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Demo Day Goal: Just Hitting or Actually Fitting?

by Dave Wolfe

What Are Your Demo Day Expectations?

When you go to a demo day to hit stuff, what are your expectations? Do you just go to test out the new stuff for the sake of testing it, or do you really expect to find something that will make your bag? I tend to just bang balls with the new stuff, with my whole assessment of worth being limited to something along the lines of oh, that’s nice.

I may not know much about club fitting, but I know enough to know that the demo day environment isn’t particularly conducive to custom fitting. There are hoards of golfers swinging the inventory, and booth reps are often scrambling just to keep pace with the checkouts and returns.

If you ask, they can sometimes put your preferred shaft in a club, but odds are they can’t really make valuable fitting suggestions in that environment. At least that’s what I had always assumed.

Can you actually get fit at a demo day?

Mizuno Demo Day-1

I had no intention of answering this question when I attended that Golftoberfest demo day back in October. We had just finished a round of golf and noticed the tents on the range. Since I’m always interested in new stuff, and they had free root beer, we decided to head over and blast balls with some new product.

I have been in the market for new irons for a while now. My game off the tee has never been better, but my GIRs are few and far between. Prior to this demo day, I had hit the new TaylorMade stuff. I was curious about the M1, but really more interested in the PSi irons. They felt good, but I walked away from that demo unsure if they were the right irons for me. I wasn’t about to roll the dice on a $1200 uncertainty.

Mizuno Demo Fitting-16

Knowing that Mizuno had new irons, I hit their tent first. After chatting with the rep, he had me take a few swings with Mizuno’s Swing Optimizer.

For those of you who are unfamiliar, the Swing Optimizer is Mizuno’s iron fitting tool. It measures your swing’s speed, tempo, toe position, kick, and release. Once your data has been collect and inputted, Mizuno’s fitting app suggests three shafts that should fit your swing profile, or Swing DNA as Mizuno calls it.

Mizuno Demo Day-3

After three very consistent swings (the rep said so…who am I to argue with the rep), the Optimizer suggested the following shafts:

Initially, I was a bit bummed by these results, not because I expected to be swinging more stout lumber, but more so because I assumed that the soft-step options wouldn’t be available to try. Not so. Mizuno had both hard and soft stepped version of the shafts in the fitting cart. I guess that if your Optimizer is going to recommend a shaft, you should probably have it for customers to try.

Mizuno Demo Day-4

The rep then built me a club to try. We started with the JPX-850 Forged head the Optimizer recommended based on my handicap. The XP115 was kicked out of the mix pretty quickly. It didn’t seem to go as far, and didn’t have the same smooth feel of the other two.

The KBS and the Nippon shafts were pretty close, so the rep put some impact tape on the face to see which gave more consistent results. Again, it was close, but I felt that the Nippon was the better of the two.

In what amounted to about fifteen minutes, I had an iron setup that was producing measurably better shots than what I had just used on the course. It seemed too easy, and probably too good to be true.

Must just be honeymoon swings…

Was that Demo A Valid Fitting?

Mizuno Demo Fitting-05

This is the question that plagued me after my demo day fitting. Did I actually have an iron set-up that would fit my swing and game? Feeling a bit uneasy about it, I scheduled a fitting at the shop. Would the results be different when I was one-on-one with a fitter and the Trackman?

Could that quick and easy Mizuno demo day fitting actually be accurate?

The fitter started our session with a bit of discussion about my game. After I had warmed up, I again hit with the Swing Optimizer, and again the suggested shafts were the same. I suppose that means my swing is consistent, not good perhaps, but consistent.

The only difference from the first fitting to the second was that the Optimizer recommended a hard-stepped regular KBS Tour, rather than the soft-stepped stiff. That’s within the ballpark of the same in my opinion.

Mizuno Demo Fitting-11

Next, I hit some shots with the various shafts, again in the JPX-850 Forged head. Prior to this fitting, I had gone on Mizuno’s website and worked through their online iron advisor fitting tool. Their head recommendation was the JPX-850 Forged, with the new MP-25 and JPX EZ-Forged being other options if I wanted a more workable or a more forgiving head.

Mizuno Demo Fitting-01

This time, I really felt that the Nippon shaft was the way to go, and the Trackman numbers backed it up. The fitter also had me hit the KBS C-Taper Lite as wildcard option. The feel with that shaft was similar, but shots were shorter.

We also put the Nippon shaft into the new EZ-Forged head, and again distance suffered. The Nippon/JPX-850 Forged set-up was the way to go.

Demo Day Fitting = Private Session Fitting

I was surprised/not surprised by the close correlation between the two fittings. Obviously the Mizuno Swing Optimizer is the common element, and I believe, the key element. No other company has a tool like the Optimizer that can quickly recommend shafts for a golfer. At a demo day, the golfer looking to demo the Mizuno irons has a couple of fitted shafts to try in a matter of minutes, rather then just going trial and error through the cart as you would need to do without the Optimizer’s help.

I don’t know that I would trust a demo day experience enough to buy irons from any other company. I’m not saying that there are not other great irons out there. Of course there are. Rather, what I am saying is that demoing irons without the Optimizer information would probably not result in a purchase for me.

Plain and simple, I’d be concerned that they wouldn’t be correctly fit.

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With the Mizuno fitting system, I don’t have that concern.

Now some of you may be concerned that the Shaft Optimizer is going to put you into an exotic shaft that will cause you to pay more. Not with Mizuno.

All of their custom shaft options come free of upgrade charge.

The same is true with their grips.

One price. What you fit is what you get.

Plus, and this is hard to believe, Mizuno’s irons will likely save you money this year compared to some other companies who are pricing sets a couple of hundred dollars higher. Mizuno irons and $200 in the pocket seems like a pretty deal good to me.

It’s The Tech

Mizuno Demo Fitting-15

I guess that’s my take home from all of this. Mizuno’s Swing Optimizer technology makes it possible to get a quick, accurate iron fitting. Sure, there is more to a complete fitting than just the shaft choice. You need to spend a bit more time getting length, lie, and grip specs dialed in, but to me shaft fitting is the critical element.

Mizuno is currently the only company with the tech to get the fit quickly and accurately. Cleveland/Srixon also has a promising new system that leverages the Swingbyte 2 sensor (we’ll have more on that in  that Tim and I will look into in the coming weeks). However, those are the only two companies with any fitting tech.

In all other cases, you will need to rely on the experience of the fitter to get your specs correct.

Obviously there are some expert fitters out there who can set you up with perfectly fit clubs. However, I don’t know that they could do it quickly enough to fit you, and the other hoards of golfers, in a demo day setting. My experience suggests Mizuno can.

To find out more about Mizuno’s custom fitting program, click away right HERE.

Warning: Club Porn

I can’t leave you without sharing the results of all of this research, my new irons. JPX-850 Forged, Nippon N.S. Pro 1150GH Tour Stiff, Mizuno Blue Lamkin 3GENs (+3). If you look closely you will also see my next little bit of experimentation, Mizuno’s Blue Ion S5 wedges, shafted and gripped like the irons. These are so pretty it’ll be a shame (almost) to get them dirty. Enjoy!

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      Carolina Golfer 2

      7 years ago

      I know it’s an old post, but I just ran across it while searching info on Mizuno’s shaft optimizer. Well done piece!!

      Reply

      Nate

      8 years ago

      These are slick! Definitely not understated, but not gaudy either. I like it.

      Reply

      Sean

      8 years ago

      As a demo tech I can tell you it depends on the event if it is a multi vendor event that is open to the public and is really busy you are going to have a very hard time being fit properly. Use the time to figure out what will be on your short list and then make an appointment to get the full fitting done.

      If you are at a club that sets up a fitting day with just one or two vendors and you get a block of 30 to 45 minutes with the rep you will get a fitting appt you are looking for.

      Also my advice at a demo day don’t stand in one tent to long and just bang balls move along and let the reps help everyone if you want to hot that long find a place that loans demos and you can hit as many as you want.

      Reply

      ComeOnSense

      8 years ago

      Bingo! Well said Sean.

      Reply

      Anton Prinsloo

      8 years ago

      Srixon use a swing analyzer unit together with GC2 launch monitors to illustrate the differences in shaft specs for the customer.

      Reply

      Don

      8 years ago

      The blue wedges look amazing.

      Reply

      ComeOnSense

      8 years ago

      NO, you can’t be properly fitted on demo day or any other single section.
      Do you have the same swing eveyday? No you don’t. So what happened when you get fitted, let’s say , on demo day and you hooking the s… out of the ball? .Or your baby fade is a full blooded slice of pepperoni pizza ?, think about it.You just got fitted with a crooked swing that’s not your normal crooked swing.
      Demo days are just for hitting the latest and so called greatest clubs.

      Reply

      Nardu

      8 years ago

      I agree that the swing doesn’t always arrive when you want it to, but for me personally, my striking usually suffers as I try to prove the club in my hands and the swing gets a bit bent out of shape – not all sorts
      If you are THAT inconsistent, maybe lessons should be where you spend your money, or buy the most forgiving club on the shelf if you want to drop the cash
      Point is that virtually the same recommendation was made on a demo day as by the fitter in a one on one. I hope the other companies get this method on board sooner rather than later

      Reply

      Glen Johnson

      8 years ago

      hard enough to get fit at a shop,,i bought g25s coz i couldnt hit a bad shot on the monitor with blue dots and he gave me yellow and i cant even looc at them (or hit them yet )

      Reply

      dwayne

      8 years ago

      That appeared to be a great experience, good for you. Beautiful clubs too. Get yourself some nice towels to keep those babies clean.

      If anybody knows of a good place to get fitted in Metro Detroit other than Miles of Golf or Carls Golfland please pass it along.

      Reply

      Andrew

      8 years ago

      What i wish for in a demo day is for one to be in my area. I check manufacturer’s websites, and can never seem to find one in or near the Twin Cities…

      Reply

      Don

      8 years ago

      Very good and informative article. Thank you.

      Also,

      Thanks for the additional pics. Those irons look Sweeeeeeeeet!

      Reply

      Kenny B

      8 years ago

      Got new irons, eh! Dave, I guess after playing with me in September, you had to find something new. You can blame me if you want. :) I may have to make another trip south just to check them out. Congratulations!

      Reply

      Chris

      8 years ago

      Hey Dave,

      Great article. My family has been putting on demo days for over a decade now in Southern Indiana and @roadtrippin’s comment was spot on. Demo Days are a great way to walk the line and test new equipment while talking golf with representatives of the different manufactures. Now, I have seen some reps do outstanding fitting jobs during demo days, so it can be done.
      On the topic of the Mizuno fitting system being valid at the demo day, I noticed that you had just finished playing a round. Was it 9, or 18? And during the 2nd fitting you mentioned you only warmed up. I would imagine that the round before the demo day fitting caused a little fatigue, which probably is why you were fitted to a soft-stepped versus the hard-stepped on the private fitting. Regardless, isn’t the Mizuno Swing Optimizer a cool fitting tool?

      Chris Howard
      Howard’s Golf

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      Dave Wolfe

      8 years ago

      Hi Chris
      It was a round of 18 prior to that first demo session. I bet that you are right about the slight shaft tweaking.
      I am also sure that you are right about the reps for other companies doing solid fitting work at demo days. I am sure that there are a bunch of quality fitters who can do just that.

      My take on all of this was speed. In a demo day setting, that poor rep may have twenty or more people wanting to hit stuff. The shaft optimizer should really speed up the overall process for the Mizuno fitter compared to other reps who don’t have that tool. I wonder how many guys like Dave W who commented use the shaft optimizer for shaft fitting and then put those shafts into a non-Mizuno head. Lots, I’d imagine.

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      Chris

      8 years ago

      There’s probably quite a few David W’s, I’d imagine too. Haha. Especially in private fittings.
      Enjoyed ready the article, though, and look forward to ready more.

      RyanH

      8 years ago

      Must hit club on real turf. I’ve begged Haggin oaks to open a patch of grass for fittings for years. Their mats are way too forgiving to promote sales.

      Reply

      Dave Wolfe

      8 years ago

      Now that’s an interesting topic. How do fitting results compare on turf vs. mats?

      Reply

      John Porter

      8 years ago

      Good article, but in my opinion; NO TRACKMAN = waste of time.

      Reply

      Dave Wolfe

      8 years ago

      Trackman was used for the follow-up fitting. There are photos of the data about half way through.

      Reply

      Paul Kielwasser

      8 years ago

      Interesting. I’ve been to three locations in the US for iron fittings, all had about any shaft one could dream of, all of the tech in the world to measure a swing, and not one of the fitters liked the Mizuno fitting tool. Now, these places didn’t have and obviously didn’t use it, so there may have been some bias, but I thought it interesting that three of the top fitting locations in the US were all in agreement on the device. Anyway, just sharing.

      Reply

      Large chris

      8 years ago

      Same here, I’ve been to some of the ‘best’ fitters and they queried the value of the Mizuno system as well.
      BUT I still give Mizuno credit for trying to get this tech working, if you look through the Dave Tutelman website you will see this sort of shaft analysis is a very tricky physics problem to answer.

      Reply

      David W

      8 years ago

      I was fit for shafts for my i25s using the Mizuno system. I was given the JPX-850 Forged head to use as it is the closest to the i25 per Mizunos information. My swing produced an offering of the exact same shafts as you (soft step Stiff for KBS) and the KBS turned out to be the best shaft for me with the Nippon a close 2nd. The DG felt like I was hitting with a piece of rebar compared to the KBS and Nippon shafts. I can see and feel a difference in the ball flight since getting fitted for the shafts and I also spin the ball better with the flex and kick points being optimized.

      Reply

      Dave Wolfe

      8 years ago

      For some reason I find it comforting that we have similar names and play similar shafts :)

      Reply

      Michael

      8 years ago

      Love the article but I never understood the fitting process when there is not a mention of a grip..I could be biased but how can any proper fitting be accurate if the fitting process does not include the grip??? The only part of the club that you actually feel. My experience with demo day fittings is that most of the grips are old and worn…how do you justify a fitting with old worn grips?? I’m curious to hear feedback…

      Michael
      Co-Founder PURE Grips

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      Dave Wolfe

      8 years ago

      Hi Michael. Good to hear from you. The short answer is that I agree with you. Changing the grip definitely changes the experience. The question is how to incorporate grip fitting into a club fitting. Your grips go on easy with the air installation, and can be used right away, but others would require time for the solvent and tape to set. That, or a huge fitting cart with all of the grips available on all of the shafts. I’m not sure how you get that done.

      There is a company out there that made a quick swap putter grip system. Name escapes me. Was at last PGA show. However I don’t recall seeing something similar for full swing clubs. That’s the next million dollar golf product I suppose.

      Until then, maybe shops can replace demo set grips when they are worn.

      Reply

      dr. bloor

      8 years ago

      Honest question–how do you systematically fit for grips? Every approach I’m aware of puts me in an undersized, soft-ish grip. After a prolonged (and always ongoing) process of sheer trial-and-error–believe me, I’ve hit A Lot of grips–I’m currently settled into regular-sized, full cord grips and wear gloves on both hands.

      This article seemed to hit home for me. Not sure how you could do that at a demo day “fitting”.

      http://www.golf.com/instruction/youre-playing-wrong-size-grips

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      Michael

      8 years ago

      Thanks guys, I find it interesting that we do A LOT of demo days (including PGA show) and we install grips on the range, you hit immediately and if the grip doesn’t fit, we change it out and you hit again…My point is, how do the OEM;s/Fitters figure out that a proper fitting includes a grip..it’s as simple as having a small inexpensive compressor under the tent,,,just as we do..But, again, I could be a bit biased..lol

      Kenny B

      8 years ago

      Love your grips Michael, and so easy to change.

      dr. bloor

      8 years ago

      You’re way ahead of the field in that regard. Do you and your compressor do personal appearances at cheap-a$$ driving ranges in New England?

      P.S. Bring ALL your grips.

      Michael

      8 years ago

      LOL…I wish we did personal appearances. Just trying to figure out how this golf industry works and trying to help some people out int he golf game. Seems people are fixated in the “traditional” sense and not open to innovation or change…but, that’s our job to educate people..: )

      Large chris

      8 years ago

      Totally agree, I’ve had a few fitting sessions but I can’t evaluate some potentially great club and shaft combos because the incorrect grip size for me destroys all the feel. Pure DTX mid size all the way for me.

      Reply

      Dennis Corley

      8 years ago

      I have used the Mizuno Shaft Optimzer and think it is a good tool. The analytic in me does have a question about the Optimzer:

      Does the “catalog” of potential shafts referenced by the Optimizer include “virtually all” brands and models of shafts in the market? OR does the Optimzer limit the suggested options to a handful of preferred manufacturer’s models? I suspect the latter for a couple of reasons:

      1) That’s the most practical way to have the “recommended shaft” available on the fitting cart.
      2) money – Mizuno offers the no charge shaft choices so they need to be practical as a business etc.

      I would love to see the shaft Optimzer idea taken to the next level where the recommendations are cross referenced to an industry-wide shaft catalog that is something like the shaft Tom Wishon Golf Shaft Bend Profile software.

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      DaveMac

      8 years ago

      The shaft options are limited to Mizuno’s custom fit options. The optimiser is simply a quick sort tool, narrowing down all the options to a easier to test sub set.

      It is a discrete system, so people on the border of parameter values have to be careful with regard to the recommendations and try at least one option from the second recommendation set.

      It still requires the recommended shaft to be tested by the player, this step must be completed. The article author disliked the XP115 from his recommendations.

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      Dave Wolfe

      8 years ago

      I’m not sure of the shaft scope, but if you check the Mizuno site for custom options, there are a bunch of possible shafts. Granted, the fitting cart size is finite so they can’t have everything. I was impressed that they did have hard and soft stepped options.

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      roadtrippin

      8 years ago

      Demo day fitting is nothing like a private fitting session as you should go through multiple manufacturers when in a private session. Yes, the shaft optimizer is a good tool and you must have had a good rep fit you at the demo day. I take the advice I get from a demo day and go see a fitter who is not going to try and shove one brand down my throat.

      Reply

      Dave Wolfe

      8 years ago

      Choosing from all available options is always the best choice during a private fitting. The shaft optimizer makes Mizuno uniquely able to put you into a closely fitting club in a demo day setting. It’s not going to replace a good club fitter, but it is the best quick-fitting tech out there.

      Reply

      roadtrippin

      8 years ago

      Thats fair, I have done and been through my fair share of club fittings and the optimizer is pretty good. I mainly used it to get the numbers from it because there is no other way to get a number value for those parts of the swing. I would use the recommendation to give me a good starting point on shaft selection and a fair amount of the time we would end up in the shaft it recommended and if not, it would be very small changes.

      redneckrooster

      8 years ago

      I liked this article .I use to play Mizuno and really like the feel and distance , I didn’t like the thicker top line and got rid of them. Thought many times if I could get that same feel with a thinner top line I would go back. I would love to give this fitting a try.. Anyone in Tennessee using this system?

      Reply

      Dave Wolfe

      8 years ago

      You can check the Mizuno site for demo days and shops that use the system here.
      http://www.mizunousa.com/Golf/Store-Locator?view=demodays

      Looks like there are Mizuno demo days at Music City Golf in Nashville on 12/11 and Golfsmith Nashville in Franklin on 12/12.

      Reply

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