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MGS Labs – Fitted (vs) Non-Fitted Putters?

Over 95% of you (amateur golfers) have never been fit for a putter. Shocked? Probably not.

What if I told you that over 85% of the top PGA industry professionals (the guys supposed to be fitting you) have never been fit for a putter. Shocked now? You should be.

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Those two stats and a trip to the PING Golf Headquarters were the perfect formula for our latest installment of MyGolfSpy Labs. We asked the PING R&D team two simple questions: A) Do putter fittings make a difference for the average golfer?  B) How do we make this test happen to once and for all find out that answer?

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MGS Labs In Partnership with PING

We wanted to quantify the benefits of putter fitting and how much difference a properly fit putter could really make for the average golfer. With all the variables (length, lie, stroke, weight, alignment, loft and head shape) it had to make a difference…right?

To figure that and much more out, we partnered with the team at PING. They then conducted a study designed to help us get a better sense of what percentage of golfers are playing a putter that’s less than ideally fit, and whether properly fitting them for a new putter would actually improve performance.

The 2-Part MGS/PING Lab Test

Over the next two days we’ll look at the results of this cooperative study between MyGolfSpy & PING Golf.

PART 1:  What did our study participants bring with them, and how different was it from the putter each golfer was eventually fit into?

PART 2:  We’ll compare the results of the performance tests conducted before & after each fitting.

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Test Details

The aim of this test is to investigate the effects of a putter fitting on performance.

20 golfers were recruited for a VIP putter fitting.

Prior to being selected for and included in the test, participants were screened to ensure no industry affiliation. Additional requirements include:

  • Must play at least 1-2x per month
  • Must not have had a putter fitting within the last 12 months
  • Must not currently be playing a belly or long putter

A range of ability levels was represented in the test.

Players were asked to bring his or her current gamer (having never gone through a proper putter fitting).

Testers hit (10)  5′ putts at a hole on the putting green and the make/miss location was recorded.

(10) 25′ putts were performed on PING’s granite table putting surface with the overhead cameras capturing the dispersion of the session.

Finally, players took part in an iPing session.

Player were then put through a full putter fitting. Once completed, the fitter altered the putter (if needed) to match the specs found from the fitting.

With the correct putter, the player then performed the same three tests as done at the beginning of the test (5′ putts at hole, 25′ on the table, and iping session)

Fitting Results

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The above chart details how many changes (stroke type, loft, and lie) were made per golfer during the PING fitting sessions. 14 of 20 testers (70%) required 3 changes, while only 1 golfer required no changes. On average, the golfers in this test required 2.6 changes.

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The chart looks at the sum total of changes made broken down by the type of change. As you can see, the testers (all of whom had not been fit for their putters) required multiple adjustments. Most noteworthy is the fact that 90% of those in the study were fit into putters with different lofts, and 90% were fit into putters with different lie angles.

Even in the categories where the fewest changes were recommended, 70% of those in the study still required a change in spec.

FYI – Aliment refers to the sight lines/aliment aids on the putter itself.

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The Details

As we start to look at some of the finer details of the fittings, I think it’s important to look more closely at of the most basic determinations golfers make about their own putting technique.

What type of putting stroke do I have? Am I straight back and straight through, or do I putt with an arc…maybe even a strong one? Do I need a face-balanced mallet, or a blade with an abundance of toe hang?

These are fundamental fitting questions. If you believe in PING’s Fit For Stroke method, the answers should dictate the type of putter we buy.

Observation and now data has taught us that many golfers believe they are straight back straight through putters. That same data tells us that many golfers are wrong, and that almost certainly has consequences on the golf course.

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55% of golfers who took part in this study arrived with face-balanced (straight back straight through) putters. 40% gamed Slight Arc putters, while only 5% were gaming what we would classify as Strong Arc putters.

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These post-fitting results border on astonishing. Despite accounting for only 5% of the gamers in the study, a full half of the golfers tested were fit into Strong Arc models. Slight Arc models dipped slightly to 35%, while the most popular hang style of putter in the tester’s bags (Straight) accounted for only 15% of the post-fit putters.

Of further interest, when the fittings were complete it was found that only 4 of 20 (20%) golfers in our study were playing a putter designed for their individual stroke type.

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Putter loft is often a reflection of the manufacturing company’s philosophy. Some believe more loft is necessary in order to lift the ball out of it’s resting position, while others believe it’s beneficial to minimize skipping and start the ball rolling as quickly as possible. The thing is, we don’t all play the same driver loft. Should we all be playing the same putter loft?

The golfers who participated in this survey started with an average loft of 3.9° with the range being from 0° to 5°. After looking at how the golfers delivered the club at impact (primarily through shaft lean), PING’s fitters determined the optimum loft for each individual tester.

The overwhelming majority (80%) were fit for putters with less loft than what they came in with. This would seem to suggest a tendency towards adding loft at impact (hands behind the putter head). Only 2, including the owner of the zero loft putter, were given more loft, while 2 golfers required no change in loft.

The average in change in loft was 2.375° with a high of 3.5°.

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Not surprising to anyone who pays attention to the number of golfers putting with the toe well off the turf, the majority (60%) of participants in this study were fit for a putter with a flatter lie angle than what was currently in their bags. 30% needed a more upright putter, while 2 participants were fine where they were.

What’s of particular interest from a fitting standpoint is that while the average change was 1° flat, a number of the study’s participants required substantial lie adjustments, with one golfer requiring a change of 5.5° flatter, while another fit for an astounding 7° flatter lie angle.

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A closer look at the data reveals that while the majority of golfers were already playing putters of an appropriate length. 25% of those who participated in the study were fit for longer putters, while the other 25% were fit for shorter putters.

The average change was .0625″ shorter, while changes of 1″-1.5″ were common.

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So how did all of those changes manifest themselves? More than half of the golfers in the study were fit into mallets. It should be noted that a not all mallets are face-balanced. There are numerous options available for both slight and strong arc golfers.

Only 2 of 20 testers were fit into a mid mallet style, while 7 were fit into what we would call blade designs.

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While these results are specific to the PING line, you should be able to translate to other manufacturer’s offerings. Of the 20 testers, 8 were ultimately fit into PING’s popular Ketsch mallet. Not surprisingly, variations of the Anser-style blade were appropriate for 5 of the testers, while the remaining 7 were split between other mallets, mid mallets, and other blade designs like the Zing.

Key Fitting Takeways

  • 19/20 golfers in this study required at least 2 adjustments (loft, lie, stroke type)
  • 16/20 golfers in this study needed a change in stroke type. Most came in with face balanced putters. Most left with strong arc.

PART II

Take a look at PART II and take a closer look at whether or not these putter fittings had any measurable improvement on putting performance.

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      Dan

      9 years ago

      I think most of us pick up the face balanced putters because in our mind it is easiest to replicate the SBST stroke type even though after a couple holes I am trying to feel the shot and not even thinking about the Straight Back and Straight Through. I am going to get fit this weekend. I live in Minneapolis, at 2nd Swing Golf fittings are free if you buy from them, that’s where I got my driver fit, that’s where I am going to get my putter fit. They have the great personnel and are on the Golf Digest Top 100 fitters in the country.

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      Scarlet Dragon

      9 years ago

      Great concept to have tried and surprising results all things considered.
      I went from blade to mallet after a fitting.
      I was recently fitted for a Ketsch and nothing worse than to try something and have to wait…and wait…and wait.
      I am still waiting to be able to get my Ketsch; on order for 6 weeks and still not in the country.
      See, you test these people and they will want the Ketsch that is recommended. Another week of delay for me!
      Great ideas and tests, but you do not realize the full repercussions.

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      Caleb

      9 years ago

      Wow. That’s a great study. I was most shocked about how many people came in with a face balanced mallet thinking they have a SBST strike but ended up with a strong arc.

      Do you think a face balanced mallet causes pulls because of the lack of rotation on the backswing? And a strong arc, because of the weight in the toe, can actually help hit it straighter because of the toe hang keeping the face more square on the backswing and thus the impact?

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      LeTronold

      9 years ago

      Perfect timing with this article coming out today. I actually went and got fit at the Scotty Cameron Gallery yesterday. It was mind blowing how much better my stroke got from beginning to end. Not only did Spencer help me drastically with my set up, but his knowledge of putting and how a putter works was just amazing. So glad I did it. Would highly recommend if you’re ever in the San Diego area.

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      Doug

      9 years ago

      Considering how many times the putter is “swung” per round, it only makes sense. So is golfsmith going to start fittings?

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      Eric Cockerill

      9 years ago

      Folks, Have you possibly missed the point? We don’t yet see the data on whether the fitting actually helps. Yes, many people don’t fit the Ping criteria for fitting, but the big reveal will be whether this helps or not, not whether they deviate from the fitting criteria. I personally hope we can parse something about WHICH criteria make a difference…I’m sure all are not created equal.

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      Chal

      9 years ago

      I was fortunate to be able to work with Bruce Rearick at the end of last season. I wanted a complete analysis done of my stroke and some ideas to work on to get better on the green. Bruce was just unbelievable to work with. I spent 2 hours with him and it was definitely some of the most fun I have had working on putting in a long long time. His passion is contagious. We worked on changing a few things about my set up and grip. But mainly we worked on figuring my stroke and knowing without a doubt that I am striaght back and thru. After that we started working on the putter. I had personally never thought about the putter making that big of difference and I could not have been more wrong. The fitting was tremendous and the end result putter, I couldn’t be more happy with. I didn’t believe his fee was bad at all and as I stated, I learned so much it was well worth it.

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      Rusty Meier

      9 years ago

      I have been thinking a lot about this very subject lately… been gaming a Odyssey Rossie II mallet for the better part of 20 years, and have loved this putter! Only after purchasing the latest version of the same putter for my son in the last year, I started to notice that the bends in the shaft, lie, and loft of the “same” putter were so completely different… even the face was more closed at setup. Before it was over, It had me wondering if I had adjusted my setup and swing to my specific putter because I have had it so long? After having had multiple discussions with other friends, pros, club-fitters, etc… I realized out that no one in my circle of friends had ever been custom fit for their putter. Why? THEN, I attended the 2015 PGA Merchandise Show… and accidentally fell into the custom fitting booth of Edel Golf and spent some time asking questions about all the differences, etc… all-in-all I was completely blown away by the teaching process Edel uses during their fitting sessions. I am so excited about the difference, I am going to invest in the process of personally becoming a custom fitter!
      Perfect timing, in your testing, it is mind boggling about the fact that the industry as a whole has yet to be fitted for the club that makes the most strokes during the round… Once again, great work, and BIG Thank You for your relentless pursuit of staying ahead of the curve!
      Yes, I will be giving to your fund raising efforts to continue your unbiased research!

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      Nick

      9 years ago

      I attended the UK Ping Fitting Centre in Gainsborough GC last year. I wanted to check out a Ketch and no stores had one. I was gaming a SC Laguna and missing straight putts, a lot.
      My “Ping putting handicap” was woeful with my gamer. I tried a stock 35″ Ketsch and my putting handicap came out at 0.1! I bought one from a pro shop, the fitting centre doesn’t sell product. So far my putting hasn’t made a miraculous leap but I know now that if I miss a straight one it was because I pushed or pulled at impact. If I don’t push or pull, I found that putts do actually drop in the hole, regardless of user. So I trust it a whole lot more than anything else I’ve put(t) in my bag. It may not be as essential as a driver/iron fitting, if you have something you like and trust, but it can make a huge difference if you’re someone who swaps out their gamer regularly because of a lack of trust. (And I still have a SC and Betty blade if I fancy being a masochist.)

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      Pascal R.

      9 years ago

      I was fitted for my putter 2 years ago when I bought a new putter by my Pro. I ended up with a Odyssey Versa Black #7
      What surprises me a bit is given the the fact that the average golfer has around 36 putts (even tour pros are around 29) and hence the putter is the club most used, people are not willing to spend the money to get fitted. They are willing to spend big money on fitting for Driver & irons that are hit considerable less and accuracy is less of an issue (fairway is quite a bit larger than the hole).

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      Mike W

      9 years ago

      Getting properly fit for lie angle and putter length is vital to setting up correctly and consistently.
      When the putter is too long the toe of the putter is usually off the ground at address which causes the ball to go left off the putter face. I recommend that all my students invest in a professional putter fitting and a well-fit putter.

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      atlas

      9 years ago

      Mike…why is this? Why does the ball go left if the toe is up (assuming setup is square, just that the toe is up in the air)? If the setup is putter face square to the target line, impact is square, and the impact is area on the face is about the size of a dimple, I just can’t see why it goes left…

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      Mike W

      9 years ago

      Atlas,

      The ball will go left when the toe is off the ground due to the loft on the putter face. Most putters have 4 or 5 degrees of loft. If the putter had no loft the ball would go straight.

      Mike

      tom

      9 years ago

      This helps me validate my thoughts over the years that most people seem to think they need a face balanced putter. All I ever do when I have tried one is pull everything. Would be nice to actually see a strong arc ketsch in a store. Never seen a strong arc ping outside of a zing or Shea or something similar. Rarely if ever a strong arc mallet.

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      Rob Samson

      9 years ago

      Something that I’d always wondered is what people have commented on. I’ve bought my share of custom putters that were fit for someone else. I’ve got tinker tools so it’s never been a problem adjusting to a certain spec. What I don’t get is why people spend so much money on a new putter and fitting only to sell it weeks later. I guess that goes for any custom fit club. Why are people so quick to sell something that was proven to help their game?

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      Andy K

      9 years ago

      Unfortunately sometimes the new putter looks and feels so different to their old putter they can’t get comfortable with it. All they really need to do is spend a little time on the practice green. One example of this is the different designs in the hosel which can change hand positions at address.
      We always know you can’t buy a stroke but it helps if you have the right tools !!!

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      Andy K

      9 years ago

      Last month I was lucky enough to spend 3 days at Ping HQ going through the WRX Fitting Lab and touring all their facilities. It was an amazing experience and I learnt a huge amount especially from the time in the putter fitting lab with James and Bill (Ping Guru Fitters).
      With science, technology and a near perfectly level 15metre long marble table a perfect putter fitting was conducted. Understanding your stroke type and suitable putter style is just the start of building a great flat stick to help your game.

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      Travis

      9 years ago

      Live in the Midwest and try and find a putting fitter that knows what he is doing not just selling a putter

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      Chris C.

      9 years ago

      I have been golfing for 55 years. Last year I had an opportunity to go through an Edel putter fitting. The putter I purchased following the fitting saved me more strokes than any lesson or any of the thousands of irons, wedges or woods I have purchased.

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      DL

      9 years ago

      Putter fittings are totally worth it. Its the most used club in the bag and shortgame is where the majority of players can focus to dramatically improve scoring. So much of putting is confidence… knowing your putter is fit for your game can only help that.

      the fitting fee will most likely be removed or significantly reduced if you buy a putter from the person that fit you. If not, go somewhere else.

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      golfintheworld

      9 years ago

      Lou it’s funny you mentioned Nicklaus: 3 years ago I got fitted. The balance was right and made it easy to swing. This winter I changed to Nicklaus’ crouch and my accuracy has really improved. Same putter different stance better results.

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      DB

      9 years ago

      I never understand how they fit for loft in these tests. They always seem to look for optimal roll with cameras, radar, etc. But… It’s always on artificial turf. You always putt better with less loft on artificial turf. That roll doesn’t necessarily translate to the greens most of us are playing.

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      Braehead

      9 years ago

      I’ve been fitted for every club bar the putter because there is nobody close to me that does it. None of the club fitters I’ve been to for drivers or irons is interested. Theres a place with SAM lab close but every time I call its out of service.

      I’ve ended up fitting myself by knowing what my swing type is, using static measurements to get the right shaft length and then trial and error to find a head I like and that works for me and a grip thickness I like too.

      I’m surprised grip didn’t feature more. Especially when you see how many guys were using superstroke grips at the weekend.

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      Kenny B

      9 years ago

      I would be willing to bet that except for a couple of pros I know in the area, nobody within 100 miles of me has been fit for a putter. I am not sure where a good putter fitter is located in my area. It would be interesting to get fit, but I would not travel to Ping HQ just for that; maybe when I am in Phoenix next year.

      You indicated that 14 out 20 needed weight adjustments. How much, and heavier or lighter? I have tried all of the Ping putters, and nothing comes close to the weight of my putter.

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      Lou

      9 years ago

      Here’s my thing on this. If you, as a golfer, are not consistent. Meaning day to day you might shoot an 79 one day and a 90 the other – your swing changes. If you go to get fit for your stroke, changes are you will get fit for the stroke you are using THAT DAY. Tomorrow morning, you might have a different stroke and it won’t match up. I’ve been fit for my irons once and have not been fit since changing those irons a few years back. I’ve been through quite a few sets of irons since then and have only gotten better as I go. My swing changes all the time though. I can swing well one day and bad the next. I think instead of getting fit, lessons would be more important to develop a style and than go get fitted.

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      hckymeyer

      9 years ago

      I don’t disagree lessons are important, but it’s hard to make a sound swing with something that doesn’t fit you. It will lead to all kinds of bad mechanics. There is never a bad time to go get fit, if you don’t feel like you have your best swing with you on the day you get fitted then take a break and come back another day. I would also guess that the putter swing changes much less day to day than your full swing.

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      Lou

      9 years ago

      The thing is, a 15-20 something handicap that is coming way over the top and slicing his ball is going to do it regardless of what club he/she is swinging – fit or not. Yes, you are right about the putter fitting. For me, it comes down to looks and feel. After going through numerous putters, I know that a 340g weight makes it easier for me to control my distance. I know that a 34″ shaft choked down feels right. I tried a 33″ shaft with a 340g weight and it doesn’t feel right. Feels very light. I’ve tried a mallet with the same weight but realized that I like a face milled putter more than an insert. I think it’s why putting is so difficult for so many people. It comes down to feel for me personally.

      ryebread

      9 years ago

      Lou: I’m with you. That sums up my thoughts as well on fitting. I’m not convinced it is worth it for the average golfer due to inconsistency of the player. My swing varies wildly from day to day and even swing to swing. I’m one of those 15-20 something hacks you’re talking about.

      The one counter point that thing I would probably argue is that people’s putting strokes don’t vary as wildly as their swings do. I contend more than anything else, putting is where the body’s natural kinesthetics are used to put the ball in the hole. In fact, I personally believe the more you start “thinking” about your putting stroke, the less apt you are to be able to accurately putt. The body knows how to put the ball in the hole, and I suspect does it pretty much the same way every time. Given that, I think that a putter fitting could be of value.

      Lou

      9 years ago

      I understand what you are saying rye. Here’s the thing though. I’ve been through countless putters. Ask the Mrs lol. At the end of the day, If I have a 340g putter head, whether it has a sight line or not, whether it has a bigger grip or not, I will pretty much putt the same way. The reason being that if I read my line properly and make a good stroke, it will go in no matter what I use. So, if that’s the case, I have to go with feel and what is pleasing to my eye. There isn’t a putter made today that won’t get the ball rolling. But if I don’t like the feel of the ball coming off the putter head, or I find my takeaway hard to control than I know it’s not right.

      It might just be the reason most people do not get fit for a putter AND why most fitters don’t bother doing it. If that was the case, wouldn’t somebody have told Jack Nicklaus that he was crouching too much? Why do some pros use a claw grip?

      At the end of the day, my goal as a golfer is to be a consistent golfer. Always have a swing that is not taught, but that is built into me and that is in my capabilities. I will never hit as far as a Dustin Johnson or Rory. 98% of us never will. Until I can consistently swing on the same swing path, I will not get fitted for clubs or a putter for that matter.

      Mark

      9 years ago

      Those are some amazing numbers. I’m one of those who have never been fitted for a putter, looks like I’ll have to put that on my list.

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      hckymeyer

      9 years ago

      Love this one!! I got fitted for putter for the first time over the winter. My adjustments fall right in line with what you’ve seen so far. 1.5° less loft and 5.5° flatter. If tomorrow’s results are anything like what I’ve seen on the course so far this season it’s going to be eye opening on the importance of getting fit for the putter.

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      Paul

      9 years ago

      Wow! Goes to show I need a fitting!!! That’s incredible data, and further shows the importance of finding the best fit in EVERY aspect of picking clubs, not just drivers and irons! Thanks!

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      Dave S

      9 years ago

      Great stuff; very eye-opening. I would assume that the reason most people haven’t been fitted for their putter is the same reason they haven’t been fitted for the other clubs in their bag: Cost. Can you tell us how much a Ping fitting session like the one performed above would cost the average consumer (not including the cost of the putter itself, just the fitting)? If it’s not cost-prohibitive, it’s certainly something I’d look into doing. Thanks!

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      hckymeyer

      9 years ago

      Not sure what Ping costs, but my local fitter was $100 for the fitting and if you follow their recommendations they apply half the cost of the fitting towards the new putter or adjustments to your existing putter.

      Well worth it in my opinion.

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      Dave S

      9 years ago

      Thanks for that info. So if you got fitted for a Ping Ketch ($230), it would end up costing $280 (fitting + putter minus $50). Not too crazy expensive considering a typical Scotty will run you $300+ and isn’t fit.

      Nick

      9 years ago

      I went for a Ping putter fitting last year, in the UK, and the fitting was entirely free.
      The fitting centre didn’t sell product, I had to order it through a pro shop, so they weren’t even trying to push anything.

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