Counterbalanced Putters (vs) Standard Putters
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Counterbalanced Putters (vs) Standard Putters

Counterbalanced Putters (vs) Standard Putters

By Dave Wolfe

Does Counterbalanced Give You An Advantage?

Let’s find out!

But first let’s quickly talk about what a counterbalance putter is and why they’re gaining in popularity.  In counterbalanced putter designs, the weighting, and often the total length, differs from a conventional putter. Counterbalanced putter heads are heavier, in some cases by 50 grams or more. To compensate for the extra weight, even more weight is placed above the golfer’s hands. This is accomplished by extending the shaft length, adding more weight to the end of the shaft itself, or both.

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This counterbalance technology  increases the putters’s overall MOI (moment of inertia), which in theory, they tell us, will make our putting strokes more stable.

Although counterbalancing isn’t new, manufacturers have promoted its benefits as an alternative to anchoring, which as you know the USGA has banned (the new rule goes into effect in 2016).  Forward-thinking putter manufactures have quickly come up with alternatives for those who currently anchor. Counterbalancing is, to date, the most popular of those alternatives.

Counterbalancing is more stable alternative to standard putter. You will make more putts. You will lower your scores.

At least that’s what we’ve been told…

But Is Counterbalancing The Answer?

While there has been a lot of talk, and type, about counterbalancing being the anchoring answer, any data supporting such a claim has been conspicuously absent. At MyGolfSpy, we are all about data. If counterbalanced putters do offer advantages on the course, those advantages should be quantifiable through objective testing.

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For this test we used three identical Bettinardi Golf putters.  The only difference between the models tested was the fact that one was standard and one was counterbalanced.  The models tested were the BB1, the BB32, and the BB55. Using the scoring results from these putters allows us to compare standard and counterbalanced versions of the same putters, from the same manufacturer, and, most importantly, in the hands of the same testers.

If the counterbalanced putters do, in fact, provide an advantage, then we should see that advantage demonstrated in the Number of Putts Made and Accuracy data.

DATA: Number of Putts Made

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When we compile the makes from the three models, we see that the differences between the make percentage for the counterbalanced vs. non-counterbalanced is inconclusive. While there may potentially be a made putt advantage with the BB1-CB (see Individual Putter Data), the data as a while does not support any assertions that golfer will automatically sink more putts by switching to a counterbalanced putter.

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When we look at the individual putters, the only counterbalanced model that suggests an even slight, Number of Putts Made advantage is the BB1-CB.

The BB1-CB’s make percentages were higher for two of the recorded distances. However, since the scores for the BB1-CB are only marginally better, we can’t definitively say that the counterbalanced version of the BB1 gives a golfer the ability to make more putts than he or she would with the standard version. The data only suggests that there may be something there.

The other models produced very inconclusive data. The BB32 and BB55 pairs tied at one distance for makes, while splitting wins at the other two distances. No definitive counterbalanced advantage was observed for either mallet in this category.

DATA: Accuracy at 5’, 10’, and 20’

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When we compile and average the accuracy values for the three models, we see that the counterbalanced putters were no more accurate as a group than the standard putters. The  per-putt differences between the standard and the counterbalanced models would not not be noticeable for the average golfer out on the course.

This data suggests that there is no practical accuracy advantage to gaming counterbalanced putters.

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The BB1-CB had a slight putts made advantage over the standard BB1, but the overall accuracy values show that the standard version of the BB1 was more accurate at two of the three distances. The standard version of the BB32 also proved more accurate at 10’ and 20’, after scoring significantly lower than the BB32-CB at 5’.

In contrast, testers put up more accurate scores at 10’ and 20’ with the BB55-CB than they did the standard version. This data supports would seem to support the idea that counterbalancing could make the putter more accurate from distance than its non-counterbalanced equivalent.

So are counterbalanced putters the anchoring answer?

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Our data suggests that using a counterbalanced putter will not magically make any golfer a better putter. For out test group, neither Putts Made nor overall Accuracy improved to any significant degree as a result of switching to a counterbalanced model.

The counterbalanced putters may not be the miracle stick for all golfers, but it is still possible that counterbalanced putters will be the answer for some golfers when the anchoring ban goes into effect. There is a subset of golfers, both amateur and professional, who believe that they cannot putt effectively with a standard putter. It’s the reason why they went to the anchored putter in the first place. For these golfers, the counterbalanced putter could prove to be an effectively matched tool, providing smoothness and stability that would otherwise be lost with the loss of anchoring.

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      Dennis Beach

      3 years ago

      Wow! I found this old thread looking for info on counter balancing (countercore) for putters. Just bought a Cleveland Huntington Beach 11C, at 33″. The feel is a lot different than my 20 year old Carbide ZH, which is still a good putter to me. Wanted to update my bag, so got the HB, and I never had a center shafted putter, and was looking for something that framed the ball with alignment marks, or the shape of the putter. This does both. But at 33″, I was just not comfortable. Cut down my ZH to 29″, did the same to the HB, but put in a 25 g conterCore weight. Bought the Super Stroke Traxion Tour 2.0, with CounterCore rech. Had a SS 2.0 on the ZH. Practice in the house on the carpet, and it feels pretty smooth. Want to take it out on the course, and see if it really works for me. Maybe put in the 50 g, at a later date. Jury still out for me.

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      Chuck Smidstra

      8 years ago

      I play the TaylorMade spider blade. I personally like the club. It is comfortable for me. Helps my putting being able to move my hands around more. Whatever works for people.

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      Kevin Unterreiner

      8 years ago

      I switched to the Lie Angle Balanced Directed Force Putters this year and it really helped. Putter is now my fav club in the bag.

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      Kevin

      9 years ago

      Although I appreciate your test, unfortunately the only thing the results showed were that cb putters didn’t improve the TEST GROUP’S putting.

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      Travis

      5 years ago

      I mean no offense, but this is a dumb comment. You could use this weak and illogical argument against any study ever conducted… “These results only proved this did/didn’t work for the group! Not me !” The point of test groups, focus groups, etc. is to conduct a study that might be applicable to a large breadth of people. It is not to say the results will be uniform across the board as there will always be variability and outliers…

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      Mbwa Kali Sana

      9 years ago

      What a fuss over putters :if you are a good putter ,you Will put well Even with a broomstick.
      Just find a putter That fits you and stick with it .

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      Travis

      5 years ago

      What a common “bro-science” myth. I have no idea where the proof of this would be. I would bet a significant amount of money on the fact that Tiger Woods, arguable one of the greatest putters to ever play the game, would not putt as well or even close to as well if he was out there using a Bernhard Langer style 2-ball long putter instead of something he is comfortable with like his Scotty Cameron.

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      Christopher Downing

      2 years ago

      Except he didn’t use a Scotty at the start. so even he changed – then he tried a Nike Method – then who knows what.

      Johnny Boy

      9 years ago

      Just go and get a fitting people. Why people try to guess over articles like these is beyond me. I had a putter fitting where I tried standard and heavier putters with counterbalance. I went in thinking I like light putters. After looking at results using Edel putter fitting, I ended up with a Bettinardi BB1F cut to 32.5 inches with a 150 g opti vibe weight in the shaft and 20 g counter weight. I walked in with a tommy armour blade 8802 style 35 inches & weighs 330g ish. Goes to show how close I was in fitting myself and I loved that putter.Do you think the pros use OTR putters?While I tend to agree with the comparison in the article there a too many weight combos to try to totally discount it. Some have 100g in the grip,I have 20g. Yours could be 50g or it could be nothing. Experiment people.Its easy to counterbalance a putter on the cheap if you blow your grips on,just try clevis pin under your grips. There like $2 and fit perfect in the butt of the shaft and come in different weights. All information is useful,experience is better! I play off scratch and found the fitting process very informative and well worth it for anyone looking to improve. I was skeptical but it’s helped me. Just my 2 cents.

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      Chris Downing

      9 years ago

      Like all these ‘new’ ideas, not exactly new and not exactly revolutionary either. Its hardly a secret method of changing the way a putter feel -,put some weight in the top end to change the balance of the putter as a whole. If counterbalancing was a great advantage, we would have all found out a long time ago and all be doing it.

      I think I must be just contrary – I’m going back to a Pingman grip and copper Zing2! Players won Tour events with that set up.

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      Cesar

      10 years ago

      Comparing the Counter Balanced with a Standard Putter using Players that currently plays Standard Putters might not be a conclusive test if this is the replacement of Anchoring. Can we do a testing of Players that are currently using Belly or Broom Putters and find out if there will be an advantage for them to use a Counter Balanced putter as compared to a standard one. Then we can conclusively say that it bare no advantage. Currently using a Belly Putter and just thingking a using a standard putter again just gives me the fear of the YIPS again. Thank you.

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      joro

      10 years ago

      The simple fact is either you can or can’t, and most cannot. Whether you anchor, long Putter, short Putter, or whatever, most cannot Putt a lick. It is a stupid rule.

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      “No advantage” that doesn’t surprise me. I tried the TM Daddylong Legs at Golfsmith it definitely felt much heavier and i did feel more stable for longer putts but i thought it had horrible feel. Sometimes for me it felt so dense that i didnt even realize i hit the ball. Maybe because its not a forged/milled type of head. But in reality if you cant get the line or speed right then it really doesnt matter how expensive or advanced your putter is.

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      TheHacker

      10 years ago

      That’s excellent news for me. I’m an equally lousy putter no matter I’m using standard or counterbalanced putters.

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      Ed

      10 years ago

      Our company, Arm-Lock Golf, has invented a grip that converts ANY putter into an arm-lock putter without any loft added or bending. We feel that Arm-lock, done correctly is much more effective than just counter-balancing. The unique design of the grip counters the angle of the forearm at address. All for just the cost of a grip. More in the media in a month or so. Yes, it is USDA approved and patent pending.

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      ARR

      10 years ago

      How does this work? do you have a website? it has been approved by the USGA?

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      Ed

      10 years ago

      It’s a unique design that has the shaft going through the grip at an angle. It’s just going into production now, website soon. I will have prototypes at the World Am next week. It is USGA approved. “The answer to anchor”.

      AWOL

      10 years ago

      If it is angled at a certain degree for the shaft to go through it, does that mean your grips would be specific to whether you are left or right handed. The lefted handed putter would be at the opposite angle of the right hander,…… right?

      Ed

      10 years ago

      A nice feature regarding the design is that it can be used on either forearm and right or left handed. If the player is resting the grip on his right forarm (putting either right or left handed) the grip is installed with the angle running in the oposite direction.

      John

      10 years ago

      Ive got a spider si 32-for the first week or 2 I putted about the same as I did with my Bobby Grace-I now putt far better than with the Grace,which is a REALLY good stable putter with good feel.Consistency is far higher with the si both in distance and direction-I have a tendency to get yippy under pressure and the counterbalancing greatly improves the feel in the hands of the clubhead-it DOES take a while before you get used to it though so maybe a test over a few weeks would be more revealing using players who are a bit iffy with their current wand.The greens on my home course are consistently running between 9.5 and 11 and I play off 2 and have never liked Taylor putters so not speaking out of my butt or from a brand biased position- maybe there is something in the counterbalance thing for us nervous types

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      Bill

      10 years ago

      I have to agree with your conclusions. I’ve been using a conventional Odyssey Backstryke DART putter with pretty good results for 3 years. Three months ago, I fell for a Titlielist Futura-X CB putter. I bought it largely on terrific results I saw while demoing it at Golfsmith. For some inexplicable reason, I was making almost everything I tried on that non-stressful setting. But when I gamed it my average putt tally immediately crept up about 5 putts a round. And I considered myself a pretty good putter too. I didn’t give up…kept working with the new feeling and mass. I devoted hours of practice. In the end my scores were consistently about 4 strokes higher per round and was due to putting.

      So I went back to that ugly Backstryke and almost immediately my putting average dropped to the level I had enjoyed previously. Hey, it definitely works for me. I use a left-hand low grip and tried it with the Futura-X. It just left me feeling confused on the green whereas my old putter made me confident again. Your mileage may vary, but I suggest you give a lot of thought into buying a CB version. I now have a $300 white elephant taking up space in my gollf room.

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      mnfats95

      10 years ago

      I have a 42″ PING Pickemup B that I cut two inches off of and put a 17 inch flatso grip on. I putt with it hockey style and have never putted better. When I miss a putt inside of 10 feet it’s a misread as using the hockey grip takes the wrists completely out of play for me.

      I don’t anchor it in any way and am considering buying a couple more since they will probably never make anything like it again.

      I had a Craz-e Center shafted 35″ before that and a B60 before that. I wouldn’t even think of going back to either one.

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      Doug Millar

      10 years ago

      You should mention or qualify the testing by using golfers and only golfers with the yips. That is what counter balance putters are for. From experience I can honestly say having used both counter balance is far better then a standard putter.

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      Michael L.

      10 years ago

      Have anchored putters even been proved to be more accurate than standard putters anyways?

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      Wayne

      10 years ago

      Buyer beware. If you do buy a so called counterbalanced putter, some company advertise they put extra weight in the end of the shaft, but they don’t actually add any extra weight. I ordered and paid for a adjustable counterbalanced putter. The company advertises they add a extra 50 grams of weight to the end of the shaft. I decided to have a different grip installed. I found out then there is no extra weight at end of shaft. I’m in process of getting a refund as I got no more than a adjustable putter. Buyer beware. By the way this is the putter at the top of the Most Wanted Mallet list.

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      Jack

      3 years ago

      The extra weight was in the grip ya ding dong.

      Hopefully you never got the refund and learnt why

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      Tony Wright

      10 years ago

      One other comment if you do not mind. Just because one of the putters you are testing with is a counterbalanced putter, this does not mean that the amount of counterbalancing is right for a particular golfer. When I fit golfers with counterweights, I vary the weight and the location of the weight in the shaft. There is no “one size fits all” amount of counterbalancing that will work for everyone.

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      Vic

      2 years ago

      I tried this, I cut the end off my grip and got a collection of bolts that fit shaft and weighed them and went putting, they all made a difference but I did better with a heavy weight in my Futura but can’t remember what the weight was, popped a grip on and I was happy and a better putter.

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      Howard Garson

      10 years ago

      To say that no one will putt better with a counter balanced putter is the same ridiculous statement as everyone will putt better with a counter balanced putter. Reality is that some will putt better, some will be worse, and some will see no difference. There is only one absolute in golf, the right driver, irons, putter, etc. for a player is the one that works for him. (Or her) if 90 out of 100 golfers think a particular club is the greatest club ever made, you might be one of the ten who thinks it is horrible. Ignore what other people say, and try things for yourself. Better yet, go to a knowledgeable club fitter, not at a big box store, and get the right length, weight, flex, etc. for you.

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      Stuart Pitcher

      10 years ago

      Surely the test should be for extended putters against counter balanced putters with experienced extended putter users testing both to see if the counter balanced putter i for them come the time of the ban. I think it is a hammer to crack a walnut in any case, long putter users have n no advantage as long as they don’t use the putter to measure for drops.

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      Tony Wright

      10 years ago

      Good for you for working to do an evaluation on counterweighted putters. I think, at least in my mind, some of the things you have said could be confused by others. Here are my thoughts…

      1. If you add head weight to a putter, it will increase the MOI of the putter (if you add head weight to any golf club it will increase the MOI of that club). If you add length to a putter and to any golf club it will increase the MOI of that club. However, if you add a Counterweight to the end of any golf club it will not significantly increase the MOI of that club. MOI has units of mass times length squared – so weight in the butt end of the club will not change the MOI a large amount.

      2. My view of the value what is being called a “counterweighted putter” – one that has a few inches extra length that a player grips down on (usually about 3 inches) and that has a counterweight in the butt end – is that this can for golfers affect the feel of that putter. It can improve the golfers ability to control speed – and speed control wins in putting.

      3. I and other club fitters have great success – with a large majority of golfers – with conventional length putters putting counterweighting in the butt end of the putter or even down the shaft to get a better feel for speed control. I believe that almost all golfers will benefit by this type of weighting. Padrig Harrington said in a Golf World article about a year ago that this type of putter weighting is so good that (I know in jest….) it should be banned.

      4. So you could be right in your results and your conclusions – but I will go on adding counterweighting to the end of putters and getting improved putting results for golfers.

      Again, no dispersion on you….glad you are investigating this!!

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      Drew

      10 years ago

      Great review! I did find that my putting improved when I added a top weight but to each his own I guess.

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      ARR

      10 years ago

      If MGS labs wants data, they need to invest in a SAM Putt lab to show some actual data…just telling me that you took 2 putters and hit them a couple of times and here is how far i left it from the hole and here is how many i made tells me nothing about whether or not the putter benefited you at all during the stroke. What manufacturers are telling you is that the counterbalanced approach could benefit the consistency of your stroke. They of course cannot make claims that you will actually make more putts based on the use of a counterbalance putter. What they can claim (and they do) is that there is some benefit to the PUTTING STROKE based on the use of a counterbalanced putter. There is not ANYWHERE near enough info in this report to make ANY claim whatsoever about the benefits (or lack thereof as you claim) of use of a counterbalanced putter. I just hope that there are not some people out there that might benefit from use of a counterbalanced putter that have read this article and throw out the idea of trying one based on this inconclusive study…

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      W. Scott Mohn

      10 years ago

      Thank you for another great job. First, I agree with the request for tests on the long putters. I still have, and still use, my 50 inch putter. Second, I have considered back-weighting the grips on my irons and woods. But for me the increase in overall weight has been a drawback. And I do not know of any objective testing that supports the notion that it is beneficial in terms of accuracy or distance. Would you consider trying to devise a test to evaluate the impact, if any, on accuracy and distance for back-weighting irons and woods. It sounds like a real challenge to me. Thanks for your time and consideration Scott

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      Dave Sanguinetti

      10 years ago

      Please do a belly/long/and forearm lock test to provide another set of #’s for those of us who want to muster another protest to the USGA in the next 15 months, to see if we can re-open the debate on the ridiculous decision to ban anchoring.

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      Thelug17

      10 years ago

      The vast majority of players still play and prefer a traditional putter set-up. This study needs to be repeated with players who are CURRENTLY playing belly putters and who are lamenting the forced change to a more standard putting style. If this is being marketed for those who are currently belly putters (and they are) then we need to see that data to see if it is indeed the “answer” to the ban. Thank you for this work, though. It is good to see that there is no benefit for those who do not struggle with their current set-up. If it went the other way I may have been 300 out on a new “counter-balanced” Betty.

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      I have a theory about changes in golf equipment. I think most golfers benefit from changing a driver, putter, etc. primarily because we are having problems with our current gamer. When we pick up the new tool , we try and get a feel for it, concentrate more on their fundamentals and have optimism.. Usually this leads to at least a temporary improvement. However, once we get comfortable with the new stick, we fall back into our bad habits and we start to lose confidence and the cycle start anew.

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      Warwick

      10 years ago

      Great point

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      reqq

      10 years ago

      Nice test.

      I wonder if counterbalance putter is better under nervous conditions, kinda hard to test i guess. I could see that anchoring putter is more stable then true blade putter under that pressure short putt. I think that ban is valid.

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      Bluch

      10 years ago

      Who gives a crap. You can either putt or you can’t. I have been using a Carbite puttter for years and have extra’s in case.

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      Andy

      10 years ago

      I would rather see a test of counterbalanced vs normal with people who fit the category of wanting to use a counterbalanced putter. I think you should find the yipiest putters and have them test out putters to find which helps them the most. I clearly belong in this test, but I believe those yippy putters are the ones that benefit the most from counterbalancing.

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      Dan

      10 years ago

      I’m a clubmaker in Denver and I routinely add weight to putters – in the shaft. I use threaded rod sized to fit the taper of the shaft and then epoxy it into place. I will often add as much as 300 grams or more to a standard length putter. I added 450 grams to my long putter. When i pick up a “regular” putter now it feels like a kid’s plastic toy and it’s way to easy to “manipulate” with the hands. I know I don’t have data, but I do have a lot of happy customers!

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      RetiredRichard

      10 years ago

      MGS hit it on the head-get fitted for a putter-see where you are really aiming and what your stroke is doing to counter-act what you think you are seeing. See where the face is aimed when you have your putter soled flat or what happens to aim when the toe or heel is up. Learn what you need to do to actually aim at your target spot. It is an eye-opener!!! And by the way-knowing if you have an astigmatism and what it does to aim is a huge help.

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      Mbwa Kali Sana

      10 years ago

      I’m amazed to read So many comments on thèse issues :”Broomhandle ” “Belly ” “COUNTERBALANCED “putters etc..If you have the dreaded ” yips “,you CAN cure it :try the ” LANGER GRIP “,as I DID ,you”ll soon forget it .
      If you Watch putting on theTour and the Majors ,you Will see That the top putters don’t wield “broomhandles “or ” Belly putters “.
      As fine putting ( And chipping ) is a must to WIN ,they are a threat to nô one ,notwithstanding they do look like ” Old Ladies ” with their long putters ,and make the ” Noble Game ” look pretty ridiculous
      I’m a fairly good putter ( below 30 per round ) with a regular regulation putter and I don’t make
      Such a row with all this stuff

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      Gary

      10 years ago

      For someone who has the yips really bad with the putter the counter balanced putter with plenty of MOI might help someone who has to look at the hole or ahead of the ball (which is actually a pretty good way to go) The extra head weight will help keep the club head a little more stable because it is probably a little easier to miss the sweetspot when you look at the hole and not the ball. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to beat the yips with a claw grip so have to look at other solutions. Even with the Belly putter the yips came back after several months. The Long Putter was the most reliable solution but I didn’t putt that great with it anchored. The fit could have probably been better. The funny thing about the yips (for a lot of folks probably) is that they don’t show up on the practice green, only on the golf course (at least for me and some friends of mine), which effectively defeats what happens on the practice green. Hopefully one day there will be a cure. Will keep searching for one.

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      paul

      10 years ago

      what about in the irons? isn’t that what the greatest golfer advocating?JN

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      Drew

      10 years ago

      Hahaha…I second this question!!!! I had the “secret grip” and ripped those things off. Was losing 10 yards easily on my irons.

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      Geoff

      10 years ago

      I have been using a Ping anchored putter for a few years now and it really works for me. Why not compare anchored putters with counterbalances, with a variety of putter head shapes. This would be helpful.

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      Warwick

      10 years ago

      I don’t think so Geoff. Anchored putters are history. time to move on.

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      Dave S

      10 years ago

      One inherent problem I see with this method of testing is that it doesn’t really take into account comfort level. While CB is not “new”, it’s safe to say that it’s – at present – being pushed on us substantially harder than in years past. 99% of golfers play with a non-CB putter and have had many many many rounds practicing the skill of non-CB putting. I don’t see how it’s fair to expect these people to just pick up a CB putter for the first (or close to it) time and expect them to be able to roll putts as confidently as they would w/ the non-CB version. I think the real test would be to have 50% of the testing population be players that currently (and have for a substantial period of time) use a CB putter. This would – at least to a large extent – remove the non-CB putter bias in the tester population and give us more definitive results. As it stands, I don’t think the test results can be confidently relied upon.

      If you did, in fact, do something like this to remove bias, but did not mention it in the write-up, please let me know.

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      joro

      10 years ago

      Amazing, these idiots at USGA ban long Putters that are attached because it is not the intent of Golf. Yet they allow everything else that makes the game easier and now this. What is wrong with playing with regulare clubs with the player making the decisions, not some assistant who does everything but hit the ball.

      The hypocrisy of this whole thing just shows how smart and out if control the whole mess it. Ridiculous is what it is. To ban something that is not proven to appease a few complainers is just too stupid. If they want to do something pull the game back to really the way it is supposed to be played, not this sham they are making of it.

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      Ross Baker

      10 years ago

      Absolutely Right Joro.. and you basically answered your own question.. Who are the USGA & the R&A.. Ans 2 Amateur Organizations, who at the moment are acting “Very Amateurishly” They waited for over 20 years till “all in sundry” were using “Anchored Putters” and then decided to Ban them.. In todays economic climate We need “Every Last Golfer” playing the Game and Having Fun. Ross Baker Australia

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      Deon

      10 years ago

      Colt… now you really need to do a follow-up….. “Do oversize putter grips make a difference?”

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      mygolfspy

      10 years ago

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      W

      10 years ago

      Loved this test! I think you guys should do the same test with Ping’s TR putters, and Nike’s Methods. Same style and models, but with grooves and will flat faces. Forget rolling faster, and consistent speeds – will it get it in the hole, or closer to the hole? I would love to see a test like that done. Using the Nike Core and Scottsdale lines, you could get the putters and have flat inserts put in place of the grooves for testing so the companies don’t have to specially produce a limited run of flat face putters. It would be a great spin off this already great test.

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      Jeff

      10 years ago

      Hi W.
      I agree with you.I have both Nike Method Core MC001 and Ping TR Anser.
      Prefer the Nike.
      Regards

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      dave

      10 years ago

      Adding 50 grams or thereabouts is pretty miniscule compared to what the head weight is. If your going to test it, test it with even more. I take mine to the max with 350 grams to a 350 head weight, and the balance point is within 2 inches of dead center length. Smooth sailing in choppy waters! My personal stats do show considerable gains. 33 to 29 average now-days.

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      Kevin

      10 years ago

      I use a counterbalanced putter and love it. I use the Daddy Long Legs. But the fact that it is counterbalanced is not of concern to me. I used to suffer terrible yips (still do in chipping) but my playing partners now routinely give me small putts because they know I won’t miss (i do say that the only putt I make 100% of the time is the gimme). The real benefit to me (I solved my putting yips with the claw grip) is the fact that the grip is much longer and I can adjust my stroke down the handle for stability on shorter putts. Seems to me that just like wedges are more accurate than drivers because they are shorter (and more loft.. I know) a shorter putter should be more accurate. it seems to me there was a guy who taught short putter technique years ago and used it to great success on the PGA tour. No one wants to look like that on the tour though…LOL

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      Jack

      9 years ago

      Say as… Use the Daddy Long Legs, love it… Don’t care about counterbalancing…

      My playing partners have all changed to the Daddy Long legs too(except one, there is always one). I still play the odd day with a Ping Zing to keep me fresh… I feel the weight on the DLL makes me better even when I switch back for a day

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      Andy W

      10 years ago

      Am sure the Heavy putter would be proud to claim was “counter-balanced” before it became a thing. Years back, there was the Octagon putter that Billy Casper hawked with all kinds of weight in the grip end. Both examples of history repeating itself.

      I agree with Nick, the anchoring issue had to be banned since IMO, it unleashes a can of worms. What if under my shirt I put a strap around my chest that had a recieving cup on a universal joint to fit nicely around the grip butt of my putter into my chest?

      But back to “What does any putter matter (counter-balanced or not) if have not read the green properly.” The only putter that confronts this truth is at my sig block.

      Andrew J. Walters
      http://www.expertgreenreading.com

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      joro

      10 years ago

      I would say you wouldn’t putt any better, try it and give us the results. You either can putt or can’t, and that is a fact.

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      Tad Moore

      10 years ago

      Thanks for doing this test. Let me say that I was an opponent of the ban on anchored putters. With no data to support this i felt the very few people in the USGA and R&A were simply making their personal feelings impact the game. Typically these organizations have tons of data to make a rule change. Here nothing. I have certain beliefs why this took place but I will not discuss those here. The Long or Broomstick putter came about as a cure for the “YIPS”. I designed the commercially successful “TADPOLE” for players. Anyone who has had this problem will tell you it is the ONLY way they can continue to enjoy the game we love. The anchored stroke goes way back in golf and was just another way to putt and as the PGA Tour greens got faster and faster for some it was a way to start the ball on line but not a cure for misses as we see all the time on TV.
      My hope is that prior to the time the rule takes effect the PGA Tour and the PGA of America makes a big push to have the rule removed. This game is meant to be enjoyable. Nobody said easy but enjoyable. Why do we as golfers want to eliminate a big percentage of players from playing and enjoying golf. They will leave the game. Don’t be fooled. As this test shows their is NO automatic way to putt. Finally let me say i think that golf associations will be forced to make rules for their members just like they have done to not implement the “groove” rule and allow anchored putters. Enjoy your golf. I enjoy trying to make your equipment better.

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      Ross Baker

      10 years ago

      You absolutely “Nailed It” Tad, One of the most “Ridiculous Bans” in Golf, The USGA & R&A let people run with the “Anchored Putter” for more than 20 years & then decided to Ban It. The delay (or time it took for them) to make up their minds proves the “Lack of Confidence” they have with their decision. I will go a “Step Further” I would like everyone to ask just “One Question” Who Are the USGA & the R&A? Ans.. 2 Amateur Organizations. At the moment “Acting” very Amateurishly.. I am a Golf Professional, if golfers aren’t playing, buying my equipment, or getting lessons from me. I go Broke.. It doesn’t matter to the CEO of the USGA or R&A whether there are 10 people playing or 10 million, He still gets his Pay Cheque.. Look at the US Open, Amateurs “Imposing” almost impossible “Playing Conditions” on the Golf Professional, for what.. “In case he beats “Par”?? At the moment we need every “Last Golfer” Playing the Game and Having Fun.. Regardless of what he uses to get the “Ball in the Hole” Drop the Ban on Anchored Putters and lets all keep this game viable and enjoyable. Ross Baker Australia

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      W. Scott

      10 years ago

      I’m with Ross Baker. I use the long putter because I have to do so. I have a tremor in my left hand that is virtually uncontrollable on short shots, chips and putts. My driver and other clubs “dance” a little before I swing on every shot. It is only the anchored long putter that allowed me to return to the game. I can not control a short putter AT ALL. I am sure a lot of people have similar reasons for using it. If the Tours want to ban them let them do so. But, like most people, I try to follow the rules. So now I putt side saddle, holding the top of the unanchored long putter with two fingers to reduce the shaking. I can’t hit a putt straight consistently. I take more putts. But I am following the new rules (even before they take effect) — and enjoying the game a little less than before. And I still get comments like, “nice putt, but you won’t be able to use that long putter much longer” — because a whole lot of people still think it is the long putter that is being banned and that I will soon be doing something illegal, like a bank robber.

      Ross Baker

      10 years ago

      I really sympathize with you W.Scott.. I grimace when I here you talk about the remarks you get from other golfers! Who are they?? I’d call them bullies!! Are you taking money away from them?? Of course you’re not!! I’d ask them “If they are that serious, when are they starting to play the PGA Tour?” Golf is a fantastic game that has been “Made too Serious” by the Powers that Be.. Lets all get out there “Loosen Up” and “Enjoy the Game” Keep Right on Loving your Game W. Scott, you are “The Winner” Not the knockers.. :) :)

      joro

      10 years ago

      Ross, I have read what you said and like it. I have been playing the game for a long time and tried it all. There are 2 things I don’t like. The long Putter is one, I can’t Putt with the darn thing. The 2nd is the USGA Bluenoses, what a bunch of clowns. The banned the grooves when a few elite Golfers on Tour complained about Calc stopping a shot out of the rought, and it has made no damn difference in stopping the ball, and now they are banning the long Putter because 3 of 4 majors where won with the longer, anchored Putters. How about the events won with “normal” Putters? Should they ban them also? What a bunch of Clowns.

      They say the game should be played the way it was meant to be played and it is everything but. Caddies who do everything but hit the ball, Distance finders, hot Drivers and Irons, how balls, and so on. A long Putter, anchored of course means nothing other than to allow people to be more comfortable and save a back. I tried it and did not like it. So like the big Groove Issue, it will do nothing but chase off more Golfers.

      Hail to the Rulers of Golf, they strike again.

      W. Scott

      10 years ago

      The people who make the negative comments are people I don’t know. Sometimes they seem smug, sometimes just uninformed about the nature of the rule change. My friends understand and keep telling me to go back to anchoring. I only play for a few dollars with my friends so I appreciate their concern and support. I actually putted better before I had to start using the long putter but that is a thing of the past. In fact I had to stop playing for over four years before I even discovered the long putter. But there is no question that golf needs more players, shorter 18 hole course options, less expensive courses, less expensive equipment, faster players and more enjoyment in the game. Any changes that aggravate those situations are detrimental to the game. I don’t know what it like in Australia but the game in America seems to be heading back toward an exorbitantly expensive elitist pastime primarily for the wealthy. If I had not been a caddie for years and spent most of my life on military golf courses I would never have been able to afford or enjoy this great game. I was lucky, so I try to play by the rules and encourage an expanding, inclusive game so others may have the great experiences I have had for over 50 years.

      Boe

      10 years ago

      Every golfer has a preference when it comes to putters. Even professional golfers frequently switch putters to the model that’s currently working for them. While at Adams golf, I conducted experiments with “heavy putters” and found that they are effective for those that suffer from overactive hands. (Yips)
      Like a previous comment mentioned, “the issue is more between the ears”. The mental aspect of the game relates directly to confidence. If a golfer feels more comfortable using a counter balanced putter, then he/she will drain more putts. Some prefer the ancient “Bulls Eye” putter style or classic “Ping Anser”.
      Since it all comes down to preference, I recommend all golfers to give counter balanced a try. Once you get used to the speed, I think you’ll find your stroke to be smoother and more consistent.
      Test this technology for yourself.
      You be the judge and jury.

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      mygolfspy

      10 years ago

      Problem with that theory Paul is that Yips are most often temporary or a fad in your game. Choosing the right putter should NOT be looked at like this, yet for 95% of golfers it is. They buy on a whim or because they knocked in 5 putts on a green in their local pro shop.

      How about this for a solution instead of trying a million different style putters, the real solution is getting fit for a putter. Ask anyone that has gone through a competent putter fitting that stroke is the first focus and you will find someone not tinkering anymore. Tinkering is for hobbyists, finding a solution is for someone that wants to actually improve.

      Test this out and you be the judge and jury. See who wins…Tinkering vs Fitting?

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      Boe

      10 years ago

      Yes, I agree. Tinker with your golf equipment and run your own experiments. There are a lot hobbyists in the world who enjoy doing things for themselves. We in the industry were all hobbyists and tinkerers in the beginning. Build your own clubs, try crazy things, have fun with the game.

      But if you’re not this guy, then go to a custom fitter who will evaluate your swing/stroke and fit you with the best equipment. You can’t go wrong.
      Who know’s, the fitter might recommend a counter balanced putter.

      Jerry

      10 years ago

      Once again, it is the Indian, not the arrow. Give Tiger a 2×4 piece of lumber for a driver, and he will still outdrive most of us.

      We golfers want a magic elixer, potion, putter, shaft, driver etc etc that will make up for our deficiencies as golfers. Doesn’t work that way. We would get a better return if we spend our the time and energy on becoming better golfers, than looking for the next great thing.

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      Gary

      10 years ago

      Glad to see that some testing was done on this. The counter balanced putter might be of some help for someone with the yips, and maybe partially because people with the yips to tend to believe they cannot use a standard length putter any more. I have been struggling with the yips for about 6 years and switched to a counter balance putter last October. Hard to say if this putter has helped very much and the yips seem to be coming back with this putter. The heavier head weight and balancing of this putter might help someone who looks at the hole instead of the ball when he putts though. (The yips tend to leave when I look at the hole instead of the ball). An armlock type putter might be a better answer for some folks who are battling the yips. I just wish the manufacturers wouldn’t charge so much for these kinds of putters.

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      Damon

      10 years ago

      I have another way of looking at this. The golfers were able to make the same % of putts using a very different putter configuration with minimal to no practice compared to a putter configuration they’ve most likely used all their life. With some practice to get used to the counter-balance, the testers will show improvement compared to their normal non-counterbalanced putter configurations. Possible?

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      Damon

      10 years ago

      Should edit to say – fun and interesting test nonetheless. Thanks for doing this.

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      Dave Wolfe

      10 years ago

      Sure, but wouldn’t that be the case for any putter assuming that the fit for stroke is not totally off? I truly hope that practice leads to improvement in all areas of the golf game.

      Now the other question would be if practicing with the counterbalanced versions would yield better results than practicing with the standard versions would.

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      Phil

      10 years ago

      There is no ban on currently approved golf clubs in 2016. The ban is on anchoring. I currently putt with a long putter (50″) using the face on or sidesaddle technique. I can effectively do this without anchoring and plan to continue after 2016. It is a simple and effective method.

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      Petr Hanzlik

      10 years ago

      You have checked only one aspect of weight of putters. There are others and they work. Just test “Heavy” putters and putters adjusted by different weights from other producers. Putter weight in head works very well and if it is combined and correctly counterbalanced in shaft makes you wonder how you could live without it.
      Have fun with golf !

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      Nick

      10 years ago

      This was the point of the anchoring ban, anchored putting was “cheating”. If anyone ever proved that anchored putters sunk even 10% more putts we’d all have them in the bag. This is the test they should have done with the regular v anchored putters to validate whether it is cheating. (Though I do enjoy how much my teaching pro hates anchored putters, just because he’s a natural putter and has never needed to try another putter.)

      I’ve just bought a CB Ketsch, after being fit for a s-b-s-t Ketsch by Ping (my putting handicap at fitting was 0.1!), I saw the CB in the rack, tried it and had one of those moments, it felt “right”. I don’t make everything in sight with it but feel significantly better over any putt than I did with my SC Laguna,Yes Olivia or Bettinardi C-01h.

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      DG Warner

      10 years ago

      The only thing these on body putters are looking for is help with the yips. Some can manage without anchoring but with less precision, some are in big trouble since if you cannot putt you cannot score. I have tried the Kuchar grip and a 7 degree loft putter and have found it extremely uncomfortable. Putting a 33, 34 or 35 on the leading arm and griping the club left hand low with the knuckles of the trailing arm touching the inside of the leading arm for stability is helpful. Keeps the left arm and left hand from breaking down and promotes a left side control motion. This and the claw (saw) are the closest I have found to stability.

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      Golfer Burnz

      10 years ago

      My guess is the perfect putter is a magical combination, of all the controllable factors dialed in to the users specifications and preferences, but that doesn’t guarantee that you will hole more putts.

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      stash

      10 years ago

      How many putts were attempted with each putter? I appreciate the effort to be ‘datacratic’, but one thing I see as a routinely lacking in the equipment reviews is sample size. If they are hitting less that 100 putts with each putter, I think the sample size is too small to start claiming global truths.

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      Mbwa Kali Sana

      10 years ago

      There was a putter called THE HEAVY PUTTER some 10/12 years ago ,which had a HEAVY head and a “COUNTERBALANCED ” upper shaft .I Still have it ,it’s a décent putter ,but np better than the standard putters ,blade or mallett ,which came put at the top in the last assessments of GOLFSPYX :i play alternately with the NIKE METHOD ONE ,THE PING KETSCH ,THE TAYLOR MADE TOUR ‘I have a personal préférence for the blades where I ” feel “better the point of contact ,but the réal secret is to have a good technique a practise a lot !

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      Shanon

      10 years ago

      How about doing this test and including anchored putters as a reference point?

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      Shanon

      10 years ago

      How about doing this test and including anchored putters for reference?

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      Nevin

      10 years ago

      While this data shows that counterbalanced putters do not have an inherent advantage over a conventional putter, no conclusions can be drawn about whether it would help someone with the yips or some other putting malady to putt better and enjoy the game more. That would require a different study.

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      Dave Wolfe

      10 years ago

      Agreed.

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      fleeter

      10 years ago

      I think you’ll make more putts if you practise putting more! Doesn’t matter if it’s counter balanced or not. It’s all about the stroke and the weight. Speed is everything. Again, you’ll sink more putts if you practise your putting on a regular basis.

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      Brian

      10 years ago

      Love seeing the myths debunked.

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      drjacko

      10 years ago

      A case of what’s between your ears is more important than what’s between your hands.

      Sooo are you guys going to take the next step and limit the sample population to belly putter golfers as suggested by your concluding remarks?

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      Dave Wolfe

      10 years ago

      That test is definitely on the to do list for down the road.

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      Fozcycle

      10 years ago

      This is indeed great news, as it means that those electing to use counterbalanced putters will have no advantage over those who putt with standard putters.

      Thanks MGS for pointing this out to us…..it will keep us from running out to Dick’s (where there are no PGA Professionals to guide us) and spending oodles of money on counterbalanced putters.

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      flaglfr

      10 years ago

      Forgive my naiveté, but is there data that proves an advantage for anchored putters???

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      Keith Baines

      10 years ago

      If you are a “twitcher”, as I am, then there is no question. I can double hit a short putt with a regular putter, but with my left held into my sternum and my right hanging down with a “pencil grip” I have half a chance at playing this game. I was a scratch golfer for years, but come the rule change I will be relegated to playing in “fun” scrambles as I can still play very well but when I get on the green Mr Hyde takes over. This is galling as I was a really good putter, in fact it was the best part of my game, now I’m sick thinking about it.

      Dwayne

      10 years ago

      Hang in there Keith, you will find a way.

      flaglfr asks a great question. And I’d bet the result would be the same as the counter-balanced putter. NO ADVANTAGE.

      Funny, one year the golf-god-goofs are banning anchored putting, the next year they are telling us, “tee it forward”, making 15″ holes, etc. so we can have more fun?

      So, which is it?

      Matt Myers

      9 years ago

      Keith…I used to be a 4 handicap. Got the yips and almost quit golf. I went to left hand low which helps but the most important fundamental in getting rid of the yips is to putt 100% with your shoulders. Drop one thousand balls on a green tomorrow, forward press and rock the shoulders. Make 30 in a row from 5 feet and email me back how your yips have evaporated. If the wrists creep into the stroke start again with another 1000 balls. You WILL DO IT just as I did. I’d wish you good luck BUT it’s got nothing to do with luck.

      Duncan Jaenicke

      9 years ago

      I agree w/ Keith. I investigated using a CB weight in my new grip (made for adding a 50-gram weight) and found it’s too confusing. Gripping down the shaft from where you normally do is like cutting inches off your shaft, it alters the lever you are using and so also confuses and detracts from good putting. Adding weight to the non-business end of the club is just stupid. Better to find the right head weight for you (heavier is better, it makes the short ones go in and the long ones get there) and then ROCK THE SHOULDERS while IMMOBILIZING THE WRISTS AND ARMS. Focus on where the face is aimed, then use the unconscious mind to return the face to starting position with enough OOMPH to roll the ball 12 inches past the hole if it doesn’t drop in–that is my secret.

      Blade

      10 years ago

      What makes it great news I wonder. If they found a distinct advantage, it wouldn’t exclude you from using one to get the advantage yourself. Advantage or not, I couldn’t care less what the other guy is using, even if it’s anchored. Great news to me is finding a putter that works well for me.

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