Titleist to Release ARC-Filled 915?
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Titleist to Release ARC-Filled 915?

Titleist to Release ARC-Filled 915?

Titleist Bringing ARC to the Next Driver

Assuming Titleist stays true to its playbook, the world will get its first look at what can reasonably assume will be called the 915 driver at the John Deere Classic in approximately 3 weeks.

As is very often the case with Titleist, the actual details of the upcoming release (or even the existence of an upcoming release) are well protected, but when you pair an interesting patent application with a recently filed (and apparently related) Trademark (credit to Dave Dawsey at Golf-Patents.com for tracking it down), a clearer picture of what could prove to be the next Titleist driver begins to emerge.

That Trademark is for ARC, which is fairly safe to assume refers to Active Recoil Channel, because well, that  was covered by a previously filed Titleist Trademark.

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Looking at The Patent, and reading through the details, it would appear that all of this ARC stuff is about optimizing face flex (within the confines of USGA rules) to increase ball speed, particularly on below center strikes.

The drawings suggest that ARC is a bit like Compression Channel meets Speed Slot meets Standing Wave. And while we won’t know until we see what this possible 915 actually looks like, it’s reasonable to assume that Titleist will need to mask the technology a bit in order to stay true to their brand identity.

Basically, we might know it’s there, but I’d be shocked if we’ll be able to see any of this arc-related stuff at address.

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Has Titleist Fallen Behind?

While the survey’s we’ve conducted suggest that the Titleist brand remains strong (in no small part to a consistent use of Quality and Performance in any and all branding), there are some…and I supposed I’d count myself among them, that believe that Titleist needs to evolve if they hope to remain competitive with their golf club business.

In one form or another, we basically hear this:

If Titleist doesn’t ___________, they’re screwed.

What do you think? Has Titleist actually fallen behind? Are two year release cycles still viable in a marketplace where even mostly-traditional PING makes sure they have at least 1 new driver on the shelf every season?

Titleist isn’t one to make boastful performance claims. Even the use of the ARC acronym could be considered bold by Titleist standards, but even without adopting a more…let’s call it a TaylorMade-like approach, many still believe they’re clubs, particularly their drivers perform as well or better than anyone else’s.

Even if ARC stays hidden, it certainly suggests that Titleist isn’t opposed to taking a stab at innovation.

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And yet, despite continuing, steady, and predictable success, many also believe Titleist needs to change. They must adapted to an evolved marketplace in order to survive (or at least sell a lot of something other than a golf ball).

So we ask you, what do you want to see in a 915 series driver? What does Titleist need to do differently? Where do they need to improve?

And for you Titleist loyalists… you guys who believe the promise of quality and performance. What doesn’t Titleist need to do differently? What must remain unchanged in both terms of design and marketing for you to remain loyal to the brand?

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      Shanon Eubank

      10 years ago

      Are you serious? I don’t think Titleist is at all concerned about “falling behind” and I’m sure they’ve heard this same line of questions for many years, meanwhile they go about their business of making the best clubs on the market (ok, that’s possibly a little too personal of a statement being that I am a loyalist to the core). Falling behind what?
      This is a guess but I don’t think being on the cutting edge was the issue for any Titleist tour player who decided to change clubs/companies. They left for very different reasons (although they would most likely use that as their public excuse), the biggest reason no doubt being the cash, not the technological advancements of the particular clubs.
      This article attempts to make it sound like Titleist is in big trouble. I don’t see ANY evidence to support that and I reckon Titleist just chuckles at that critique and keeps moving right along with quality being their main concern when creating their next line, not technological gimmicks.

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      Tom Duckworth

      10 years ago

      I love Titleist clubs I have a 910 D3 driver that will be very hard to kick out of my bag. However I do think they could market to a younger crowd and not hurt their image. AP1 and AP2 irons are playable but not very sexy. They don’t need to go over the top but they could sure use a fresher image.

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      Bob Hincken

      10 years ago

      Great story!

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      Regis

      10 years ago

      I like Titleist and until recently gamed the 910 D2. Part of the reason I tried the 910 was it came with an adjustable shaft which means I could and did buy adaptors to experiment with different shafts. A concept first developed by TMAG. Never bought into their irons because their offerings paled to those offered by Mizuno. Titleist has a reputation for quality and it is well founded. But the belief that their product is heads and shoulders above other manufacturers is a myth perpetrated by Titleist devotees. I bought the SLDR driver after getting fit and just bought the SLDR irons (no longer have the SS for forged) and I could have purchased any manufacturers offering. I’m not brand centric but neither am I adverse to trying everything .

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      Sam

      10 years ago

      After having chased “technology” for the last 10 years, I finally tried a boring 913 driver.

      Well wouldn’t you know. Not only longer overall, but way more consistent. Workable without fear (even for my limited skill level).

      Finally off the “technology” bandwagon. And it feels great.

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      Steven

      10 years ago

      Myself, in side by side comparison feel that the 913D2 I put into play is a far superior club to the competition. I am this after hitting against Ping, Callaway, Taylor Made, and Cleveland. It performs consistently, is very tunable, and as such creates confidence, for me, over the ball. It might not be the longest ultimately, but by far the most consistent and dependable. I say the same for the hybrid and wedges.

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      BR

      10 years ago

      Interesting article and good comments. I have always associated Titleist products with quality. I think game improvement is an area they could really compete in if they wanted to. IMO, they have the high end markets cornered (ie Cameron, Vokey, ProV1 balls, gloves). Do they really need to compete with Cally, TM, Nike, Ping in game improvement? Perhaps if their powers that be forecast profit potential/growth in that market but lets be honest, its a crowded game improvement market. I would like to see their golf balls and everyone’s lower in price, especially the premium ones……

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      dan

      10 years ago

      All golfers have different swings that make some drivers work well for some and not so well for others. As far as distance is concerned, its about finding the best numbers for a particular person. With respect to “distance” I would wager the maximum COR was reached some time ago and aesthetic changes have little to do with anything. Bottom line is (cough, TM), golf companies need to sell clubs every year because they’re a for profit business.

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      Chuck

      10 years ago

      With all this prognosticating, guess we’ll possibily know something at the AT&T……I’m sticking with Titleist….I finally found a home, having played all the others except swoosh and they are just not on my agenda…..Titleist quality and performance speaks for itself, they have been around a long time and do not think they are going anywhere…….

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      David

      10 years ago

      I am not so sure that with all the other business interests that Titleist has, why would they want to enter the two to four club design changes every year. I want to see when the leading sellers run themselves out of customers because of their lack of consistent product offerings, where they will see their fortunes.
      The issue that I raised some time age, and verified by the retailers I questioned, is how you can maintain a customer following when everything they believe is upstaged by “better” in a very short timeframe.
      I never considered Titleist until I got fed up with the marketing practices of those at the top. So, I changed course for quality and consistency sake. I dumped all of my TM and bought all Titleist. Guess what I found out. Their product is better, it appeals more to a broader audience than ever before, the performance is on par, and the products have a quality look and feel that will garner complements from others.
      That being said, I think that Titleist we be around long after the gimmick makers have imploded.

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      mr_divots

      10 years ago

      Dual Cog hosel adjustabliltiy on the 913D2. That would be just fine.
      Slots? Nah…. they have not borne the tech magic they promised. I don’t see anyone hitting it substantially further or straighter, pros included. In fact, the non-slotted clubs on tour seem to be fairing quite well. Enough marketing and trying to convince everyone they’ll be “left behind.”
      Be interesting to see if they try to make Speith bench his 910D2.

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      Dan

      10 years ago

      Just keep making quality clubs. I hit the D2 and it was very forgiving and the distance was good. If the new driver is as forgiving and as long, I might have to think about a new driver. They should market their clubs like they do their golf balls. Let the public know which one will help them the most. I can’t compress the Pro V as well as i can the Velocity or So-Lo and they let the public know which ball is best for a golfer’s ability. They need to do that with their clubs.

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      Bob Pegram

      10 years ago

      How is having a slot on the top AND bottom legal? I thought Adams had a patent on that.

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      Vince

      10 years ago

      Bladeplaya, you are correct. The best thing anyone can do for themselves in the game of golf, is to be truly “Custom fitted” Not color dot fitted, not height fitted, not number fitted. A pro does not do any of these things. Would Tiger, Phil, or Annika buy clubs of a certain color off a retail rack? NO! So don’t ever think that the clubs you get are what they would ever even touch. A proper fit set of clubs would involve a Launch Monitor for swing speed, ball speed, face impact, loft & lie, MOI, distance for each club. That data is then compiled and a sample club is built and re-tested with variable shafts, grip thickness, Frequency, spine alignment and much more. Then each club is hand assembled to the exact frequency, spine, weight, loft, length, stiffness and more. Now no matter what club you grab, or how you swing, the club will be the exact same. Now your misses become the same, your “pure hits” are like butter, and your game will improve 20-30%. By the way I did this for my 14 year old son with his set of Ping Eye 2 Irons, an Alpha V5LX driver, Ping G10 4 wood, and he made varsity as a freshman, took his handicap from 14 to 6 in 10 rounds and he has never had a lesson except from dad for whatever that is worth. By the way this type of process on your existing clubs will cost you 2K

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      bladeplaya

      10 years ago

      Watch out Vince Muira TBs are expensive. Here’s what I do with my 14yr old. Dad pops for the standard equipment cost (when needed of course) anything above that you have to work for……

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      JAY

      10 years ago

      Titleiest needs a G.I irons for a simple reason – Toyota
      Toyota branded themselves well. Call Titleiest the Lexus of clubs
      but the avg. consumer will not purchase a Lexus out of the gate.
      They need to start to resinate with young players
      – The AP1’s are not the best for the avg Joe.

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      bladeplaya

      10 years ago

      Why spend a bunch of R&D money to reach out to average Joe. They have been doing a fine job selling V1s (to these guys) and I would think the profit margin is great. Again why compete isn a sea of mediocracy when the retail price is only good for 6 months and then the clubs get sold on discount websites.

      To argue your point: Toyota came first, built a name for reliability and then used that credibility to enter the lux. Market. Mercedes, Audi and BMW are very careful on how they attack the down market. Furthermore the car guys may not be doing it for the profit/car but rather to keep their service departments in business!!
      If you really want to play titleist equipment, how bout this for a slogan “Just get better”!!!

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      bladeplaya

      10 years ago

      “Vince” ain’t that the truth (785 yard drives!!!). It all goes back to the old adage “it is the Indian and not the Arrow”. To me each one of my J33B irons has it’s own characteristics and the true player 1) knows his swing and 2) knows his clubs, how they react/hit and the many different ways to hit each stick.
      I am not good enough to change clubs every year and to me the driver is the hardest club to master, so why change once I master (or think I have) the long stick? I am not sponsored nor are any of the scratch guys I play with, but what I see is plenty of 990s, Apexes and occasionally I3s. Of course there is always the notion that it is fun to innovate, it is fun to get new paint, but to me it is that awesome shot and the confidence that you can hit the high 5 iron and fade it over a tree. But to each his own just as we all live our lives differently. Again my dad once told me “It is the Indian and not the Arrow”.

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      Vince

      10 years ago

      Another thing to consider. Just imagine how far you would hit a ball, if you really did get that ” 20 yards farther than my old driver / clubs” I figure by now after 20 years of playing golf I would be hitting the ball about 785 yards on my tee shot.

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      Vince

      10 years ago

      A few things to keep in mind. (1) All clubs have a set of minimum and maximum specifications that can be placed into a club design and manufacturing process. (2) The reason Taylor Made is the #1 Driver / club in golf, is because Taylor Made spends over 3X the marketing & player fees of any other manufacture.. In simple terms they buy the market share. (3) When you read about clubs in Golf Digest and other trade Mags, please note that the only clubs that appear on those ratings are from manufactures who are willing to pay to participate. (4) The chief still must swing the club and the player with the best swing can hit any club where he / she wants to. My closest golf friend hits a persimmon Ping driver only 10 yards short of the rest of us with “the biggest and best” and that is about 285. I play with Miura custom made Irons and Alpha Golf Club custom made V5LX driver

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      Justin

      10 years ago

      I don’t want to see “Taylormade-like” anything from Titleist. What reason would they need to, other than to “keep up with the Jones'”? I may be off-base, but I think everyone copying someone else makes all those followers look bad. You don’t need fancy paint or visible “technology” to sell products. For one, maybe two, companies that could work because that’d be their ‘marketable thing’… but everyone doing it just waters it down to the point of meaningless gimmicks.

      Titleist has their ‘marketable thing’: the venerable, noble, performance producer. I don’t feel they need to get away from that.

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      AWOL

      10 years ago

      Wow, Titleist is making a speed pocket/channel. Hmmmm…. it sounds like all the guys that keep bashing TMag for gimmicky stuff will now have someone else to complain about. Of course there wont be because its Titleist, some readers will say that this is far more original and better just because its Titleist. It seems only TMag has been reserved for insensible and unwarranted bashing. Goes to show that TMag might actually be on to something if such a traditionalist like Titleist wants to copy/create their own version of what TMag and Adams has been doing for a couple years now. I personally like TMag and Titleist, but Titleist mainly for their wedges being a lefty i hardly ever hit Titleist drivers and other clubs because of availability issues. Maybe this could be a wake up call for all the TMag haters that think they are the only ones that copy and are gimmicky and now that Titleist has joined the pack. Or maybe someone with some sense will actually think “oh maybe this slot stuff actually works”. Sorry if i sound like im complaining im just tired of all the TMag bashing, in all the comments previously there is hardly any mention from anyone how this is similiar to what TMag is already doing. And everyone except for a few will be praising it in the next couple weeks. Yeah Titleist might refrain from all the hype marketing but realistically they are not making anything different from what all the other big OEMs are doing.

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      TwoSolitudes

      10 years ago

      The 2 year cycle is fine- works great for PING. The problem is that the brand is just so so stale. No one gets excited about a new driver from Titlest. But no one questions the quality. They are sort of like broccoli. We all know its good for us, but its the last thing anyone looks at in the grocery store.

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      raf

      10 years ago

      Titleist doesn’t have to make futuristic clubs or drivers.
      And the 2year cycle of a new range of clubs is good.
      Not like taylormade, they put a new driver on the block every 3months. It’s just to fast, like drivertechnology can evolve so quick.

      I’ve had the 983K and the 907D1 of titleist, now i’ve tried some callaway and taylormade drivers but the 913D3 was just the best in feeling and result (the 913D2 was good as well but the D3 just felt better for me). The length of the drives were longer with the callaway but no feeling at all. and since i’m a player who likes to play with a lot of feeling in my shot’s the titleist clubs are just a bit better.
      So launching a new driver/set of irons every 2years, why not, if you make good quality people buy it no matter what. and the bigger part of players does not change its driver every 3years. my last driver lasted 6-7years in my bag. so why launching 2-3drivers every season.

      But being honest, the drawings of this 915 is not how titleist needs to evolve. this is too futuristic for titleist, titleist-buyers are more traditionalist than other brand-buyers. I would agree with them if they give it the D1 logo and still make a normal D2 and D3 driver. the 907D1 was not a traditional driver (triangular design), so the D1 logo would fit.

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      3putts

      10 years ago

      I have been a Titleist fan for 15 years. Have bagged to many sets of irons and drivers to mention. However, I have question the quality of the irons and woods since 2007ish. 907 and z blades were crap. I was drawn to Titleist young because of the custom options, tight tolerances, and the better player driven designs available. Taylormade, callaway, ping and other big companies didn’t offer smaller cavity backs or tour design wedges (Cleveland was the only wedge worth trying to beat at that time.) Not any more. Market place changed. Tiitleist has more competition for the product models. Tour players have demanded products the want to play and companies have listened. Now you can play any company you want driver to wedges all with “same clubs” as your fav pro that are perceived as same quality as Titleist. They have arguably lost the perception of the “best” clubs.

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      Ryan

      10 years ago

      I have always found Titleist and Cleveland equipment excellent to hit both in the feel and performance category. Both companies seem to have a good grasp on putting out equipment without all the bulls#$% marketing that TaylorMade and even Callaway have ended up doing.

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      Hula_Rock

      10 years ago

      Looks like a Nickent F-26 fairway wood.

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      Scott

      10 years ago

      I like the every other year releases. It makes me think that they are putting some thought into it and not just inventing claims to get back into my wallet every year.

      Forgiveness wise I think that the Titleist woods are on equal footing with other manufacturers. I have never picked up a Titleist wood in the store and set it down that did not look good to me unlike other manufacturers.

      The irons are lagging behind some as far as forgiveness goes for me. I am a loyal Vokey guy, but the new Vokey’s they may have made a mistake there in terms of feel.

      As far as balls go I like the consistency of the Pro V1’s. I felt like as soon as I got used to the new Nike, or Taylor Made or ball they changed it. I do not want to try to hunt for a new golf ball to play every year.

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      markb

      10 years ago

      Justified or not, Titleist enjoys the reputation of the clubs “you wish you played” or the clubs “you will play when you get your act together”. Titleists are thought to be the clubs the pros would play if only somebody else with deeper pockets and inferior equipment didn’t pay them to swing other sticks. Golfers think real putters are Camerons and real wedges are Vokeys. All others are just pretenders. Golfers think innovations are just gimmicks, until Titleist gets on board with them — three years late — then they suddenly these gimmicks gain legitimacy.

      Those are the perceptions, but what’s the reality? Since I try everything and can play anything I want, I should have a bag full of Titleists in a Titleist bag, shouldn’t I?

      IMO, the reality is that Titleist still makes very fine clubs and the best ball in the business, but they are far from innovators and their leads (or perceived leads) are shrinking across the board. The 913 drivers and Fwoods are solid and very straight — but short. I found others that were better. Their irons are quite good — but with regards to GI innovation, they are half a generation behind the curve. (Guess what you purists, Titleist lengthens shafts, jacks lofts, and lowers CG like everyone else.) Once again I found a better club than the Ap1. For that matter, I thought the build quality of the Ap1 was surprisingly plasticky.

      Sure, Vokey’s are great wedges, but there’s no tech in a Vokey, just shape and style, and Camerons are very high quality Anser copies that have built up an unapproachable cachet to match a stratospheric price. The technological innovators are elsewhere and at a more reasonable price.

      Balls remain their only lock on first place. The new NXT Tour truly does approach the ProV1 in performance at a much lower cost. There is still simply no better ball than the ProV1; the best competitors can do is produce a ball that equals it. But news flash — many are doing just that. There are several balls that I’ll keep and put back into play if I find them: the Lethal, Tour Preferred, RZN platinum, Wilson FG Tour, several Bridgestones. Five years ago, I don’t think I would have said this.

      Bottom line, the pack has passed Titleist in many categories and it is rapidly catching up in all the rest.

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      Billymack572

      10 years ago

      Pretty simple really. Titleist, despite having way less drivers in play than TM on the tour, have more wins this year. They make better clubs and to finer tolerances than most “mass market” manufacturers -I believe that any player, properly fitted, will be able to find a Titleist driver which works for them.

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      DL Moore

      10 years ago

      Everytime I go to try the 913 D3 against my SLDR 430 TP, the fitters just say that the SLDR will win because of the low spin on the SLDR. I really hope that Titleist puts a SLDR-like low spin/higher launch driver in their product line. I love the low spin 3 wood—and really want to like the 913D3 but its needs to spin less for me.

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      Alan

      10 years ago

      Who says Titleist needs to do anything different to what they are currently doing? The things that come to mind include:

      1. They make an excellent product,
      2. They don’t pay angry Irishmen ludicrous money to spend a year in the golfing wilderness,
      3. They don’t load up their gear with gimmick-ery to replace actual quality!

      I think the biggest mistake Titleist could make is to try to copy what the other (lesser) brands are doing to sell more product and thereby dilute a good thing.

      I think the right finish to your sentence is ‘If Titleist doesn’t ……keep doing just what they’re doing, …… they’re screwed.

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      adan

      10 years ago

      I don’t think Titleist really needs to change ANYTHING in terms of quality. Certainly don’t need to add the gimick of a “slot”. IMO they just need to not be locked into holding the line on prices! They would move a lot more product (Clubs, at least) if they relaxed a bit like the other bigger companies.

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      Kenny B

      10 years ago

      Look at the Titleist website for the description of the 913D2 and 913D3 and the gallery of pics. There is almost no difference between the two clubs. Sure the 913D3 is 445cc and the 913D2 has a slight draw bias, but the average player isn’t going to see a difference. If the perception is that Titleist is for the more skilled players, then the average player probably isn’t even going to try it. PING distinguishes the G series from the i series and the difference resonates with golfers. Titleist should maintain their exceptional quality and performance standards, but specifically market a driver for the average folks that is clearly different from their tour quality head.

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      Tony Covey

      10 years ago

      Kenny, your comment reminded me of something well worth a mention, I think. Titleist has built a reputation for being for better/more skilled players, and so it’s really interesting that you would mention the PING G25.

      It goes without saying at this point that we think the G25 is a great driver, and by big OEM standards it’s an MOI machine (highest MOI of any current Big OEM offering). What surprised me quite a bit was that the Titleist 913 D2 ranks 2nd on that list. If MOI equates to forgiveness (I’d argue forgiveness is probably MOI+effectiveness of bulge and roll), then Titleist actually offers among the most forgiving drivers in golf – something generally associated with the needs of the higher handicap crowd.

      There’s likely as much distinction between the D2 and the D3 as there is between the i25 and G25, but certainly Titleist hasn’t made a point to celebrate the forgiveness of the latter.

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      Kenny B

      10 years ago

      Exactly my point. The better players will always take a look at Titleist, but the D2 doesn’t get the same chance from average players. Better marketing is needed.

      'ring

      10 years ago

      Tony (and Kenny, below):
      I agree with the differentiation point. If Titleist came out with a more GI driver (a D1 or DComp of old) on the ‘even’ years (2014, 2016, etc.) and kept their odd-year cycle for the D2 and D3, I think they would be better off. At least, if they pair that with better marketing from a forgiveness standpoint.

      I just got fitted for a new driver, using a launch monitor. If I had not talked with some of the pros in the shop, I would have never thought of a 913 D2 as a forgiving driver, let alone one with the second highest MOI. My previous experience with Titleist drivers was never good! Ultimately, my fitting came down to a Callaway X2Hot and a Titleist 913D2, with the Callaway winning out because of better ball speed on toe hits.

      Wai

      10 years ago

      As a previous 983 guy and now a 913 guy, i’ve tried it all and nothing beats the 913. I might be 10 yards behind the biggest hitter in my group but my misses are more consistent and I’ve been playing the fairway more often. I’m a 17 handicap and I would consider the 913 line, game improvement.
      Give me innovation and distance but not at the sacrifice of accuracy and looks.

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      flaglfr

      10 years ago

      Looks like an interesting concept.

      Since you brought it up, anybody hear Johnny Millers comments about the John Deere this weekend??? Made it sound like anybody (including him) could win it.

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      KC Leonard

      10 years ago

      I believe this was released as the new fairway wood design with the dual channels. I am assuming the single channel on the bottom would be the driver.

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      kate

      10 years ago

      Titleist has a great stable of golf balls but the average player has generally kept away from their drivers and irons because they just had a look and reputation of being only for the really good players. So I believe they need to get more into Game Improvement equipment that is easy and fun to play…then they will increase sales.

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      bladeplaya

      10 years ago

      Should Porsche and Ferrari make low priced electric cars? I say why dumb down if it means increasing production costs just to compete. TM changes every three months and that is hard to compete with. Titleist makes great clubs, balls and bags. If they really want to kill the market come out with the CaMeRoN “lite” super duper mass produced at 1/2 the price of say the ScOtTy premium. “Some times a man has to know his limitations” – Clint

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      Billy

      10 years ago

      The 910D2 I have is super easy to hit. Put in any shaft you want and it’s adjustable. I also cut it down an inch and hit it on the screws most of the time.
      Bought on the bay for just over $100.

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