PING’s Boring Patent Application Could Be the Next Big Thing
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PING’s Boring Patent Application Could Be the Next Big Thing

PING’s Boring Patent Application Could Be the Next Big Thing

PING has a reputation for being steady, dependable, and perhaps even a little bit boring. As a company, it’s not much for hyperbole, so despite being among the game’s most radical innovators, the company’s technology often gets lost in the shuffle.
I mean, think about it for a minute…Turbulators…that’s radical stuff by golf standards, and yet despite being widely embraced by golfers, because they’re a PING creation they weren’t really talked about with the same type of mind-blowing enthusiasm as movable weights, adjustable hosels, and whatever else that gets pushed as the latest and greatest.

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Now take a moment to consider the stuff we don’t see. We’ve talked about center of gravity and why it matters quite a bit. We talk about carbon fiber, and weight savings, and everything manufacturers are doing to push CG as far back, and in many cases, as low as they can. And yet, despite all of their efforts, no company has been able to push the CG farther back than PING.

PING makes the most forgiving drivers in golf – and has for quite some time. Its lower than average CG height makes the drivers playable too, and if that’s not enough, PING has managed to maintain, and even grow its position in the driver market, while still using all-titanium construction.

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While it’s not readily apparent, what PING does from an engineering standpoint is arguably the most under-celebrated bit of innovation in the golf industry.

All of that said, if there’s one area where PING hasn’t really pushed the envelope it’s with face technology. Sure, they’ve tweaked materials and added some surface texture, but the PING driver face of today isn’t significantly different from the PING driver face of several years ago. Much like TaylorMade, the company has something it feels works, and so it hasn’t t felt any need to change it.

Until now…or at leas maybe until not long from now.

The Next Big Face Technology?

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I recently stumbled upon a patent application that was published on December 12th of this year, although its origins date back to at least 2013. It’s titled Golf Club Heads with Frequency Modulation Devices and Related Methods.

Now that title, exciting as it may (or may not) be, probably isn’t going to grab your immediate attention, but what’s interesting about the actually technology described within is that, not only does it suggest a major overhaul of PING’s face technology, it introduces the idea of using different (though not interchangeable) face configurations to fine tune golf club performance.

At the heart of the patent is the idea that by controlling, and perhaps even manipulating the vibration that occurs at impact, you can change the way energy is imparted on the golf ball.

This isn’t a totally new concept. Vibration control and it’s performance implications have been hinted at in several of the deep technology dives I’ve sat in on, but as a tangible technology, nobody other than perhaps Nike (FlyBrace), has tried to bring it into the mainstream discussion.

This PING patent application may change that.

The Abstract

A golf club head including a strikeplate including a strikeplate stiffness, a strikeface, and backface opposite the strikeface. The head also includes a modulation mechanism at the backface, a plurality of frequency modulators, and a plurality of anti-stiffening features interspersed between the plurality of frequency modulators. The plurality of frequency modulators reduces an oscillation frequency of the strikeplate upon impact with a golf ball. The plurality of anti-stiffening features permit flexing of the strikeplate between the plurality of frequency modulators.

Congratulations, you now have a pretty good sense of what it’s like to be in the room when PING’s engineering team drills their latest technology into your head. Of course, were we actually in a PING conference room, I’m relatively certain the science-y stuff would be followed with an easily digestible real-world example that makes that particular abstract just a little bit more concrete. What PING does infinitely better than anyone else in golf is make really difficult concepts really easy for average golfers to understand.

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Unfortunately the simply explanation will have to wait until PING actually bundles this new face structure into a product, but a cursory read suggests it’s grounded in Newton’s theory that every action has an equal and opposite action. Basically when a club hits a ball not only does the club impart force on the golf ball, but the ball also imparts force on the club. The application, it would seem, is that if you can somehow tune that force…the flex and the vibration, you can actually effect and ideally improve launch conditions.

As with most any patent, team PING provides several examples (embodiments) of how they might actually accomplish this – and in event that your cable goes out (for a week) –  you might want to read through them. There’s a whole lot of talk about oscillation frequencies, anti-stiffeners, and strikeplate modulation mechanisms with the apparent end goal being the achievement of a golf ball vibration frequency range of between 3000 Hz and 4000 Hz.

That’s apparently ideal. If PING says so. I’m certainly in no position to argue otherwise.

Why Does This Matter?

By their very nature patents make for a tedious read. I suspect the goal is to write them in such a way that any potential competitors fall asleep before ascertaining what it is you’re actually driving at.

I managed to keep my eyes open long enough to determine that by adding frequency modulators (which could be milled, forged, welded, or brazed) to the strikeplate (the face). Depending on the placement, the modulation mechanisms can either increase or decrease effective loft. The effective result is that that the modulation mechanisms slow down (limit rebound) one part of the face, while allowing another part of the face to have greater pushing power.

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Essentially, if you’re a bang it of the bottom of the face kind of guy, one implementation of PING’s idea would slow down the top of the face in order to maximize performance on your below center strikes. The same rules could also apply to heel and toe strikes, with some implementations potentially being used in combination.

The actual implications (HOW MANY YARDS?) haven’t been laid out. In fact, it’s entire possible that some implementations of this technology could be non-conforming. We won’t know what, if anything, this actually is, until PING actually does something with it.

Until then, I’ll leave you with this excerpt from the patent application:

As the rules to golf may change from time to time (e.g., new regulations may be adopted or old rules may be eliminated or modified by golf standard organizations and/or governing bodies such as the United States Golf Association (USGA), the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrews (R&A), etc.), golf equipment related to the apparatus, methods, and articles of manufacture described herein may be conforming or non-conforming to the rules of golf at any particular time. Accordingly, golf equipment related to the apparatus, methods, and articles of manufacture described herein may be advertised, offered for sale, and/or sold as conforming or non-conforming golf equipment. The apparatus, methods, and articles of manufacture described herein are not limited in this regard.

While the above examples may be described in connection with a driver-type golf club, the apparatus, methods, and articles of manufacture described herein may be applicable to other types of golf club such as a fairway wood-type golf club, a hybrid-type golf club, an iron-type golf club, a wedge-type golf club, or a putter-type golf club. Alternatively, the apparatus, methods, and articles of manufacture described herein may be applicable to other type of sports equipment such as a hockey stick, a tennis racket, a fishing pole, a ski pole, etc.

For those looking to dig deeper, the full text of the patent application can be found here.

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      Bill Kent

      8 years ago

      Can it sink 8ft putts???

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      Sam Cicala

      8 years ago

      when they make a golf ball that always lands in the middle of the fairway 300 yards away then they can call it new technology and I’ll buy it…………hahaha

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      Naomi McIntosh

      8 years ago

      Lets hope it comes in pink! !@

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      Bill Pullen

      8 years ago

      Will it get me past the red tees?

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      Guy Crawford

      8 years ago

      That magical 20 that they all promise lol

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      Lyle Hicks

      8 years ago

      It will get me all the way to the next drink cart!

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      Donald Spring

      8 years ago

      Would I be correct in saying that restrictions on manufacturing club faces that skimming the face would increase the ball speed comming of the face so extra distance but non conforming

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      Kenny Saunders

      8 years ago

      Good article but as a wise rep told me a few years ago. “We are just selling hope”

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      Chris Baron

      8 years ago

      I’m holding out for the TM M 5

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      Mick Burke

      8 years ago

      I also don’t buy into this “new technology” rubbish.
      You buy and use what looks good for you. I love the look of Mizuno and that’s what I use. I like the look of Titleist irons as well.
      Worst looking irons for me are Ping. Bricks on a stick.

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      Shaun Storm

      8 years ago

      I get all the naysayers but there have been improvements. Granted much is overhyped but tech deniers are redic. It might not help center center hits but things have improved for misses.

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      Mike Browne

      8 years ago

      Hey Marc, I may start looking for a new driver, what do you recommend?

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      Verne D Perry Jr.

      8 years ago

      Like my present stick, about 175 yards! If it goes much father, call the USGA as it is a non-conforming club that looks a lot like other former Ping drivers!

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      Harry Webster

      8 years ago

      As a golfer I find this very boring. Just get in out into the market and let the consumer decide. Go Ping!

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      Robert Penner

      8 years ago

      We try every day to debunk the “HOLY GRAIL SHAFT” myth. Yes, a well fit shaft can make a difference, but it’s not going to make you a tour pro like the shaft pushers try and brainwash you to believe. Save your money on all the upcharged shafts. Go ahead and try them if you want, it doesn’t hurt to test them. THAT is the problem being perpetuated today more than anything else.

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      james storment

      8 years ago

      You better come up with something quick,the public knows it’s not the club and we’re tired of seeing high prices on new equipment that is no better than the old!There’s way too many different products and there’s No difference in them other than appearance and your so called new changes.( it’s been going on way to long,the majority of the public knows you’re ripping us off with your new so called products!)
      Sorry for this reality response!I’m sure you already know!

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      Andre Thaon d’Arnoldi

      8 years ago

      Just another driver. Definitely no longer than any other if conforming

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      Sam Wilkinson

      8 years ago

      It won’t.

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      Joseph Sanchez

      8 years ago

      The same that ur getting now. With all this suppose new distance, I’m pretty sure I’m suppose to be averaging around 515yds by now

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      Jonas Borra

      8 years ago

      Zero

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      Cody Cordova

      8 years ago

      I hit an 08 Taylormade TP Tour Burner driver and nothing even comes close. I work in golf and have tried everything different heads, shaft types, lofts, you name it!!! It’s all in the INDIAN and not the Arrow!!! Golf manufacturers want us to play into this HYPE!!!

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      Al H

      8 years ago

      All manufacturers flog the heck out of the esthetics of golf head design minutiae….when in fact, an optimized shaft selection may do more for distance, launch angle, side and vertical spin rate [ maybe ], etc. Ball position is key; efficiency of impact [ smash factor ] is key. Looks to me like Ping is considering a dual face plate…something KZG tried years ago ??…Given, Trackman shows the Tour guys with a low or negative angle of attack….seems like…improving COR for the masses on off center hits…ie…high head MOI…is another key design attribute to be considered. Tom Wishon led the way in high MOI heads….what….2006 or 2007 ?….The OEM marketing guys probably worked in the ladies garment industry at one time, IMO. !

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      Andrew Fong

      8 years ago

      Interesting. I thought there are restrictions on how far they can develop clubs, balls too.

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      David Price

      8 years ago

      Can’t wait. Non conforming clubs have a place in golf. My seniors still using belly putters to save there backs and still play.

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      Buck Mayers

      8 years ago

      PING IS THE BEST ON QUALITY, QUALITY CONTROL AND MY REP IS AMAZING ⛳️

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      Aaron Stockwell

      8 years ago

      Not going to happen, I refuse to buy into the $400+ driver hype. If the technology is that good, then it will be around in 3 years and I will get the same driver for $149 on a discount rack.

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      Kevin Hefner

      8 years ago

      This used to be the case, for sure. Companies are starting to control their inventories so that there is not product after the first markdown.

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      Aaron Stockwell

      8 years ago

      Well, sort of…my current driver (X2 Hot Calloway) which I bought 2 years ago, and AFTER it had been on the market for nearly a year, is still available locally for $129. Rest assured, I didn’t pay the “original price” of $299. When I bought it, they had it on sale for $239 because the Big Bertha (blue and silver slider driver) had just came out, which was the $299 driver of the day.

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      Buck Mayers

      8 years ago

      You wouldn’t rather play better today?? Why wait 2 years??

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      Aaron Stockwell

      8 years ago

      Buck – I went to my local dealer and demo’d the “new” Calloway XR driver this week, and head to head settings (same shaft, loft, lie), I hit my X2 Hot 3 yards farther on average than the XR, plus kept it in the fairway. Why spend $300 on the latest driver to lose 3 yards? Maybe in 3 years when my driver is 5-6 years old, I could get the latest driver. By then, they will have developed 5 new drivers by then. But seeing the ? indicates you may be just kidding around.

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      Darryn Patch

      8 years ago

      golf has gotten harder for the average joe with balls that go further drivers that go further, a block or pull might have gone 180m and ended in the rough, now that block will go 200 and your in the trees, I’d take 230m down the middle everyday over 250m down the middle or possibly into the boon docks???

      Straighter not further should be the goal????

      I got a 910D2 driver that goes far enough often enough and straight enough to stay in the bag until it breaks

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      Michael Schurman

      8 years ago

      Dave Hughes Dec 30 2015 5:02. Ping has introduced a lot of engineering into their manufacturing processes but so did Accuform Canada. Their main source of income was manufacturing parts for old and/or obsolete aircraft. The founding owner, John Saxson invented some amazing club designs and created some incredible methods to measure the effectiveness of them. America isn’t the only country in the world where golf is played and clubs are made. Try John Letters or Ben Sayers in Scotland. If you want to go back a bit, try some of the innovations made by Kenneth Smith and/or Irving Schloss. Just because Ping is current doesn’t mean they are the only innovators in fact, Taylor Made has been pretty mobile the past few years too!

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      Wolfie Mikiel

      8 years ago

      I use mizuno irons. Love them. And discoverd that the old X2 Hot is the most solid, forgiving driver for me. I tested the M1, SLDR and most thing in between, but I never bought them. I am at a golden time in my holding career. (When I say career, I obviously have a day job) but I am at the golden time where I have the best clubs for me and have no interest in upgrading anything. The top of the range new, super tech drivers don’t give me any extra distance (maybe 1 yard) and are no less forgiving. And I think that’s how it will be for quite some time. If you give an X2 Hot to Adam Scott he will likely put it 300 meters down the middle. It’s not the club, it’s the swing. Spend that $500 working on camera to fix your swing before you expect a club to drop your handicap 18 points.

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      Rikard Näslund

      8 years ago

      Intressanta saker på gång från Ping

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      RevKev

      8 years ago

      I’m certainly no physicist but it doesn’t take much effort to understand that there is potential here – First if launch conditions may be tweaked towards the ideal (whether its 17/1700 or 14.5/2500) and if those numbers are obtainable on a wider variety of off center hits it will be easier for a player to obtain his or her maximum potential.

      No club will turn any of us into Bubba Watson because we don’t have that potential but better equipment properly fit to a player’s profile might take a 10 and make him an 8 – A mid 80’s shooter and move him into the high 70’s or better a low 90’s guy into the 80’s more consistently. The G30 is already very forgiving, its reasonably long on off center hits but there’s still some distance and trajectory loss, imagine having none!

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      John Anthony Eubanks

      8 years ago

      Every club from 1995 and up has added 5 yards to your swing and took 8 strokes off your score. That’s why I hit the ball 654 yards off the tee and shoot 58 every time I play.

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      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      What’s the best driver for the average golfer of the past 3 years thanks

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      Daniel Atherton

      8 years ago

      Jeff try a 913 or 915 d2. It’s the forgiving head. They make a d3 but it’s not forgiving. Get fitted for a shaft and you will hit straight drives all day.

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      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      Thank you Daniel just been debating on which brand to try

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      Daniel Atherton

      8 years ago

      Your welcome Jeff. Titleist makes quality products. They don’t put out new drivers every year and they don’t have 15 models to choose from. Plus they are the classiest looking clubs. By all means go get fitted. The two main things to look for is shot dispersion. How far your missing left and right. Front to back distances is the other. You might find a driver that you hit a mile, but can only do that one time out of ten. Look for the best average distance. Not the driver that you hit the farthest one time. Hope this helps. This process can be confusing and having the wrong clubs is a problem you have control over.

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      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      Thanks you it’s certainly a big help

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      Ryan Tracy

      8 years ago

      Depends if you are a person that spins the ball or not. If you have a tendency to hit down on the ball, the 913 might be one of the worst options for you because the head itself is very spinny. Do yourself a favor and go get fit. Ping G30 is extremely forgiving. Tour edge e8 was pretty good as well. The great big Bertha from this year is extremely forgiving as well. I play a cobra Bio cell+ if you were curious.

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      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      Thanks Ryan for feedback will check on this as well

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      Daniel Atherton

      8 years ago

      Ryan any of those type of heads are really high spinning. They help regular players get the ball up for longer carries. You take the spin out of it with the shaft. We can disagree on manufactures. I personally think those other brands aren’t even close when it comes to quality of materials.

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      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      Thank you

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      Jeff Moore

      8 years ago

      I have always been a Taylor made guy but the new stuff I have been struggling with hitting g25 and also been messing with 915 d2

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      Alan Mowers

      8 years ago

      Bombtech grenade! Go check it out , Google bombtech golf

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      Ronald Kuntoro

      8 years ago

      how about 500cc driver with .900 COR. that would be the next big thing :)

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      Wolfie Mikiel

      8 years ago

      Until the USGA change the rules we will never see it.

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      Ronald Kuntoro

      8 years ago

      it was a sarcasm :)

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      Mark T.

      8 years ago

      Seems to me that it resembles Taylormade’s inverted cone technology. Expanding the sweet spot to a larger area across the clubface. As Aerosmith sing’s ,,, “A new version of the old scene”. I’m sure it’s different enough not to conflict with Taylormade’s patents, but not so sure it’s revolutionary.

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      Dave Tutelman

      8 years ago

      Tony, I don’t think you had the diagrams that best illustrate what they are trying to do. In your defense, I don’t think they included those diagrams in patent application number 20150360095. But it would show how energy transfer peaks when there is a particular integer ratio (I’m guessing 1:1) between the vibration frequency of the ball on the clubface and the vibration frequency of the clubface itself. They also have to maintain that ratio over a reasonable portion of the clubface, not just the center.

      I had that discussion with Dick Helmstetter of Callaway Golf in their R&D building (the “Test Center”) way back in 1998. Callaway had brought out the high-COR ERC driver by then, and the rules bodies were wondering what to do about drivers with flexible clubfaces. (They later agreed to limit them to .83, but that was not even on the table at the time of the discussion.)

      So the concept is not new (as you point out). Further, I don’t see being at all important unless it raises COR above .83. That’s because everybody pretty much knows how to get to .83 today. This is reinforced by their comment about the rules changing from time to time. Since I don’t see the USGA and R&A moving to increase the COR limit, I have to guess the companies are looking at selling some non-conforming models.

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      Golfer Burnz

      8 years ago

      Every time I read modulation frequency mechanism… I kept thinking flux capacitor and Emmet “Doc” Brown (Christopher Lloyd). Does PING employ whacky guys with weird hair and white lab coats?

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

      Rory is by far the longest and straightest out there and his spin launch is 6 degrees.

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      which should mean a lot to Rory and absolutely nothing to anyone else.

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

      If you read the post below it the it will mean something to you ya tool

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

      Then*

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

      If you want a maximise distance off the tee you need to get your spin launch below 9 degrees.

      Spin launch is dynamic loft ( club face angle at impact minus attack angle. This is a fact

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      Jonas Rydqvist

      8 years ago

      Not true. First. Its spin loft. And u can have spin loft of 8 with 8 dynamic loft and 0 attack angle. And not maximize distance. You need a good spin loft for your swingspeed with as Much positive attack angle as possible

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

      Yes your right it is spin loft, apologies for the typo… Makes me laugh how people love to tell other people they are wrong..

      I work with someone from adams golf on my spin loft and anything below 9 is what you want. That’s straight from the tour van so I think I would be listening to what they say.

      I get your point but if you don’t have a good swing speed then I very much doubt working on spin loft is even relevant.

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      Ronald Kuntoro

      8 years ago

      so many people saying 14 degree is the optimal launch angle. But is it true regardless their ball speed?

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      Jonas Rydqvist

      8 years ago

      So you say that a dynamic loft of 4. And a -4 attack angle is near optimal? Ask the tour bus Again. U got it wrong

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      Ryan Tracy

      8 years ago

      You can launch at 14 degrees as long and your spin is low. You want to maximize your carry distance and keep the spin low so that you will still see some run out. If you are launching at 14 your spin, ideally, should be in the low 2000s.

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

      An interesting video.. Please job as can you find some negative things to say about this as well please

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

      Jonas*

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      Jonas Rydqvist

      8 years ago

      he shows exactly what ive been saying, big + on attack angle, not only spinloft is important !! spinloft is important with the right attack angle, if you swing up 11 degrees, he probably has 18-20 degrees in dynamic loft, creating spinloft of 7-9, but swinging exactly the same with -8 and 0-1 degrees on dynamic loft, creating the same spinloft, you really think the ball will go 300+ yards?

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

      Obviously those negative numbers your plucking out the sky won’t maximise distance. No one has ever said they would, you just decided to be argumentative

      Going back to the original post, working on your spin loft below 9 degrees is the key to maximising distance. When your working on it you learn all the factors involved like hitting a + attack angle.

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      Jonas Rydqvist

      8 years ago

      better to work on attack angle, get it on +, then focus on dynamic loft/spinloft

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      Graeme Booth

      8 years ago

      These are the things you work on to improve spin loft.

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      ANDRE

      8 years ago

      Just another driver head… If it is conforming, there is no reason why it could carry the ball any longer than any other head.

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      Jas Herrington

      8 years ago

      I`ll hit any of`m as long as they ant offset. I use 2 hook ever ping

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      Yeah that bugs me too. The manufacturers think everyone hits a damn slice. Offset is my enemy and I”m sure it works against a huge number of players who buy into that ridiculous argument that they need to play offset clubs.

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      McaseyM

      8 years ago

      Whew, that’s a lot of tech speak. If it all works, more power to them. They only seem to release new stuff when it hey feel it’s a break through, and the equipment market seems to agree with them.
      Quick question: can you modulate the turbulator frequency superior to the strikeplate?

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      Henny Van Kooten

      8 years ago

      Have used a Ping, Titilest, TaylorMade and currently to a Cobra which so far is the best I have used.
      Will be more than happy to try the Ping Driver as everything else in the bag is Ping!
      Richard Munding, you should read this!

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      Cobra has always made the longest drivers but they really made a big mistake by not going for endorsements early on. I still prefer a Cobra to almost everything else…or certain Callaways.

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      Richard Munding

      8 years ago

      Makes sense but the shaft is the key

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      Richard Munding

      8 years ago

      David cobra was the best until the new z fly shit factory shaft

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      Amen Corner

      8 years ago

      Driver 0.83 COR

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      the C.O.R. U.S.G.A max is .830 ..which means if you fire a golfball into the face of a fixed driver head at 100 mph it supposed to bounce back off at 83 mph ..” I think that’s how it works”..If you use your favorite shaft in every decent O.E.M head on the market you might see a 4-5 yard distance either way in length of the tee .. I’m a scratch player and I move my driver pretty consistent through the ball.. I’ve hit every club out there and I’m carrying all clubs around 285-290 carry then roll out depending on conditions..winter 285ish summer 300ish ..so for me I just play what looks good to my eye and matches my set .. There really isn’t a magic driver head ..now..shafts aren’t regulated so you can gain some yardage and straightness there

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      Steve Balzano

      8 years ago

      100mph is not 83mph ball speed. With a smash factor of 1.50 it is 150mph

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      Ok so how do get .830?

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      No I was talking about when the club head is in a fixed position and a ball is lunched into it the head..the ball will bounce off the fixed head at 83mph .. Not hitting the ball with the club but the ball hitting the club head

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      Yes since my club head speed is 116 and have a 285carry I understand the ball doesn’t come off slower ..lol

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      Ok since I got it wrong Can you explain where .830 is derived?

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      Or anybody?

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      Someone explained it that way to me once ..but he may have been drunk

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      Or I may have been drunk listening I don’t know

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      Lee Shaw

      8 years ago

      J – you got it right first time.

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      Thank ya sir

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      Matt Brown

      8 years ago

      Wow you’re a scratch player that’s awesome.

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      Jericho Das

      8 years ago

      It’s not that awesome, I still have a day job

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      Mike Bygrave

      8 years ago

      I’ll try and explain how the C.O.R is 0.83 so 100mph can equal 150mph ball speed.

      If the club is travelling at 100mph and hits the ball at the point where the C.O.R is 0.83 then there is 83mph of clubhead speed. Let’s call that X

      If the club it’s the ball, the effect is also the ball is hitting the driver at 100mph… The C.O.R of the ball is roughly .67 let’s say. Then the ball transfers 67mph ball speed. Call that Y. X + Y will get you the 150mph.

      Bob Pegram

      8 years ago

      If I understand it correctly, a ball is dropped from a set distance into a clamped immovable driver head. The ball should bounce back 83 percent of the distance it was dropped from. The ball is dropped from a dead stop, not 100 mph.

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      Wolfie Mikiel

      8 years ago

      830 is the limit set by the regulations. USGA state anything above that is not allowable under the rules. Some drivers have been manufactured for the “in principle” engineering demonstrations that reach closer to 930. Needless to say a 100% transfer is impossible as energy is lost during the action. So it would appear that 930 is the maximum. However… Saying that it is possible to go higher. The RBZ fairway woods had a speed slot that would allow the bottom of the face to buckle ever so slightly and obviously rebound like a trampoline. This was not permitted on the driver for obvious reasons. And yes the shaft plays a big role. Mid and low kick points, flex and whip all make differences. Drivers also behave differently. Minute differences maybe. But if you put 5 identical drivers in a machine and do a side by side test you will notice that some will outperform others. While being the same model etc. the rig welding used on most 460cc drivers makes a difference. It’s an amazing subject that manufacturers spend millions in R&D every year.

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      Paul Dronfield

      8 years ago

      Paul, I was speaking to our Pro who has had a visit from the Ping rep and apparently the new driver is something else.

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      Steve Zastrow

      8 years ago

      Zero unless you get more swing speed and hit the sweet spot..The limits are already set

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      Sam Peterson

      8 years ago

      If you manage to hit the sweet spot every time….then you’re right, otherwise there’s aways room to improve front to back distance dispersion off mishits.

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      Ivano I.

      8 years ago

      Is this Driver 0.83COR? I think NO!
      I think Majors aren’t so stupid. Every new model has 0.0000001 plus COR on-board, so
      they can scream around this is longer, that is faster and so on.
      Tom Wishon has a 0.83COR Driver head with huge MOI since hundred years.
      It’s shorter behind Majors because it hasn’t a “mile long shaft” because it’s meaningless.
      Take a risk: Pick up some tester and FIT two drivers for them. Majors will come shorter and dispersed.
      You’re my favorite source, best regards from Italy.

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      Jim H

      8 years ago

      The impact threshold for redundant vibration frequencies will vary significantly, depending upon the use of independent variables, i.e. thrust ratio between the gluteus maximus and coccyx as directed by several inputs from the CNS. The strikeface rebound rate may actually in fact, be hindered by numerous unseen dependent variables such as the diverse use of non-correlated projectile lift technologies, turbulator modulation sensitivity, air density velocity drag and precipitation viscosity rates, just to name a few. On the other hand, I am able to launch a NXT Tour S high optic yellow projectile, utilizing a soft Fusablend cover and a spherically tiled, 302 octahedral dimple design, approximately 200 meters (218.72266 yards) with an average dispersion rate of +/- 35 meters (38.2764654 yards), utilizing a 10-degree Ping G25 device. I don’t need no evil twin doppleganger!!!

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      GilB

      8 years ago

      Exactly!

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      Jeff

      8 years ago

      What will this do for a 71 year old , with a swing speed of 83?

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      Bob Pegram

      8 years ago

      Probably depends on what part of the face you hit when impact isn’t dead center.

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      Steve

      8 years ago

      Having seen my swing speed drop from near 100 to low 90’s in the last 10 years I can tell you that at a swing speed of 83 none of this technology will make a statistically measurable difference. If you look at the Mygolfspy 2015 driver test they have a section for “below 100mph swing speeds”. There is no more than 3 yards difference in the top 5 drivers. With the test methods used that means there is no difference since 3 yards is well within the statistical variation.

      Golf Guru 2

      8 years ago

      Thanks for the read. This is what you get when you get two or more propeller heads in one room. Of course this is all important stuff but when will we see it in our drivers? I, like most golfers these days, will just wait until the price is discounted at least three times from the retail list price.

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      W. Scott

      8 years ago

      I love it. People are really thinking. It is like Einstein decided to try golf and went to work for Ping.

      Reply

      Bill McMillan

      8 years ago

      I love my old ping eye 2 beryllium irons but I prefer Cobra drivers.

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      Paul Kielwasser

      8 years ago

      I love my G30 and I’m ready to try the next driver in their line! I’m looking forward to the PGA Show to see what’s in store!!!

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      It won’t give you ANY more yards. Manufacturers are already at the limits of what is permitted. There hasn’t been significant innovation in at least five and more likely ten years. I try everything and nothing beats my ‘vintage’ gear. It’s all marketing and hype. You want innovation, folks? Change the rules that every club manufacturer must follow.

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      MyGolf Spy

      8 years ago

      Simply not true.

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      Marty Knowles

      8 years ago

      MyGolf Spy After reading this it sounds like Ping is tweaking the weighting to make mis-hits go farther, but center hits should have the same velocity off of the clubface as they do now.

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      Lee Shaw

      8 years ago

      MyGolf Spy has got to disagree to keep perpuating this never ending nonsense. By the way I hit my 915 Titlest 30 yards longer than my 983k – Not!

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      billm311

      8 years ago

      Can’t say I hit my Nike Covert tour2.0 30 yards farther than my titleist 983E either. Actually, at the store, my custom fit 983E 9.5* out drove the Nike. But I liked the feel, look, and ability to adjust launch. I was getting 292y average from the 983, 286y from the Nike, but better consistency from the newer model. More forgiveness, larger sweet spot. So I bought it, reshafted to match my swing. Now the new club does out perform the old – I get closer to maximizing my launch conditions on a more consistent basis. That is real improvement I can get behind.

      Andrew Smith

      8 years ago

      The only way it will add yards is if your current driver and shaft is not fitted correctly, and the newer model is fitted to your swing.

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      You make my point for me, Andrew. The right clubhead and shaft from ten years ago will go just as far. The newer model is NEVER fitted to anyone’s swing unless by luck. That’s why when you go to a shop you try just as many shafts as club heads. I wish people would learn not to buy off the rack…but then again, if they did, golf equipment companies would go out of business.

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      Bob Pegram

      8 years ago

      … or they would have to sell clubheads separately so shaft comparisons with each model could be done by a qualified fitter.

      Brett Viboch

      8 years ago

      The USGA has set a CT limit of 239 (+18 test tolerance so 257)…this was reached ages ago…drivers do not get hotter but it is possible to expand the sweet spot…if one was to CT face-map a driver it would be alarming how much less energy is transferred to a golf ball when struck off center…so both parties are right and wrong here…you can’t make a driver any hotter at its hottest point…but you can widen the sweet spot to get less decline on off center strikes

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      Blake Breckenridge

      8 years ago

      Nope, nothing has changed in 20 years…http://youtu.be/G5Sf4cZwusc

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      Matt Judge

      8 years ago

      Not true at all! I can/have taken my driver I was fit into 3 years ago(head, loft, lie, weight displacements, shaft weight, length, and stiffness) into golf stores and compared my driver versus off the rack and I gained 12 yards. Only thing I picked was shaft stiffness. What launch angles and spin rates you have will dictate gaining more yardage. Older club heads and shafts do not have optimal numbers. If still don’t believe it… my dad played an R9 for YEARS… took him try some new stuff compared to his R9 he literally gained 35 yards, “off the rack”. I can give you 6 peoples phone numbers including my fathers and his playing partners that have personally witnessed him hitting it farther and straighter. They have been playing together for 10 years. Think what you want but things have improved. What Brett Viboch said holds a lot of truth. Maybe .5% of golfers in the world can hit the sweet spot on a driver every time. If you think that’s you, what tour are you on, and what’s your member #?

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      Bob Pegram

      8 years ago

      It would be a better comparison if the old Big Bertha were reshafted to the same length and the same swingweight.

      MyGolf Spy

      8 years ago

      Lee Shaw Last time I checked we are actually the only golf media outlet that DOES NOT perpetuate this neverendingstory:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FsMM4DMmH4

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      Collin Kossakoski

      8 years ago

      Well you must not the right shaft

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      John Pelfrey

      8 years ago

      Great video MyGolf Spy!

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      Simon Marc

      8 years ago

      Hit an old McGregor driver from a resort hire set just as far as my G30. Having said that, it was not as forgiving and didn’t inspire as much confidence, which is more important than the numbers – particularly given that performance from Centre strikes is very similar

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      Joey Patterson

      8 years ago

      Max ball speed was achieved 10 years ago. Spin will not get any lower than it is now. Invest in the shaft guys.

      Reply

      Mark Rogers

      8 years ago

      I am a club fitter and believe in fitting proper loft and shaft to the customer. Golfers with G30, M1, Big Bertha and Cobra King have picked up on average 15-18 yards off the tee from a club from 2 years ago let alone 5 years ago. Bottom line, get fit and you will see a difference.

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      Rich Gula

      8 years ago

      I would assume that this technology, “fine tuned” might greatly enhance center hits, the size of a dime on a strikeplate, that the best touring pro drivers are able to execute? This might enhance performance relative to COR measurements..if COR measures the entire face rebound/COR, perhaps that dime gives a better rebound? With the right shaft in an ANSER head, I hit the ball better overall, dispersion factored with distance, than the more adjustable drivers. PING is pretty good at this stuff!

      Reply

      Gil

      8 years ago

      Yeah, Well…..It still will have the imperfect device swinging the club.

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      Foz

      8 years ago

      You lost me at Hello.

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      Dave Hughes

      8 years ago

      As a golfer of some 45 years, PING has never had anything nearing an engineering equal in the golf business … but to my eye, have NEVER made an attractive product, and that’s what many buy on.

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      Now that’s funny. I would have agreed with you back in the day but they stopped making only shovels and produce attractive products now….in the better player category.

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      Paul Dronfield

      8 years ago

      Agreed, if you don’t appreciate the aesthetics of their (and mine) new i irons then you’re very hard to please

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      ^Their S line has been fantastic for years as well. If you don’t like the look of the S55’s, Dave…well…I don’t know what to tell ya.

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      Dave Hughes

      8 years ago

      Paul Dronfield – :) I DO admit to being extremely fussy / picky and nowadays unrealistic about the irons I use as opposed to what would likely be best for me – lol … To my eye, the old forged blade is a thing of beauty, and the feeling absolutely incomparable … My club lineage (with a few interloped exceptions) is Spaulding Top Flite script, Armour Tour 986, Hogan Redline (Ben head Apex 2 copy), “gave in” to the Titleist 735cm progressive … Very little made in the last 5 years even catches my eye beyond Mizuno blades.

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      Dave Hughes

      8 years ago

      David Bell – I agree that the “forged” offering is considerably better than what they used to make, but the weight out of the hosel and the top line look are just not for me, still too thick … Im the old dog that apprarently wont learn new tricks – LOL

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      Tom Walpole

      8 years ago

      Dave try out the mizuno MP-25’s! I got fitted and pre ordered a set when they came out 2 months ago. My previous set was old Titelist 690CB – Massive improvement on playability, distance and feel.

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      Tom is right. There is no more perfect club than the MP-25. The look you describe is for a low single digit player, so if that’s what you are, kudos, Dave.

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      Okay maybe the MP-4. Thinnest topline in the game today….and sexiest club I’ve ever seen. I just can’t hit the damn thing. On the plus side, neither can most pros.

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      Andrew Smith

      8 years ago

      Mp4s are sweet looking clubs. Gotta swing well…Luke Donald chooses not to play them. I agree for most good golfers the mp 25s are a great choice. If I didn’t get fit for the mp 54s the 25s would be in my bag. I refuse to just keep upgrading every year.

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      Lee Shaw

      8 years ago

      Know where you’re coming from but the new i irons are outstanding. Also Ping (and most others) are still struggling to get a better head than the G5 and believe me I’ve been to factories where most are made and the G5 is most often copied.

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      David Bell

      8 years ago

      Andrew Smith Congrats on ‘refusing to upgrade every year’…something the manufacturers try to talk you into but has been proven never to take a single stroke off anyones game…ever.

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      Andrew Smith

      8 years ago

      The only equipment that took strokes off my game is my putter. I used to have Scotty and Betti anser style putters, then found a SeeMore mallet in the bargain bin that fit me perfect. All my high end putters are now sold

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      Marc Fine

      8 years ago

      Andrew, I agree. As a SeeMore SPI Instructor/Fitter/Teaching Professional, I find a properly fit SeeMore provides the absolute best opportunity to consistently roll the ball on line, with wonderful feel and a true confidence builder. Too bad more players don’t consider their line of putters, they work. I’m not saying other factories don’t make great feeling putters, they do. I putt with confidence and awareness, it transcends through my entire game.

      James Moskalewicz

      8 years ago

      Yah…ok!

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      Leftybt

      8 years ago

      great article to show my teenage son who wants to be an engineer.
      Thanks

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      T. P.

      8 years ago

      Years ago I built a club using a golfsmith head designed with a non conforming sweet spot located high in the head. The center of the head was conforming. So tee it high and let it fly. Seemed to work quite well for me.

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      Mark

      8 years ago

      Thought this was interesting:

      “During impact with a golf ball, the strikeface of the golf club head tends to be pushed back towards the rear of the golf club head before rebounding in the opposite direction towards the front of the golf club head. Such movement of the strikeface is measurable as a characteristic vibration frequency of the golf club head, and the rate at which the golf club head rebounds upon impact can affect the launch conditions and flight path of the golf ball off the strikeface. If such characteristic vibration frequency of the golf club head is not tuned properly, however, the rebounding strikeface may adversely affect the performance of the golf club head for launching the golf ball. If tuned properly, the rebound rate of the strikeplate may combine with the decompression rate of the golf ball to improve golf ball shot launch conditions.”

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      Paul M

      8 years ago

      You must be an engineer.

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      Uhit

      8 years ago

      Yes, and we probably already know that:

      This frequency stuff also applies to the golf ball, the shaft, and the type of swing of the golfer…

      …to get it right, you have to be fitted…

      …and I guess, that most of the manufacturers already use this type of technology (PING describes) within already existing equipment…

      …remember different face thickness (progressions) across the face plate, “slots” around the face plate, weight distribution within and around the club head, tungsten weights, etc…

      …in my opinion they describe and refine something that is already on the market, and widely known since decades, in the HiFi scene, to modify resonance frequencies of speaker chassis…

      …the automobile industry also uses this stuff since decades – Porsche etc.

      IMHO nothing new, but now tried to be patented…

      b.t.w.:

      Disclaimer:

      I have a PING K15, G20 Driver, and a shea putter…

      …and a G30 Driver, 3W, 19 deg Hybrid, and Iron set from 4 to LW…

      …and I use a PING umbrella…

      …I even used Ping gloves.

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      James T.

      8 years ago

      But do you use a Ping golf ball? And a Ping rangefinder? Ping tees?

      Uhit

      8 years ago

      Do you?

      …I mostly try to use visible things…

      …simply because I am hitting with them more easy. ;-)

      And what do you think – did I hit a resonance frequency?

      ParHunter

      8 years ago

      Sounds pretty much like they are talking about the principle of mechanical resonance.

      Every object has a specific ‘internal’ frequency. If you start oscillating that object at this internal frequency it response with a greater amplitude. Good example was the famous Tacoma Narrows Bridge.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_resonance

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      James T.

      8 years ago

      If Ping comes out with this driver they should name it Galloping Gertie! Big Bertha, take a back seat.

      James T.

      8 years ago

      Sign me up. I’ll take two.

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      SWINGWEIGHT

      8 years ago

      just another driver head….

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      Tom S.

      8 years ago

      Oh, sorry, I must have nodded off. What?

      Reply

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