First Look: KZG ZO Plus Blades
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First Look: KZG ZO Plus Blades

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First Look: KZG ZO Plus Blades

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Model: KZG ZO Plus Blades
Availability: 3-9, PW  RH only
MSRP: $179/club
Additional Notes: KZG requires clubs to be purchased through an authorized KZG account and custom fit to the individual golfer.

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Back in the day….

In the early 2000s, the debates centering around the best blades always included the KZG ZO (Zero Offset) – and rightfully so.

Sidenote: I always felt mislead by the name “ZO” as the offset was actually 1.75 mm for most of the set. I digress…

In those days, the ZO blades were bagged by several non-contract Tour Pros. Sponsorships didn’t have the lucrative pull they do now, so some played the ZO because it was better. Those original ZO blades were legen…wait for it…dary. They could more than hold their own against any forged blade from that this era.

It’s also important to understand a bit of context here. KZG bills itself as the “#1 Custom ProLine” golf company and it’s been steadfast in requiring every club be fit and built by an authorized KZG account. Today custom fit and built clubs are rather commonplace, but in 2001 the fitting requirement differentiated KZG as decidedly upmarket.

Now, the best (arguably, I suppose) iron KZG ever made (ZO blade) is being retired in favor of the redesigned ZO Plus.

So, define “plus”

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Plus gives you the impression that here should be something more and that’s logical. In this case, the ZO Plus blades do offer something extra, but something is also taken away.

KZG has increased the offset slightly. All things being equal, more offset means higher initial launch angles and more spin. It’s an interesting evolution as increased offset (and the impact on ballflight) is not an attribute your typical competitive player seeks out. If anything, reduced offset and a higher COG allow for more control over trajectory and spin. That said, the offset is still minimal by today’s standards, and an eyeball evaluation at address suggests we’re talking tenths of millimeters in change.

What KZG has taken away is a bit of the leading edge. The redesign promotes cleaner contact, better turf interaction (less digging) and more consistent ball speed. The way a club enters and exits the turf is of paramount importance to an accomplished ball striker, and you can’t control trajectory and distance unless you can control impact. The modified leading edge aims to help you do just that.

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The rest of the picture….

KZG bills the ZO Plus as a high end forged blade for competitive players. KZG currently has an astounding 13 iron models in the lineup, and President Jennifer King expects the ZO Plus will account for 5%-8% of overall iron sales. While it won’t be the highest-selling model, it’s always been important to King to carry a club that will satisfy the most demanding players. Where establishing credibility with elite amateurs and competitive players is concerned, no iron is more important to KZG than the ZO Plus.

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The original ZO iron was forged in Japan from soft S25C carbon steel. This time around KZG is less specific with the details, but King cites industry advancements in CAD designs and CNC milling as reasons why the new model is being made in a different factory. In fact, King feels the new forging process, where each head is triple forged and completely CNC milled, is as good or better than Japanese forgings.

The updated process no longer requires hand finishing and polishing, which according to King, was “often faulty” and prone to errors. With fewer hands touching each club, KZG gets a better finished product that cost less and offers higher margins.

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King also points out the ZO Plus is a one-piece forging as opposed to a two-piece forging where the head and hosel are formed separately and then welded together. On this matter, there is no definitive better, and every company has its rationale for why it does things the way it does. Companies using a one-piece forging (e.g. EPON, Vega) feel the uniformity maintains the flow of energy throughout the clubhead, whereas proponents of two piece forgings (e.g. Miura) say it allows for more precise head weights, which then require less hand finishing.

MY THOUGHTS

The performance is entirely what you’d expect from a blade. The ZO Plus is workable and requires the player to hit golf shots rather than make golf swings. You can theoretically hit any shot you can imagine, but the ZO Plus won’t cover up many mistakes. It’s a bit like driving a very fast car with a touchy steering wheel. The slightest adjustment can have drastic results, but this is also part of what makes playing a club like this enjoyable.

As someone who pays careful attention to turf interaction, the leading edge grind is the most important improvement over the original ZO model. The previous model had a tendency to dig and stick, especially in soft conditions. There is no such issue with the ZO Plus.

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I struggle with the notion that we should discuss forgiveness in a club which is inherently unforgiving. It’s a bit like being the cheap house in Beverly Hills. It’s only cheap from a limited and narrow perspective. That said, King asserts initial feedback from players is the ZO Plus are more forgiving than other muscle-back irons. On balance, I found the ZO Plus to be no less forgiving than other modern blades (e.g. Mizuno MP-5, Srixon Z965).

“We don’t skimp on our materials or our manufacturing processes…we insist on perfection,” professes Jennifer King. This is a tough sell for consumers, and whether there’s any factual basis to support people’s perceptions or not, premium forged blades are historically forged in Japan and finished by hand, as opposed to milling machines.

I’m not suggesting there is any empirical evidence which shows that clubs forged in a particular geographical area perform any better or worse, but consumers aren’t always rational creatures. There are, no doubt, plenty a lot of consumers who frankly don’t care where the clubs are made, so long as they offer the desired feel and performance.

For what it’s worth, the ZO Plus offered a moderately dense feel, that’s perhaps slightly firmer than the original ZO blades. It’s impossible to say whether this is good or bad given the subjective nature of feel. Some people like their mattresses firm, while others prefer to sleep on marshmallows. Forged irons aren’t dissimilar.

The Last Word

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It’s always tough to improve on a product which already stands out within a robust line. For many years, the original ZO solidified KZG’s position as a serious player in the better player category. Given the challenge, KZG has done an admirable job of adding substantive features (namely the leading edge grind), which improve performance for the target player.

Critics will see the change in material and forging process as more a cost-cutting measure than one necessary for improved precision, but overall quality meets expectations for the price.

For more information on the ZO Plus and other KZG clubs, visit www.kzg.com – And as always, we welcome your thoughts, comments, and questions.

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      PlaidJacket

      7 years ago

      I recently purchased a set of KZG irons from a guy. I have a combo/blended set. Not sure what model they are but they are basically new but still many years old. I’m getting ready to have my fitter set them up for me with aerotech shafts. Looking forward to seeing how they play. They definitely are sweet looking.

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      Thomas Murphy

      7 years ago

      so you could call this (as part of the battle of mystique produced forgings) the KZG Y Grind :-) which is also a feature of Titleist 716mb/cb, and others. If you aren’t a picker like Norman and you play in any soft conditions… It is interesting that hand finishing is a craft with that special aura around it “ground by the hands of …” and all machine finishing is evil yet machines can be more precise and consistent. A machine built watch is probably more accurate, it isn’t a work of art. My golf game is neither…(but I am working on it ;-) )

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Well said Thomas. Precision is Perfection! Good luck with your golf.

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      joro

      7 years ago

      I have been playing with KZG for about 10 yrs now. I have the leftie forged II-M with Fiber Steel shafts and they are amazing clubs. I have had Wilson, Callaway CF, and lately Mizuno Hot Metal, but the KZGs always go back in the bag. You can’t beat the feel and quality of the clubs. I am sure the new ones are just as good as mine which supposedly were forged by Miura according to the owner who is a bit interesting, but the clubs are righteous.

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      mackdaddy

      7 years ago

      When I got my set last year from KZG they let me have the option to have them forged in Japan for $200 per club or at the other forge for $150. I happily paid for the Japanize forging.

      Are they not doing that anymore?

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      Lee Scott

      7 years ago

      Absolute perfection… I didn’t think KZG could improve on their blades but they sure did. Great look at address. The feel and workability is fantastic . They are easier to play than the original ZO Blades. KZG continues to make irons that exceed my expectations.

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Thank you Lee.

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      Whatever

      7 years ago

      I am horrified that Jennifer succumbed to the crap Chinese Forgings and then I read about the two piece she said.
      I worked for her in sales long time ago and sat in her office while she called my customers or potential customers to help. She is a freaking brilliant talented women and protects her brand and company because she owns it and can do that. She works her ass off on that company and can drive the clients or fitters that she allows to carry her clubs nutz. She a very pushy salesperson and has strict rules and punishment should u not follow her rules. This pissed customers off because she adheres rules to all no matter size or relationship. Makes life clear so they know the deal why she shuts them off when they sold one set in a year. That’s not a dealer she would say, that’s glue and stick garage hobby guy in his basement selling knockoffs or components with epoxy all over his clothes. I respect that so her brand isn’t tarnished by a bad fitter, builder or have her quality associated with absolute garbage. That’s why she believes only approved fitters can carry the clubs cause her sticks with great fit makes her clubs rise above all others but basement billy and epoxy ed that took a club building hobby workshop claim to be fitters but don’t have abflightscope or trackman etc. because they can “fit by eyeball” are full of crap and will fit her customer poorly do customer thinks sticks suck when it was epoxy Ed that actually sucked. Customer that Ed fit now comes on here bad mouthing sticks but not her fault. Now approved fitter great fit and customer comes here saying those blades are best ever. Makes sense. That being said I am so sad she sold out and pains me to her her saying these Blatant falsehoods she does not truelly believe. Our Forgings were Japanese one piece Forgings double stamped from a billet of steel as soft as allowed to specs. We would crap all over the CNC machine milled Chinese garbage and coin Forgings from China. She espewed all day how those are garbage not “true Forgings that were basically cast but stamped for mass market. Then she would crap all over the two piece Forgings from Miura because of the frequency waves not flowing true thru two pieces but KZG one piece Forgings was superior because of frequency flow. And all her points were correct. Here is the key point, KZG Forgings were amazing because they were true quality Japanese Forgings in one piece from one soft billet of steel hand made. You can’t use the same soft steel in garbage cheep Chinese Forgings and the stamping is useless on coin forged because they are hard steel and are just like cast. So sad she shrunk so low and sold out her dealers and customers. This must kill her having to say these things she knows untrue to save a dollar but hurt the players that played her clubs and loved them for the Japanese Quality Forgings made were Samurai swords were meticulously crafted. C’mon JK your better than that and I respect the hell out of you and u treated me fantastically but be true to your heart and don’t peddle the Crap like fake news for the NWO. Miss u JK but I am hurt u sold out. Never thought u would spout this stuff for a dollar like the Democrats u used to despise. Hope all is well in Desert. Oh yeah, Mr Miura touches every club and he had hands of a god or something like that Miura pawns off is crap also. The old man is legally blind or probably passed by now but u should hope his hands never touch ur stick. Remember those lines JK?! I would crack up when u said that stuff to dealers. It was amazing fun and she a great women but this saddens me.

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      gunmetal

      7 years ago

      I was a KZG dealer…with a Flightscope and a storefront too (haha). If you think that Chinese foundries are still putting out the same quality they were 10-15 years ago, you are sorely mistaken. Yes apparently there is something mystique about a “Japanese forged” iron maybe because of their Samurai heritage or maybe because for a long time the Chinese forgings left a lot to be desired. This is no longer the case. Chinese foundries are producing excellent forgings these days to tight tolerances.

      I do not miss the days of Jennifer calling me up asking me why I was selling that “Wishon and Nakashima garbage that guys in their basement are building” LMAO. You’re going to rip a legend like Tom Wishon, lol???

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      joro

      7 years ago

      I was a dealer also for a while until she decided I didn’t buy enough product. The product was great, quality at that time was Miura quality, weights, lofts, lies, were always right on, and a great finish. But JK was a bit over the top. Oy Vay.

      Ross Johnson

      7 years ago

      What a beauty! Would love to be able to get fitted for a set, why does golf have to be expensive!?

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      Chris Roach

      7 years ago

      I was fit 6 years ago for KZG forged Evolutions. I have been playing these irons ever since and absolutely love them. They’re starting to wear out though. I’d love to get new heads but don’t see a need to get fit again as these clubs are as comfortable as well-worn slippers. Unfortunately my original fitter stopped working with KZG over a dispute over some poor quality driver heads. As a result, I am unable to get new heads without going through an entirely new fitting, which I see as unnecessary. KZG should make the process easier (and cheaper) for repeat customers to replace their fitted clubs with fresh heads.

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      neil

      7 years ago

      Get the rechromed at the iron factory

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      mackdaddy

      7 years ago

      I played the ZO blades up until 2 years ago. They were awesome. I only switched because of the digging and found the KZG Forged III a CB to be easier to hit and very workable. I will have to look at these!

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Love you MackDaddy!

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      Bob Pegram

      7 years ago

      KZG is difficult to work with – won’t even sell the wood head weights nor wrenches to adjust your clubs. They have to adjusted by a clubmaker. When my Bullet 9-iron hosel cracked they refused to sell me a head.

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      Bob Pegram

      7 years ago

      I have a set of Bullet .444 INVINCIBLE-II blades which are the same Kyoei heads as the old KZG ZO blades. Their 1993 date predates the existence of KZG as a company. They were the staff irons for Roger Dunn golf. Dunn dropped the Bullet name in 1994 and KZG grabbed them. Somebody stole my set. Found another set on Ebay minus the 1 iron. My 1-iron is the KZG stamping, same head otherwise.
      As I have gotten older and play less due to work I went to an old Orlimar cavity back set apparently also made by Kyoei. Still have the box of Bullet heads. I practice with the 1-iron for fine and swing tuning. Both are great clubs.

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      joro

      7 years ago

      That is true, they make it hard to deal with them. Also the resale sucks along with them doing no publicity to get the word out. Marketing does wonders for the mfgr. and the buyer. Probably the best club nobody ever heard of.

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      Berniez40

      7 years ago

      Always loved the KZG line. Many moons ago I played a set of the more forgiving CH III ‘S as the blades are way too much club for a mud- capper such as me. Those irons stayed in the bag for a long time. It took TaylirMade, Callaway, and the other usual suspects 10 years to catch up with some of the very first hollow headed irons built. Even then the big boys were calling their designs ,”The Latest Technology.”

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Thank you Bernie….
      We are always trying to stay on top of the technology game. We pride ourselves in being a true golf company, not a marketing company.
      Cheers

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      Steve Weisenborn

      7 years ago

      Slick man! Your next set?

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      Alan Joss

      7 years ago

      I still have a set of ZO blades in the loft, occasionally take them out in the winter. Best looking blades I have ever owned. New ones look great.

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Thank you very much.

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      Gary

      7 years ago

      As a club hobbiest that builds for my golfing buddy’s, I think it’s crazy that you have to be a authorized fitter. I ordered a driver and 3W around 15 years ago, then tried to order again and was shut down so all my business went to Wishon. Don’t build but 1-2 sets a year but that’s business I would think they would want that could lead to more.

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      Matt

      7 years ago

      You can order heads from Wilson?

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      joro

      7 years ago

      No, Wilson nor any other large Club Co. will sell heads only.. If you are a leftie I have 2 sets I am selling,

      Steve

      7 years ago

      Eye candy for sure. A club that looks that good tempts a player like me to bag them just to pretty up the bag, only to remember that they don’t correspond to my ability. ?

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      Scott Thatcher

      7 years ago

      No I haven’t. Being lefty in all I didn’t think they made them for me. Lol

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Stay tuned to My Golf Spy ;)

      Reply

      Billy McDonald

      7 years ago

      Played their Forged Blades that predated the ZO blades. Very forgiving for a blade, terrific feel. Still find myself searching for them on ebay from time to time.

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Hi Billy,
      Unfortunately the original blades predate the ruling on grooves, so they are no longer legal. We hope you get the opportunity to test the ZO Plus.

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      Aleksi Lepistö

      7 years ago

      The zero offset is really interesting

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      Lance Go

      7 years ago

      Ohhhhh yehhhh

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      Chris Mendes

      7 years ago

      You ever hit them? Pretty sweet blade. Remind me a lot of my Griffits from way back when. Lol.

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      Breanna Gill

      7 years ago

      No worries if you decide to come to Perth for your fit let me know

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      Josh Hubbard

      7 years ago

      KZG irons are amazing.

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Thank you Josh :)

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      Tom Mann

      7 years ago

      douch clubs…

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      Ron Griffin

      7 years ago

      Yes. Played MC IIX and MA-Is. The latter is my travel set.

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Thanks for your support Ron. Glad you are enjoying your irons.

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      Sheridan Gorton

      7 years ago

      Thanks bree! I was thinking about getting them- they’re so mint

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      Bob Venekamp

      7 years ago

      No, but they look like my titleist 670’s. Like it

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      John Dunworth

      7 years ago

      Yes. Really like them.

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      Brett Viboch

      7 years ago

      Taylor Neal they’re back!

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      Robert Williams

      7 years ago

      Had a set of the CH-1 blades, driver, and 3 wood. Still have the 3 wood. The blades were great the few times I actually hit the sweet spot. Had to go to a cavity back to maintain my sanity.

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      Gregory S. Addis

      7 years ago

      Yep… Had a driver too that was nasty long…

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Which driver model?

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      Rob Nieth

      7 years ago

      Never have but they sure look sexy!

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      John Nolan

      7 years ago

      Nope

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      Bill Barclay

      7 years ago

      Good bats

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      deejaid

      7 years ago

      These look like a beautiful cross between the original ZO irons and the standard KZG Forged Blades. Very attractive heads.

      I just don’t think KZG has a clear idea of what it wants to be. They continue to only be sold through their network of builders, which is quite small. The consumer that seeks out a set of custom built forged irons has certain expectations of how the clubs should be made. Japanese forged and hand ground are the hallmarks of a great set of custom forged irons. A Chinese forging finished by a CNC machine loses much of the aura and mystique that consumers of these clubs look for.

      With Hogans demise and Miura making changes in ownership, KZG could have positioned itself as the top custom forged iron company in the US. Hand ground heads forged in the Kyeoi factory with the right marketing could have done that. Chinese forged heads finished in a CNC machine? Well they now offer nothing that can’t be had from Titleist, Taylor Made or Callaway for less money and easier availability.

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      Bobtrumpet

      7 years ago

      Not quite. You still have the aspects of a custom fitting (off of a fitting cart doesn’t count – it just doesn’t) and custom build (not from the same build line as the production clubs) which adds value for the target audience. You don’t get the same attention to detail (yes, I know this can vary among custom builders) from the big names unless you go to Cool Clubs or similar outfits (not the same as ordering to spec from an OEM – lots of stories about how custom orders have to be sent back over and over again).

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      Neil Cameron

      7 years ago

      Are KZG original designs or Open models?

      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Thank you Bob for your comments. You are so right about fitting and building. KZG only works with outstanding fitters and builders…those with superior skill, integrity and passion.

      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      We agree that there is a romantic mystique about hand ground forgings. The forging process itself is a mechanized process and frankly there is little or no difference in the forged product regardless where made if in a top notch facility. The CNC milling process assures zero tolerance in the specifications resulting in pin point accuracy.

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      Glenn Lickness

      7 years ago

      Yes outstanding

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      Tom Fagerli

      7 years ago

      Excellent clubs. Just waggled mine from the early 2000s

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      Stephen Peszel

      7 years ago

      I have a bagful of these. Custom made for me and the best money I have spent on golf.

      KZG VC-420 Driver 10.5 deg with 38 lb flex black NovaTech 6000 shaft.
      KZG Q 3 Wood 15 deg with 37 lb Fierce Full Force shaft silver
      KZG Q 5 Wood, 19 deg with 37 lb Fierce Full Force shaft silver
      KZG H370 Tour hybrid 22 deg with Silver NovaTech shaft 38 lbs
      KZG forged cavity back CBIII wedges AW -5 iron, bent 3 deg up, with silver 38lb graphite NovaTech shafts
      KZG 60 degree forged wedge NS shaft.

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Love to hear this…so glad you are enjoying your clubs,

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      Stephen Mcconnell

      7 years ago

      Great clubs
      Totally under rated amongst many

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Glad there are knowledgeable guys like you around! Cheers

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      Jelmer Van Heek

      7 years ago

      Ralph GrinwisGolftraining iets voor jou? Of jij neemt mijn Titleists en ik deze!

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      Ralph GrinwisGolftraining

      7 years ago

      Holy crap that’s golfporn

      Reply

      Cody Perna

      7 years ago

      I play the KZG ZO satin blade…. By far the greatest iron I have ever struck!!!

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Thank you Cody…hope you still hit them long and straight.

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      cgasucks

      7 years ago

      Me likey!!!

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      Dennis Duncan

      7 years ago

      had some years ago and loved them

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Glad you loved them. Which model did you use?

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      Ariel Elvambuena

      7 years ago

      Actually got a new set of combo irons now. KZG Satin Blades and MC IIIX NOS. One trip to the range and felt great when i hit them flush, but ulimately too demanding for me. Looking to get rid of them if anyone is interested!

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      Austin Getz

      7 years ago

      How much?

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      Bob Stewart

      7 years ago

      Used KZG irons when I won the Scottish Seniors Amatuer Championship in 2008, still have them in storage.

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      Chris Nickel

      7 years ago

      That’s awesome! Would love to know make/model and specs.

      Reply

      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Congrats on your win in 2008 … which model were you playing? Hope you get a chance to try some of KZG’s newest models…you deserve another win.

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      Ben Goergen

      7 years ago

      Always considered the original Zo the best blade I ever played and the best looking I have ever seen. These look just as good and a little easier to hit. Stunning iron!!

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      The ZO was very popular and one of the best looking irons ever made. Thank you for your kind comments.

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      Zach Heisler

      7 years ago

      Had their irons when I was a kid. Great clubs!

      Reply

      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Glad you enjoyed our irons when you were a kid. Thank you.

      Reply

      Sam Morrow

      7 years ago

      I still have an old set of blades from around 99 or 2000. If the grooves weren’t gone on the wedge and 7 iron I’d probably still play them. As fine a forging as anything made at the time.

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      Jennifer

      7 years ago

      Glad to hear you loved our wedges…back in 99 or 2000….hope you can test our more recent models… I am sure you will love them. Cheers, J

      Reply

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