 lower than the MP-59’s, they must not be as good, right? And those Ci11’s at only $599 (if you don’t look around – can score a new set for less), clearly not in the TMag/Callaway/Mizzy ballpark, otherwise they wouldn’t be so “cheap.”

      People in this world worry about paying too much for something. They worry far more about paying too little. Remember the saying, “if it sounds to good to be true….”

      I think someone said it earlier up front — unless you’re a current irons icon (like Mizuno), you gotta have a “gotta have it” big stick. They call it the “Driver” because it “drives” sales of everything else. Come up with a buzz-worthy big stick and – heavens – charge a tad more and get some big name pros besides Paddy playing your stuff and you’re at least in the ballgame.

      Reply

      Christian Furu

      12 years ago

      Wilson has a great position in the beginners market. They need to take advantage of that. The foolish thing they could do is move away from it. Use it for everything it´s worth.

      Take your beginner sets to a new level. A bit more quality and a lot more style. When this new golfer is ready to move to new clubs it should be natural for him to look at Wilson because he was so happy with his first set. Create a relationship between the beginner sets and the clubs on the next level, either with names or/and colors/design. When you´re young you buy the cheap Volvo. You love it, it´s reliable. You get older and have more money – you buy a cool Volvo. You get kids and buy the Volvo SUV. Why can´t golf clubs create that kind of relationship?

      Wilsons top irons are excellent. I´ve had Ci11 for testing this summer. I ended up selling them to my Pro in Portugal because he loved them! He shot a +1 the next day, turned out it wasn´t the clubs, it was me…….

      Wilson drivers, fw and hybrids are not good enough. The need to change the design. No more red, it doesn´t look good on this type of club. The 888 putters are good but look cheap. Look at Cleveland Classic putters. Simple. Plain. Popular. Perfect. Wilsons are so close but still so far away. “Over designed” in my opinion.

      So – great products in the top line (Ci11, FG Tour) and lots of customers in the beginners market. Bridge the gap. Make them want to move up to the next level of Wilson golfers.

      Reply

      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Christian,

      Very nice post, thanks.

      I like your thinking about giving the beginner more for their money, but I question whether or not people want to stick with the same brand when they move up to their “real” set. I have heard countless silly things like, “Well, I started with an Adams set (or Tour Edge/Wilson/etc) but when I got serious I bought a set of TM/Callaway/Ping/Titleist.”

      It could be that there are some people who stay loyal and some who want a switch, I don’t have the data to say for sure. Either way, the beginner sets are clearly a turn off for a lot of people.

      Best,

      Matt

      Reply

      Christian Furu

      12 years ago

      More for their money – yes, I think it´s a good idea. But it´s also about giving them an experience that´s closer to Wilsons best clubs. Keep the best clubs at the high level they have today and push the cheap ones closer by using the same “design language”. They can´t be 99% similar, but share some characteristics like colors and logo.

      There´s no easy way to change peoples perception of a brand. I takes time, money and a ton of great ideas.

      I also think it´s important that the brands find their “place” in the market. They can´t all be #1 at high end equipment for better players.

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Christian, well articulated, thought out post…You brought up some good points…..

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…..

      Reply

      jmiller065

      12 years ago

      What is your current perception of the Wilson golf brand?
      W/S makes a great blade, but that only hits a very very small portion of the golfing population, I personally play their blades over Mizuno or scratch or anyone else for that matter. WHY because they have the lowest amount of progressive offset and the turf interaction is exactly what I wanted. I think that they are lacking in the GI and Players CB categories and don’t have a huge US presents anymore, they are a ton bigger in Europe then they are in the States.

      What do you think they should be doing to get back to the top?
      A few different things and I’ll list them out to be clear
      ~ A few tour players that are big in the US and win a lot, lets face it people buy equipment based on what there favorite tour pro plays sometimes
      ~ A better design that creates more buzz, lets face it TMaG is not the best on the block in performance but they are the best on the block in creating looks and buzz to make people THINK they are the best performing equipment.
      ~ I sort of said this one already but their marketing strategy also needs to change. The “The blades and the backups” message basically steers away people from their blade line, why even make a blade if that is your marketing strategy? You need to embrace your roots and compete more in the players irons like Mizuno does and sort of just offer up the SGI/ GI stuff like Mizuno. Mizuno has a lot better image in that department then W/S know where you can carve into the market and then get a foot hold and run with it.

      Should they go away from their heritage with a new branding style or stick with what got them here?
      Well I sort of already answered this above, YES they should, they have to keep things fresh and new and create buzz, but at the same time you can’t take away from a line that could be one of your best selling points. Which would be the blades and players CB lines… I understand the biggest money is in the GI and SGI equipment but lets face it other big OEMs already have their names in concrete in that area at this time. It is HARD convening people that don’t know the golf industry that well and only go off perception that you are better then the next guy.

      I hope that W/S figures something out and stops discrediting their best product the blade iron.

      Reply

      jmiller065

      12 years ago

      Given I own and play the W/S FG62 blades I get to hear the opinions of the people that actually notice what I have in my bag a lot. I have heard things like the following:

      “Those are some beautiful looking irons” my response to this is yes they are great looking and play even better.

      “Why are you playing clubs from the 80s” my response to this is normally something along the lines of “a blade iron isn’t for everyone but I love them”. They never respond with a correction that they were talking about W/S as a brand so I have to assume that my response was accurate they were talking about blades in general.

      I have yet to hear anyone really say anything about W/S as a brand to me at all, anyone that wants to make a comment like “hacker trash” or “walmart” clearly doesn’t know the golf industry or OEMs, I did a fast look on the walmart website, Callaway, Wilson, Tour Edge all have some kind of complete beginners set on there, that’s just good business not a reflection on the company, I wanted to slap the guy on FB that made that comment in the mouth because it is clear that the person has an opinion about something that they don’t have facts to back up. Seems to happen a lot around golf forums in general, not a real knowledge of anything a simple regurgitation of news releases and what they have been told by someone in the past.

      Reply

      Golfspy Matt

      12 years ago

      Happy to see you, JM. It’s been a while, I thought we’d lost you.

      Best,

      Matt

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      No way Matt…I’d just head down Duke way & find the opinionated guy on the course hittin bombs & get him back on line…lol….

      Travel safe my Friend….

      My Best,
      Richard

      Ron

      12 years ago

      RP your right they do have that logo on the grip caps of those clubs back then , however today it seems that they are throwing it around like the running bird logo mizuno has and both companies should not use them so proudly by putting them right on the back of the head, its cheapens the look of the product especially mizuno my god what the hell are they thinking. Anyway you do sound like an intelligent guy but my statements are not harsh and to let you know more about my knowledge, well lets start with PING I know most of the pga staffers ping heads are made of nickel something thats too costly for ping to mass produce so you get the stainless steel heads on the retail heads, I also know this for a fact because it came straight from the horses mouth at ping not some BS rep, I also know that the camerons circle Ts are made from a real german steel where the retails are made of a stainless steel and mass made in China, I also know that the heads most of the titleist staffers on tour use is forged head where the retails are cast especially the vokeys. I also know the Tigers irons are forged in Chicago to a 21 step process and grounded at the oven at nike, all the pga tours players golf balls are different but Im sure most people know that, I can go on and on but your talking to a guy who knows whats going on in this crooked equipment business.

      Reply

      KFlare

      12 years ago

      Ron, the best way for you to look smarter is just to stop posting here. The nickel heads thing is stupid. First, it makes no sense. Second, you cannot provide ANY proof to back you up. Third, why should you care? PING tells you the clubs are stainless steel. They’re not lying! Even if the clubs were different, do you think they would refuse to take a giant pile of money if a consumer wanted the same clubs the pros played?

      You hop on hear with these conspiracy theories about the crooked industry, yet you will never provide any proof. Perhaps you fear that TaylorMade assassins learn your true identity and silence your voice of truth.

      Reply

      Masta

      12 years ago

      +100000

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      First, thanx KFlare….Appreciate you steppin in..Secondly, Ron, everyone has their opinion on things, and though I’m fairly opinionated, you beat me hands down..lol…I’m not familiair with a lot of what you’re speaking of, so I can’t comment, one way or the other…

      My only point initially was that Staff is very different from Wilson in the minds of “players,” or someone who plays the FG Tour Blades or has played the Tour Blade(FG17), and the logo runs hand-in-hand with the name “Staff Tour Blade,” especially for those of us that played the Blade in the 70s-80s…

      Regarding the running bird, I would agree with you on the placement of it on the iron, however not because it “cheapens” the iron, though from a practicality standpoint..My 68s have the bird on the sole(heel position)..I get dirt & crap in it & am constantly cleaning it out vs. it’s location on the 69s on the face-back top-line position….

      My only point is that though Wilson can remove the shield logo from their advertising, companies would literally give millions to have a symbol as rich in tradition & sucess as the shield & the staff name…61 majors…Money can’t buy those & the marketing department can’t create that…Ya gotta perform..Ya gotta win…Ya gotta be a champion…

      Wilson Staff is..

      You have some different opinions, and ya may take some shots for them, however if you believe in ’em, post ’em..You defense of your opinions is admirable..

      Have a good season…

      The Best,
      Richard

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      Reply

      Masta

      12 years ago

      RP Jacobs taking the high road once again. This site wouldn’t be the same without you. Always enjoy reading your posts.

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Thanx a lot Masta, though I probably should have come in a little lighter..Some people just have different sources for their information..lol…

      Have a good week-end….

      Regards,
      Richard

      Fairways & Greens 4ever……

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      And Ron, when I said that I have not posted an inaccurate fact in my prior posts?..That’s incorrect…Last week was my first..Seriously…And I did read the chart before posting..The problem was that I read it wrong the first time, second time, the third time, etc…

      And I believed that I was correct…It’s sorta like when a reporter asked Nicklaus about the 5′ putt he missed on #18 of a Champion’s event to miss the play-off by one stroke…Nicklaus said that he’s never, ever missed a 5′ putt for all of the marbles in a tournament, any tournament, ever..The reporter looked around, stunned, because it was on film that Nicklaus missed putt…The point is that in his mind, Nicklaus never missed…

      I’m not that dogmatic, lol, though I’m far from perfect…

      Take care Ron…

      The Best to ya…

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      Reply

      J.F

      12 years ago

      I think big promblem with the Wilson Staff brand is that their clubs have been major winning players clubs back the days but nowdays their clubs are for sale in almost every clubhouse proshop you can find (atleast in Finland) and all of the old grannys and granpas are using them..I don’t think that’s the way Wilson (Staff) wanted things to go! Otherwise said the brand is no More Sexy and innovative enough. It’s like Nokia vs. rest of the Worlds phonemakers… It’s a hard road to get back in the Podium since you’ve once lost your position!

      Reply

      John

      12 years ago

      Wilson make some great gear but they need to re-name the low end stuff to distance it from their high end gear.

      They also need to sign about 25 TOP players across the PGA and European Tours. People seeing Wilson Staff pros winning every other week, as people see with Titleist for example, brings credibility to the brand.

      They also need to improve their distribution/promotion, getting the product out there and available.

      In terms of their product line up, there is probably a gap between the FG and CI lines, something like an AP2/MP59 would be useful.

      Finally, the quality has to be excellent.

      Reply

      GolfSpy Dave

      12 years ago

      Loved the Zip and Duo. FG Tour is a nice ball as well…

      Reply

      rock and block

      12 years ago

      I dont work in marketing as a profession, but you can see from the comments that it’s a fractured brand.

      I guess if you were to think about this as a graph of price versus quality perception, there are only a couple successful quadrants to operate in. Brands like mizuno and titleist have very clear positions in the high price / high qualilty quadrant, while lynx and golden bear are firmly in the low price / low quality quadrant. The customer can find _value_ in either of these segments. Brands whither in the high price / low quality segment (think jaguar about 10 years ago, land rover currently).

      So there’s one of two options, they could either split the brand or focus on one of them, but they have to pick. And you can’t just call it wilson staff / wilson, it has to be two completely different brands. that would be like ford making luxury cars.

      Either way, i’d be willing to bet wilson golf is living off of other divisions profits and is posting negatives on their own P&L. The only thing in golf equipment that has any type of margin is balls and drivers which is why I always laugh when kevin streelman and ricky barnes are on tv pushing their forged iron sets.

      Reply

      The One Swing

      12 years ago

      Nothing wrong with Wilson. Too often golfers are infatuated with numbers and statistics that the big name brands put out but the average golfer really couldn’t tell a difference between Wilson clubs that they purchased at a sporting goods store, and the latest and greatest super game improvement iron from Mizuno or Taylormade.
      We all know how much confidence can help with the game, but I think the confidence people get from big name brands comes more from bragging rights than actual liking of a brand. Like the difference between buying a Luxury car and a fully functional and affordable sedan.
      I’ve tried out Wilson clubs, and I thought they hit great. The price was reasonable too. But I just didn’t like what I saw when I looked at the clubs.

      Reply

      Ron

      12 years ago

      scratch and mizuno do it.

      Reply

      Mastaj

      12 years ago

      Funny to see how people still look down on products made in china. Everything in America is made in china nowadays. From your iPhone to your HDTV to your golf clubs. If you don’t like made in china, you should go live in mars.

      Someone suggested bringing the manufacturing back to USA or to Japan. That sounds good but naive. Think about the high cost. How is selling a $1500 dollars iron set going to help Wilson’s profit margin?

      Reply

      Mstod

      12 years ago

      I don’t think the average consumer distinguishes between the Staff line and the Wilson line of clubs. I’m agreeing with the other posters on here that think that they need to get rid of the lower end brand altogether in order for consumers to recognize that the Staff brand is competing.

      I played a Staff driver about 7 years back and a putter and hybrid a couple years ago. I got all three on great deals because (I’m assuming) low demand. I thought all three were good value and played them regularly.

      I think W/S needs to put out a marketing campaign where they can make performance claims. W/S irons lower scores by X amount more than the competitors. The W/S driver produces 5mph higher clubhead spead than the TM Rocketballz. etc etc. Anything to get your clubs into people’s hands to at east compare them to the others. If you want to compete with the big boys, tell people you are making an equivalent or better product.

      Reply

      Drew

      12 years ago

      They need to retool and get rid of the Staff and Wilson name all together – we’re not in the 80’s anymore and no one cares. Sure, keep the Wilson name on the cheap Walmart sets…but create a new brand with high quality and a good new name. The smarter companies create buzz by giving away sets to golf forum websites for members to use and write reviews on. TM and others do it all the time.

      Reply

      Drew

      12 years ago

      PS. I used to love my Invex driver…its still in the garage.

      Reply

      Arjun

      12 years ago

      Pound for pound Wilson Staff makes the best irons in the market today…I use the words pound for pound because in my view they are a notch below Mizuno and probably two notches below Miura…that said, they are also significantly cheaper than both (hence the pound for pound analogy)…I used to play a lot of golf in my teens (well into single figure handicap) but since have gone to college, got a job, got married etc…much like most middle class people out there…I love playing golf but at best I manage a weekend game and when I can muster the energy I manage a range session or two during the week…for the amount I invest in the game myself, Wilson’s excellent irons match my investment into the game perfectly (and I suspect, most people’s investment into the game)…if you have the time to play 2+rounds a week and hit the range almost every day…then get a set of Mizuno’s or Miura’s…if not…getting a set of Wilson’s makes perfect sense….

      While I believe all of the above to be true…I do believe, the facts above are also Wilson’s biggest problem currently…the make excellent irons which aren’t percieved to be the best because they are seen to be the good irons for middle perfromance golfers…and that initself puts middle performance golfers from buying them despite their excellent perfromance characteristics (i.e most of us have ego’s and want to be seen with the coolest brand(s) in golf on the first tee)…in order to alter that perception one of two things needs to happen (or both)…either Wilson has to pay shedloads to a whole bunch of tour pro’s to carry thier clubs (the TM approach) and/or they need to create and market such a rediculously good and premium iron (in every sense…price included), that people want it because most can’t have it…if they manage to do a bit of both and get their messaging right…I think they’ll be back to being considered as an elite golf brand in general.

      p.s..I play Ci9 irons and FG Tour balls and I love them to bits…would upgrade to the MP59 if I had the luxury of playing a lot more golf…

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Arjun, I’ve played Mizuno for 26+ years and currently play the MP-68s, and I hit, played & purchased the FG62s…They are a tad firmer, not harder, a little firmer, and they are every bit the iron that the 68s are..

      IMO, they were not better(the 62s), and since I’ve played the 68s for 2 years, I stayed with them…However, anyone selecting a MB would be remiss in not hitting the Staff 62s…If I for some reason stopped playing the 68s, I’d put the Staff’s in my bag..Hands down, they’re better than anything else out there….I’ve only hit a few Miura blades, never owned any, though of the $1000 MBs, I’d say it’s the MP-68s & the FG62s..You can flip a coin..

      Can’t speak for the other irons in the Staff line-up, though the C11s, D11s & Tour V2s all got excellent reviews…So, the problem id not an equipment problem..It’s a branding problem..

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      Reply

      Arjun

      12 years ago

      RP- I don’t disagree at all…perhaps when I said the Wilson’s are a notch below Mizuno perhaps it gave the impression that there is a significant difference in quality, but I agree that there isn’t and if anything its marginal. I have a set of Hogan Apex blades sitting in my garrage but unfortunately I don’t get enough time these days to be able to play these consistently (some day I’ll be able to retire/cut back on work and get back to the serious business of playing golf) so I bought the Ci9’s last year because I was looking for a CB iron that had a thin top line but would still allow my to move the ball if my swing was on song…I tried the AP2’s, the Mizuno JPX Pro’s and the Ping G15’s in addition to the Ci9’s and the Wilsons just felt better than anything else (I think it really helps that the Ci9’s come with the FST riffle shat as stock)…it was an added bonus that the Wilson’s alos happend to be $200 cheaper, but that wasn’t a determining factor….in that range, I just felt they were the best iron!

      jmiller065

      12 years ago

      Two steps bellow Miura, you have to be joking on that statement? Miura is pretty much the bench mark on forging now a days, Mizuno honestly has a better Players CB and CB line up IMHO… Miura Mizuno W/S Blades are all sort of a different category, where I personally would rank the blades Miura, W/S, Mizuno because I have actually hit all 3 of them. W/S and Mizuno are neck and neck it would be a coin toss for most people playing blades and come down to preference on offsets and sole camber / leading edge for turf interaction preference between the two.

      That is just my two cents on those two comments, W/S does make a great blade, in the CB and GI area I think they are lacking a little.

      Reply

      Aaron

      12 years ago

      I would bet a lot of money that most of you bashing the wilson line have not tried there stuff!
      You are probably the same people that buy only pro v 1’s even though you can’t break 90 and your SS is 85!
      People saying they put out nothing but junk, lol. Di-11 are fantastic GI clubs. Ci-11 and FG tour are sweet as well for the better players. And there golf balls are sweet too.

      Reply

      Dave Dot

      12 years ago

      Ron I agree 100 percent they need to do something different like that, but dont let the guys on here get to ya . peace out.

      Reply

      RON

      12 years ago

      RP Jacobs What I meant by getting rid of the logo is that hart shaped with W S on it. Wilson never had that logo in the 70s and 80s and it looks stupid as hell, however I think they should just call the irons STAFF thats it, like they did back in the day and have those irons forged in Japan and market them made in Japan on their web site just like scratch does it. RP I never said get rid of the staff name just the hart shaped W/S logo thats all its cheesy looking as hell and they need to start over again after all its Wilson making the clubs NOT Wilson Staff, staff is just a nick name. We are obviously looking at this in different ways but you shouldnt make childish remarks and down people , after all what makes you so smart . Anyway I thing Wilson needs to go the quality direction, its the only way out of the hole their in. I know their irons today may good solid clubs but by having em made in Japan and by market them being made in Japan would certainly boost alot of peoples interest in their company again.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Ron, #1, you’re right, Wilson did not have the logo in the 70s & 80s..It first appeared in 1960 on the on the face-back head of the Dyna-Powered iron..That “cheesy” looking logo has appeared on the grip caps of the iconic 8802 putter(70s), the Dynapower irons & the FG51 Tour Blades..You’ve obviously never seen, much less played, the 8802 putter or the Dynapowers or the 51s..1960 Bro…

      Having played the 17s and the 62s, I assure you that “players” have no problem with the shield..That is Staff..For half of a century, the shield meant one thing, a muscleback iron second to none..The fact that they’ve “watered down” the line with GI(Ci11) & SGI(Di11) does nothing to take away from the Tour Blades or the Tour V2s..

      The upper portion of the shield, which contained the “W,” was black & the lower portion, which contained the “S,” was red…This shield is to Staff what the star is to Benz or the crested shield is to Porsche..You do not just throw away a logo that was on some of the finest clubs ever anufactured…

      #3, I have over 2000 posts on this blog, and while I usually do not even respond to a post such as yours or “down” someone, as you so eloquently stated, it was a bit much that your tone of certainty exceeded your actual knowledge by such a wide magin…

      #4, and this question is the most astute question/statement that you’ve posted, and that is what makes me so smart..Ron, I’m gonna do ya a favor and answer this, and if you’re smarter than I think you are, you’ll read it, think about it and apply it to better yourself..What I’m betting you’ll do is read it, get pissed and fire off some half-cocked response, though don’t forget, you asked the question…

      First, “smart” is relative..If you’re asking what makes me smart in relationship to you, well it’s simple..#1, I’m well above average IQ..#2, I have a lot of common sense and “applicable” knowledge..To just have knowledge and not know how to use it is like having great speed on a football field, yet not being able to use it in a game..#3, I do not post opinion as fact..Never…Ever..When I post something as a fact, and you’re welcome to go back over my 2000+ posts, I’m right, 100% of the time..I’d check, re-check and triple check before I’d post something like “Wilson never had that logo in the 70s & the 80s”…

      So, I hope that I answered your question & ya learned something about the Staff shield that ya obviously didn’t know before….

      Isn’t MGS a great site…LOL…

      Have a good one Ron..

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      BTW, The colors are now reversed with the red being on top w/the “W” & the black on the bottom with the “S”…For thinkin I know so damn much about Staff, I have no idea when the switch occured..lol…Oh well….

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      chris

      12 years ago

      IF there is somewhere for them to go, I think it would be in Players clubs. Wilson Staff branded all the way. Forged CBs and hybrids, go from there.They must come in at lower MAP than the big boys, no one will pay equal money as Mizuno for example until they become re-established as a real brand.

      Market Wilson Golf as super GI only (or dump it) and get out of the ball biz completely. Stay away from wedges and putters. Just irons and hybrids and slowly put the Staff brand back together. Maybe 2 sets of irons, a forged cb and then a forged tour iron. Keep them in line for 2 seasons like Ping does, do not chase the 9 month life cycle of the public companies.

      Reply

      Matthew Harris

      12 years ago

      While they undoubtedly bank a lot of money selling their clubs in places like Walmart, that very fact marks their gear as crap, whether or not it actually is. I buy balls at Walmart. Clubs? No way. And as long as Wilson sells clubs at Walmart, Wilson will always be a producer of “Walmart clubs”. They would have to get away from that image to climb back up the ladder, but I don’t know that the company could survive the loss of revenue in ending that relationship. They’re in a catch-22.

      Reply

      Nevin Wilson

      12 years ago

      I think Padraig Harrington won his majors with Wilson clubs so it isn’t that they are living on laurels from 20 years ago. I’ve played Wilson clubs off and on since the early 1970’s. I think that they are very good clubs. I eve nhad some Fat Shafts and they were really good irons, you just couldn’t reshaft them. My impression is that they are more popular in Europe these days than the US. I certainly see people with their clubs so the idea that no one plays them isn’t entirely correct. Golfers are fickle and definitely influenced by what others are playing. However, Anyone buying new clubs, especially irons should try the Wilsons. – Nevin

      Reply

      Jordan J. Caron

      12 years ago

      I love how Wilson is pushing the fact that their irons have won the most majors. Talk about living in the past! Wilson has not been a relevant player in the industry in close to 20 years.

      When I company brags about past accomplishements this far in the past, it’s pulling at straws.

      I’m assuming the company was sold sometime in between producing nice blades and pumping the the Invex driver and fat shafts. At that point they should have changed the name because people had a different preception of what Wilson stood for.

      It’s like when Callaway bought out Ben Hogan and started producing player improvement irons. The Hogan name was a lot like WIlson in that they produced high quality forged blades.

      Anyways, great post. You should send this to Wilson’s marketing department.

      Reply

      tider992010

      12 years ago

      Too start with, I’ve played with newer model irons from Wilson, Di11’s. I’ve played their Zip, 50/50 and Duo Balls. I love all three. I’ve never hit a Wilson Driver, putted with a Wilson putter, or swung a Wilson Wedge. I agree with all of the above, good irons, bad marketing. The golf world is getting quicker paced and seasons are only 6 mos. to a year. Look at all the irons on the market, March $700 per set, Sept $ 350. Margins shrinking and bigger fish swallowing smaller fish. Need to stream line their line up and concentrate on making every club as good as it can be and advertise, advertise, market and advertise again. Toss the stuff that doesn’t sale and manufacture what people want. Been a golfer for 15 years and I’ve never seen Wilson at a demo day of any event. When I had the D11’s, I really liked the irons but hated the fat shafts. When I traded them in they were only worth 25-30% of what I paid for them. No demand.

      Reply

      CDVilla

      12 years ago

      While Wilson has a solid iron offering they’re an absolute non-player in the Driver/Woods/Hybird category. Companies that offer innovation in the Driver category are better positioned to sell their irons.

      Reply

      Hunter

      12 years ago

      K-Mart

      Just like K-Mart they should either change their name and create a new brand or create a new brand for the higher end market. They should also get away from the really crappy designs, old logos and work to become “cool” again. The only company succeeding with old school design and classic logos is Titleist and they have done that because they dominate the ball market and make good looking stuff.

      YES!!! They are never going to compete with TM or Callaway with the name Wilson. Not going to happen. Use that brand for beginners.

      Reply

      TwoSolitudes

      12 years ago

      Wilson as a brand should just fade away. They have ruined it and won’t ever get it back to anything worth while.

      Wilson Staff needs to rise from the ashes of Wilson and become the ‘new’ Adams golf. The little independent company that makes great innovative products. The Staff brand still has some admirers, it is not considered cheap, and they have the irons to make a start with. A lot could be done with the Wilson Staff brand, but as you say, they need to chose what they want to focus on, and then committ to it.

      Right now they have absolutely nothing (other than balls) that makes them stand out in any way. There s no Wilson product creating any buzz. No innovation, no originality. Some good irons yes, but nothing will bring buyers in to try them. More tour players would be ok, and a nice set of blades couldn’t hurt i guess, but what they really need is an original design idea that appeals to a big chunk of those 15-25 handicappers who want something a bit unique that really performs. And I am not talking about a new colour of paint.

      Reply

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      TS, the fact that Staff has nothing that makes them stand out in any way is more a bye-product of a poor marketing/strategy effort than it is of quality of their present forged Tour blade, the FG62..This is an outstanding iron, second to none…

      I played the Staff Tour Blade, the FG17, from 1981 thru ’86, when I switched to Mizuno, whom I have played for the past 26+ years..I’ve played the MP-68 for the past 2 years and last year I purchased a set of the FG62s and I put them in the bag for 8 rounds…I really could not tell the difference between the two, and needless to say, I love the feel of Mizuno, however the 62s didn’t give an inch..

      If you are looking for a true player’s blade, the Staff FG62 carries on the tradition of the prior muscle-backs in the FG line…Though I still have the Mizzys in my bag, you could flip a coin between the 62s and the 68s…They are that close…They are both world class Tour Blades..No, the 62s aren’t “a nice set of blades,” they are a phenomenal set of blades….

      Though I have never hit it, the Tour V2s have gotten great reviews, including one here at MGS..No, if the Staff line falls short, it has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of their Tour MB & CB, & everything to do with Wilson’s inability to maket these two irons effectively…

      They don’t come any better than the 62s..If ya hit ’em, you’d agree with me..

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      Reply

      TwoSolitudes

      12 years ago

      I probably wouldn’t agree- because I can’t hit blades very well! But I will take your word for it. Top blades appeal to a very very small group though. You can’t really get the word out through that when 95% of golfers associate your name with the cheap stuff.

      Irons and ball seems to be OK for Wilson Staff reputation wise. But just look at those new drivers! Ugh.

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Though you’re right TS, because 90-95% of the people who would play Staffs, wouldn’t play the 62s, just like 90-95% of those who play Mizzy, don’t play the 68s…So I guess the challenge is how to tie that heritage of the Staff line into a relevant, cohesive marketing strategy to sell clubs in today’s market place…

      Good points…Thanx….

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…..

      Greg

      12 years ago

      While the fg line is fantastic, the ci and di lines are weighed down by the low end Wilson products. Perhaps the players gear should just be called “Staff”like how Lexus and Acura are separated from Honda and Toyota. Callaway accomplishes this via top flight (and some rebranded gamer balls, etc), so maybe this is what Wilson needs.

      Reply

      Chris

      12 years ago

      The problem is Wilson could make a set of top-quality blades, players irons and a forged blade putter which everyone reviews highly and throws accolades at and they could still fail miserably. I just can’t see a way where they return to their former glory days. I’m sure they make a lot of money from selling full sets to beginners, juniors and ladies but they need to distance themselves from that side of the market from really re-brand their tour gear. I don’t think they need to to have drivers, fairway woods and hybrids in their line-up unless they match other top OEM’s in quality and performance.

      Hogan didn’t really have much for sale in their last few years other than irons, wedges and putters (with bags and apparel), Wilson need to streamline and re-market their brand with quality tour used equipment but it’s such a small section of the industry they’re not going to be commercially viable unless they keep the sporting-goods-store budget brands.

      It would be nice to see them come out with some successful commercials were they play on the Wilson image, it doesn’t have to be 100% golf I’m sure a lot of sports iconic moments have occurred with a Wilson equipment and they really need to remind the public of those moments as they re-introduce the Wilson name to golf fans.

      Reply

      RON

      12 years ago

      They need to go back to their roots with the look of the clubs and bags they had in the 80s and get rid of the wilson staff logo, its cheap looking and means nothing and just call themselves Wilson like long ago and biuld clubs in America and brand it being made in America, that would most definetly attract alot of people knowing they have a niche brand build in the states HUGE ATTRACTION to people especially of today where all of their competeters are made in China. Stay away from making drivers and just be known as a high quality irons and wedge maker. Its different than the other companys which at this day and age is what you need. If they cant make their irons and wedges in America have them made in japan and brand them made in japan from highest quality materials, trust me it would attract so many good players, Im getting goose pimples thinking about it. Soon tour players and top golfers will take note of that and Wilson of old will slowely start being one of the if not highest quality companies around, then and only then you start expanding your lines.

      Reply

      KFlare

      12 years ago

      They would certainly attract some 1%-ers with “Made in the USA”, because that is who could afford American-made golf clubs…

      (not at all political commentary, but there’s a reason cheap mass-produced goods don’t come from the US anymore).

      Reply

      Joe

      12 years ago

      And that reason is nations like China have no environmental laws, no health or safety standards, and a virtual slave labour system. Combine that with the nutso policy of giving tax breaks to US company’s that move jobs offshore under conditions that would land them in jail in the US, along with the lack of any domestic tariffs or penalties to encourage and protect good jobs to stay in the US and you end up with a race to to bottom that eventually kills everyone and everything.

      It’s just sad. It would be very easy to fix and create a system where everyone wants to raise standards instead of lower them- but that would mean lots of hard work and some shared sacrifice for a longer term view. I don’t see that happening. Shared sacrifice and long term views are pretty much dead concepts in the US.

      END OF POLITICAL COMMENT.

      Back on track- I think the number of people who talk about wanting Made In USA products is high, but the number who would actually buy them over an equal quality but cheaper product made elsewhere is minuscule. Wilson would not get much benefit from if other than a bit of good short term PR.

      They need original, innovative, performing products that are attractive to a large section of golfers. That’s it.

      KFlare

      12 years ago

      Slave labor system?! No health or safety standards? While China definitely has different values than the US and is far from “green”, it is hardly a lawless concentration camp. Let me guess, you get your news from Sean Hannity?

      I agree with you on Made in the USA. Many of us get on the soapbox to decry outsourcing to China and human rights violations, but then 90% of us sanction those exact behaviors by purchasing a club…we can always vote with our wallets if we really cared!

      Barbajo

      12 years ago

      Suggested further reading: “Cheap: The High Price of Discount Culture” by Ellen Ruppel Shell. It’s an eye-opener, and you’ll never eat shrimp from Thailand again!

      Joe

      12 years ago

      Hannity would be cheering on China and asking why the US doesn’t follow it down in the sewer to compete, wouldn’t he? Fox is all about destroying regulations and any efforts to protect workers or think about anything but short term gain for the 1%.

      ‘Virtual’ slave labour. Extremely limited health and safety standards and virtually no meaningful environmental standards. Is that better? They have laws of course, but lets not kid ourselves about what the life of a typical factory working is like in China (or Bangladesh or Cambodia etc etc). Its not a model anyone should be looking to follow. I’ll take a few bucks more for clubs in exchange for clean water and air any day!

      If a product made in China cost the same as a product made in the US people would buy the US product. But there are only two ways that can happen. 1) lower the standards, wages and working conditions of the US so much that the costs are the same. 2) End any tax breaks for US company’s moving overseas and tax imports from nations with poor standards to a level that makes them cost about the same as domestic goods.

      Nations that want to reduce the tariffs would have to increase their standards and working conditions.

      The result of 2 would be more US jobs, better paying US jobs, better standards overseas and at home, more disposable income across the world and a stronger economy.

      KFlare

      12 years ago

      Joe, you make good points and as an American, I respect where you’re coming from. My hang-up is that you propose making consumer goods more expensive. Corporations gravitate toward the cheapest option to make a product, and upsetting that balance with tariffs or other artificial constraints can ONLY make products more expensive for Americans. So before we blame the 1% for this reality, we have to accept that the 99% voted for it with their $.

      And regarding the factories, the Chinese definitely have different standards and values than many of us do. However, having worked in Chinese factories, I saw a lot of workers *choosing* to leave their villages and flock to the cities to earn wages and modernize their lifestyle (judging with my American standards). The relationship between US and China is absolutely symbiotic: we get golf clubs of pretty good quality at much more affordable prices, and they increase their standard of living.

      We aren’t being exploited, we’re choosing cheaper goods for everyone at the expense of some domestic manufacturing jobs. That being said, I think you and I would both accept small increases in prices of goods if our government wanted to slowly shift the trade balance back towards the US. Okay, ending rant now.

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      I’m going to add a deeper, more thought provoking response when time permits, though after reading Ron’s first sentence, I absolutely have to respond to his first suggestion…”Go back to their roots iin the 80s”?…Dude, I don’t know when or if you ever played a FG iron, though the Staff “roots” as you referred to them, where bult long, long before the ’80s…The Dynapower line, which Snead & Palmer played and were legendary, to the degree that Hogan patterned his personal set after them, were manufactured from 1957-1975…The most iconic & legendary iron that Staff has ever produced, the FG17 Tour Blade, followed and took Staff into the 80s…

      Unfortunately, they did not follow up..They say that you never want to follow a legend and the 17s proved to be an impossible act to follow…

      Then you suggest getting rid of their logo?…”Cheap looking and means nothing”…Dude, your’e kidding, right?..Seriously, you’re being faciteous?…Or you’re the most clueless poster on this thread..Get rid of the Staff logo?…Wilson means nothing in golf..Nothing..Staff means everything!..

      Repeat after me: Wilson means nothing in golf..Staff means everything..In the 80s, when asked what I played, all I said was, ” the Tour Blade”..That’s it..Nothing more..And that’s all anyone who played Staff irons said..Wilson Staff is iconic..Wilson, means nothing, or the Sam Snead, Patty Berg or Blue Ridge irons, which like I said, means nothing…

      The Staff logo to a golfer, to a player, is like the Porshe emblem is to a sports car officianado, or the Mercedes star is to a car owner..Ironically it was Sam Snead who suggested that they adapt the name “Staff” on the irons that the tour staff played..Good idea huh?…

      The fact that Wilson drop kicked an iconic, legendary name in no way, shape or form takes away from that name because to this day the FG is as good a MB iron as is on the market…

      Ron, I’m hopin you’re not as clueless as those two suggestions suggest, however I gotta give it to ya, I’ve had a rough day, and ya made me laugh..Thaank you…

      The Best to ya this season…

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…

      Reply

      Sliq

      12 years ago

      Knock it off with the elipses or I’ll smash your hands with a hammer.

      RP Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      I know what an elipse is & it’s proper usage…I chose to use ’em in this manner, and will continue to do so..Figures what ya got outa my post was my improper use of an elipse…Impressive…Clueless, but impressive…lol….

      Fairways & Greens 4ever…..

    Leave A Reply

    required
    required
    required (your email address will not be published)

    This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

    Golf Wedges
    Apr 16, 2024
    Vokey WedgeWorks Low Bounce K Grind Wedge
    News
    Apr 16, 2024
    It Was A Masters To Forget For LIV Golf
    Golf Apparel
    Apr 16, 2024
    adidas Pioneers Next Generation of Lightweight Golf Garments
    ENTER to WIN 3 DOZEN

    Titleist ProV1 Golf Balls

    Titleist ProV1 Golf Balls
    By signing up you agree to receive communications from MyGolfSpy and select partners in accordance with our Privacy Policy You may opt out of email messages/withdraw consent at any time.