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FEATURED: MyGolfSpy on Hank Haney & Michael Breed Show

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Yesterday, I went on the Hank Haney & Michael Breed show to talk Kirkland (vs) Titleist Pro V1.

(This happened really fast.  I got a call that yesterday Haney was discrediting our test on the radio.  I listened and confirmed that was in fact the case and I reached out to try and explain our protocols and he asked to come on the show.  While getting ready for the show I see Michael Breed tweet that he is discussing the ball test on Sirius radio.  His tweet included a phone number, so I called and they put me right through.  So, went from being asked to be on Haney's show to calling in the Breed show.  Slightly crazy mornin.)

They had a few issues with our test protocols. We trust the test protocols we have refined over the past 6 years but understand it's hard for many to believe a $15 ball could outperform the #1 Ball in Golf that cost $50.

So, they claimed:

1. All balls go the same distance
2. Player testing was not as good as robots (not true)
3. And the quality control was poor with Kirkland ball (FYI Breed is a Titleist guy, Haney a Callaway guy, we are a YOU guy)

They tried to find just about anything to discredit the test. Once again understandable. Breed went on to ask if there was any robot data to support our data and if we could publish it.

So, here is a robot test performed by GolfLabs for another ball company Vice Golf

It is a test that shows that not only do balls not go the same distance it shows yet another ball going farther than a Titleist Pro V1. And not a ball many recognize as a leader in golf ball tech either.

As we gather more testing data from independent sources we will continue to publish our findings so the consumer can ultimately make the decision on what is right for them.

Also for those questioning the QC, we remind you this ball is made in the same plant that makes Taylormade balls, Snell balls and others.

 

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TopPakRat January 8, 2017 at 11:24 am

PAYOLA SCHEME better known as PAY TO PLAY has been exposed!
Is it so hard to see the facts! Let’s be honest. The Kirkland golf ball has created the biggest golf ball industry buzz in the last decade. The reality is that it has shot a hole into the hype and payola scheme of the professional. Lets see: Titleist pays how many pros to play their ball? Titleist pays how much in advertising per year not just in commercials but print ads, tournaments,endorsements and on and on? Titleist cost to do this is in the MULTI- MULTI MILLIONS of dollars. Now who pays for this. You do when you go out and buy a dozen PRO V1’s at $48.00. If you take away all the PAYOLA (COSTS) the Titleist ball at best would be a $20.00 a dozen golf ball. If it was based on the Costco structure to run on a gross margin of 15% the PRO V1 would be a $17.00 a dozen golf ball. After all this people still dispute the fact that a company can produce a quality golf ball at a much lower price than Titleist. The people who dispute this such as PIMPS like Haney are now concerned that the gravy train or as I call it PAYOLA scheme has been exposed. Hank and the rest of you I have decided I am no longer going to pay you a dime.

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Albert Eng December 30, 2016 at 8:41 pm

Hank Haney and Michael Breed just need to shut up and stop saying stupid shit. All golf balls go the same distance!! Maybe Titleist and Callaway golf balls are inferior products.

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Rodney Gutierrez December 29, 2016 at 4:09 am

Always believed this, top companies spend so much money on sponsorship’s, advertising, and executives that they have to charge more than things are actually worth……. not just golf balls but clubs, shoes…..etc etc Add to this that people will swear by the stuff they buy, they will defend it to the end to justify their using it……..

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Steve Thorne December 28, 2016 at 10:21 pm

I have been to the Titleist ball factory among others in the golf industry. If people could see how they are made it would open there eyes. Time to pull the veil off the industry and start exposing the smoke and mirrors.Great job My Golf Spy!!

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Wayne J Bosley December 28, 2016 at 3:38 am

MyGolf Spy careful they are similar to the TM designs not exactly best to look at some earlier reviews where the images of internals of say the 2013 TP’s and the K-Sig’s are a TPU injected cover (i believe talking with other factories not 100% sure though) nota more expensive to manufacture Cast Urethane version ,,,, if anyone talks about ProV1’s improving with each generation that isnt really the fact they are just a different set of specs since 2000 and the ProV1’s tend to have all been similar,,,small gains in distance one year traded off for a slight reduction in spin ,, replaced two years later by a small reduction in distance and an increase in spin,,, swings and roundabouts as the rules of golf have stalled any real improvements. TPU covered balls can go further,,,,,,,without feeling like a rock, but the cover in particular will feel firmer than all the other cast U type balls,,,,, fun times,,, :-)

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Shortside December 27, 2016 at 11:35 am

Balls, club heads, shafts, makes no difference. Some will always insist the most expensive with the most popular brand name on it must be better. Have to be. They cost more and the pro’s wouldn’t play them for compensation if they weren’t.

My iron heads are traditional loft. PW 48*, 9I 44* and so on. Of course a modern loft PW @ 45* is going longer. It’s a 9I. I don’t care. What’s important is I know my distances and my equipment fits. Fits me. Not the hottest tour pro. My Pursuit c510’s (1* flat) with Axe Xcaliber SL’s (R) will be in my bag until an (A) flex shaft is what fits. Father Time is still undefeated.

Balls? I want them to perform around and on the greens. Premium balls are all within a few yards as far as distance is concerned. At $1.25 a piece the K-sigs are getting a trial run ASAP. No brainer. I’d rather spend my money on greens fees than be a member of Team Titleist.

Fairways and greens to all. And a Happy New Year.

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Jerry December 27, 2016 at 12:29 pm

What a can of worms. Buying balls usually happens at a golf retailer or at the course. You can get a dozen Pro V (1X’s/V1’s) x-Outs for $29. Not sure buying balls on the internet or spending the annual $110 Costco membership fee is either cost effective or worth the hassle. This winter we should go to our friendly Golf Galaxy or small golf shop and ask if we can hit some balls we want to trial. Bring your own “marked” Pro V’s and/or other balls (Costco etc) and hit them and look at all the wonderful data after each shot. This is so simple I can’t believe we are arguing it. While you are there hit the latest model drivers and irons and your own clubs. See what distances you get and shot dispersions. It would be better doing this outdoors on a practice range with a TrackMan but I’d assume most of us can’t or won’t do that. But while we all agree Henrick or Rory would beat us playing with Sam Snead Blue Ridge’s shouldn’t we really assume they all play the very best gear available and not what they are paid to play?

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MyGolfSpy December 27, 2016 at 12:55 pm

You do not have to be a Costco member to buy these online.

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Jerry December 27, 2016 at 1:21 pm

This never ends, does it. My point is this….I am not going to take anyone’s recommendation on equipment or balls on their anecdotal experience. No offense to anyone. Did anyone else pick up on the MGS survey on irons? You could say that if the survey had sizable numbers or sampling the case could be made that better players (lower handicap) play Mizuno’s. This survey is better than several guys saying they once hit the flagstick with a Calloway whatever. I would assume nobody cares what my preferences are with golf gear. I am a sample size of “1”. And I am as smart a buyer as anyone but even tho I play about once a week I don’t consume enough balls to worry about saving the vast fortunes I read about here. But two things, I will trial a Costco ball just as I did Vice and Snell and a few others. But if I’m springing for a round of golf at $50-100/round I’m not worrying about saving $2/ball when I can play the same ball or maybe 2 for 18 holes. What are you guys doing with or to all your balls? I have balls from my first round last March. I am friends with a Tour caddy everyone knows and he’s getting me on Winged Foot next July. I’ll probably buy two new sleeves for that day.

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Paul Guggenbuehl January 3, 2017 at 12:36 am

Jerry-Where do you play? I play on courses that have canals all over them for agricultural irrigation. On some par 5s you can drive over a canal then have the same canal on your second shot, then if you lay up it gaurds the green also. No way you can play these types of courses with ONE ball. A $1.25 ball takes the pressure off and lets me play MY GOLF instead of worrying about losing $20 of golf balls on one hole. Try playing more courses around the country.

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Jerry December 29, 2016 at 8:05 pm

I think an interesting subject to blog about might be if anyone thinks Donald Trump is a 2.5, 3 or 4 handicap? I watched a YouTube video showing him playing Pine Hill in NJ. I had a tee time there a few years ago but my playing partner dunked out on me because he thought the course was too hard for his game. They were hosting a US Open qualifier so he was justified in not wanting the challenge. So I watch the Donald swing and if he’s a 4 with that swing I’m a tour pro. I played college golf and good amateur golf through my 30’s with a scratch handicap. I’m the same age as Trump and I play maybe once a week and I can tell you at 70 I would need to play the jr tees to break 75! There’s no way he is even a 4 with that swing playing infrequently. It’s not totally impossible for a 70 year old to shoot his age but he would have needed to be a 60’s shooter in his prime and those guys are far and few between. For example, what does Johnny Miller shoot these days? Even former #1 David Duvall needs a solid practice regimen to get down in the low 70’s. maybe MGS could write a piece on this subject? It would be fun.

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Pat Thomas Sr December 31, 2016 at 10:36 pm

I have played to a single-digit GHIN for about 15 years. I have played all the top models of balls EACH FOR OVER A YEAR so I could cut through the hype and KNOW how each performed. Several facts are now confirmed:
1) Titleist is shorter on both models for carry than five other top models. I play a medium-high trajectory on all normal shots with all clubs, and carry vs carry-and-roll is much more critical to my game, as I played more soft fairways than firm ones.
2) Dimple patterns and spin rates vary widely, even among the top models.
3) Four-piece balls provide the most versatility throughout all playing conditions.
4) Soft cover balls are the best for all short game shots on a consistent basis.
5) I have played only 36 holes with the Costco Kirkland ball, BUT LET ME TELL YOU this ball is for real…4 layers, plenty of pop for long carry, soft cover for short game feel and playability (feels great off the putterface). THIS IS THE BEST BALL BUY, BAR NONE!! Do NOT let the brand name or low price fool you. GO BUY AND PLAY IT. You will be glad you did.

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Marty O'Meara December 25, 2016 at 7:04 pm

Somebody help me here….How can you make a ball-data comparison unless you can exactly duplicate the swing speed of the machine? If my swing speed is 90 mph ….. the ball will react differently than if it were 100 mph. Therefore, from my perspective, this data is VALUELESS to me.

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Russell December 25, 2016 at 5:46 am

I couldn’t care less what Haney or Breed think, they’ll endorse whatever and whoever flashes the most cash and at the same time take cash of every sucker with a new golf tip on how to make you a better player, talk about hypocrisy!
If the suckers wanna pay $50 per dozen for their golf balls then Titleist will continue to sell them for that price!
If the sucker thinks he’s gonna play like a pro with a premium golf ball then they’ll continue to market that way!, if the consumer doesn’t realise that Titleist pay the pro to play their ball and give them bucket loads of them for free then most people must have their heads buried in the sand!
Many, many years ago I had a 76 off the stick at a tough public golf course here in Melbourne, Australia and the ball I used was a Dunlop Shark!
Since then I’ve played many a great round of golf equalling this score and shooting a little higher and I can tell you the ball a nothing to do with it…….so if I can get my hand on sim KSigs here in Oz I’ll play them instead of the big named overpriced golf ball anytime!

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Moe December 26, 2016 at 1:38 pm

Well said 100% agree….. Titleist makes a million balls per day… Every day… Dont tell me there’s no money in golf balls… They pay any one on tour who will play them… Every 2nd commercial is them bragging about #1 ball in golf… $4 ball.. 2-3 bucks goes to keeping the propaganda going. Iam plus golfer for over 20 years. I have played everything… As long as u play the same ball you will get used to it’s characteristics…. And at 2 dozen for $30… I will give it a full and fair chance.

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Bradley Axon December 24, 2016 at 10:45 pm

The simple fact is we are all conditioned to avoid change. If these balls are labeled “Republican” or “Democrat” then you would see golfers play them according to that belief. Golf balls are fitted to the game of each player-not the other way around. Marketing and brand loyalty go a long way in this debate, but at the end of the day I would bet Tiger or Rory can use a “Flying Lady” brand…and still easily break par. Play what you like, have confidence in what you play, and try to get any ball you play in the hole.

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Brad Smith December 24, 2016 at 5:40 pm

And the two other obvious criteria for choosing in addition to feel/sound and spin that you want around the green are…….durability and of course, cost.

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Brad Smith December 24, 2016 at 5:33 pm

Guys, the only important difference in balls re: driver performance is feel/sound. Look at the test data from Vice, and look at the Titleist ball data. Cheap, supersoft DT Solo, total distance 251.7. ProV1x 253.3. The “really good, best” ball is only 1.6 yards further with same club, same swingspeed, same everything as much as they can get the robot to do. So now let’s assume that the testers are real live golfers, as some of you seem to say is the way to tell distance differences. Are you so repeatable that you can discern a different actual driver performance, ball to ball? Not feel/sound difference, but actual ball performance. You may think you can, but this data (and other distance data I’ve seen) shows you can’t. Your swing to swing variance from “optimum swing/contact” is probably orders of magnitude higher than the robot and your swing performance decides how far each ball will go, not the ball.

Choose your ball based on the feel/sound you like and how you like it to spin (or not spin) on shots around the green. Driver distance is essentially equal and doesn’t differentiate between balls in recent years.

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Jerry December 24, 2016 at 11:56 am

There are a zillion variables in comparing balls that make it next to impossible to state which ball is best. Every blogger has a unique swing with an AOA and swing speed. Add in equipment variables with head and shaft trampoline and flex and kick points that if you were doing a medical study it would never be accepted by any peer reviewed publication. The facts are that a robot test will give you a “control” over the variable so you can do a true “comparison”. I obvious cannot hit a ball like Tiger but I will consider his opinion over some dude I have no idea of who claims there is no difference between a Pro V1 and an XJ 24 Space Modulator. We all know the Tour guys get a spiff to play equipment but do any of us believe a top 100 player would play inferior gear and risk the prize money they bust their asses for? Look at Tiger and Rory now. They are free of their Nike contracts but continue to Game Nike irons. I find that amazing as I think little of Nike outside clothes and shoes. These guys don’t need another few yards off the tee. They want control, feel and feedback and spin that suits their game. They all own a trackman and hit hundreds of balls a day paying attention to launch angle, spin and ball flight. They could care less about what a ball costs. If ball prices are as important as all the above to you by all means knock yourselves out. But if choosing a ball for the other reasons is key then get fitted by a tech and buy what suits your individual need. MGS provides a nice insight into basic ball data. The next step is your own. I know lots of golfers who’s ball compartment are a Sarah Palin word salad equivalent.

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Seth December 24, 2016 at 9:29 am

Love the site and love the reviews. Being in the medical field and reading a lot of research papers/studies, I just have a comment/question or two.

Did the participants know which balls they were hitting during the test, or were they blinded to that? If not it could promote bias, no matter how hard they try, they may swing a little bit harder or concentrate a little more on a particular ball or shot, skewing the results.

6 participants hitting 10-12 shots is a VERY small sample size where one or two great shots or poorer shots can skew the results significantly.

With those things being said, if a $15 ball performs even close to a $50 ball, that’s pretty sweet and it’s worth trying in my book lol. In an ideal world it’d be cool to see more participants and the participants blinded to which ball they are htting to make it a little more valid of a study.

Granted we’re not talking about saving lives here lol.

Keep up the great work!

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Seth December 24, 2016 at 9:33 am

Oh yeah, and as far as bias goes, I’m pretty sure Breed and Haney are just a tad more biased then you guys 😉

Robot testing would be cool with they kirkland and a bunch of other high end balls. If only time and money grew on trees

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Steve S December 24, 2016 at 11:36 am

Maybe it’s time for Consumer Reports to redo their golf ball test. They did one back in 2005, I think. Used robot and tested Driver and 8 iron.

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stevegp December 24, 2016 at 8:00 am

Great stuff! Thanks again for all of your testing and information. It’s a breath of fresh air.

I donated to support your site and efforts in the past and will do so again soon.

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Daniel December 24, 2016 at 7:27 am

I won’t believe Hank Haney because all the guys that he teaches one hank Haney show was a failure. H e would Clame how about tiger woods, tiger is tiger who ever his coach is he will win. So is there anybody else he can Clame as his student? So why would I believe a guy like that. All company shouldn’t either. He shouldn’t even be on any show. Guys the bottom line is try all the golf balls that you like and the one that is good for your game that won’t break your wallet and spend the money that you save to play more golf😄

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Jason Warwick December 24, 2016 at 12:06 pm

End of the day a ball will only go as far as your technique and power will allow it.. the same with spin.

I do question the price of golf balls but hey ho

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Randy Cabral December 24, 2016 at 10:53 am

Keep up the great work on everything your doing.

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Andrew Purvis December 24, 2016 at 8:34 am

Probably not you can’t get them and the cover doesn’t last long plus am not playing enough

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Fred Bluhm December 24, 2016 at 6:30 am

I’ve never hit a ProV1 further than I do my Snell MyTourBall. MGS is totally independent and is not biased like Breed and Haney, who would have probably been better off not saying anything at all. By the way, Dean Snell, the creater of the Snell MyTourBall, which MGS claimed was a better ProV1, was in on the designing of the ProV1, as well as top-of-the-line balls for TaylorMade.

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Ron Lunsford December 24, 2016 at 6:04 am

Here’s the thing… Testing is great and all, but if YOU play better with a Titleist Pro V, then play it. If you play better with the Kirkland, play that. I play extremely well with the Wilson Zip ($19.99 for 2 dozen) and the Vice Pro Plus ($24.95 a dozen). I’ve also enjoyed the Snell MTB and can’t wait for the OnCore Tour Ball coming this spring.

If you lose a sleeve of balls or more during a round, try to find something lower cost. If you play less than a sleeve a round, then don’t worry about the cost quite so much and find the BEST balls for YOUR game. If you break it down by rounds, the difference between $2 a ball and $4 a ball is pretty small if you don’t lose them.

Now from what I’ve heard about the Kirkland balls is that they were a TaylorMade design made in the same factories as the Snells and a few others.

My concern is that if someone else did the R&D on them, but they drive prices down for companies like Titleist and Callaway, will those companies stop making progress and exit the business. It’s a big jump to make, but it could happen if the prices drop too far.

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Dan Franson December 24, 2016 at 4:19 am

TM design? Eric Loper says all TM balls are made in South Carolina. You mean 4 peice like the Taylor Made TP?

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John Flanagan December 24, 2016 at 4:15 am

I played the vice pro over the weekend in Orlando for the first time . I usually play pro v 1 the only difference is the Vic ball carries a lil longer . I was smashing it! I hit a bunker shot to 4 inches . The guys i played with were like what kind a ball is VICE they wanted to try it ! Good luck give them a try !!

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Mark Rich December 24, 2016 at 4:07 am

I don’t believe Titleist has changed their ball much in the last 3 releases. That’s one of their issues. Most of the other tour balls perform at least as good, if not better. Anymore, Titleist is bought for the name alone.

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Todd D Heugly December 24, 2016 at 3:11 am

The Kirkland better is just as good or better than a pro V1.

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Greg Gutierrez December 23, 2016 at 10:06 pm

I have no doubt that both are sponsored and incentivized to pimp their products. Of course they will try to discredit anything you guys say. I can tell you their balls are way overpriced. I can play just as bad with a vice kirkland or any other ball… 😉

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Kent Hutchinson December 24, 2016 at 3:02 am

What’s a $50 ball?

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dcorun December 24, 2016 at 11:16 am

Something I’ll never have. :)

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Alex Holt December 24, 2016 at 2:18 am

You can run robot tests all day, but won’t ever get the robot to answer which ball they prefer given the price difference …

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Don December 23, 2016 at 8:24 pm

This is like MyGolfSpy saying the world is round and they sticking to the claim that the world is flat LOL

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Rod_CCCGOLFUSA December 23, 2016 at 8:08 pm

I don’t hear Titleist & Callaway complaining when they get gold labels if Golf Digest’s human, non-robot tests. GD doesn’t report its data, just anecdotal exclamations like “boom it!” Even when data is requested, and I have done so, the OEMs refuse to reveal it. They even send their marketing people to the PGA show instead of the engineers. So, when a performance technical question is asked, the answer is “It’s a boomer!” Purchasing decisions have to be made on who serves the best beer.

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Elliot Bloom December 24, 2016 at 12:59 am

Really love MyGolf Spy. Lately it seems though it’s 95% Kirkland sig coverage. Justified or not… can we move on?

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Frank Connelly December 24, 2016 at 9:22 am

Have you played with the Kirkland My golf Spy?

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Dan DeBarr December 24, 2016 at 12:53 am

Vice are great but they are hardly durable in any way. can’t play more than a round with them

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John Gomez December 24, 2016 at 12:49 am

I didn’t catch all of interview, but Haney is hypocrite. He always segways into Calloway spot during one of his radio lessons with callers.

[caller] “my swing is a little flat on the takeaway”

[Haney] “stand a little more upright, and try the new Steelhead from Calloway”

Anyway played K-Sig and it’s a fine product.

– John**

** I didn’t get paid for the post.

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Tony December 23, 2016 at 7:49 pm

Did they really say “All balls go the same distance”? If that’s true then why is Pro V1 better if all balls go the same distance?

Also pretty clear with all the chatter about Kirkland ball that Titleist and Callaway are getting nervous and sending out the brand ambassadors to discredit.

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Jim Giles December 24, 2016 at 12:29 am

Last time i checked i was NOT a robot. Bottom line, imperfect humans hit a golf ball. Amateurs do not hit perfect shots every time and even the pro’s mishit a bit. These balls perform and are shoving it to the big guys who are only in those positions because of ginormous marketing spend. Love that they are sweating

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Todd Cook December 24, 2016 at 12:20 am

I use the Vice Pro and absolutely love it!

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Kevin Pool December 24, 2016 at 12:00 am

They stay sold out! Get more in and gone again.

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David Rains December 23, 2016 at 11:47 pm

They are sold out!

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Dan Turner December 23, 2016 at 10:59 pm

Listened to both shows and actually felt bad for Breed. He was reaching for anything he could to try to discredit the study. It got pretty pathetic.

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Jerry December 23, 2016 at 5:55 pm

Sometimes I think golf balls and mattresses are designed by the same people with the third layer counteracting the third layer and so on. But then it occurred to me I have tried various balls over the past 5 years and always seem to come back to ProV. Price is not important as I usually don’t lose em or cut em. And I can find X-Outs or custom printed overruns discounts. I did play the Bridgestone ball a few years ago but didn’t like it around the green or the way it sounded. It did seem to go further off the tee but in the end decided I would play what the big boys play. Titleist can’t pay them enough if the ball doesn’t perform.

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Eljay December 24, 2016 at 8:35 am

I buy the best value everything that works for me – too old to give a damn what anyone else thinks.
Drive a Hyundai, wear Wrangler and Landsend, buy detergents and similar at the Dollar store.
Got my G-15 iron set on Craigslist barely used for $300 to pair with my 10 year old TEE driver, original X-Hot fairways, and an e-bayed Odyssey Fang putter. Have tried many balls to go with my 88mph SS and 13hcp before happily settling on the SuperSoft.

ProVs don’t work for my game (no geographic loyalty as I grew up in New Bedford across the river from Acushnet) – shorter off the tee and I like chips to run out. Even if they did suit my game, I’d buy the similar performing Costco ball instead because I’m not a fool. YMMV

Bought 4dz K-Sigs and will be giving them away to playing partners who like that kind of ball. Smiles all around.

Haney and his ilk are shills plain and simple.
Play what works.
Try not to get screwed.

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Justin Molinari December 23, 2016 at 10:51 pm

Was inspired by you guys. Couldn’t find the Kirkland but just tried this test this week with the Vice tester pack. Was performing amazing, and longer than the regular pro v I had in the bag! Don’t fear smaller names folks!

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Peter Clark December 23, 2016 at 10:22 pm

I love the feeling of the Vice balls when wedging. Very tactile. :)

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Michael Pasquill December 23, 2016 at 9:57 pm

I like what golf spy is doing to show how a ball that is cheaper can be just as good as the tour balls. I just can get my self to pay that amount of money for a dozen balls (Titleist, Taylor Made,Bridgestone)

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Max Scott December 23, 2016 at 8:58 pm

Take out all the marketing, the cost of giveaways and Pro contracts for playing a Titleist and the true manufacturer cost of a top quality ball is revealed

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FTWPhil December 24, 2016 at 2:31 pm

You get ZERO giveaways from The Elitist, sorry I meant Titleist, if you sell any other ball at your shop.

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Shane December 23, 2016 at 3:54 pm

I don’t think it matters either way since I can’t get my hands on a Kirkland golf ball since they’re always sold out! I have yet to try one out!

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Bar December 23, 2016 at 3:36 pm

We dont know what a Kirkland or Snell ball even looks like here in Europe. We find it hard to get Bridgestone balls in the UK or Ireland any more. So I’m not getting excited either way.

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Mark T. December 23, 2016 at 5:20 pm

Well, here in the US – we have this concept where we order something on-line and they ship it to us, regardless of where we live.
Novel concept, eh? So wipe your tears and order some…

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John G December 23, 2016 at 8:39 pm

Mark T. Get your facts right, your statement is absolutely NOT TRUE, here in Canada there are many companies that won’t ship across the border to us, at all and we end up having stuff shipped to border towns and then go pick it up.

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Steve December 23, 2016 at 11:50 pm

Freight prices from US are ridiculous
Cheaper to buy pro v 1

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Chad Mardesen December 23, 2016 at 8:30 pm

Titleist ProV….the #1 lost ball in golf.

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Harold W December 23, 2016 at 3:28 pm

Here we go again with the robot. Remember what I said months ago.
Soon we will pay our green fees walknout and get our robot and go to first tee we will then make our setting for that hole and let robot play it out.
Then we can ask the robot how the ball performed how did it feel to your hands and so on. Stick with the players testing you get real feelings on how the ball and clubs did there job. To hell with them.
I have some of the balls from South Korea and I think they are great.
Remember they have sponsors backing them couldvit be the proV.
Haney thinks he is a robot didn’t see his name on to many leader boards

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Pierre-Etienne Bourgeois December 23, 2016 at 8:25 pm

Following from here in France, is there somewhere to watch a replay of the show ? Even if Kirkland are not available here, always interesting #datacratic

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Scotty December 23, 2016 at 2:36 pm

Those names mean nothing to me down under.

Would like to see your player testing vs robot. My vision would be pick your three handicap groups HML, then find average swing data for each group and program the robot to that.

I imagine those radio guys would still complain about not the best conditions, so pick the guy in the low group with the best numbers and program the robot to that.

Those results would show how reliable the consistency of robot testing vs human component.

I can’t stand using Pro V1 myself. Use the Wilson Duo Spin, anything fancier my performance degrades, and can’t get anymore stopping power anyway. 18 handicapper. Shows the need for human testing and qualitative feedback, which is why I’m subscribed to MGS.

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Kevin Gertz December 23, 2016 at 7:07 pm

I’ve been playing the Kirkland balls since they came out. To compare them to the ProV1x, I would alternate holes played between the ProV1x and the Kirkland. There is very little difference between the two. The Kirkland is a quality ball. And I’ve since played multiple holes and rounds with the same ball. I don’t see any difference in wear from other ball I’ve played – and I try them all. The ball that I felt that wore down the most was the Vice ball. Seemed to scuff and wear quickly during a round.
Just my two cents.

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ole gray December 23, 2016 at 2:03 pm

I’m thinking you folks who have enjoyed MyGolfSpy not shying away from two of the big boys in the industry, come check out the rest of the great information on MGS.

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Ian Horlacher December 23, 2016 at 6:59 pm

Love them. Hit better than a Pro V1, spin just as soft as a Chrome Soft, and putt like a Tour Preferred.

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Andy Kerestesy December 23, 2016 at 6:45 pm

I play the prov1x and i have tryed the chrome soft and vice balls this summer. I really liked the vice ball. But the 3rd round i played with it on the 9th hole i broke it. And the chrome soft lasted 7 holes. I’ve never broke a prov1x. The kirkland balls will be here next week for me to try.

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FTWPhil December 24, 2016 at 2:34 pm

Chrome Soft is 75 compression, and I’m not sure on the Vice. Could be too much force at impact.

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Austin Stone December 23, 2016 at 6:09 pm

Why wud they b out performing the newer titleist stuff then?

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Eric Torres December 23, 2016 at 5:45 pm

Just order 4 dozen

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drew December 23, 2016 at 12:38 pm

Anyone has a link for the Breed interview?

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Tom Hammer December 23, 2016 at 12:21 pm

PGA pros want you to but everything from them. I worked out a club last summer and overheard the head pro noticing a new club in a members bag and basically chastising them for not buying it from him. The balls on these guys!!!

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John Hardiman December 23, 2016 at 5:20 pm

If they are that worried it would be quite easy for them to do their own testing and release the data if it was actually in their favor. IF

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Bill G December 23, 2016 at 12:16 pm

As part of a Manufacturing eval team…I won’t say who…we were told by the “Team” that the number 1 criteria used by staff pros to pick a golf ball started at the BOTTOM of the cup and went backwards to the tee. Since 65% of the scorecard happens inside 100 yards, pros use the greenside chipping and putting preference as their main determinant. Robots, Breen and Haney are interchangeable and pretty much useless. I played the Kirkland Signature in a side by side camparo round and the Kirkland was every bit the Pro V1 & the ProV1X…in all phases of the game…all phases.

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Jon H December 23, 2016 at 12:04 pm

I enjoy the detailed and independent studies My Golf Spy does with equipment. It would be nice to see Vice, Snell, Kirkland, and MG golf balls tested with the other top marketed brands in golf. People will always have their personal preferences for any purchase but having performance data before a purchase is always appreciated. If you showed the condition of the balls after wedge, Iron and driver testing maybe understanding of quality/durability could be visualized. Just because products are made in the same factory does not mean the same quality control requirements are used or the quality of the materials are the same. I have played the MG, Vice Pro+ and the Snell MTB; I found they are all comparable in overall performance for me and each had slight advantages in one area or another (performance, look, durability, consistent quality). Time to donate to MGS again for another great year to come.

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John Stehle December 23, 2016 at 5:02 pm

Keep it up MGS! This is what the golf industry needs. #growthegame

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Henk Bronkinator Bronkhorst December 23, 2016 at 4:54 pm

I have a question. I’m from Africa and our struggling economy is making decent golf balls unaffordable.
Is there any possibility that the Kirkland balls will come to our shores considering we do not have Costco here?

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Ron Lunsford December 24, 2016 at 6:08 am

Highly doubt you will see the Kirkland brand, but check to see if these have made their way to you yet… Same factory from what the reports are saying…

http://www.nassaugolf.co.uk/golf-balls/

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Jamie McCormack December 23, 2016 at 4:53 pm

Lee send me some over to Scotland please

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Brett Jones December 23, 2016 at 4:43 pm

Well…you havent got me anything for Christmas…just sayin…lol

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David Kinley December 23, 2016 at 4:38 pm

I play Vice Pro balls and I rate them better and much more economical than ProV’s. I still love a ProV but the Vice ball is equally as good. Plus they’re cool as shit

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Nathan Littlechild December 23, 2016 at 8:21 pm

I agree with you. I’ve played ProV’s for years and when I tried Vice I switched. I found they are a few yards longer than ProV’s too.

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Corey Roth December 24, 2016 at 6:14 am

Im a vice fan myself .. Love them

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Andy Romanow December 23, 2016 at 4:35 pm

My buddy reached out to Nassau to see if they would ship direct if we bought 100 dozen or something. Said no but said “the KS is the same as the TP, just buy that”. What say you? I assume it has to have a different dimple pattern so as not to violate any intellectual property rights?

Would love to see you throw KS up against a couple other brands, like the TPs and B330s. And the Snell and Vice for that matter. In the works?? The more brands you bring into this maybe it gets less personal and people will chill out. Its just a golf ball.

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Dan Franson December 23, 2016 at 4:33 pm

Nassau Golf, Google it

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Jorge from Spain December 23, 2016 at 11:17 am

I’m glad all this happened.

Costco, Snell, Vice and other brands are releasing excellent golf balls that for most of us golfers (except robots, of course) are great products without the absurd price tag of the ProV1. I play a Srixon AD333 Tour (3 piece) that for 22€/dozen plays at least as good as the ProV1 if not better…

I will be very glad to substitute it for the Costco or any other ball with similar performance and better price. I don’t have to prove anything at the golf course other than having a great time with my playing partners and posting a good score…

I don’t mind buying new equipment that will feel/perform better for me and can’t care less about fashion or what the Pros say.

Thank you very much for taking the time to test equipment that perform great at reasonable prices. Keeep up the good work and never, never loose your independence (like the Haneys of this world).

Have a great game

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Faiz Alam December 23, 2016 at 4:16 pm

Thanks Mygolfspy my favorite golf site and always genuine reviews

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Bill December 23, 2016 at 11:10 am

Glad you guys proved to these to so called experts in their fields. Breed is a Titleist guy and a PGA Pro so he gets all his stuff free. And for Haney it’s what flavor of the month am I now, first Nike then Taylormade and now Callaway. I’m so proud you just pointed out the facts with hard data that they can’t figure how to discredit. Good job and by the way I use Kirkland balls.

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Ed Hiney December 23, 2016 at 4:09 pm

As we approach the PGA show, I would expect more of these comments from the company that potentially has the most to lose with their premium ball. Will these low cost balls ( performance & price) resonate with the consumer in larger scale than the walking dead who plunk down $50.

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Jeremy Ellis December 23, 2016 at 3:58 pm

Hank went back and forth. He did say that all golf balls go the same distance because they are all at USGA limits, but then later said, “Well they should at least.” “Should” and “actually do” are far apart. He quickly broke into a commercial for the Steelhead irons and how far they go. But aren’t all irons at COR/CT limits Hank?

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Jennifer Osborn-Carr December 23, 2016 at 3:52 pm

Get me some Vice!

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Nevets Soriedem December 23, 2016 at 3:50 pm

Was told by a Titleist guy that they were aware of the kirkland. Guy said kirkland is equal to an nxt.

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P.J. December 23, 2016 at 5:28 pm

I’ve played the Kirkland ball and it’s much better than a NXT. For starters, the Kirkland ball has a urethane cover – while the NXT has a Fusablend cover.
The comparison isn’t even close. Sounds like sour grapes from Titleist…

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P.J. December 23, 2016 at 5:29 pm

Oh, and by the way – the NXT balls are still more expensive than Kirkland!!

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Lester Lessons December 23, 2016 at 10:49 am

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Now address and take a full swing at the ball with your five or six iron.

If the shaft of your club gets tangled up with the tip of the swim noodle during your take away, you are a victim of watching too many pointless television swing-tips, and if the shaft of the club gets tangled up with the tip of the swim noodle during your follow-through, you are a complete and total idiot and should buy my complete deluxe video series.

This leather-bound series of over fifty one hour lessons includes a full dozen, personally autographed tour balls that will look great in the library of anyone’s home!

Act now and don’t delay as supplies are running out. . .

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Fozcycle December 23, 2016 at 10:49 am

My Golf Spy has just gone viral in the last couple days…..we now are in the major league and have not betrayed the mission, to provide results from unbiased product testing, both by MGS Staff and Fellow Spies. If you like what MGS is doing, and you want it to continue, may I suggest that you go to the website and make a small donation as a “Thank You” gift to ensure the work continues.

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Antonio Espinoza December 23, 2016 at 3:47 pm

Great job Adam!!!! We have been brand washed

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Doug sluggo December 23, 2016 at 10:40 am

I have been playing the Ksig for a few months now, with my early initial purchase of 2 dozen.
I was a proV guy forever, but in the last year or two I have played almost anything, typically whatever I happened to find.
I shoot mid to upper 70’s usually, so I’m a decent ball striker for an old fart.

Guess what? The ksig is a good ball, but I have found that the cover isn’t as tuff as most the other balls. It’s long as any, and spins and feels good around the greens. And it putts well.
But I started to notice that after a while, I started noticing scrapes and marks on the cover. I have played proV’s till they are so beat up and dirty that it looks like I’m playing a dirt clod, but they still “play” fine. And they eventually get scraped up too, but not as quickly.

Seems most of the balls I like are like that, the srixon z star, callaway chromes, TM’s, etc. but, I never buy any of them, cuz I find so many balls on accident I don’t need to buy any.

But I don’t mind buying the Ksigs, cuz they’re so cheap, and they work as good as any other “good” ball does.

Now gotta wait for the excitement to die down so I can buy more.

Oddly, I haven’t “found” any Ksigs yet😂😂

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Harry December 24, 2016 at 7:18 pm

I found a Snell and 4 rounds later am still using it.😎

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Shawn Shelby December 23, 2016 at 3:38 pm

I own a golf retail store in the Bay Area and I test every ball out there. The numbers and performance of the Kirkland ball is good but I did find the cover is not durable at all. Not even close to any of the major manufacturers.

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Geoff Morrison December 23, 2016 at 4:51 pm

How about 1/3 of the durability? Because if it gets there it’s paid for itself. Most golfers lose balls before they damage them anyway.

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Buddy Musgrove December 23, 2016 at 8:59 pm

I have always found “durability” to be subjective. Like the myth where a post-groove change Wedge will eat up a golf balls. Not exactly true anymore.

If your ball bounces on a cart path or you hit it into a tree, it will get scuffed. Short of that, durability is subjective.

And for 15 bucks a dozen who cares about perceived durability. You’re gonna lose that golf ball eventually. Now if they make a golf ball that you can’t lose, let me know. I will buy it…

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Alan Navarro December 23, 2016 at 3:38 pm

So let’s say the ball is 10% less effective for a third of the price? To the average mid-high handicapper it won’t make a hell of a difference and they save money. I am a 12 and I don’t see how playing one over the other will make too much of a difference on my score, practicing will though.

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Mike L December 23, 2016 at 10:32 am

I’ve used both the prov1x and prov1 as well as the Kirkland. The K ball is in fact longer by my experience by as much as 8 or 9 yards with similar strikes. A bit more firm feel to the K ball but not an issue for me. Spin rates around the greens are similar. The K ball is a bit less durable but not by much. I will definitely play this ball in the future if they ever get back in stock. I have great respect for the bottom line dollar also.

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Todd D Heugly December 23, 2016 at 3:32 pm

I chuckle at the Titleist purists. They can’t handle that a ball performs just as well if not better than their crown jewel for a fraction of the cost. I played Titleist for years when I was competing professionally and this Kirkland ball is just as good.

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Bryan Pate December 23, 2016 at 3:30 pm

Will be interesting when the new PV1 comes out. They are stating it is longer than this years. The PV1x defiantly goes further. So many good balls out there right now.

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Gary Sammons December 23, 2016 at 10:30 am

Bottom line is this, the average golfer probably won’t notice the subtle differences in the ball they use. I want a consistency in a ball, soft feel, ample spin and carry. If I can get that at a bargain, I am definitely in!! Why spend $50 when I can get it for $15? I got lucky enough to get a box, just need the weather to cooperate enough to try them out. Excited to get the chance.

Keep up the great testing!! I look forward to the tests that you guys do because you have nothing to gain or lose in the mix. If you want to know how something really is go with the folks that use it. Like everything else tho, the golf industry is in it for the money. That is where their loyalties lie, in who is paying their paycheck, and deservedly so. I’m fairly loyal to my company too, whether I agree with all they do or not.

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Rich Ebbe December 23, 2016 at 3:27 pm

Breed is a Titleist staff guy and Hank is a Taylormade guy…OF COURSE they would have an issue with a “no name” ball that they can’t get endorsements from personally.

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Jack O'Neal December 23, 2016 at 3:55 pm

He’s actually now a Callaway guy

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Rich Ebbe December 23, 2016 at 4:02 pm

Well whatever…lol…you got what U meant…haha

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Ed Pascual December 23, 2016 at 3:26 pm

I didn’t know I had to play golf against a robot. In all seriousness, I get the importance of robot testing, as it standardizes a lot of things. But player testing is just as important, if not more.

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Nick Pizzuto December 23, 2016 at 3:24 pm

You guys are the first source that I go to before buying a new club (if you have tested them). You claimed that the Fly-Z+ was long and forgiving, and you were definitely right! Thank you for providing a sensible source in a confusing game!

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Corey Roth December 24, 2016 at 6:11 am

I demo’d the m2 driver 2 times and i never got the distance from the m2 that i get from my fly z+ …. Furthest drive i got out of the m2 was 280, my fly z i can get 300

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Rob Rose December 23, 2016 at 3:20 pm

Why pay more? If there is a difference I don’t think the average player could tell.

This I know for a fact. When I hit my Ksig in the water I feel much better about it than a ProV going in the water

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Robert Slack December 23, 2016 at 10:17 am

Love the way you have stirred the proverbial “Pro Golf Hornets Nest”.
As a merchandise buyer for a large sporting goods company who’s responsibilities include the golf category, I love to see these kinds of stories. The fact that Titleist has restricted the trade channels to whom they will sell their beloved ProV’s, I’m loving this story with the Kirkland Signature Golf Ball. I hit one this past weekend at Monarch Beach Golf Course in Dana Point and loved the way it played! Kudos to Kirkland and Costco!

It doesn’t look like you guys released the actual robot data on the Kirkland ball and referenced the data from another test, “So, here is a robot test performed by GolfLabs for another ball company Vice Golf”. Is there a reason you didn’t release the actual robot data you had done on the Kirkland / ProV comparison?

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Lee Pruiett December 23, 2016 at 10:15 am

I have looked for the Kirkland ball and Coctco in Rockwall, Texas does not have it. Does it really exist? I can buy Vice and Snell on line, but the time you pay for shipping, the cost is getting close to the same.

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Ed Price December 23, 2016 at 10:15 am

Sad , but understandable those boys sticking up for there brand. But a guy needs to try em all to see what’s right for YOU !!

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James Warren December 23, 2016 at 3:13 pm

Is it wrong to be a fan of all three. I appreciate My Golf Spy for their independent testing, I don’t watch Breed often but on Monday’s during the football off season I will tune him in, and I frequently listen to Haney on Sirius. His show is usually entertaining. The Kirkland Golf ball is just a sign of the future of retail. Direct sales with no middle man and no endorsements means either a much higher profit margin or a greatly reduced price for the consumer. Costco opted for the price option.

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Jerry G. December 23, 2016 at 10:12 am

I have yet to use the ball, but have played with guys while they had the ball in play. A 14 hit it thin into the green with a pw and it spun back off the green. I had never seen him do that. He had no loss of distance with his other clubs that was noticeable to me.
My usual 4ball partner found one on the 16th hole in the tall grass. He is in his early 60’s, a 6 and a solid player. On the 17th, a par 5, he hit the longest drive I had ever seen him hit. He was on in two for the first time ever on that hole.
I have a couple dozen coming.

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Edward Brumby December 23, 2016 at 3:06 pm

Heard both interviews. Thought you acquitted yourself well. Sounded like Breed had just had a desperate call from Titleist and was taking the party line. Haney pressed you, but genuinely seemed interested in the answers. I assume the metrics on your site are going through the roof. Can’t wait to try a Kirkland ball myself, though I like the Titleist NXT better than other balls I’ve tried.

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MyGolf Spy December 23, 2016 at 3:27 pm

Actually no traffic spikes from this. Not many listeners go from radio to going to a computer and typing in a search.

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Tony December 23, 2016 at 10:03 am

I’ve hit the KSig and found it to be not only slightly longer off the tee and irons but also to have very similar spin on wedge shots.
But the bigger picture is that the KSig ball highlights just how much larger the profit margin Titleist, Callaway, and other $50 plus ball sellers are getting. But then again, they do have to pay for the soap boxers; Breed and Ho Haney!

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Justin December 23, 2016 at 10:01 am

The problem with going against the grain: it’s an easy way to get discredited… and laughed at.

The only real truth in golf is there are 25 million (+/-) golfers, with 25 million different swings. Each applies the club face to the ball just a little differently, which alters the launch conditions.

There’s no one definitive “correct” answer, just what’s right for the individual and their circumstances. But it’s hard to break brandwashing… The good news is, the more tests we see like the Kirkland one, the more people will realize their options aren’t limited to only what the advertisements tell us.

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Revkev December 23, 2016 at 10:04 am

Absolutely this!

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Jay December 23, 2016 at 9:59 am

Player test is the best way to analyze any and all product. Just viewed Mark Crossfields M1 review and the difference in performance is all determined on quality of strike. The robot results will give us all a starting point, but Mygolfspy is right. We need to do the testing.

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Lee Samis December 23, 2016 at 9:56 am

I have used the Kirkland ball for a few rounds and it seems fine to me. “I am not a robot”.

But I am so inconsistent that my experience is meaningless!

Too bad Moe Norman is no longer with us. He could have quickly told us, and would give the straight answer even though he was supported late in life by generous Titleist.

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Phil Martens December 23, 2016 at 2:56 pm

Way to go MGS! I am a 4 hndcp and have played pro V1x for years – recently played the Kirkland ball and it was longer and a more fun ball to play. Will have to try the Vice balls as I have heard they are also better than pro V’s from my bud’s who have played them.

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Justin Blair December 24, 2016 at 8:11 pm

Snell, Vice, MG Golf (the C4), and and Kirklands are all viable alternatives. I’ve played all but the Kirklands, but will rectify that very soon!

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Joseph Dreitler December 23, 2016 at 2:55 pm

All very interesting. Please explain in more detail about the components and structure of this ball. Telling me that a product is made in the same factory as X in today’s world of supply chains is meaningless. But telling me that their components, structure, QC, manufacturing processes, etc are similar is really a game changer.

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Pointer December 23, 2016 at 9:55 am

I started out thinking Hank Haney was a ho to guy who could be trusted. He really pushed the swish thing and I bought one. For too much money. Then suddenly the new model was available for a similar price and I knew I’d been had.

I currently use Snell MTB and there is virtually no reason to pay big bucks for the big names.

Looking forward to trying the Kirkham ball.

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Pointer December 23, 2016 at 9:59 am

Go to
And Kirkland

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Ken December 23, 2016 at 9:54 am

Perhaps. I will say though that the cover durability on the ProV is far superior. I played a ball reviewed here and it was as long, soft and played just like the titleist. But the cover didn’t come close to holding up and exhibited wear much faster. So if I’m playing 5 balls a round instead of one, eventually the cost evens out.

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Joe December 23, 2016 at 2:20 pm

Five balls a round because the cover is slightly less durable? Not a chance!

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steve s December 23, 2016 at 9:52 am

Of course Breed and Haney are going to dispute anything that is contrary to their world view. Even if the argument about quality is valid(which is nonsense) for the casual golfer the Kirkland is still cheaper than most 2-piece balls. Even IF all balls travel the same the cost argument is NOT disputable. And IF all balls travel the same WHY would anybody pay $50 for balls when the $15 balls work the same? There arguments are illogical.

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Uhit December 23, 2016 at 9:51 am

Robotesting balls is probably the best field for robot tests in the golf industry…
…you should really give it it a go in future ball tests…
…it would for sure shorten the discussions about the validity of your tests.

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David Stucky December 23, 2016 at 2:51 pm

Did they provide any evidence of their own to back up ANY their claims? Or was it really just political spin meant to confuse the public and put the legitimacy of your test in doubt?

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MyGolf Spy December 23, 2016 at 2:59 pm

They provided no evidence. Just doubt of our test.

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David Stucky December 23, 2016 at 3:30 pm

LOL shocker. Just a bunch of blowhards. Keep up the good work.

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Fred Bluhm December 24, 2016 at 6:32 am

MyGolf Spy They were probably pushed into sounding off on your testing modes by their sponsors. Should have left well enough alone. Well done, guys. MGS is the only real source for the truth.

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David Stucky December 24, 2016 at 2:03 pm

Fred Bluhm yeah they really only legitimized MyGolfSpy more by giving them a national platform.

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MyGolf Spy December 25, 2016 at 12:30 am

Fred Bluhm – definitely hearing there might be some truth to your assumption. Unfortunate if true.

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David Stucky December 25, 2016 at 4:59 pm

MyGolf Spy my buddy and I are huge fans and live in this DC area. Would love to swing by some time when we’re down that way. Keep up the great work guys.

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MyGolf Spy December 25, 2016 at 6:01 pm

David Stucky – Just let me know when you are passing thru 😉

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Scott Vaughn December 23, 2016 at 2:49 pm

Great work!

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Adam Smith December 23, 2016 at 9:48 am

Has anyone played the Cosco ball? I’m beginning to think it doesn’t exist. Have tried 2 Cosco in Florida and one in Myrtle Beach….they don’t have them

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Steve S December 23, 2016 at 10:06 am

Yes Adam, I played it the last time I played(before the snow arrived). Played 9 holes with the Kirkland and the Taylormade Tour Preferred X(a five piece ball). I hit each ball on every shot. I always hit the Tour X second since my second try tends to be a better swing. I saw virtually no difference with either ball. I actually putted a bit better with the Ksig. As far as wedge shots they both spun and stopped about the same. Drives(the good strikes) were mostly within a yard or two of each other. The longest drive was with a Kirkland by about 5 yards but can’t tell you if the carry was the same or not. Since roll is so surface dependent hard to know if the Tour X hit a soft spot on the fairway. Bottom line is I have 2 dozen Ksigs and I will be playing them as long as they are available…after my Tour X’s are gone.(only have 6 left).

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Jeremy Wassom December 23, 2016 at 2:45 pm

Haney has said to try different balls and see what works for you

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Bert Pit December 23, 2016 at 9:43 am

It’s Volkswagen vs Mercedes, or Casillero del Diablo vs Chateau Lafite. If you are willing to pay a premium you get more prestige instead of quality. Unfortunately in the Netherlands the Kirklands are not available.

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Doug Ng December 23, 2016 at 2:41 pm

They should disclose to the public how much they get for wearing their logos before they make comments like that. Maybe Costco should endorse them, wonder if that would make a difference?

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Rolf Mulder December 23, 2016 at 9:41 am

The powers that be in the golf world are finally having to,answer the call,glad to see MyGolfSpy making them squirm

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Charlie Walker December 23, 2016 at 2:38 pm

Wouldn’t a comparison between the Ksig ball and another 4 piece ball, like the ProV1X, have been a more apples to apples comparison?

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MyGolf Spy December 23, 2016 at 2:44 pm

If you read the review or listened to the shows we explain exactly why these two were chosen.

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Charlie Walker December 23, 2016 at 3:05 pm

I did read the review, and I think it was done very well. How did you come to the conclusion that compression and cover hardness is a better control than layer makeup?

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Colby Evans December 23, 2016 at 2:33 pm

I was working when it was on yesterday. Is it up online somewhere?

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Mike Rausch December 23, 2016 at 2:43 pm
Steve December 26, 2016 at 12:03 am

No surprise pro v1 came from a bridgestone tourstage 392 ball that went way further late 90s callaway copied it too .have told customers bridgstone srixon balls half the price perform exactly the same.they have disowned discount stores in Australia wanting 59.90 not 89 a box.a rip off company with balls but there clubs not a crazy price.pros Dont pay for balls

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MyGolf Spy December 23, 2016 at 2:44 pm

Sirius on Demand

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Oscar Felipe Perez December 23, 2016 at 2:32 pm

What will be important is how it feels for us, let’s hope soon 🤓🤓 Ximena Perez 😚😚

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Rob Avery December 23, 2016 at 2:23 pm

Keep doing you!!!! Player testing is the absolute. It’s funny how the establishment wants a consistent swing but yet preaches that every swing is different. I’m a proud MyGolf Spy follower..

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Ryan Holcomb December 23, 2016 at 2:23 pm

Michael “The Squawker” Breed is what’s wrong with golf. There’s too much to list here with his dumb ass theories designed to sell books and his sponsorships that interfere with his “news guy” persona. Ef him

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Marshall Saxon December 23, 2016 at 10:17 am

How is a guy who is enthusiastic about the game what’s wrong with golf?

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Michael Woods December 23, 2016 at 2:22 pm

Seems like they would try to prove you wrong with a Kirkland ball test

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Ed Murr December 23, 2016 at 2:22 pm

Just goes to show that the “Big Guys” are quaking in their boots because there are better, less expensive options out there! Keep up the great work MyGolf Spy!

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Scott Romines December 23, 2016 at 2:20 pm

Robots don’t play golf, people do….and not every strike is perfect when they do……that being said, easy way to settle this…..do the robot testing and bring those results on their show….if the performance is the same, they won’t have a leg to stand on

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Josh Smith December 23, 2016 at 10:39 pm

Except the robot that made the hole in one at Waste Management last year

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Mitchell Burney December 23, 2016 at 2:17 pm

Even if they are right about the robot testing. I’m sure the performance difference is negligible and the vast majority of golfers will see no difference to justify the price premium. The exclusionary attitude of these 2 and others like them is hurting golf.

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MyGolf Spy December 23, 2016 at 2:27 pm

We just published the robot test 😉

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Marc Anderson December 24, 2016 at 2:25 am

Exactly.. I have played the Kirkland ball and find it to be longer than the ProV1x off the driver. It’s worth every penny and then some. At the end of the day…. any premium ball plays very similar and even low cappers are not going to benefit much with one ball over another. Play 4 rounds with using a different premium ball for each 9 holes (8 balls total) and the scores will most likely be very similar

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Robert Fraioli December 23, 2016 at 2:15 pm

imagine that…one is a titleist guy and the other a callaway guy

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Daniel Hazelhurst December 23, 2016 at 2:14 pm

The golf industry as a whole is just smoke and mirrors to get the average guy (or girl!) to part company with their hard earned cash! You are one of the very few exceptions….

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Justin Blair December 24, 2016 at 8:09 pm

The OEMs are there to make money, not help us play better.

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Paul A Reiter Jr. December 23, 2016 at 2:08 pm

Blind, unquestioning partisanship fails whether it’s politics or golf balls. Big thumbs up to MGS and keep up the good work.

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Dan Spencer December 23, 2016 at 2:07 pm

Suck it up Titleist!
You can’t blame them though, surely it’s only the Pro V1 that keeps them afloat?!

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Sean Ryan Sheridan December 23, 2016 at 2:06 pm

Breed is a complete tool. That being said, of course no industry insider wants a $15 ball to outperform the $50 ball (where $30 per dozen goes towards towards endorsements, not testing or R&D or anything useful. I trust numbers, and performance, not shills who work for the very companies that make golf an elitist sport in the first place.
Maybe if we can find a way to lower the cost of a set of kids clubs and some other equipment, then golf may actually grow. No one has “extra” money for their golf budget, so the companies that let us stretch our budgets now will likely be the ones making waves with us in the future.

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Jimmy Fuller December 23, 2016 at 3:07 pm

There are equivalent equipment options as well. I believe it was MGS tgat compared clones, to name brand equipment and the results were marginal vs. cost as well. The thing I like about clones is it helps support local golf businesses as well.

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Brad Wuhs December 23, 2016 at 2:05 pm

Not surprising that Breed would come to the rescue. I didn’t get to see the show – did he disclose his close personal (financial?) relationship with that company?

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MyGolf Spy December 23, 2016 at 2:27 pm

To be fair, yes he did.

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Miguel Dabu December 23, 2016 at 2:04 pm

Titleist has been posting hard on their Facebook account about how great their golf balls are. I guess they feel threatened since the KSigs came out.

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Jonathan Melendez December 23, 2016 at 2:01 pm

KEEP IT UP!! Don’t let the Corporate snobs block your research in favor of us. They are scared as hell.

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Mitchell Burney December 23, 2016 at 2:00 pm

Was that a podcast?

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MyGolf Spy December 23, 2016 at 2:02 pm

Sirius Radio

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Mitchell Burney December 23, 2016 at 2:05 pm

I’ll have to check that out.

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