ULTIMATE REVIEW – PowerBilt Air Force One N7 Driver
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ULTIMATE REVIEW – PowerBilt Air Force One N7 Driver

ULTIMATE REVIEW – PowerBilt Air Force One N7 Driver

 

Powerbilt Air Force One Driver

“The PowerBilt Air Force One N7 is the longest driver we’ve tested thus far in 2010!”

The PowerBilt Air Force One N7 Review!

As I discussed when I reviewed the Solus FC-10 wedge, I’m inherently suspicious of any golf club for which the only advertising I see comes in half hour blocks on the The Golf Channel.  Advertise your Golf GPS, I’m all ears.  You can probably even convince me that your training aid is worth buying too.  But when you advertise an actual golf club, and your commercial spot comes right on the heals of those despicably awful spots for The Hammer, well…I’ll be honest, it’s a hard sell getting me to take your seriously, and from my conversations with other golfers, I’m not alone.

Now I don’t mean to suggest for one second that the PowerBilt Air Force One should be greeted with the same contempt as the Hammer.  After all, The Hammer is nothing short of the worst driver I’ve ever hit in my life, whereas,  PowerBilt has been a respected part of the golf industry for nearly a century.  Their clubs have been in the bags for 8 major victories, as well as victories in over 100 PGA and LPGA events.  Any kid who has ever picked up  a bat, or a hockey stick is familiar with sister brands Louisville Slugger, TPX, TPS, or Lousville Hockey.  Golfers who don’t know the PowerBilt brand, maybe familiar with Bionic gloves, which also falls under the same corporate umbrella.

The short of it, PowerBilt made its bones a long time ago, and though many newcomers to the game might not know the brand; like MacGregor, the company, despite an admittedly smaller footprint than it once had, it still in business and still making a quality product.

Now that we got that out of the way, let’s talk about the proverbial pink elephant in the room.  His name is Nitrogen.  That’s right, in case you missed it The PowerBilt Airforce One N7 is the 2nd generation of clubs from PowerBilt to be “Nitrogen Charged”.  PowerBilt claims that by pairing an ultra-thin face with a head full of Nitrogen, they can maximize the trampoline effect, which leads to guaranteed distance increases of 10 to 20 yards over your current driver.  Did I mention the heads are filled with Nitrogen?

Anytime somebody guarantees 10 yards I start thinking one of 2 things is going on.  Either they’re stretching the truth a bit, or they’re engaging in some other type of deception (decreasing lofts, increasing shaft lengths, etc.).  Tell me that 10 extra yards comes from Nitrogen, and I’m going to laugh out loud.  Of course, when I’m done laughing, I’m going to want to see if there is anything to it (I may be a skeptic, but I’m skeptic willing to be proven wrong).  Fortunately for us, PowerBilt sent us two of the N7 drivers (Tour, and High MOI/standard) to test for ourselves.

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Airforce One N7 Technical Specifications

  • Available Loft: 8.5° (Tour Only), 9.5°, 10.5°, 12.5° (MOI only)
  • Length: 45.5″
  • Volume: 460cc
  • Swing Weight: D3
  • Stock Shafts: Fujikura (proprietary), Fujikura (E-350 Tour)

What We Tested, and How We Tested It

Like we often do when we receive a new club, we tested the specifications against the manufacturers stated specs.  I then taped the crown and sole with Ghost Tape to protect the clubs during our testing process and finally, we have golfers hit the product, and provide their opinions, and of course, provide us with actual performance data.

All performance testing was done using PGA TOUR Simulators, powered by 3Trac, from aboutGolf.  Testing took place at Tark’s Indoor Golf Club; a state-of-the-art golf training, club fitting and repair facility located in Saratoga Springs, NY.

With our simulator’s data capture capabilities disabled so that distance and accuracy wouldn’t influence our subjective opinion polling, we asked several golfers to provide us feedback on the look, sound, and feel of the clubs.  We also asked for their opinion on the overall value of the club, as well as the quality and performance of PowerBilt products to the industry as a whole.

A subset of testers including golfers with low, middle, and high handicaps, was asked to participate in more thorough tests where data was collected for the shots they hit with the PowerBilt Airforce One N7 Tour and MOI drivers.

For full details of MyGolfSpy’s testing methodology, see our testing details page.


Performance Rating

You’ll probably recognize most of our testers names on the chart below.  While some did approach that 10 extra yards that PowerBilt promised us.  On average, no one was 10 yards longer than their previous longest driver tested thus far.  We also have to point out that though not necessarily 10 yards longer, on average, the PowerBilt Air Force One N7 is the longest driver we’ve tested thus far in 2010! I’m shocked.  One other detail worth calling attention to, with the exception of Ben, all of our testers hit the Tour model longer than the standard/High MOI/Air Foil model.

Distance Grade: A+

Like just about every other OEM in the industry, PowerBilt claims the N7 is an incredibly accurate driver.  Perhaps it’s measurably more accurate than anything the company has created to date, but our numbers tell us that from an accuracy perspective, the new Air Force One drivers fall somewhere in the middle of other 2010 drivers we’ve tested thus far.

Accuracy Grade: B

The Numbers For The 6 Golfers:

>> Performance Score: (53 out of 60)

Subjective Rating

Looks

One of the observations I’ve made over the years is that the OEMs with the huge budgets tend to make nicer looking clubs.  They don’t always get it right, but even their worst mistakes often appear more polished than the best work of smaller companies.  While the Powebilt Air Force One N7 isn’t hideous, our testers weren’t overly taken with it either.  It’s a step up for sure over the previous model, but our survey results show PowerBilt still has plenty of room to improve.

Looks Grade: C+

Sound

Somewhat surprisingly, this new version of the PowerBilt Nitrogen driver has done a solid job creating a pleasant sounding driver, especially compared to the previous model from a year ago.  While it didn’t rate as highly as a select few other that we’ve tested, the presence of Nitrogen doesn’t seem to have any negative impact on the acoustics, and most of our testers told us that they more or less were happy with the sound it produces at impact.

Sound Grade: B

Feel

Feel is often the most difficult aspect of our testing to quantify.  We’ve seen scores as low as 2 and as high as 10.  Still, it’s rate to see a rating much above an 8, which is why one has to come away impressed by the fact that two of our testers rated the club a 9, and only a single tester rated it below an 8.

Feel Grade: B+

Value

If there’s one category where our testers have been very hard on the clubs we’ve tested it’s been when we’ve asked them to rate value.  We’ve been told by golfers with $400 drivers in their bags that no driver should ever cost more than $200.  At some point you have to ask what people think a fair price is, and start simply looking at how one club compares to others with a similar price point.  Today isn’t that day, however.  When we shared the price of the N7 ($249 Tour & $199 Standard) with our testers, most were absolutely blown away.  For some perspective; it’s not uncommon for a driver to receive ratings no better than 6 or 7 for value.  The N7 received two 9s and a 10.  While the pennywise among us might still find fault with the price, when compared to the competition, the PowerBilt Air Force One N7 is one hell of a bargain.

Value Grade: A

>> Subjective Score: (33 out of 40)

SpecCheck Rating

For woods and hybrids, our current SpecCheck involves verifying length, Swing Weight, and Flex.  We measured both length and swing weight to be exactly where they’re supposed to be.

What we found most surprising is that despite being different shafts, both the Tour and High MOI models flexed out exactly the same  251 CPM at 45.5 inches, which places both just inside the leading edge of our stiff range..

Our Conclusion

As much I was convinced before we started testing that PowerBilt’s Nitrogen technology was a gimmick, I’m now equally as convinced that it’s not.  Though our research has all but proven that most golfer’s buying decisions are seldom based on performance (Looks, Sound, and Feel ratings are far and away the best indicator of what the average golfer will eventually purchase), I’m telling everyone who will listen, that on distance alone, the PowerBilt Air Force One N7 outperforms any driver we’ve tested thus far this year.  Seriously.

“I’m telling everyone who will listen, that on distance alone, the PowerBilt Air Force One N7 outperforms any driver we’ve tested thus far this year. Seriously.”

If you’re one of the smarter golfer who places a premium on accuracy, you might want to look elsewhere (though the N7 certainly didn’t perform poorly as far as accuracy is concerned).  For distance guys, however; PowerBilt’s latest Air Force One is simply electric, though we’re hard-pressed to form a serious argument why someone would chose the High MOI model over the Tour.  Our numbers suggest the Tour head is, for most golfers, better in every meaningful way.

Here’s the rub – PowerBilt has an image problem.  One of our testers from our Clash of the Adjustable Drivers,  Blake, hit the PowerBilt Airforce One N7 Tour somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 yards longer than any driver he hit that day.  Surprisingly however, when I asked Blake if he would consider purchasing the Air Force One, his answer was a definitive “no way”.  He, and many of our other testers agreed that the infomercials make it difficult to take seriously (cheesy was the word used) – even if they now know they should.  Blake also mentioned that if he put the N7 his buddies would never let him hear the end of it.  I’ve played with Blake, and witnessed first hand the never-ending stream of abuse he takes, so I can certainly understand where he’s coming from.

For Blake and our other testers there’s no denying that the Air Force One N7 is a solid performer that would likely measurable outperform the drivers in their bags today.  The really sad part is that we’re inclined to think that more golfers would be more apt to give the N7 a serious look if they’d never seen it on The Golf Channel, and never head of Nitrogen Charged technology.

What is your opinion of PowerBilt, the Air Force One N7, and golf infomercials in general?  Is this a club you would play?  Let us know what you think.

>> Total Score: (86 out of 100)

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      Scott

      9 years ago

      Mid July 2015 – I have both the Tour and the Regular AF1 N7. I got my regular N7 out of the loaner rack at the local public course. It was ugly and beat up pretty good, with a big dent in the bottom, graphite shaft, and 12.5 loft. I took it out to the range without having been to the range in years and hit the holy @#$% out of it! 265 yards plus roll out. I just thought I was having a good day and put the N7 back in the loaner rack. Next day I went to the the discount golf shop and hit the Taylor Made Burner, hit the Ping G30, Titleist, Big Bertha, and all with the same result. I couldn’t connect with them and sprayed shots all over the range. So I went back the same day and got that N7 out of the loaner rack got another bucket of balls and hit the holy @#$% out of it again! So, I asked the guy at the counter if they’d sell it to me. They said sure. So I got the N7 and a bucket of balls for a $20 bill. Next week I found the 9.5 deg Tour model on eBay for $50. Bought it based on this article. I still can’t hit that club as well as the Standard model for some reason, but I’m still working on my swing so maybe it will come around. So, my experience is; I’m DEVOTED to my N7 Standard. Now I’m going to try to find a set of AF1 irons and hybrids for cheap. I’m hoping for similar results.

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      Fozcycle

      8 years ago

      I regripped my AFO Irons last week, then went to play on Dec 31st……Shot a 78! They still pack muscle even after sitting in my garage for 3 years.

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      Jerry Horn

      9 years ago

      OK here goes nothing, Just found a place in chicago that was selling the 2010 AFO n7 brand new. I have been playing the 2007 taylormade burner for a long time. I can get 250 consistantly and ocasionally nail a 260 yarder. I’m 55 and have a 10-12 hc. Suppose to get the club on friday. My swing speed is 95 and I ordered the stiff at 10.5 loft. Hope to get longer off the tee or maintain 250-260 without swinging out of my shoes and coming home sore from swinging so hard off the tee. Have to wait and see.Thanks JD

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      chuck

      11 years ago

      Greetings,
      I have a first generation fire forged nitrogen charged driver I picked up on ebay. I have tried to replace it with others, but i come back to it now and it is a good golf club. The couple of bombs i have hit have been with this club. It is workable and the one I have is a 400 cc which I like too.
      Thanks,
      Chuck

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      marigold

      11 years ago

      i,ve had powerbilt for the last 15 years. irons, drivers, bags, gloves, . every thining i have is powerbilt .and in the last couple of mouths i,ve got in the powerbilt N7 air foil moi driver-mrh 10.5* stiff. nice one and I hit 41 stap points with it playing off 14 handy cap . im so happy with it as my handy cap is now down to 9 . and now im getting in the next best thing .powerbilt N7 air foil tour driver-mrh 9.5* stiff . all of my balls fly off the clubs .and now the new addition is on its way .couldn”t be more happy. (powerbilt brilliant) marigold in the uk. 01-02-2013

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      Fozcycle

      11 years ago

      Recently, I replaced the 80-90 mph stock Apollo shaft in my Powerbilt WMD with a Project X 5.0.

      WOW! Now I am long and in the fairway! The shaft upgrade took the long drives and straightened the out so I am now getting 10/14 FIR.

      I usually get 220-230 out of it but I got a 242 this week!

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      Pete

      11 years ago

      I had a go at the new Powerbuilt driver at Drummond Golf, I am of very small stature(60kg) 175cm from the very first hit I was hitting 240+. My longest hit went 260 compared to me hitting only around 220, swing speed avg 94. I was so impressed I brought the club which was on special. I will be buying either a fairway wood or hybrid next week from the powerbuilt range.

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      Taz

      12 years ago

      My experience with the PowerBilt AFO has been great! I had used a Cally FT-3 (11 degree, regular Aldila NVS shaft, neutral). Although I was professionally fitted for this club and felt that it worked very well for me (BTW, I’m not long, but straight – 85-87 mph swing speed, 56 years old, 9 handicap), I was very interested in trying the PB AFO, as like Foz, I have always played PowerBilt equipment since I took up the game in the 1970s, and have been gaming the AFO irons, which are also great. I tried a 2011 AFO WMD driver 10.5 degree with a 80-90 MPH (“regular”) shaft and immediately noticed a few MPH increase in swing speed and further increases in ball speed on the launch monitor. I realistically gained 7-12 yards with this club over the FT-3 (confirmed in actual play) and at my swing speed, that is really good! The club is just automatic for me, either straight or baby draws with a very nice trajectory. I have been gaming it for the entire 2012 season. The club sits very square behind the ball, and the closed face of the 2009 and 2010 clubs has been eliminated. The feel is great – you can really feel the ball compress. The satin “Nano White” finish with black PVD face and sole ala Taylor Made are very attractive and seem pretty durable. All in all, a really great driver, at least for me! I liked it so much, I bought a second one as a back-up. I also think PowerBilt’s customer service is the best in the industry! if you ever have a problem or need assistance, contact Ryan Filla at PowerBilt and he will try to help you! They really go the extra distance for their customers!

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      FR DOOL

      12 years ago

      i have one. First one the head cracked and power built said return it. They replaced it with new one no questions ( very good company ) I love this club, sound, results, everything about it. I have exotic——taylor made rocketbalz====krank—-and this driver is better by far in fact so good Im considering their irons. by the way I am 75

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      Foz

      12 years ago

      There you go……Customer Service at its best…….Thanks PowerBilt!

      I may be upgrading my AFO & WMD in the near future.

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      roesiger

      12 years ago

      On behalf of PowerBilt Golf I would like to recommend you look at the 2012 Air Force One DF model (Deep Face). The new Deep Face enhance’s the trampoline effect with the Nitrogen and we are seeing the best ball speeds we have seen with the Air Force One Product line. The new shape also has a rounder toe and we have completely eliminate the square to closed look we have had in the past. What has been the most fun this year is our options for shafts. We are now offering a full range of Fujikura, Aldila and Graphite Design shafts. Between the Nitrogen Technology and the fitting ability, we have put together a winning combination. If you have a favorite shaft contact Ryan @ 888-488-4653 in customer service and we can build anything you need. Thanks for everyones interest in Air Force One.

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      Garry Gee

      12 years ago

      agreed with above comments on the new White mark 2 driver.

      can a review be organised to see if it is an improvement on the first Air Foil driver. I am after a white headed driver and looking towards the Cobra ZL Encore, but if this AFO in white rocks, then I shall stay with Powerbilt.

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      Ping45

      12 years ago

      Foz…I also have the irons. One set is steel shafts, the other is graphite. Frankly, I have had just about every type of sets known to man…or at least it seems so. Several different Callaways, Cobra S3’s, Wilson, Hogan (remember the old Hogan “Thins”?) and more I can’t remember. I currently am playing Mizuno MB 200’s and Ping S58’s, but I have the (2) PB Air Force irons which I refuse to get rid of. Just darn nice clubs.
      I appreciate your coming back with this info, as I have really wondered if they had made any substantial changes with the newer drivers. I still find it hard to believe more people aren’t after this club. Again, I’ve owned so many name drivers…and currently have several…but I find it hard to put away my Air Force One…hence my interest in newer models, particularly the “White”.
      Thanks again.

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      Foz

      12 years ago

      I agree Ping45….they should have followed up with a review of the Air Force One White Driver this year.

      I have both the 2nd gen & the 3rd gen Air Force One Drivers……the sound, feel & distance was much better in the newer driver.

      As for customer service, I also have the irons and when two graphite shafts broke at the hosel after 3 months, they replaced the entire set….I did not even have to pay shipping. They sent me the new ones then I returned the originals in the same box with a UPS return slip. These guys know how to keep the customer satisfied.

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      Ping45

      12 years ago

      I actually have bought 4 of these drivers …One I boughjt used and had a problem of some nature…don’t recall what it was…and called the company. They had me send it back to them. After several days they returned to me a BRAND NEW club! That’s customer relations!
      My question is this. Has anyone recently bought the newer version, and been able to compare it with the original one?
      I was in hope that there would be a newer “update” test done on the Air Force One -White-Air Foil 2 (latest version) since it tested so highly in 2010) but no one seems to care enough.
      Anyone know anything?
      Thanks
      Doc (Buckical)

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      Phana24JG

      12 years ago

      Doc,

      The problem I am having is finding one of the newer drivers to hit. Last year at Demo Days, they only had a closed driver in a regular flex. While I hit some of the longest snap hooks ever, that was not really the objective. :)

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      Foz

      12 years ago

      Way to go Hugh…….

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      Hugh

      12 years ago

      Like most of you, I use to play a lot on the weekends; but the problems of hitting my driver long and straight, just took all the fun out of it. So, a friend recommend the AFO. After doing a little research, I finally found one cheap on Ebay.

      I purchased the Air Force One (AFO) 12.5 offset driver with a Fujikura stiff flex shaft, and I can say is wow! This club absolutely cured my errant slice! And yes, I’m well aware of primary elements like shoulder alignment, grip, stance, club face, etc, play the most important part in a proper golf swing; but I truely believe that the N7 played an important role as well.

      My epiphame occurred earlier today, at the range after about the third swing. The light came on, and baby did it shine bright. I promise you, I was finally hitting to the fence! 300 yards baby! Straight down the middle! That’s right! I normally hit about 220 to the right of my target. I was stunned and could not stop laughing. Even the guy hitting beside me was amazed and asked to see the AFO.

      To make sure it wasn’t a freak accident, I hit a total of (4) baskets today! That’s about a 160 range balls. And still after hitting #159, I was still dead on, right down the middle at around 280 yards! Anyway, the sound is different and so is the feel. But when you hit the AFO, is like a wonderful thing. Say or do what you want. I’m sold. I can’t wait to kick some butt next week! We’ll see who’s laughing now. Ha ha ha haaaa! So long Tour Edge…hello Powerbilt!

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      Hugh

      12 years ago

      Thanks Foz. The N7 is really an impressive driver. I just finished up a 9 hole game at Glen Eagle, and the N7 performed flawlessly. Keep ’em in the short grass!

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      Jim Marlow

      12 years ago

      I have had a bad experience with my recently purchased N7 Tour. Stiff shaft, 10.5 deg loft. I am hooking the snot out of it to the point that I have don’t play it anymore. I am thinking of changing the shaft to the much lower torque shaft I have in my other driver. I have played 3 rounds with it and have only hit 1 drive that didn’t have a slight to duck hook on it. I wanted this club because I wanted a more modern driver design and I think the head is a definite no slice head, that is why I think I will switch shafts.

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      Jim Marlow

      12 years ago

      I took another look at this driver, comparing it to my Adams and my son’s TM driver. The “Tour” version of the driver was built with a closed face! I talked to a Powerbilt rep at their website and they admit the “Tour” driver was a built with a closed face until 2010?

      Since no one here spoke of hooking the club I was a bit shocked to hook it as badly as I do. I guess everyone got a later version of the “Tour” driver.

      It’s sad because I liked the sound, feel, trajectory and distance I got with it. But if I can’t hit it relatively straight, what am I to do? Add some lead tape to the toe?

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      Matt Waldron

      12 years ago

      Just took the 2011 AFO to the range today. The photos in the review appear to be the 2010 version. Anyway, I was hitting the the 10.5 degree, R flex Fujikura shaft, standard model, with white head (and funky tribal tatoo decals on the bottom), The face appeared to be square at set up. I tested it against the G15 Draw (R flex, off the rack shaft and grip), and a Integra Sooo Loong head with a Miyazaki (spelling) C Kua 39 45 gram shaft, and Winn Lite grip (total weight = 247 grams), Both clubs were 10.5 degrees of loft. The AFO beat the pants off both of them in every category! Very long, and straight. Misthits didn’t hook or slice as much as the Ping or the Integra. The trjectory was perfect. It was sunny winter day in Germny (I’m in the Army and stationed over here), no wind and about 30 degrees. The AFO was longer, more forgiving, and straighter. Other than the hollow sound, it was joy to hit. I iike it even better than the Powerbilt WMD version I have.

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      Richard P. Jacobs II

      12 years ago

      Just played 4 rounds with the N7 AFO Air Foil 2 Tour(current generation)…MIne had the Fujikara Motorre 3 stiff shaft in it..Also, instead of 45.5″, my F3 was 46.5″…Simply put, WOW…I currently have the Nike VR Pro Limited Edition in my bag, which displaced the Adams 9064LS about a month ago, though I got about 8-10 more yards with the N7..Keeping in mind that most people greatly exaggerate their distances(especially the driver), I was very, very surprised with my numbers..I’ve only hit the N7 on the course as I’m not a big mat & monitor guy, & I was about !/2 to 1 club(more often than not) closer to the hole with the N7..Accuracy wise, when I spray, I tend to pull/pull hook the ball & what I like about the Nike is my sprays are in much better shape(less pull & hook) than with the 9064LS..Same holds true with the Powerbilt(Nike holds the line better)..But damn, I hit my three longest drives of the season with the N7 & it’s hard not to get addicted to that..I don’t know that the N7 is in my bag permanently, though it & the Nike are both goin south with me for the holidays!…Have a great Holiday season..Fairways & Greens 4ever…

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      Kevin Burns

      13 years ago

      I was handed the Air Foil one year ago at a driving range by the sales guy. A long time ago I decided to stop buying the latest club in the proshop. Expensive hobby! When he gave it to me, I tried to decline, but he insisted. One hit and I was sold. The ball exploded off the face. I had no idea of the distance, just the feel and ball flight. Both were impressive. It was an indoor driving range. I’m a 8 Hcp. I kill the ball off the tee. Regularily hit it 280+ Loved year number 1 with this club. Noticable longer than my old club. 4 year old Cobra. About a month ago I took a brand new R11 out on the course and compared it directly to the AFO. Compared 10 solid shots from each club. Results: Same accuracy. Same feel. AFO was slightly longer, but not appreciably longer than the R11, but it was longer. Just gave that driver to a co-worker. Just picked up the 2010 AFO Tour for $45 on Ebay. Still deciding what to do with the extra $250 in my pocket! Set your ego aside and start outdriving the other 3 guys in the group. They’ll shut up. Trust me!

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      Oliver

      13 years ago

      I PLAYED THE AIR FORCE ONE AIR FOIL AND THE AIR FOIL 2 TOUR MODELS, I JUST GOT LATTER ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. THOUGHT THE FIRST MODEL WAS GREAT BUT THE NEW CLUB WITH THE MOTORE F3 SHAFT AND THE NEW HEAD IS BETTER. I AM A 12 HANDICAP,THIS CLUB IS LONG FOLKS NO JOKE, I AVG 285-295 OFF THE TEE AND QUITE OFTEN OVER 300 PLUS , NOT BAD FOR A GUY 57 YEARS OLD. THE AIR FOIL 2 IS EASIER TO TURN, THE NEW SHAFT IF MUCH BETTER IT REALLY IS A STIFF SHAFT NOT JUST IN NAME ONLY, AND LAUNCHES A LITTLE HIGHER. THE NEWER MODEL HAS LESS NITROGEN IN THE HEAD SO IT HAS A DIFFERENT SOUND THEN THE 2010 CLUB. THE BALL APPEARS TO STAY ON THE FACE A LITTLE LONGER AGAIN TO ME MAKING IT EASIER TO CONTROL. THE DRIVER HAS MORE OF A TAYLOR MADE WHITE HEAD DRIVER FEEL TO IT BUT EASIER TO HIT THEN THAT CLUB. MY SWING SPEED IS 106-109 THE MOTORE F3 SHAFT WORKS WELL FOR ME. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO NEED TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE I WASN’T THAT IMPRESSED WITH OLD SHAFT FROM 2010, THIS ONE IS MUCH BETTER. THE REASON I GOT THE NEW CLUB, YOU MIGHT ASK, THEY REPLACE MY 2010 DRIVER BECAUSE THE NITRO VALVE BROKE LOOSE INSIDE THE HEAD, DIDN’T AFFECT THE DRIVER, THE RATTLE WAS QUITE NOISY. HELPED MY TEMPO THOUGH. THIS CLUB IS EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS THE SUNDAY ADVERTISMENT GUYS CLUB JUST DOESN’T COST AS MUCH AND ITS NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I LIKE DIFFERENT, I DONT DO HARLEY’S EITHER, I RIDE A MOTO GUZZI NORGE

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      MF

      13 years ago

      Played my first round with the 9.5 stiff Air Force One Tour driver. This club is stupid long. I’ve never hit the ball so far in my life. I had no idea I’d been hitting it that far on the range. The club stays in my bag.

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      Damon

      13 years ago

      I bought the Air Foil Tour driver, 9.5* X-stiff Fujikura shaft from Rockbottom for a low low price. I am currently gaming an Adams 9015d 8.5* X-stiff.

      Initial impressions are that the Air Foil wants to go left. I hit some serious pull hooks on the course that I never encountered with the Adams. My solid hits went a good distance, but nothing longer than I would have expected with the Adams.

      After I hit the pull hooks, I spent some time on the range and think I realized what was happening. Because the Adams has an open face, I must have been closing it somewhat at address to help hit is straight. When I did this with the Air Foil (which has a square face), I must have been presetting it for a hook.

      So… I spent some time really making sure the alignment aid was square to the target. I then played it back a tiny bit in my stance compared to the Adams. I ended up hitting the nicest push draws that started a few yards right of target and drew back in. I was on a range and could not really tell the distance, but I am sure they were solid – in the 250 – 270 range with roll.

      I am excited to take this to the course again and see if I can take the positive results from the range.

      The overall trajectory of the Air Foil is higher than the Adams (which would be expected), but in no way ballooning or “moon shots”. The sound is a little too tinny for my liking, but it is something that I could live with. The feel too is a little tinny, but solid when you hit the sweet spot.

      Overall a solid driver. I am not sure yet if there is any distance gain compared to my Adams. I will have to compare on the course by seeing where the Air Foil drives end up compared to what I am used to. I don’t know if I could successfully hit the two drivers back to back since I would need to make too many set-up and swing changes between the two.

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      David Valentine

      13 years ago

      I was using the regular model not the tour. I tried it again today and maybe the one shot that came out of the tiny sweet spot did go a yard or two further but my Titleist was far more reliable. The shaft felt pretty similar to the F1 55 Motore on my driver. I have almost total confidence in my D3 and virtually none with the PB.

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      MF

      13 years ago

      Okay — I hit a few balls with mine yesterday evening (Air Foil Tour, 9.5, stiff). For context, my issue has always been a hook. Big drivers with the wrong shafts and reduced playing time the past two years has made my golf game a mess, especially off the tee (continually playing from the left rough or trees, ballooning drives in the wind, overcorrecting the hook, block fading, dropping the driver altogether in favor of the 3-wood — ugh). Anyway, I’m comfortable with this club, but it’s definitely a player’s club. The stiff shaft in this Tour model is pretty darn stiff, which took some getting used to, but those I swung well I was happy with (distance isn’t an issue), and mishits didn’t stray as far. As far as Dave’s comments go, the stiffer feel I attribute less to the head than to the shaft. The sound did take getting used to, but I didn’t find it objectionable. Overall, the price was right, and if I actually practice, I’ll hit this club as well as I’d hit any other. Dave, with the clunky feel and your shots going right, do you think that regular shaft might be playing more like a stiff? Again, the stiff in this Tour model has a pretty high kick point compared to stiffs I’ve swung in the past.

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      David Valentine

      13 years ago

      I got it via Ebay so no big hit on the wallet.

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      David Valentine

      13 years ago

      I got hold of a new Air Foil N7 Reg 10.5 and compared it with my Titleist 910 D3. First I hit 10 balls with the Titlist Reg 9.5 – all straightish and good distance for me (90mph SP). Then I tried the PB. Noise like hitting a ball with an empty coke can. Ball started right and went further right. Moved ball forward and closed the face slightly. Ball went straight – sweet spot is about the size of a pin head. Centered a couple which went about as far as my Titlist D3 3-wood. Flight was lower than my Titlist driver!

      Conclusion :- maybe it had depressurised. There is no way of telling. Either way, it was not for me.

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      Garry Gee

      12 years ago

      David. It sounds to me like it was the original AFO driver, not the new Air Foil. I had the first model out, and it was so bad …. noisy beyond belief and i could not get it to launch.

      The newer models do not, in any way, sound tinny or aluminium like; they are muted and perform very well indeed.

      I have the Air Foil and am thinking of upgrading to the Foil Tour or the White AFO 2 … has anyone compared the Tour model to the MOI ?

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      MF

      13 years ago

      Mine arrived today. I’ll report back after trying it out. Hoping those who have recently received theirs will also post an update. Curious as to whether anybody has tried out the Air Force One Air Foil Player Series Irons or whether mygolfspy be providing a review of these any time soon.

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      Boyd peterson

      13 years ago

      What about a senior golfer with swing speed of 75-80 mph…will this club benefit me at all, thanks. Bp

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      David Valentine

      13 years ago

      Maybe I missed it but what loft were the drivers you tested and what flex were the shafts?

      Thanks

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      eddie

      13 years ago

      The reason why I read many of the comments is because I just received my third AFO. I initially bought the original AFO from a friend that wanted me to try it out. I’m his official tester I guess. At any rate, without warming up, I honestly hit one of longest drives of my life in years. It was around 325 yards into a slight breeze. I could’nt believe how far I hit the ball with the AFO. After begging him to sell it to me he finally gave in. After several rounds, the club began to rattle inside. I shipped it back to PowerBilt and they quickly fixed it. After several more rounds, it began to do the same thing. They gladly sent me the new version. Although I have been more consistent and longer than ever, my greed has taken over. I want to compare the difference of the the face thickness. I have been playing the 2.8 mm and would like to now compare it to the 2.6, which I just received.

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      Usty

      13 years ago

      I just bought the AFO Tour 9.5 with XtraStff shaft because of this review. Arrives today – we’ll see how it goes.

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      Rize

      13 years ago

      I just removed the Fujikura e-350 shaft from the PB AFO N7 Tour driver and there were no explosions,

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      David Valentine

      13 years ago

      It seems that Powerbilt had been having some Computer problems which is why I never received an answer. Ryan responded :-

      “In the “Tour head” we us a Fujikura Motore F3 in our regular and stiff flexes- 60g. In our MOI model- we use a custom stock Fujikura shaft- 55g

      You can re-shaft any model of the Air Foil drivers at any time without having the nitrogen leak out. The tip is .335.”

      Thanks for the info Rod. Vey helpful.

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      Rod Albers

      13 years ago

      My pleasure, David! Glad to hear it worked out :)

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      Rod Albers

      13 years ago

      David Valentine (and all), first of all let me say that I jumped on the PowerBilt nitrogen bandwagon out of the gate with their infomercial. To get properly fitted, I called the company directly (circa summer/fall 2009) and spoke with Ryan, a very intelligent and helpful gentlemen, who assessed my needs over the phone (115mph SS, wanted to be able to work the ball both ways with tight dispersion and still crush it.) Ryan suggested a 9.5 Geo (1st generation, square type head) with X flex, which would probably need to be re-shafted to my taste. He NAILED it. That driver is nasty, not just for extreme distance, but more so for accuracy. (Yes David, you can re-shaft it. I put a House of Forged Patriot “WhupNShaft” in mine. It is so “scary long” as one buddy puts it, that this set up has proven to be impractical at certain courses I play.

      The club will not explode (and if it does, it won’t be hazardous to your health… I know because I’ve exploded one. More on that in a minute, but you sir need to call PowerBilt @ 888-488-4653 and ask for Ryan. Maybe there’s a good reason they haven’t responded to your emails? They take my phone call with pleasure every time and have been nothing but a joy to work with each time.

      Anyway, I ended up buying the AFO GV 3 wood, too . I immediately re-shafted it with a Graman 540 cherry bomb X and took it to the range. Halfway through the first bucket, I was in a serious rhythm cascading 300 yd smart bombs when the top of the head exploded (but remained intact)! It looked like a .50 cal hit a small metal melon and splintered it into a dangerous work of desk art. Sad panda face. I called up Powerbilt and again spoke with Ryan, who said they’ve improved the original model 3 times now so they are now stronger and better equipped to withstand guys like me. Upon receiving my shattered 3 wood, he immediately shipped out a new 2011 white AFO Air Foil 2. This thing is sick. Guys take more notice when you out drive them with a 3 wood than when you blow by them with a driver. I highly recommend it.

      Cliff notes: AFO’s rock, PowerBilt rocks, PowerBilt customer service rocks. Best value in golf, period space space. Paying $400 (or anywhere close, for that matter) is senseless, unless you are someone who would spend more to have less so your buddies don’t razz you (once) for hitting “infomercial” equipment.

      By the way, I recently purchased a Callaway FT-IQ with an X-stiff Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Whiteboard Fubuki, sold on the strength that many say it is the straightest, best feeling driver, and the fact that I could get it for $100 bucks and ditch the head if need be because the shaft alone sells for $275. Is the FT-IQ the best feeling driver combo? Pretty tough to beat, IMO. Straightest? Maybe so, but this old worn out 1st gen AFO is 25+ yds longer on the reg. Looking to upgrade to the latest AFO and swap the Fubuki to see what happens…

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      Rod Albers

      13 years ago

      Oh, I forgot mention I originally upgraded to the AFO from a Geek DotComThis with Graman combo, which set the Guiness record for long drive in a PGA sanctioned tournament at 551 yds. Not exactly the most accurate driver though, but Geek’s owner Steve Almo has said publicly that in his 33+ years in the golf industry that nobody has ever cared about accuracy. I disagree, as it doesn’t guys like me much good to hit it further into the weeds.

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      David Valentine

      13 years ago

      Your extra distance from 115 MPH leaves me a little baffled.I was under the impression that PB managed to keep the COR legal because it is measured at 110 MPH but the thin face allowed greater COR for slow swingers like myself. Obviously you are benefitting enormously. Makes one wonder how long they will stay legal.

      David Valentine

      13 years ago

      Well, maybe Roesiger is reading this or maybe he isn’t because it seems Powerbilt are disinterested in making sales. I have heard zilch from them about the shaft change. I must assume that they are not willing to put their neck on the line because of all those avaricious American lawyers or whatever you call them over there?

      Either way, as a customer, I have now decided that Powerbilt is not a company that I would wish to deal with these days although I had their Orange bag and clubs back in the 70’s when I was playing to 6. Personally, when I was in business, the customer came first. It was the basis of success.

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      David valentine

      13 years ago

      Thrice, I have emailed PB now and not a murmur. I can only assume that the possibility of a client blowing himself up has caused them to take legal advice! So, wearing an old WW2 gas mask and some thick clothing, I shall approach the head with a blow torch. I have given instructions to my wife to sue them if I am incapacitated because there are no instructions anywhere that one must not attempt it.

      I find it absolutely incredible that a company will not respond to it’s clientele.

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      David Valentine

      13 years ago

      I emailed Powerbilt sales asking about the shaft weight etc. I also asked whether it was safe to re-shaft the club. I thought the head might explode when heat was applied! I prefer a 57g shaft with 3.5-4.0 torque.

      I sent the mail twice but have received no reply.

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      ChrisK

      13 years ago

      May as well throw my comments in the mix. I decided to get the driver after reading this review, and I’m glad I did. Without the support structure in the head, it’s definitely a very different feeling driver for me, but it’s the longest driver i’ve ever hit. I’ve had a radar gun that I bought on the cheap on ebay awhile back, and I noticed that I immediately gained about 3-5 mph clubhead speed with this club over my old Cleveland Hibore XL and Taylormade 360 (from a 103-105 avg to a 106-110 avg). I will admit that some of my buddies laugh about the club being “gas-powered”, but i’ve driven it by them far enough for them to recognize it’s for real. Overall, if I was at a golf shop and blindly trying these clubs out, the PowerBilt would have felt so much differently than what I’m used to that I probably wouldn’t have given it a second thought. But I did my homework, gave it a shot, and it was definitely worth it. I’m very pleased and highly recommend the driver (I got the tour model, 9.5 stiff).

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      mygolfspy

      13 years ago

      Chris – glad to hear you gave the driver a try. I still get daily emails from people buying this driver after reading the review…don’t think there has been a single golfer disappointed. Definitely a hidden gem.

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      Rob

      13 years ago

      Well I have had the new model year driver for a week. II hit the ball the same distance as my old driver but am far more accurate since I slowed down my swing. A win/win situation.

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      peter

      13 years ago

      Hi guys.I am a PGA Professional and have been playing PowerBilt for the last year.Driver, fairway woods, irons (Citation CS), hybids…I hope to get the 2011 equipment soon. These are as good as anything on the market.The Nitrogen filled clubs are very hot and definitely longer than anything I have hit. Please go by performance, not labels. The ball does not know what it is being hit with. Be fair to yourself and you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
      If PowerBilt had tour exposure, a massive advertising budget,…You may be more receptive,but you’ll also spend twice the price. Do yourselves a favor and give these clubs an honest try. Powerbilt is back and you can be the first one on your block to get the benefit. Good luck guys!

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      Rob

      13 years ago

      Just ordered the AFO ONE AirFoil 2 reg shaft 9 (10.5) with the standard head. This is new for this model year. I am looking forward to posting my review. I am hoping it lives up to what I am looking for in a driver. I have slowed my swing speed down to high 90’s using a more controlled approach which included a back swing above parallel and much less wrist then I usually impart. It is a swing which I was getting 240 straight down the middle with R7 last year. In my quest for accuracy I have sacrificed distance so I am hoping the length improvement will be noticeable. The big risk here, I think, is ordering the club (250 bux) sight unseen. The shaft is a “proprietary” Fujikura and not the Moture F3 as on the Tour. Too late now,,,see what happens!

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      Lonewolf

      13 years ago

      Alright guys, first time writer……

      My Dad played Power Bilt when I was a kid so I had a sort of nostalgia draw to the clubs. The interesting part is that my wife just bought me a set of Cleveland HiBore clubs as a retirement present. Pretty pricey. I wanted a set of practice clubs that played similarly and ran into the Power Bilt EX200 set. I cant find them anywhere except in catalogues from “Lillian Vernon” (not really but you get the idea….). These clubs play pretty convincingly as well as my Clevelands and the design seems almost too close for comfort which raises my curiosity…. anybody else know why these arent marketed? I am playing the AFO driver also, my only complaint is I needed a 12 loft. I hit my Cleveland about 10 – 15 yards longer on the average for my GOOD drives but it is a 12.

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      jim baskin

      13 years ago

      I just received mine today. Going to play tomorrow. Will get back to you later.

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      Andy Greenwald

      14 years ago

      OK, 2 weeks into hitting this driver and I can absolutely say that I am hitting the ball as far as any club I have owned. It has become my #1 driver and relaced my beloved G15 as my Go to club.

      I purchased the Tour version on eBay. I feel I have good control over the trajestory and I believe the shaft (E350 stiff) is a great shaft for my swing (swing speed around 103). I am hitting a nice draw most of the time. I find myself in places a little farther than my past drivers. I know I am still in the honeymoon stage, but I am excited about playing again.

      Belive what you have read. This club is as good as any of the premier drivers in 2010 and probably about $100 less.

      Thank You MGS, MGS club reviewers, and Powerbilt for opening my eyes. Keep up the great work.

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      Golfer Burnz

      14 years ago

      After reading all of the AFO talk, I pulled my ZEVO compressor out of the closet and dusted it off, to refresh my memory. Forged titanium, pre-loaded at 12,500 psi. Really seems to give some good stability and distance of the tee (It is funny how you can closet these things and forget about them). I would really like to try out the new AFO to see what all the fuss is about. I think I’ll bag my ZEVO for a while longer. Moral of the story… If you have the space, it is better to put the old clubs in storage for future reference, unless of course, you can’t hit them.

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      Roy D Tousley

      14 years ago

      Gentlemen, please keep all of your great comments coming, we at Sheets Design Group very much enjoy reading them on MYGOLFSPY ( they do a great service to the industry). The ZEVO may be out there soon! Thank you MyGolfSpy we at SDG are always watching and listening.

      All The Best

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      cheymike

      14 years ago

      I have a feeling the prices on these are not going to go down in the near future after THIS review!!!

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      Roesiger

      14 years ago

      On behalf of Powerbilt we are reading and learning from all this great input. As we have been excited about our technology and the performance enhancement the nitrogen provides we also know it is tough to compete financially in the marketing game. As the infomercial has served it’s purpose we agree we need to move to more traditional advertising and marketing as you will see in the near future. We thank MyGolfSpy for the time and effort performing the test and for the review along with everyones input. Your comments will go a mile.

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      Phana24JG

      14 years ago

      Roe, kudos for following the blog. I love the science behind the club design, but I think the “powered by Nitrogen” stuff is a turn off for serious golfers. The focus should be the maximumization of COR across the face, without a serious sacrifice in accuracy. If it does not drive the price of the club through the roof, a knockoff of Nickent’s interchangeable shaft would really begin to appeal to the better player.

      I am really rooting for you guys, and will try one of these as soon as I can. I just dropped a ton of money on the R-9 of the month with a Fubuki 73 based on a Trackman fitting. I love the Fubu, and would love to drop it into an AFO, but since it is not interchangeable, I can’t just drop one in at the fitter’s for a try on the Trackman.

      Imagine the fun you could have driving the vans around for a Nitrogen challenge with multiple shafts and a Trackman. I understand this is not an inexpensive proposition, but I can see the crowds as the buzz gets around.

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      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      I think Phana24JG is onto something here…….great idea!

      Phana24JG

      14 years ago

      Foz, I always have great idea for other people’s money. As i considered my suggestion I realized I did not think this through. There are at least two reasons you probably will not see this. The first is $$$. The reengineering to convert to interchangeable shafts is not cheap, and then you need to buy dozens of shafts in various frequencies. One Trackman alone is 31K plus $400/mo mandatory tech support. Add the cost of vans, qualified tech reps to promote the club, make approximate fits, and run the Trackman and travel expenses and we are probably in the 2-3MM territory. The other problem is that I suspect PowerBilt would not get a great reception at many of their dealers. These guys live and die with the major OEMs. Exactly what do they have to gain by providing PowerBilt a forum to rip apart the drivers they have been selling as “best fits” for the last couple of years, and then promoting a driver that sells for less?

      There are some ways around these issues, and I suspect the PB people are well aware of them. However, if I were PB, I would be on the phone with MGS to discuss some sort of joint venture. PB could hold their “COR Challenge” (or “Nitrogen Challenge” if they insist) at various venues (such as driving ranges without major retail operations, golf courses with good ranges looking for exposure, and new retail outlets dying for any free advertising. In exchange for using MGS in their advertising, MGS would be co-promoted at the events, and MGS staff/mods, etc could be on hand whenever possible to plug MGS. A Flightscope would be almost as good as a Trackman for a third of the cost, and its a hell of a lot easier to learn, but would not be necessary.

      It would sure be a fun, and I believe potentially very profitable way for both the principals to take on the big OEMs and big forums simultaneously without either having to compromise their individual agendas or other relationships. It would simply be the AFO versus your existing driver with MSG there to report INDEPENDENT results.

      Andy Greenwald

      14 years ago

      I swap out clubs all the time thru eBay. I have tried many this year. Thanks to MGS, I was “forced” to purchase a used Air Foil Tour driver. I am excited.

      Forget the advertising crapola. I even think most engineering is crapola as well. The mind seems to overpower science in so many ways. I would like to see the science knuckleheads explain why Tiger’s putting has been so bad this year. It’s pretty much the same putter with the same stroke hitting the same ball aimed at the same hole.

      I try to keep my life simple when making decisions (Yes or No). You either want the club or not. I read the review and had similar experiences with the Zevo Compressor in the past, and was willing to give this baby a try. I will be happy to compare this driver with the Superfast and G15 (my current driver). Just have fun.

      Club purchased. Maybe this will be the “one”. :>)

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      Phana24JG

      14 years ago

      Andy, I understand your sentiments about advertising, but to lump engineering in with advertising is a tad unfair. Engineering is built upon scientific principles that can be proven. If you are intending to skewer the science and engineering hyperbole used in advertising, I will gladly chime in. However, if you maintain that engineering is bogus, try hitting an old 295cc persimmion driver with a balata ball.

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      Engineer2

      14 years ago

      engineering and what marketing puts out are two completely different things. Engineering through the filter of marketing comes up with some pretty “crapola” statements – and worse, marketing just making crap up – but the actual engineering is not in question. That’s not to say there isn’t BAD engineering out there – there’s plenty, believe me – but engineering is not a pseudoscience.

      Just because there’s a human element doesn’t mean the engineering is bunk either. The best sharpshooter will be pretty crap with an old ball musket rather than an M40A3. And a first time shooter will be pretty crap with that m40A3 too.

      Is there a lot of bunk marketing in golf, and for that matter, well, everything? You betcha. But I’m SURE those PowerBalance wristbands and magnetic bracelets tons of pro golfers wear really help!

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      Phana24JG

      14 years ago

      Exactly my point. If you look at the claims PowerBilt makes on their website, you have to laugh. However, the BS is obviously not necessary as MGS and Foz have documented. They have a good product, they should be focusing their advertising on their scientific principles that apparently work, instead of all the BS.

      If I were PowerBilt, I would build an infomercial and retail level campaign around the MGS results.

      Finally, you have no clue about the incredible results I get when my Power Balance wristband and magnetic bracelets team up with my Hammer to prove consistent 350 yard drives.

      GolfSpy T

      14 years ago

      A great point indeed. In recent years it sure feels like the marketing guys are taking over, and the actual science and engineering is either getting lost entirely, or getting an unnecessary powder coating of absolute BS. I’ll leave specific corporate names out of it, but I will say that this trend has caused me to sour a bit on some companies I used to regard highly, and really appreciate those who do their thing without feeling the need to make sure I know they’re the Number 1 whatever, or the longest, or the biggest winner “on tour”.

      That’s been the real beauty of this MGS gig. I’ve hit some many clubs this year and can tell you that when narrowing the conversation to absolute performance, in 90%+ of the cases, there’s very little to distinguish one club from the next. The technology we have at our disposal is so good, we generally find out everything we need to know from the simulators. It’s rare that one club stands out enough for me to bring to the golf course, rarer still that it stays in the bag.

      Andy Greenwald

      14 years ago

      I apologize. Both you and Phana24JG are exactly correct. Engineering science is exactly that. The advertising “engineering” should always be questioned. Buyer beware is what everyone should always take to heart, and we should “kick the tires” with golf equipment. That was my point.

      I believe the Golf tests here and in Golfing Magazine have kicked the tires with real people and I believe this club passes my interest test. I really do not care if Nitrogen does this or does that, but the end results is a longer driver.

      Phana24JG

      14 years ago

      I think your last paragraph is precisely what MGS (and their Ultimate Review System) is all about. In the forum, the very first post about this topic was some poor idiot who spent over $1,000 w/tax and Trackman fitting for a club that is perhaps 5% more accurate but no longer than his existing driver.

      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      Nice statement Phana24G……..that just about sums it up….this has been a very healthy discussion. I just wish PowerBilt had a Rep on the Forum to chime in once in a while…I would like to know that Powerbilt is reading our comments …..and hopefully hearing what is being said so that they can improve for the future.

      Doc

      14 years ago

      GolfdSpy….I failed to mention, I wish you had included in your chart the testers variable using his own club….Not intending to nitpic, just another little thought….as you did on the Adams fast driver.

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      Doc

      14 years ago

      GolfSpy….Still hoping for a little further information concerning the AFO comparison between the original (which I only obtained a month ago-geometric model, 10.5—and love) and the newer version ,,,(the one this article is covering)…I recently also bought the Tour version,9.5—(used) but am disappointed with the sound and really even the overall quality. Maybe the one I bought is an older version…although it is a “Tour” model. Any further thoughts?
      Doc

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      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      The original version was a Cast Titanium Body with Forged Titanium Face Construction .

      The newer version is a Forged Titanium Body with Forged Titanium Face.

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      Neal

      14 years ago

      I like the look of the clubs… the standard has a slightly more closed face which may appeal to those who are chronic slicers…. could be a winner

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      Doc

      14 years ago

      Well, guess I’ll throw in my 2 cents worth….I, like most others, find myself constantly searching for the “grail”, trying most any and everything out there (short of the “Hammer”). I spoke with a man selling the first Air Force on Ebay when they first came out…he pretty much had been disallusioned by the club, therefore I lost interest in it. Then, a month or two back, I returned to Ohio to spend some time with old golfing buddies and do some work on my property there. Played with some old friends and one of them was playing the original version, and hitting it a ton! He allowed me to hit it a few times and I was simply amazed. Hit it as straight…and longer by a minimum of 10 to 15 yards. I could not believe it. I went on internet and bought a used one….Love it! I even went back on ebay and bought a “tour” version, the newer one. But therein is the catch. I don’t like the sound of the tour, and it does not come close to matching up with the original version. My original is a 10.5 stiff shaft, get this…geometric… style.
      It seems that with all the positive comments on here, nothing has been mentioned about the geometric style…did they stop producing that on the newer production?
      If anyone knows, please clarify for me…with my thanks!
      Doc

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      Dwight McCoy

      14 years ago

      I thought the TV ADS did nothing to make me want to rush out and try this club. MYGOLFSPY.com Testing really hit the mark. The testing showed what the club will actually do. I will now get to my golf store ASAP. Thanks MYGolfspy.com.

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      Justin

      14 years ago

      The great thing is, you KNOW it isn’t BS- not with the MGS guys. I’d believe MGS before ANY other golf media outlet… and that includes Golf magazine, Golf Digest and The Golf Channel.

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      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      They are at Edwin Watts in Tampa so I’m sure they are available in Orlando.

      Good Luck, they are terrific.

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      Ian

      14 years ago

      My very first NEW set of irons were the PowerBilt TPS’s, 2-SW. I loved the look of them and even being a 20+ hc at the time, I enjoyed playing them. After a year of playing the irons, I added the TPS driver, 3 and 5 metal woods and bought a beautiful black and red TPS mini staff bag at Edwin Watts in Orlando. I thought I was the cats a$$.
      Sold the whole works many years ago and I still miss them, although it was time to move on.
      I’m pleased to see PowerBilt crawling back into the mix and even though info-mercials are not our preferred source of hearing about them, I suppose it’s a start to get the word out.
      I’ll try the AFO models but I can’t buy without trying.
      Go PowerBilt….I love underdogs.

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      [email protected]

      14 years ago

      The TV spots turned me off but after reading the reveiw I’m going to try the Tour Mode ASAP. Thanks Guys!

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      MYCHAL ADAMS

      14 years ago

      I have not hit the AFO as of yet, but I can tell you in my opinion the Nitrogen aspect of the driver should make a difference. Years ago I had the Zevo Compressor driver that was Nitrogen filed as well and I will state under oath that I have never hit a longer, consistant, or better feeling driver ever.. So they just may be something to the whole Notrogen thing, can we start the petition to bring back the Zevo Compressor?? I will defiantely make it down to go try the AFO and see if it’s just as good and I think it just may be….

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      Michael

      14 years ago

      Interesting read. Haven’t seen the infomercials and will just trust the rest of you that they are awful. I would just comment that my very first set of “NEW” irons were PowerBilt Citation’s (won’t say how long ago that was as it would really show my age.
      Considered the creme de la creme at the time. I loved those irons and I thought they were a darn good product. I am frankly surprised that the PowerBilt golf product line has survived. I agree that they are seldom found in most major golf stores anymore. Hang in there PowerBilt. I do plan to try out the Driver if I can find it. I would never buy a driver I can’t hit.

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      Tom Graham

      14 years ago

      Great review – just ordered mine now!

      The only thing I was curious about is, it looks like it’s set up 2 degrees closed? Would be nice to know, can’t find anything on their website.

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      Ralph Davenport

      14 years ago

      Without the pressurised Nitrogen in the head, the driver face would collapse at relativly slow swing speeds. This is due to the very thin face thickness which is a feature of the club.

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      John

      14 years ago

      Hmm ……………..I just might need to pick up one of those.

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      Ben Janusch

      14 years ago

      A couple things missing from this review… You say the shafts cycle out to 251, but you don’t mention which flex the shafts were originally. I’m assuming stiff, but it’d be nice to know for sure. Also, does Powerbilt have any published characteristics of the shaft they’re installing in the non-Tour version? I have to wonder if the flight and spin differences you see in your numbers are more a factor of the E350 shaft being a low spin/low launch shaft and less to do with any real performance or design differences between the heads.

      What would be nice is if you guys could develop a standard testing setup. After the first go around with the heads and stock shafts, put a standard shaft in that you test with every head. The shaft has a lot of affect on ball flight… especially at higher swing speeds.

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      Matt Olmsted

      14 years ago

      Honestly the infomercials are lame, but at the same time who gives a damn? My buddies can rip me all they want for having some gimmick in my bag. When I hit it farther by them than I normally do they will shut up. I’d really like to try this driver out, but you can’t get them anywhere except on tv.

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      Phana24JG

      14 years ago

      Matt, if a club gave me ten or more yards with equal dispersion, I could care less if it was K-Mart Annika Sorenstam driver with a Clairol shaft and was “powered by estrogen.”

      There are retailers who stock these drivers, as I recall the PowerBilt website has a store locator.

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      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      They are now available at Edwin Watts or you can go to http://www.powerbilt.com

      There are some available on ebay as well. Prices are reasonable.

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      John Wuest

      14 years ago

      Matt, I don’t know how much research you have done in looking for the clubs but they are available other than from the TV ads.

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      Ben Janusch

      14 years ago

      One thing missing from this review is the differences between the MOI and Tour versions. It looks like the MOI version may have a more closed face? Is there a shape difference?

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      ed donahue

      14 years ago

      Just one question… Does the nitrogen REALLY make a difference, or is it just the club ? Do you think if the nitrogen ‘leaked out’, the club would work just as well ?

      After all, the R9 is filled with California sunshine, (or Chinese smog) !

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      Phana24JG

      14 years ago

      I am digging deep in the memory banks (I was a chem major in college) to try and find something from chemistry, physics, or thermodynamis to explain the difference. When nitrogen is used in lieu of air for pressurization purposes, it is generally because of the inert properties of nitrogen (N2). I don’t believe the N2 has any impact on the distance or the energy transfer at the face, but may provide a better seal for the gas than air since it will not want to react whatever is being used to seal the pressure chamber.

      I know its lame, but it’s Friday, what do you expect?

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      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      The reason for using Nitrogen is that it does not react to Temperature changes therefore will act as a constant force equally supporting the clubface from within.

      Phana24JG

      14 years ago

      Foz, any gaseous fluid will react to temperature changes. As temperature decreases, the pressure inside a confined space will decrease. Since air is 78% nitrogen, my guess is the change in pressure would be negligible for air versus N2. I am still guessing it is either a marketing or seal issue. Then again, I had Minnesota over NO last year as a lock.

      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      Thanks for your input, Phana24JG, but Nitrogen does not react to temp changes…it is an
      This from the PowerBilt website:

      WHY NITROGEN?
      • Air we breathe is 78% Nitrogen and 21% Oxygen
      • Less Pressure Fluctuation
      • Larger Molecule
      • Dry (less water vapor)
      • Unreactive to temperature and pressure changes
      • Air Force One
      • Powered By Compressed Nitrogen
      • Weightless Face Support
      • Maximum Transfer of Energy
      • Maximum C.T.
      • Maximum Trampoline Effect
      • Multiple Face Thicknesses
      • Maximum Smash Factor

      This allows Powerbilt to use a Thinner clubface without add’l support from the inside.

      The extra distance comes from the Trampoline Effect:

      When a golfer strikes a golf ball, the goal is to compress the face of the club. The problem most golfers experience, and they don’t know this, is, most golfers can not compress the face of the club because golf clubs are built to be tested at 110 MPH, per U.S.G.A. protocol. If a golfer does not swing his driver at 110 MPH, he can not compress the face of the club and does not experience the Trampoline Effect.

      By building a golf club with a thin face, and by removing the internal metal bracing that most manufacturers use to prevent the face from caving in, every golfer, no matter their swing speed, can now compress the face of the club and get the maximum Trampoline Effect, the amount of time it takes the club face to compress and spring back to its original form.

      I have an 87 mph swing speed so I cannot get any real distance from a club designed for 110 mph swing speeds. The thinner clubface provides me with a better trampoline to propel the golfball and the nitrogen filled chamber provides equal support thus giving me a larger sweet spot to hit the ball with.

      I hope I have helped explain the difference and benefits of the AFO to the average golfer.

      Phana24JG

      14 years ago

      WOW, PowerBilt has repealed the laws of therodymanics. Now I am really impressed! Foz, I know I am being a pain in the ass on this topic, but it annoys me when marketers and advertisers blow smoke up my a$$. Let me being by saying I agree that the design of the club appears solid, and MGS’s review and your experience seem to back up PowerBilt’s claim.

      However, when a company states “unreactive to temperature and pressure changes,” they obviously did not let the engineering dept write the copy. Boyle’s and Charles’s Laws of gaseous fluids say otherwise. If you heat that clubhead up sufficiently, assuming all the other weld spots hold, eventually that nitrogen will eventually expand to the point of escaping via a small leak or a small explosion. When they claim “larger molecule” let’s get real. The difference between an oxygen and nitrogen diatomic molecule is 3 picometers. Perhaps around 25,000 mph of clubhead speed this will become an issue, but at 75-135, I sincerely doubt the most sensitive lab instruments could tell the difference of golf ball impact.

      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      Well, Phana24JG, I’m not a chemist or an engineer, but as far as I have been able to read and understand, the chemical properties of nitrogen are pretty much inert under normal playing conditions. You must reach extreme high or low temperatures in order to change the molecular capabilities of nitrogen. so, when PowerBilt states “less pressure fluctuation” they are correct, unless you are playing at the North Pole or Hades.

      I don’t plan on playing golf at either location (North Pole or Hades) so I’m good with their statement that the nitrogen keeps an equal pressure on the inside of the clubhead to provide a lrger sweet spot.

      I’ll take my 220-250 yard drive with the AFO over my 180-205 yard drive with the Cobra L5V all day long.

      Thanks Powerbilt!

      Engineer2

      14 years ago

      PV=nRT. Pressure*Volume = number molecules(essentaily) * GAS CONSTANT * Temperature

      Let’s take out everything that would be constant between nitrogen, oxygen, argon, or whatever else…

      Volume = constant (not going to change volume of the driver)
      R = Defined Constant

      So that leaves P and nT. Basically, P will ALWAYS change if you change either the amount of gas (you shove more gas in, the pressure is going up) or Temperature.

      I can get into why if you want, but it doesn’t matter what gas you’re using, if you start with equal pressure and equal volume of any two gasses, and within most normal situations, changing the temperature will increase pressure THE SAME AMOUNT between ANY two gasses.

      Of course, this is an idealized situation, it’s not quite the same – but the differences are negligible for something like this.

      In tires, using nitrogen can help prevent loss of air due to fewer small molecules and possibly reduce breakdown of rubber through oxidation… but that’s through a much more porous rubber, not through metal.

      As for nonreactivity, that is true with Nitrogen – N2 has a full valence shell, so it’s inert. Same effect as using Argon, Xenon, Helium, etc.

      GordonGeeko

      9 years ago

      I know that only a real geek would reply to a 5 year old thread, but a leopard can’t change his spots.

      The ideal gas law is constant for all gases. But ambient air isn’t an ideal gas. Companies use Nitrogen in closed-cell pressurization applications because it’s inert, stable, cheap, and most importantly, DRY. If you simply pressurized the driver head with room air, the amount of change due to temperature would be unpredictable unless you also closely monitored the humidity in the room and factored it in for every driver head filled.

      Nitrogen is easy to get “dry” because it’s inert, so it doesn’t like to bond with water vapor. Using Nitrogen makes the pressure change due to temperature predictable (and maybe prevents rust inside the head from condensation due to temperature change).

      GolfSpy T

      14 years ago

      Quite honestly, I don’t know if it’s actually the Nitrogen, or some other design feature, but it’s the only driver we’ve tested this year that’s been meaningfully longer than anything else for the majority (not all) off the golfers who hit it.

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      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      I agree……..PowerBilt desrves some respect…….I am using the AFO’s and am proud of them, but i wish they would get out of the infomercial gig….I had the clubs for three months before I watched the infomercial……wish I hadn’t watched it.

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      Justin

      14 years ago

      Those and the Bobby Jones lineup. For the rave reviews they’ve received (I’ve read them), they deserve better than being lumpped in with “The Hammer”…

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      Golfer Burnz

      14 years ago

      It is interesting to see all the variation of the spelling of PowerBilt is just 10 posts. Powerblit, Powerbilit, Powerbuilt, Power Built, Powerbuilt. Familiarity and recognition goes a long way too. Let’s show some respect to PowerBilt.

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      GolfSpy T

      14 years ago

      I’m guilty of the “Powerbilit” in this thread. At least it’s fixed.

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      John Barry

      14 years ago

      I also mentioned I have several friends with very low handicaps switch back to 10-20 year old Powerbuilt Iron sets that they used to play. Good to see a company getting some props for low priced, quality golf clubs.

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      fozcycle

      14 years ago

      I grew up in Kentucky playing Powerbilts. My Grandfather gave me a new set when I graduated from High School in 1968. So I played PowerBilts for 20 years. At one time I was a 10 H-cap for a couple years. When I saw they were going to be at the PGA Show in Orlando this past January, I made it a point to stop by and talk to them…..I hit the Driver, Hybrid and Irons…and was impressed enough to order them. My Handicap was 21 in March before the AFO’s arrived and it is now 13…..the AFO Driver 10.5* regular shaft is definitely over 10 yards longer than my Cobra L5V. This has allowed me to use a shorter iron to the green and gain more accuracy. I just love to hit the graans in regulation. My drives have averaged 205 – 251 yds with the AFO, rather than the 180 – 205 yds with the Cobra. As for the irons, I sold my Callaway Fusions after getting the Hollow N7 irons…they are much more accurate thus the handicap reduction.

      all I can say is….Thanks Powerbilt!

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      Justin

      14 years ago

      “(T)he pennywise among us might still find fault with the price, when compared to the competition”

      Because it isn’t a worth a d@mn if it didn’t cost as much (or more) than your car or house payment. Yes, that was sarcasm.

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      Ed

      14 years ago

      You can get a driver on ebay for about 100.00

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      Alex

      12 years ago

      I got mine on ebay for $85.55 brand new

      Mike Cochran

      14 years ago

      I think I was the first to ask my golf spy to test the AFO. I am hitting the 9.5 tour version. The club is better than any I have hit. I am a club pro and a believer in you get what you pay for. The AFO far exceeds the price. Let your buddies laugh, and laugh they will. I have been laughing all the way to the bank!! Thanks Power Built.

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      GolfSpy T

      14 years ago

      We’ve tested drivers this year that retail for quite literally better than triple the price of the N7, that were no better in accuracy, and despite a longer shaft, not nearly as long. I was impossible not talk walk away from the review process without being impressed.

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      John Grayson

      14 years ago

      I purchased a tour model at a demo. I hit about 100 shots before taking it on the course that day.

      I am very much in touch with my golf swing so I compare results based on the swing I put on the shot. I found no difference in accuracy. When I put an accurate swing on the ball it goes to the target, no matter what club I use. I do not swing my driver for maximum distance no more than I would swing any other club in my bag for maximum distance. Any club you swing for maximum distance will cause maximum error. Duh? That being said, the Powerbuilt driver simply out performed my former driver by at least 10 yards in distance on average. The look and feel was very comfortable. It has clean lines without flashy colors and etc.

      It is one of the best club purchases I’ve made. I simply put my same sub maximum swing on the ball, nothing spectaclular or different happens except the ball goes farther.

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      cheymike

      14 years ago

      Interesting. This review has followed a good recent discussion in the forum about this driver. A member said he loves his and another said NO WAY this was possible. I guess it is! ;)

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      FSU#21

      14 years ago

      funny how things work sometimes. for those that dont know from my past reply’s on MGS i am a golf professional. i have been in the industry for almost 11 years and have worked in most every capacity[mostly teaching]. i have a staff contract with TAYLOR MADE and love both of my drivers.i recently played in PGA section event and saw an old friend using this air force 1 nv “tour model” i ethicly could’nt hit it on the range at that event but he recently stopped by my range to mess around on the monitor before we went to play. for the sake of dragging this out i was on average 14 yards longer with this ridiculous air force 1 thing! that is quite a bit for a pro. i obviously can not use the club but this is one review the folks at MGS nailed right on the button.

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      Golfer Burnz

      14 years ago

      Nice review! I do have to say claims made of 10-20 yards further should be taken with a grain of salt. I’ve noticed some days I’m just 10 yards longer because my timing is on an my swing is tighter. It is nice to know PowerBilt is raising some eyebrows. It is good to see a shift in the satus quo and watch the big boys sweat.

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      GolfSpy T

      14 years ago

      Ralph – As I said in the review, I’m ALWAYS skeptical when a new driver promises any measurable increase in distance. The new Air Force One drivers were certainly a surprise. It’s hard to support Powerbilt’s claim of 10-20 yards, but they’ve come closer than any driver we’ve tested this year to date.

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      Ralph Davenport

      14 years ago

      Just received my Air Force One N7 from the USA(I am in the UK) played one round with it and I have never driven so far.It is easy to use, accuracy spot on and altogether a fantastic driver. If you think I am not being objective, I have bought and sold Taylormade R9, Latest Nike, KZG, KRANK RAGE, CALLAWAY DIABLO and one or two others but non of these match the Powerblit N7. Powerbilt have produced a CRACKER and I would love to try the TOUR version som time in the future.

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