2014 MOST WANTED – DRIVER (Accuracy Awards)
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2014 MOST WANTED – DRIVER (Accuracy Awards)

2014 MOST WANTED – DRIVER (Accuracy Awards)

Straighter is Better Than Longer

Yesterday we announced our Most Wanted Drivers in the distance category. If you haven’t been keeping up with your Twitters, it’s fair to say the reaction to our results wasn’t universally well-received.  We expected the results from our test would ruffle some feathers though, industry change is rarely widely accepted in the beginning.   When you’re trying to change the status quo of how an industry works at its core, marketing over performance rather than performance over marketing you are going to have some push back.

But we are trying to put the consumer first and the companies last, because it’s the reader (golfer), not the golf companies that matter.

Moving on.  We’re going to put that behind us for now and get to the accuracy portion of our program. Yesterday was for the guys who don’t give a damn about hitting it straight, so long as they hit it far. Today we’re switching up the program. We won’t go so far as to say this is for the guys who don’t care how long they hit it so long as it’s straight, because, seriously, who here is willing to live with dead straight and only 200 yards when you could have 225 and 2 yards offline? Maybe for you it’s 300 and 8 yards offline. Either way it’s almost impossible to think about accuracy without some regard for distance.

Think about accuracy as a compromise. We know some of you would leave yards on the table if it meant more fairways. But how many more yards? What’s your number? That’s as personal as it gets in golf.

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truAccuracy

We didn’t invent accuracy, but we did invent the method we use to score it.

Trying to separate distance and accuracy is a tricky proposition. As we’ve pointed out before, short of balls that are hit directly on the target line, or those that curve directly to that line (but not past it), the longer a ball travels up the fairway (or into the tree line), the more offline it goes. Is it fair to punish a club for being 2 yards more offline because it was 10 yards longer?

We don’t think so.

So when we consider accuracy we do so with respect for distance. Essentially what we’re doing is normalizing every shot. How far offline would a given shot be if every shot from every club traveled exactly the same distance? That’s really what we’re looking at. It’s a formula we call truAccuracy (and hopefully we’re getting better at explaining it).

The Overall Accuracy score combines truAccuracy (to an extent reflected in yards offline) and fairway percentage. What we think is really cool about how we look at accuracy is that it allows us to identify those clubs that hit a high percentage of fairways, but also display tendencies to miss them by wider than average margins. You know…those clubs that are really straight, except when they’re really not.

As you’re consuming the data, please bear in mind that we’re working with relatively small numbers, so on a percentage basis, what looks like a lot, may not actually be significant. In fact, the differences between the most total fairways hit, and the least is only 4. As with most aspects of golf club performance, distinctions are subtle.

Declined to Participate

In case you’re just catching up, here’s the list of companies who were invited, but declined to participate in 2014’s Most Wanted Driver Test

  • Titleist
  • Miura
  • Bombtech
  • KickX (did not respond to multiple emails)

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I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that the G25 has earned a reputation as the most forgiving driver in golf (it’s that MOI thing again). It’s also the straightest.

While the calculated accuracy score is the highest in our test, in terms that every golfer can understand, the PING G25 was among the leaders in fairways hit, and put the ball consistently closer to the centerline than every other driver we tested.

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Tales of Cleveland Golf’s demise have been greatly exaggerated, and that’s pretty exciting.

While a bit of a dark horse that didn’t generate a whole lot of buzz during our test (it’s ok, we don’t deduct points for that), the Cleveland 588 Series very quietly proved itself to nearly as accurate as the G25. Damn.

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Yonex makes another appearance in the top 10. This time it’s with its player-centric I-EZONE TX Driver.

If we’re being honest, the TX didn’t provide the best fit for all of our testers, and we can’t help but wonder if a shaft that was too stiff to maximize distance may have helped maximize fairways. Either way, the Yonex I-EZONE TX may be worth a look for guys who love both smaller heads and playing from the short grass.

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Another surprise given it’s longer than average shaft, the Wilson D-100 ranks #4 in this year’s test.

While our testers at time suffered from higher than desirable spin, accuracy didn’t suffer for it. There’s definitely a slant towards slower swing speed players in the Wilson D-100 design, but who cares…it’s just so damn much fun to hit.

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Here’s just about everything you need to know about the Tommy Armour TA-26 845. Despite limited fitting options, or the big name appeal of most of the other clubs in this test, it still finished #5 for accuracy.

Now is a great time to mention that on its worst day the Tommy Armour TA-26 retails for $149, and often sells for as little as $99.

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Arguably the best driver in this test that you’re unlikely to find near you, the ONOFF Type S and D combo proved to be nearly as accurate as they are long.

Look closely, the ONOFF is one of only 2 drivers to best the PING G25 in fairway percentage.

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What it lacked in distance, the Krank Formula 5 nearly made up for in accuracy.

As it did when we tested the Krank Formula 5 by itself last summer, it hit more than its share of fairways while keeping shots tight to the center line.

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One of my personal favorites in the test, the Tour Edge XCG7 is a driver that needs to be on your demo list.

We loved what we saw from a distance perspective (particularly in the Beta head), and the accuracy numbers, as you can see, are nearly as good as anything else in the test. What don’t we like about the XCG7? Nothing.

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As it did day 1, our data suggests that the Swoosh is finally starting to figure this golf thing out on a scale that matters.

For those of you surprised to see Nike near the top again, allow me to offer a modest suggestion: Get used to hit. This is barely the beginning.

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Finally I have a reason (and a need) to talk about the Wilson FG Tour M3, and that makes me exceptionally happy.

As you can see, the accuracy numbers were solid, and while probably true of more than a few of the clubs in this test, the right shaft pairing, and the M3 climbs up the list in a hurry.

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The Who? Agent What? The guys at Sinister fought like hell to get into this test, and we’re glad they did.

Apart from producing some of the longest individual drives in the competition, like the Krank Formula 5, Sinister’s Agent Orange shows us that long drive roots don’t always translate to an abundance of missed fairways.

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MOST ACCURATE WINNERS – (HIGH SWING SPEED)

For those who want to drill down a bit further to get an idea how the top drivers performed for a distinct set of testers, we split players into two groups (by swing speed), and recalculated the scores for all the clubs in our test:

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Anybody sick of hearing about the PING G25 yet? I’d be sick of writing about it if it wasn’t so damn good.

Granted, the higher spin numbers probably cost our higher swing speed players some distance. Of course, if you accept that better scores start in short grass, than maybe sacrificing  a few extra yards for a few more fairways is an easy trade to make.

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It’s unfortunately likely that the Yonex I-EZONE TX is going to get lost in the shuffle. It’s not a club that should produce great results for everyone, and yet, it’s never far from the mix.

I’m not saying you should buy one (I’m not saying that about any of the clubs in this test), but traditionalists are going to love the way the I-EZONE TX looks at address, and that’s reason enough to take a few swings with it – assuming you can find one.

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How about instead of reading this text, you just picture me smiling. We still have one more day of results left, and I’ve already typed “Nike VRS Covert” (2.0) more than I did last season.

I’ve been trying to tell you guys for 3 years that Nike’s stuff is really good. We’re finally getting the numbers to prove it.

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How about this Tour Edge XCG7 Driver?

Comparatively speaking we like the Beta head better than the standard (and all of our high swing speed guys hit the Beta), but damn. Generally speaking, this is the best Tour Edge driver ever.

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I once hit the Cobra BiO Cell + so long and so straight I rolled it over the back of a green. True story. I have witnesses.

While testers didn’t necessarily love the feel (no points deducted for that either), the BiO Cell+ proved to be extremely accurate among our higher swing speed players. The aesthetics of the club are polarizing, but nearly everyone is onboard with more fairways.

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MOST ACCURATE WINNERS – (LOW SWING SPEED)

For those who want to drill down a bit further to get an idea how the top drivers performed for a distinct set of testers, we split players into two groups (by swing speed), and recalculated the scores for all the clubs in our test:

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Our lower swing speed players absolutely hammered fairways with the Wilson FG Tour M3.

Granted, the shorter you hit, the more likely it is to land in the short grass (that’s why I’m going broke supplementing retired guy’s incomes 2 bucks at a time), but 88.57% and 9.41 yards offline on average is a scary combo. I’d tell you I’d give up 10 yards for that, but I’d be lying.

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Our sub-100 MPH testers hit the ONOFF Type-D and they hit it extremely well.

You already saw the distance numbers; now have a look at the accuracy portion of the program.  92.12% of fairways and less than 10 yards offline. It borders on silly.

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Our speed challenged golfers hit the Cleveland 588 Altitude driver, and they hit it nowhere but straight.

The numbers are better than solid. 92.59% of fairways and just over 10 yards from the target line. I loved the Classic Series from the last couple of years, but there’s little doubt that the 588 is a much improved club.

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We’re going to have plenty to say about the Callaway Big Bertha Alpha when we go “Beyond the Numbers” Next week. And you know what; most of it is going to be extremely positive.

Today, let’s just focus on the excellent accuracy numbers, which included over 80% of fairways and less than 10 yards offline for our slower swing speed players. We’ll talk about the rest later.

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As much as I get the disappointment over Krank’s distance numbers, the accuracy numbers might qualify for the feel good story of the year.

We’re talking about a club with long drive roots (a sport where 10% of fairways can win championships) assumed to be for high swing speed guys only, showing itself to be among the most accurate.  We love that almost as much as 90%+ fairways hit and the sub 10 yard deviation from the centerline.

Coming Tomorrow – 2014’s Most Wanted Driver

Be sure to come back tomorrow to find out which of the 23 drivers is our 2014 Most Wanted Driver.

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      ROD_CCCGOLFUSA

      10 years ago

      I sat through the GD Hot List presentation at this year’s PGA show. They may have more rigorous testing with more testers, but they sit on the crucial comparative data. MGS is one of the only places to compare apples to apples—and find out about manufacturers who are not paying enormous amounts of ad money to get a gold star. Glad you mentioned that custom fitting has the potential to remove the small disparities in distance and accuracy. Ninety percent of my clients have been suffering with driivers that are too long, that do not have enough loft, and that have the wrong face angle for their accuracy and distance issues. Get fitted first, then buy what fits.

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      Jwells

      10 years ago

      I’d be interested to know what the results would be for someone like myself who routinely swings over 115 mph. I tried all of the drivers myself with stock shafts and found the Big Bertha Alpha grossly outperformed all others. Had way too much spin with the normal big bertha. Taylormade wasn’t bad, head shape not to my liking and couldn’t swing it as fast (with similarly weighted shaft). COvert 2.0 was a huge improvement over the original, but still not nearly as good as the Alpha.

      I know that the majority of golfers have a driver swing speed of less than 115 mph, but it would be nice to get some tests done with testers who do swing that fast with stock extra stiff shafts.

      Also, I have never considered using Callaway clubs in my life because I never liked how they looked. But now with the performance of the Alpha Driver and buttery feel of the Apex Pro Irons, I may go all Callaway this year! Funny how things change over time

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      The Artful Duffer

      10 years ago

      The Tommy Armour 845? Feel good story in the making right there.

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      Dwayne

      10 years ago

      Well, the Krank Formula 5 fared much better in the accuracy than the distance. Who’d thunk it?

      Personally, I find that very encouraging, and I am going to leave my Krank driver at an obscene 46″ and continue to swing like a maniac until my Srixions switch positions.

      Fore!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      Loz

      10 years ago

      I noticed that too. I know quite a few players who do swing relatively slowly and are very consistent, but I’d be surprised if the testers would hit 90% on the course. Something else I noticed is that the X2 Hot has the best fairways hit 73.09% (tied #1 with ONOFF) in the overall category yet finished #19. I really don’t understand that number. I guess it must mean that the near centre hits go very straight but the bad ones go really really wide which severely impacts the off line number.

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      Alain

      10 years ago

      Ping G25 doesnt work for me. I find the Alpha 830.4LX (not tested) longer by 15 – 20 yards than other drivers I have tried.

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      Bernard P.

      10 years ago

      G25 is the most accurate driver this year, but the same driver was near the bottom of the list in last year’s accuracy test. The accuracy leader last year was the Titleits 913D, unchanged and untested this year.

      http://mygolfspy.com/2013-most-accurate-driver/

      I am tempted to believe that despite you best intentions and all your efforts, the results are not statistically significant. Testing by real golfers instead of a swing machine seems to produce more variability than intrinsic performance differences between drivers.

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      Bob

      10 years ago

      Forgive me if somebody already touched on this, but I found the following stats amazing concerning fairways hit and yards offline:

      Over 100+ Swing Speed Top 4
      59% 18 yards
      58% 20 yards
      55% 21 yards
      56% 22 yards

      Under 100 Swing Speed Top 4
      88% 9 yards
      92% 10 yards
      92% 10 yards
      80% 10 yards

      Uhhhh, really? Swing slower and be W A Y more accurate? 88% vs. 59% fairways hit for the top performers? Are you kidding? Now if the distance difference is 20 or 30 yards then OK, I get it. But if it’s 10 or 15 yards, basically one club difference, I’ll swing slower every time if I can be roughly 29% more accurate.

      If this isn’t a testament to swinging ‘within yourself’ and ‘letting the club do the work’ I don’t know what is.

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      Jwells

      10 years ago

      20 or 30 yards? My guess is that it would be 50+ yards based on those accuracy statistics. The best players on tour are only slightly better than the top high swing speed guy and they hit it 290 on average. I could swing slow and hit 90% of fairways as well (yes, I’ve tried it) but the ball only goes 215-230 yards… my normal driver FLIES 290-305 in the air and I hit 60% of my fairways on average (on moderately tough courses). The thing to take from this is simply that those stats are based on existing swings, not stats that should make you want to decrease your swing speed. Swing as hard as you can until it stops feeling fluid. If you start swinging hard enough to where you end up off balance then you’ve gone too far. If you increase your swing speed by 5 mph, you won’t hit it any further if you can’t hit it near the center of the face.

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      annsguy

      10 years ago

      Adam,
      Careful what you wish for. My best friend left a good job to jump into the golf business with one of the Carlsbad gang. He did not last a year and a half and is very qualified. Even the big guys have issues.
      Rounds are down and some categories of product are just slow sellers.
      Still I agree it sounds fun and I think my friend loved it cause like you he loves the game.

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      annsguy

      10 years ago

      Adam, that reaction was to be expected.As I was getting ready to hang around the house during this snow/ice storm I read over the reviews on the GD Hot List.

      I swear this is true. Those companies who do not advertise have words like these used to describe their product.
      Serviceable,Reasonable,decent,Relatively consistent, sneaky long,useful, fairly good

      Versus the Big Advertisers.
      Longest,Best we tested,Highest rated,Very Consistent,Long PERIOD. Limitless distance

      By coincidence this is my last copy of GD. I tired of the expense to read the same stuff for many many years.

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      for sure…

      The guys leading the pack here are advertisers/marketers/innovators…possibly in that order. Part of the business.

      You have to love this industry though..i’d love to get in to it somehow. I wonder if Callaway has torn up my resume or if they save it in some sort of black list file.. probably in a room under the floor with purposely flashing florescent lights and spider webs everywhere…they are big on theater ya know.

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      adam

      10 years ago

      Coincidentally,,,or maybe not. Another online publication GOLFWR# just posted their review of the Big Bertha and BBA.

      Glowing! But bad news … the sample size was only one guy and not tested against any other club at all…if six guys over three days wasn’t enough …

      I’m sure they will quickly post their concerns with this testing method as well.

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      adam

      10 years ago

      oh if forgot the wink ;)

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      adam

      10 years ago

      THP also just re tweeted their review….for some reason.??

      If you are having trouble finding it once you get to the review page i understand. No you aren’t looking through kaleidoscope… the review is the one in the middle of all the Callaway ads.

      this is so much fun

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      barbajo

      10 years ago

      It’s interesting to note your testing is titled “The Most Wanted Driver,” not the “Best” driver. Your doing some pretty thorough testing (and one can argue about the “Gang of Six” forever, but who’s doing it better?) and saying “here’s what we came up with, now go figure it out for yourself.”

      After reading this yesterday I went to Golf Galaxy and gave everything I could find a whack. Results? With everything stock and set the way they were set (no tinkering), they all performed about the same for me for both distance and accuracy. Only difference was how I liked them on solid strikes. For me it was the SLDR, Alpha and I25. Just goes to show – setup and fit could take anyone of these drivers and move it to the top, bottom or middle…

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      Annsuy

      10 years ago

      Wow, at the least you guys have done two things. Given me something fun to read during a brutal snow/ice storm in Charlotte. And moved me to follow you on Twitter to see what all the fuss is about.Glad you are not worried about the bully from Carlsbad.
      Being a guy with two new knees and a slower swing speed the info from the accuracy test are of huge importance to my next purchase. So many things to consider.Your info and a good fitter will make it a fun golf season.No, I will not run out and buy the Ping driver. There are still things like cosmetics and gut feel that come into play. Thanks for the fair and balanced information.
      At the least i have been able to cut several companies off the shopping list.

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      JDB

      10 years ago

      “You can keep your extra 10 yards SLDR, I’ll keep the fairways.” said my Cleveland Custom.

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      Justin

      10 years ago

      Just want to quickly say Thank you MGS! Stick to your guns. A review without independence isn’t a review at all. It’s advertising! The last thing your true followers want is more marketing.
      I know that I don’t get the opportunity to swing every new club that comes on the market, so I look to MGS to cut through the BS and give me an idea based on their experience and scientific testing process. I still go and swing before I buy anything but I can arm myself with real outside knowledge when going into the purchasing process and that is a great help. I say again thank you and look upon with great pride the fact that massive golf manufacturers are responding emotionally to your little bitty website. If they are smart they should read every comment ever written on this site. This is their market right here speaking, sharing and communicating with each other and they can access this for free, what a gift.

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      Tom

      10 years ago

      Would really have found it helpful to know what shafts were used….sice they are the engine of the club. These heads are all so similar that I would bet that your results are more than likely determining the best shafts…also can you provide a list beyond the top 5 for high swing speeds?

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      Krizar

      10 years ago

      The Covert 2.0 has shown up quite a bit in the top rankings of both days…maybe a surprise winner?

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      RAT

      10 years ago

      Well ,I liked the test and my favorite club did ok 1st in the below 100 mph class. The M-3 Wilson staff and the D100 also did well. I would want a straighter drive over the longer crooked drive any day. I take the data as a close base line but not the gospel. The player should consider many other things like feel, looks , sound and how you feel when hitting it. Does it give you confidence . You will not always hit it on the screws and to the spot you aim for in the fairway. Everyone has a favorite brand and that’s ok. Major brands they want bragging rights and that’s ok too but there just can’t be 15 yards gained each year if so there would be 500 to 600 yard drives get real the shaft is the engine , the faces are limited as to what is allowed cor, moi and etc. I much more like this testing than the Golf digest one. Good job MGS! I know that Callaway was crying on twitter but it is what it is.. Move on .

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      MikeB

      10 years ago

      I would like to second one of the comments mad yesterday about adding another swing speed catagory. Let’s say under 90 mph, 90 to 105, and 105 and over. Unedr 100 mph isn’t really slow if you’re around 95 to 99 mph. BTW this year’s results show how unscietific your results are based on the G25 results compared to last year. It may be a fun read, but nothing very valid.

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Due respect, Mr.B, but you’re basically looking at one thing, and assuming several others. Yes, the PING G25 performed better this year. As we do after every big test, we examine how we do things, talk to others within the industry and make whatever improvements we can.

      In addition to the control club, we made several key changes to how we calculate the data itself this year. The two most significant of those changes are that: we no longer drop the lowest performing score for each club. The PING G25 was an exceptionally consistent performer. Dropping the lowest performing score for the other clubs actually worked against the G25 last year.

      The second change (and we’ve discussed this already) is that we chose to be less aggressive in the numbers shots we culled from the greater hurd. Essentially we kept more of the shots that were less than perfect strikes. Again, the G25 was relatively consistent (fewer bad shots), and as with those added off-center strikes in the mix, averages for many other clubs dropped by a larger degree.

      I get that you’re a natural malcontent, and that’s absolutely fine, but I wanted to make sure you have a more detailed understanding of what it is that’s making you miserable.

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      flaglfr

      10 years ago

      Quick question. Does any of the test data identify the difference between top notch shafts (Matrix 7M3 as an example) and lower quality stock shafts. I believe this should effect both distance AND accuracy.

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      golfer4life

      10 years ago

      Seems testing should open a lot of eyes to how close products are. The club you can hit the most consistent should be the one that goes in the bag.

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      Charlie

      10 years ago

      if anything these tests, once you really look into the data, show just how little difference their is between clubs.

      i willing to bet that the g25 is a top 3 club, but they could conduct this test a month from now with same players and club #12 could move to #3 pretty easily.

      I think this would be reason why a company like Titleist would not give a test club. They win based on marketing, and all this test shows is how little difference there is between clubs. If they are even slightly off on distance or accuracy for the test, they could easily drop in this test to the bottom of the pack. I’m betting a lot of readers look at the bottom 5 clubs as ‘not very good’, when in reality they are damn near identical to the top 5 in actual stats.

      today’s technology and limits placed on it, all of these drivers are so similar that it comes down to selling a club based on marketing, hype, looks, and a cool new way to adjust …aka ‘slider’

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      Well Titleist won it in accuracy last year at least for 100+ guys….if you are right they could easily have lost their seat and still been pretty low in the distance contest. Not a bad strategy really. Cant lose the title if you don’t fight. Although I’ve hit the 913 7.5 degree against a G25. I’m not sure they wouldn’t have won the accuracy again.

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      not to mention it beat the G25 last year for accuracy…by a decent margin…interesting

      Adam

      10 years ago

      second post was a mistake wish we could edit these…actually maybe i should just be more careful

      Markb

      10 years ago

      My my reading, Titleist DID win this competition without entering.

      It beat the same G25 last year, so it can argue that its #5 ranked 2013 club has only the SLDR as a possible rival this year. Who knows if the SLDR is better or worse than the 913d2? Everybody else below the G25 can go fish.

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      Markb

      10 years ago

      This is actually a BRILLIANT strategy by you guys at MGS. By making the G25 the winner this year, you make clubs from Cally, TMag, and Titleist all arguably winners as well! All four bigs are happy.

      RC GOLFER

      10 years ago

      I’m hanging on to every word, and I love the suspense aspect. Some readers obviously think that the G25 will win, but they may be overlooking things like high swing speed vs. low swing speed and how that factors in the overall assessment. Being a Roger Dunn junkie, I’ve played a lot of these clubs with my own shaft. I couldn’t squeeze the same distance out of the G25 that I get from the Slider…but for some reason I hit my (Acushnet offering) about the same distance as the Slider. I was more accurate with the G25 no doubt, but I was trading 15 yards and that makes a big difference…I’m not looking to be in the center of the fairway, I just want to be within 10 yards of where I’m aiming, but I want shorter shots in so I can control my approach better. I’m surprised at the G25 distance findings…I’m sticking to being crazy long with the Slider!

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      Another thing not addressed in this study, although it would be impossible, is older heads that hit the ball just as far. I use a 350cc La Jolla driver head on a new X-flex 45 inch UST Elements RK shaft that was fitted to me and I can bomb the ball with it. I also made a 48 inch 400cc La Jolla driver with a Penley XXX shaft. I can hit it about 30 yards farther (300 yards give or take) as long as I don’t try to kill it. The backspin is in the high 3000s, but it goes straight. and doesn’t run into the rough. It took some adjustments before I could consistently hit it straight. I am 64.

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      Bob

      I’ve heard this a lot. I don’t have a swing that is consistently enough to test it but there those that are able and have posted on other sites. The tester basically hitting an 8-10 yr old BB driver ( that looks like a three wood from today by the way) up against one of the new offerings. An Inch or two longer shaft and comparably lighter weight. Once two similar swing shots were produced the new club only produced something like 10 yds extra distance if that with 10 years of tech in it and a 2 in ch longer shaft. If the shafts matched on center strikes the difference would not be significant enough to call it. However what he did find was in attempting to produce two purposely slight missed shots with nearly identical club numbers was that the newer models improvements were really more in forgiveness as the older models distance loss and directional control of a low toe shot was much greater (more than 2x that of the new club).

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      **auto correct above making my already poor grammar look even worse above **….I don’t have a swing that is consistent enough.

      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      Something apparently not addressed in these tests is that a ball hit in the fairway will roll farther than a ball hit into the rough. More accuracy can mean more distance in addition to an easier second shot.

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      mnfats95

      10 years ago

      I had to go read the twitter feed after all of the comments here.

      Are those actual employees or just big fans?

      Are they arguing about drivers or politics because I couldn’t tell the difference. : )

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      mikew

      10 years ago

      Thanks for the work. I’m playing a Xhot pro now with great results. Going to try the G25 and the Cleveland 588 do to the testing

      thanks again

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      hckymeyer

      10 years ago

      I do think it’s funny that we have less than 50 comments so far on accuracy day and not many complaints, but on distance day it was over 100 by this time and twitter was blowing up. I guess we know what the most important feature of a driver is now :)

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      barbajo

      10 years ago

      Brian – you have a way of cutting through the noise. Yup – it’s the long ball!

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      Fred Smith

      10 years ago

      I personally don’t understand why so much emphasis is placed on swing speed. I’d rather know how a club performs in the hands of a player with a similar handicap, which is generally a fair representation of how close to the middle of the face and how well they square the club face to the ball. I really don’t care if someone swings at 120mph but never hits a fairway. I want to how it performs in certain defined scenarios, toe, heel, high low, open, closed etc and think robots can only really give a fair representation of this. If a club is so good it allows a 28 hcp to hit far more fairways then I’d take notice, but ultimately you can’t defy the laws of physics. If you don’t return the club square you won’t hit fairways no matter what technology is in the head or shaft.

      Fred

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      Fred

      Hey just thought I would chime in. I think that using handicap as a way of choosing a certain segment of driver or as a evidence of general quality of strike is common but misused method. I know many high handicapers that hit the center 95% of the time but struggle with short game, overall distance, or putting . I know several like myself, currently close to scratch, that struggle some days to find the center but make up for that in scrambling ability, course management, and short game.

      If you are keen to see strike quality vs results find a player with the lowest smash factors in the date results “soon to be released”. This could indicate an individual who hits them out the middle a little less often and compare their club results in accuracy to see which hold up the best for that player.

      They will also post a beyond the data article that may fill in the blanks you are looking for as well.

      also bringing up robots here is a good way to get run out on a rail…just FYI

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      Anyone else reading any of the twitter feed? Is it just me or does the reaction from certain parties/brands just really turn you off of them? I’m sure there are some devotees here and I understand wanting your horse to win but if you represent a company dont turn red faced, flail your hands, and stomp your feet right out in front of everybody. Bad mouthing a test that you no less than a year ago touted when your brand was on top and that you obviously approved of since you agreed to send product…… its gross man its just gross

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      mygolfspy

      10 years ago

      COMMENT OF THE DAY!

      Send me an email to contact (at) mygolfspy.com and we will get a prize out Adam. Thanks for joining in the conversation.

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      TxGolfJunkie

      10 years ago

      Just read their twitter stuff…good grief some folks need to get a life. And yes, it seems to be fanboys of one particular company. I don’t understand it. Why get your panties in a wad over something like this? So your beloved driver didn’t perform well in this test…I guess we better put them on blast in social media and call it flawed!

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      Obee-Kay-Bee

      10 years ago

      Agreed!!! I can’t believe that such a huge OEM would put up such a stink. Were they not afforded the same tests as all the other manufactures?! It’s crazy to me that you would cry like a toddler who just got their binky taken away in such a public forum in front of thousands of potential customers! I don’t currently game any of their clubs and now never will!!! Even if it did happen to work for me! I would choose the next best option. I do however game one of there balls and now feel it’s time for a change (I just need to figure out what to do with the four dozen I already have stocked up?) I don’t even want my lowly mid hadicap game associated with poor sportsmanship! Shame on you! I’m only one average guy, but I would hope to think there will be others who feel the same!

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      Devils advocate…
      I don’t have any Callaway clubs in my bag right now . Not for brand loyalty or dislike. Simply for performance . I found some that worked better for my swing and not that anyone is asking but I’m not recommending we throw all the Callaway clubs in a pile and burn them. “don’t judge the many by the few ” and all that.

      I’m also sure there are a lot of good people over there…probably including some that made the comments. That doesn’t change the fact that the comments (coming across as extremely immature in my opinion ) never should have been made especially not in a public arena.

      If we start boycotting whole companies based on whether or not they employ any hot heads, d -bags, sore losers, or the occasionally impatient we are going to be widdling our own clubs out of the birch trees in our own back yards.

      Gil B.

      10 years ago

      I fully expected the Ping driver to be at the top of each and every testing category but when I saw my favorite line of clubs, the Cleveland driver up there, my eyes bugged out with joy. I believe in Cleveland products and now I have the confidence that buying a new driver is not a total waste of my money, or my time. I can’t wait for the final tally of all the testing results and how the Cleveland driver rates. Thanks GolfSpy.

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      Lot of fun guys-Thanks. Reviewing the articles and posts I think certain things are apparent. Golfers that are brand loyal will use the results to justify keeping their current brand (Titleist) Those have inherent hatred for a particular brand will use the results to steel their resolve and the surprises in the tests (disappointing results for Callaway or better than expected results for Wilson and Powerbuilt) may influence us to alter our wish list for this year’s shopping spree. Personally, if I dip into the new driver pool this year, the one that feels the best and delivers the most pleasing trajectory on the range will be coming home. Then I’ll start swapping out shafts and start the process anew next year.

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      Shark

      10 years ago

      Wow. Surprising. Considering my testing of the g25 showed it to be accurate but woefully short I’m surprised it did ok in distance.
      I am not a big hitter but not short either.
      I swing 95-101, ballspeed about 140 and I tested the ping with 7 others. The ping was shortest. With stock stiff in all I barely went over 200. I swung the sldr and instantly went up to 250. Almost all were the same, the bio cell, Adams new driver, Callaway Bertha & alpha, titleist, etc etc etc. The best was a surprise the older r1 won with 260 avg & 2 in a row of 274 with less than 5 yards offline.
      The ping I revisited during session thinking I needed to warm up but uh no…. 201 in air and kerplunk. Not for me.

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      Thanks MGS, it looks like Ping and TM are the winners this year. I do think it is awesome that there is such little variance between all the drivers when it comes to distance and accuracy. This goes to show that there really are not that many bad drivers out there and it goes to show how important fitting is. I bet all these drivers would be pretty spot on if you were allowed to have all the shaft combos that you get with a regular fitting. Awesome work and congrats to Ping and TM they have always been my favorite two.

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      Eric

      10 years ago

      3 yds-5 yds separate winners from losers. Thank you for confirming that I play the driver that feels and looks the best to me, cause I now know the performance of all these drivers are about the same. I can finally stop buying drivers. I am set for at least 5 years. You guys just saved me a bunch of money. Thnks

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      Filbert

      10 years ago

      I am with you! I need to hone a consistent swing and not expect a driver to un-do all the things that I can screw up. I would love to have a new driver, just because. But my RAZR x Black is the best I have ever hit and can’t justify shelving it for most any reason. I tried a new RAZR x Black 3 wood because I loved the driver. But I could not hit it worth beans and am back to my six year old clone three wood. For me anyway, its not the club that is holding me back.

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      Leo

      10 years ago

      Exactly. These results are a big turn off actually, for someone that gets excited about club technology. They are all the same!

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      Jack B

      10 years ago

      Data is very interesting, the tour Edge product is always the lower spin and lower launch angle.

      Going up a degree in loft should make it a beast.

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      TxGolfJunkie

      10 years ago

      I find it humorous how folks show their loyalty to one golf brand or another. I guess it’s our equivalent of being fans of various college/pro teams. Point is, how you interpret these results is up to you. You can take them as the absolute truth or you can take them with a grain of salt and do some personal research. I love what MGS is doing with these tests. I can’t imagine the amount of time and effort it took to get everything done and written up…all for the benefit of the reader, not to please golf companies. This is truly an unbiased test that doesn’t give out medals based on advertising dollars. These tests provide us with ACTUAL DATA/RESULTS. I have actually purchased golf equipment solely based on the outcome of tests like these on MGS. However, in the world of golf equipment, always keep an open mind and go get fitted. Just because the Pros like it doesn’t mean it will work for you. I went into a driver fitting expecting to leave with a Titleist or Callaway but left with a *gasp* TaylorMade. I do love seeing the smaller market manufacturers getting high marks on these tests!

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      robby

      10 years ago

      Well said!!

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      It is interesting that most of the backlash is coming from guys who have a certain company’s logo in their Avatar, and even in their online handles. I get it, but some of the stuff they’re saying has no basis in reality, and some of them have never actually hit the drivers they’re defending. “My favorite didn’t win…so and so gained 15 yards with a full fitting, so your test is invalid”. Yawn.

      For a driver with minimal fitting options (9°) only (moveable weights and gravity cores are not magical things that eliminate all other fitting issues), Alpha, I think performed very well.

      The most talk is around our use of only 6 testers…we’ll continue to look into that, but it’s amazing that the assumption is that if we had more testers, then performance would have been improved. More testers, in this specific example, simply means more guys for whom the driver offers inadequate fitting options.

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      TxGolfJunkie

      10 years ago

      Like I’ve learned in life, you can’t please everyone. I believe the testing is significant to produce results with integrity. If it was one guy or tests performed by a swing robot, that would cause people to dimiss the results a little quicker. Until folks/readers realize this is one of the most unbiased, legit club tests you’ll find available to the general public, then you will have to deal with the naysayers. It’s a shame. If the 6 testers tried to find the optimal setting and best shaft for each of the drivers, the testing would take months of consistent testing, and by then, new clubs would already be released. LIke Sweet Brown said, ain’t nobody got time for that. The level-headed folks understand this constraint. Keep up the hard work.

      SMRT

      10 years ago

      I used to hit nothing but Ping drivers so I am not surprised that the G25 is doing very well. I would probably have given it a try last year but after denting the face of two G20’s, I lost all confidence that their drivers would survive for more than a couple of months for me. I am glad to see the Sinister Agent Orange make the Top 10 here because that is what I am using for my LD clubs now and I love it!

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      You mentioned yesterday that most of your testers have a strong to slightly downward angle of attack I cant seem to find the post so forgive me if this is backtracking. Do any of your high swing speed guys have a + AoA? I swing up at about +3 and In my experience many of these spins are high and launches are low.
      – if the answer is no-
      Wouldn’t it be worth your while to have at least one tester that represents a higher swing speed and + AoA? I say that without any real idea of how difficult it is for you to find testers much less ones that fit within specific ranges.

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Our highest swing speed player is generally around +5 AoA. One of the sub-100 guys is roughly +3. Two more around zero (+/- 1.5°). One slightly more negative. Lowest is strongly negative (-5 give or take)

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      joro

      10 years ago

      Glad and surprised to see the D-100 Wilson right up there. I have all D-100s in me bag and they are surprisingly good clubs. The Driver is really light and great for Seniors. It got me back out there where I was when I was younger, and much straighter. It is a great club and glad to see it recognized.

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      blstrong (SeeRed)

      10 years ago

      Thanks again, guys. Lots of surprises so far. Looking froward to tomorrow’s finale.

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      emac40

      10 years ago

      I’ve got to be honest, I really don’t understand all the critisim regarding the testing results from yesterday and today’s article. I would say it’s fairly comprehensive, although not perfect. BTW, nothing is. They’ve removed all the BS rankings for marketing buzz, looks, etc. It’s normal guys, with various swing speeds, evaluting the best driver for them. Not unlike what most of us do when we walk into our neighborhood big box store or driving range. Why not use the info as a baseline of what to evaluate given your needs and stop using it as the Be All End All to justify your latest purchase. If you are looking for MGS to validate your purchase, you don’t need a club test, you need therapy. There is no BEST, only what fits you best.

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      I appreciate the implementation of the data averages in each clubs post/picture vs last years. Makes quick comparisons much easier.

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      fleeter

      10 years ago

      The G25 takes it all and wow! I love my G25 – best driver I’ve ever owned. I’ve never hit more fairways more consistently and I can’t wait to start swinging it this year! The sldr might be a bit longer but the point and shoot G25 (line it up and that’s where it goes) takes it all!!!!
      Way to go Ping!

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      Dave S

      10 years ago

      Awesome write-up!

      This really leaves no doubt as to what the Most Wanted Driver will be… the G25. Not gonna lie, I kinda like the fact that Ping is going win with last years driver… if this were TM, you’d have been testing the G40 by now!

      One thing that does strike me odd though is that while the G25 did very well last year, it didn’t even finish in the top 5 of the final rankings… but the Anser did! I wonder if this is more of a reflection on the quality of this year’s clubs or just that this year’s tester population was better with the G25 than last years. Guess we probably won’t ever know that since the tester population is not static year over year… this would be ideal, but probably not logistically feasible.

      Thanks again guys… really looking forward to digging into the final data!

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      charles

      10 years ago

      Just got Wilson FG M3.Love this driver.As straight as Titleist, more horsepower on center hits.Get the 60 gr. shaft.

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      Kenneth

      10 years ago

      I don’t know if I missed this somewhere, but what stopped you from getting your own drivers from the companies that declined to participate and test anyway? Why did you need their buy-in?

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      Jim

      10 years ago

      Surprised on the ranking of the Krank formula 5. Purchased 1 last summer and was GREATLY disappointed. 15 yds shorter than my K-15 and all I could do was slice it!! I am normally a slight draw or straight hitter with my drivers. Anyone interested in a super price on a slightly used Krank, email me.

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      Krank Golf

      10 years ago

      Sorry to hear this Jim, Did you give us a call and see what were able to do for you? Thanks

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      Jim

      10 years ago

      Yes, I contacted the company several times. They sent out a weight kit which did some good but I still sliced. The shaft feels whippy to me but I went thru a verbal fitting prior to purchase.

      Troy

      10 years ago

      Thanks for the info and results, I must admit I was surprised at the results.
      I will be doing my own demo of the Callaway line of clubs next weekend and will be interested to see how my results vary.

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      Rick S.

      10 years ago

      I’m always curious who’s doing the testing and what types of golf swings are doing them. While I haven’t tried a number of these, I did own an SLDR last year for about 3 weeks. A little further but definitely more inaccurate than my 913D2. I’ll try the G25 this spring and see if my numbers are any better.

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      Joe

      10 years ago

      Most of the time, I am really into the new equipment testing, but this test, and it’s results, seem ridiculous.

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      Adam

      10 years ago

      care to expand on that

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      Joe

      10 years ago

      Well for starters, most if not all, are adjustable drivers. There is no way that they tested out the 33-294 different settings (an exaggeration), for every single driver. And the setting that works for one, maybe totally opposite for the other.

      Adam

      10 years ago

      Joe

      Firstly , “most” drivers on the market ARE adjustable now especially off the rack. Secondly..
      This is part of the testing I believe they find settings/stock shaft option that performs as close to optimal for each player . Then continue with the test. No different than a fitter, you, or I would do for ourselves in testing stock clubs on a monitor. This was explained at least once if not several times.
      ” Tony Covey February 10, 2014 at 12:44 pm
      Testers were given as much time as they felt the needed to warm up. That said, we did randomize the order (making sure each club was hit once by each tester in the front, middle, and end of their respective rotation) to try and minimize the implications of fatigue and over-freshness.

      Absolutely…we made full use of adjustability where we we could.”

      Joe

      10 years ago

      And there is no definitive answer, or winner, when just a small margin separates 1st from 18th…distance or accuracy.

      Adam

      10 years ago

      THAT is probably valid. But there is an answer in that lack of a strong definitive winner. Simply that there isn’t one. Go get fit and try them for yourself! There is likely to be a more definite leader for you personally.

      Adam

      10 years ago

      You are more likely to find use in the individual results or even the categories that break down testers by swing speed if you are a looking for better direction on what you want to go test. When the data is released you can go in and find a player or players that most closely match your personal stats and see how clubs performed for them. Not an exact science because there are a lot of variables that will still separate those players from you since golf swings are like snowflakes and fingerprints… There are a lot of moving targets here really especially for a game that involves hitting a ball that sits in front of you on the ground towards a stationary pin in a hole.

      all they can do here is make a fuzzy picture a little less fuzzy

      Joe

      10 years ago

      Sure, it does put some in the right direction… No testing can replace going to the range, and hitting balls, and adjusting the clubs to fit what you want. There are certain brands that over the years work for me, and those are the brands that I’ll return to when in the market.

      TxStCatman

      10 years ago

      Really exciting to see these results. I’m kind of a borderline swingspeed guy… generally around 98-105 depending on how loose I am. I really like that the M3 did well for sub-100 speeds, and wonder what it would do with the right shaft combo and setting. Same thing for the G25, might have to get in a bay and have a test with them against my Covert Tour/6.2TS combo.

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      Mpm1163

      10 years ago

      What does this say about the drivers present that G25 driver was 13th most accurate last year? Does not make sense to get hyped up about it when in fact it was blown out of the water last year in this department.

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      Jim

      10 years ago

      Looks like a toss up between the Ping G25 and the TM SLDR, but the G25 seemed to finish better in all categories. I love my G20 driver and am not at all surprised that the G25 is performing so well, besides it seems that all the Ping tour players use it as well which says a lot too. I am surprised that the two Big Berthas didn’t do that well, especially after all the hype. Looking forward to the final results (and the for the snow to melt – oh look yet another storm coming tomorrow, yippee).

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      markb

      10 years ago

      Ping G25 – a driver from 2013 (or earlier) wins the whole shooting match! COR limitations prove triumphant! Manufacturers cease all R&D efforts and stock prices tumble! Owners of the Callaway Xhot, Taylormade RBZ 2, Taylmormade R1, Ping Anser and Titleist 913d2 rejoice because their old drivers beat this year’s winner!

      So the real winner turns out to be Titleist, who in its hubris refuses to even compete and still comes out ahead.

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      Chris

      10 years ago

      This is perhaps the most telling comment IMO. It raises a legitimate question about the reliability of the rankings from such a small number of testers: only 6. With the new test protocol used this year does it mean last year’s results are invalid? What makes this year’s rankings more reliable? I very much like the ambitious idea of providing an unbiased data driven ranking of drivers, BUT, practicalities aside, isn’t a larger group of testers needed to accomplish this goal? Having said this, I still find the whole exercise to be interesting.

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Chris, I think you’re looking for a boolean answer to what is not so black and white. After every test we perform (especially one of this magnitude) we go back and look at the numbers, we talk to the golf companies, and we listen to well-reasoned feedback from our readers.

      In short, we re-examine everything. This isn’t any different that what most golf companies do after a performance test, and it’s safe to assume the same is true of the Hot List as well. “How can we do this better?” is a question everyone asks themselves, and if they don’t, they’re not trying.

      My feeling is that we can either pat ourselves on the back and tell ourselves how we absolutely nailed it, or we can do whatever we can to get a little bit better. Improvement requires change. I’m good with that.

      Do we think 6 is an ideal number? No…not for a minute. But we have gone to great lengths to make sure the 6 guys we use represent a broad range of the golfing population. Anyone who believes that, if we had simply used more testers, a middle of the pack driver would have risen to the top, is borderline delusional.

      What’s irked me tremendously about some of the negativity around this test is that some will see something they don’t like and assume that we’re just pulling all of this out of our asses. There are difficult decisions to be made at every step of the way, and none of those decisions are made without a tremendous amount of thought. Unlike golf companies who do testing largely for in house purposes, our system must also lend itself well for presentation to our readers. It is an immensely complicated task.

      Should we increase the number of testers and hit fewer shots with each club? Should we exclude drivers and limit the field to 10 or 12 so we can optimize the other variables? Can you have the best test if guys like Krank, Sinister, and PowerBilt don’t get a seat at the table? Where do you draw the line between what shots to keep and what you drop? Is it arbitrary..”that *looks* like a bad shot”. Is it firm “toss the worst 5 and move on” (then you have to decide what to base worst on – is it distance, is it accuracy, is it total driving). What about trimming the statistical outliers? Do you trim just the low end, or do you trim the best couple of shots with each club simply because, even though the data is perfectly valid, they fall outside of the normal range? Do you trim based on distance alone, or do you look at launch angle and spin rates, and swing speed?

      We reexamine these questions after every test, and seek the answers that will provide better results for the reader and improve the overall quality of our tests. It can’t be one or the other.

      To to answer your question. No, last year’s test isn’t invalid. It was a very good test. This year, we’re just a little bit better.

      flaglfr

      10 years ago

      Tony,
      I agree with many that your site and the work you do is of great value. You try to give everybody an even shot at the test no matter what it is. I think you and the MGS team should be commended for this and other tests/information you try to put out that is minus company spin. My concern is that some of the differences may be due to improvements in shafts and some due to club head changes. Can we separate club head performance gains from shaft performance gains? If so, how and has this been pondered as a potential test either in the past or for the future?

      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      We’ve looked at several different ways to test:

      1. Stock vs. Stock (as we do now).
      2. Same shafts in each head.
      3. Custom vs. Custom

      While we absolutely believe everyone should be custom fit, our test is a bit of a concession to the fact that many (actually most) won’t. Most golfers still compare off the rack to off the rack, and then ultimately buy off the rack. In that respect, our test most closely mirrors the majority buying experience.

      Same shaft was always something that intrigued us, but most consumers don’t think in those terms. With “our” stock shaft, the club would likely perform differently (for better or worse than it would with stock), and in many cases, we’d be testing a configuration that the consumer can’t actually buy (even through custom). There is also something to the idea that OEMs to specifically match stock shafts with heads to achieve certain results (usually fit the fattest part of the curve), to an extent, we’d be tossing all of that (valid or otherwise) out the window.

      We considered custom vs. custom, but then you introduce the potential for $700 drivers into the mix (golfers aren’t buying many of those either), and we’d also be introducing the fitter himself as the variable. To use 2 companies that didn’t participate as the example: Did Titleist really outperform Bombtech, or did they simply have a better fit and/or a more robust cart?

      We asked ourselves these very same questions when we conceived of these tests, and we continue to reassess after every one. Every time we asks ourselves “What If…” the answers we find yield even more questions. What we have learned is that NOTHING is ever nearly as easy as it sounds.

      We’ve come to terms with the fact that there is no such thing as a perfect test. We do our best, learn, and bust ass to get better.

      It’s always a fine line we walk (and it’s a source of never-ending contention internally). Readers appreciate consistency and the notion that each review can be directly compared to everything that came before it. I want to get better…push the limits, and that means things change (and change means direct comparisons go out the window). Every time I’ve said THIS is IT, I’ve reconceived of a way to make it incrementally better. So as we always do, we’ll reassess after this test, look for ways to grow and improve (and perhaps even change some of the language that makes people uncomfortable)…everything really.

      Short story long – nothing is ever off the table, but no decisions are ever made lightly either.

      AWOL

      10 years ago

      Tony,
      I believe the way you test the clubs (stock vs stock) is the best way to do it. For me i always get fitted properly with irons, but for drivers, i usually buy what plays the best off the rack and on the monitor. For me i am a high launch, high spin player already, so usually i end up having to buy some ridiculous $300 shaft after my purchase to get the right results. I can never afford to buy a $700-$800 dollar driver right off the rack. And with adjustable drivers most people can get desired results with a little tweaking using stock options. If there are people like me that have a favorite shaft, then i can pretty much assume if i have my favorite shaft and i bought a SLDR head i would get the longest results. You are right any other way of testing puts you in the same pickle. If you all did the same shaft then you could assume that one of you, the shaft would be an improper fit leading to bad results as well. The only way to actually test the quality of the heads would be in a very controlled environment. For example same shafts on all heads being hit by a robot. Then we know that those results might show differences in heads but those result are not reality. No one swings that perfect. Keep up the good work!!!

      AWOL

      10 years ago

      Ohh… one other thing i always thought accuracy results were a better testament to club head design. We all know a shaft can positively or negatively affect your accuracy, but i think there are more design elements in club heads then shafts that contribute higher. The G25 probably has one of the highest MOI like the G20 had which helps in the accuracy bit. For shits and giggles you should put that G25 head on a SLDR shaft and see the results.

      Gordon

      10 years ago

      Hey guys, I don’t know if its just my crap pc, but the last line on a few of the explanations is covered buy the “buy” link boxes.
      Happy with the results and gearing up to go hit a few of these bad buys at my local shop!! PUMPED!!

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      Adam Huckeby

      10 years ago

      Looking at the G25 performance last year vs this year in each respective category it really makes you appreciate how close…even last years.. results were for these clubs.

      It also makes it clear that since we are dealing with different testers how subjective these results are to the people that are swinging the clubs. MGS has said it over and over. Get fit test in your own hands club vs club.
      I would wager that if you brought in last years testers this year and had them test the same clubs over again that the results would be different, similar maybe but even slight changes in results that are this close could cause some major shifting in the rankings.

      Don’t get me wrong I don’t think there is a better way to test and MGS isn’t forcing us to take the information any one way… but I hope readers appreciate the information for what it is. As Tony said the percentage differences here are very small ,seemingly significant because of the small sample size.

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      Adam Huckeby

      10 years ago

      ….and the fact the differences percentage or not…are simply very very small

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      Adam Huckeby

      10 years ago

      Tony

      Id be interested to hear your thoughts on what might happen in a retest one year later same clubs, same players.

      Langbraten74

      10 years ago

      2nd in distance and 1st in accuracy (with the distance winner on 15th place)…combined with a competitive price and fairly traditional looks! How could anyone but G25 win? I would definitly accept the 5 yard loss from SLDR to get more forgiveness. I am beginning to regret my chioce to buy the Anser last year…

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      P-Dub

      10 years ago

      Wilson Staff showing up where it counts. More fairways, lower scores.

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      DB

      10 years ago

      Very interesting results. Looks like PING might win. I’m not surprised, I love my g25.

      I have to say though, I wish there was some way to use more than 6 testers. I’m not sure how valid results are with a sample size of 6.

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      Ron

      10 years ago

      TEAM NIKE!! Yessssir

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      john

      10 years ago

      Yep, 3rd place in the slow swinger’s category with the non-tour head – call your mommy and tell her all about it!!

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      Ron

      10 years ago

      Relax john. The MGS staff has said some great things about the Nike drivers this year. Im talking big picture here. Sheesh Buzzkill. (Incase you missed it guy who lives in his mom’s basement drinking up all the orange juice paper route having lame)

      How about instead of reading this text, you just picture me smiling. We still have one more day of results left, and I’ve already typed “Nike VRS Covert” (2.0) more than I did last season.

      I’ve been trying to tell you guys for 3 years that Nike’s stuff is really good. We’re finally getting the numbers to prove it.

      Ron

      10 years ago

      3rd place overall johnny! Like I said before you rudely opened your piehole TEAM NIKE!!

      Scott

      10 years ago

      Ping25 is going to win.

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      Brandel Stumblee

      10 years ago

      Interesting stuff. These tests basically confirmed what I’ve seen from my own. I can’t wait to see the final results but I suspect the Tour Edge EGC7 will be the top big dog for distance and accuracy. The SLDR is the longest but only by a small margin over the XGC7, the G25 is the most accurate. I cannot get the performance out if the G25. I loved the G20 but the G25 spins to much.

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      Crow

      10 years ago

      Wow, the G25 looks like it was amazing to hit. I have an I20 and I think that my spin number are not high enough, I am losing some yardage. I may have to try out the G25 to see what it looks like with my swing. Great testing, I have been looking forward to this test since last years test.

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