SHAFT REVIEW! – UST Recoil Iron Shafts
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SHAFT REVIEW! – UST Recoil Iron Shafts

SHAFT REVIEW! – UST Recoil Iron Shafts

By: Matt Saternus

Will More Golfers Switch To Graphite Iron Shafts?

Coming out of the PGA Show, I knew that UST was really going all-in on their Recoil iron shaft.  But in spite of all of the tech talk and marketing, I couldn’t shake my doubts about better players actually switching to graphite iron shafts.  Then, as winter started to break and people headed to the course, I started seeing more and more posts about players gaming the Recoil.  Is a true sea change underway?  Are we headed towards a day when players will carry 14 graphite shafts in their bag?

SPECS, PRICE, & MANUFACTURER NOTES

The Recoil line encompasses three unique series of shafts.

:: The Recoil Prototype is designed for better players looking for great feel and the ability to work the ball.  It has a lower balance and higher flex point.  It comes in heavier weights (90-125 grams) with a firmer tip for lower ball flight.

:: The Recoil 800 Series is for players looking for a lighter weight option (50-94 grams).  It features optimum weight and flex profiles to fit a wide range of golfers.  A mid-balance, medium tip creates a medium ball flight.

:: The Recoil 600 Series offers great feel and lightweight options (68-84 grams) to increase club head speed for greater distance.  This line favors a medium to medium high ball flight.

Prices for the Recoil line vary widely.  The Recoil Prototype has an MSRP of $135.  The Recoil 800 Series is $92, and the Recoil 600 Series is $53.

The Recoil Prototype and 800 Series are only available through UST TOURSPX dealers, but the 600 Series is available through all UST dealers.

LOOKS, FEEL, & MISCELLANEOUS

In terms of looks, UST took a safe middle road with the Recoil.  From afar, no one would guess that these are graphite: they have a shiny silver look that is close enough to steel to fool the casual observer.  They do have more branding than your typical steel shaft, but nothing gaudy; a nice clean white and silver graphic that can easily be hidden at address.

When you pick up the Recoil Prototype 125, there’s nothing about the feel that says “graphite.”  It has plenty of heft and a nice even balance.  During the swing, there’s a very minimal amount of load and kick; it’s a small but noticeable change from a Dynamic Gold.  It’s at impact that you really sense the difference.  Mishits have none of the sting and shock associated that you normally associate with missing the center of the club face.  Centered hits feel even cleaner than normal, almost as if there was no impact at all.

PERFORMANCE

For the Performance testing, I installed the UST Recoil Prototype 125 shafts into a set of Wilson FG Tour V2 heads.  They were tested against a set of Dynamic Gold S300 shafts that were installed in the exact same heads.  Testing was done on a FlightScope X2 launch monitor.  All shafts were gripped with PURE Grips.

Testing was done at Golf Nation in Palatine, IL, one of the best indoor golf facilities in the country

DATA

ANALYSIS

The 2 biggest differences between the Recoil and Dynamic Gold, for me, were the peak height of my shots and the spin rates.  With the Recoil, my shots were peaking an average of 10 feet higher than they were with Dynamic Gold.  Interestingly, the spin rates with Recoil were higher with my long iron (compared to Dynamic Gold) and lower with the short irons.  This combination of higher flight with better spin rates led to the distance gains that I saw.

When it comes to accuracy, Recoil and Dynamic Gold were essentially equal in dispersion.  The FlightScope graphic shows a large numerical advantage for the Dynamic Gold in the 4 irons, but, looking at the shot pattern, my eye test disagrees.

CONCLUSION

All in all, I think that switching to the Recoil Prototype 125 would be a fairly easy transition for anyone playing any of the heavy weight steel shafts.  When you consider that there are 19 different Recoil models, there’s probably one that would make for an easy transition, or, perhaps, a marked improvement, for almost any player.  If you’re getting fit for new irons this season, do what an increasing number of players are doing, and see if your game wouldn’t be improved with UST’s Recoil iron shafts.

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      Denns

      7 years ago

      How do the recoil shafts compare to the KBS Tour 90 shafts? I am playing the KBS in regular flex but would like to know how to jump over to the recoil in a similar flex.
      Thanks

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      Dave

      8 years ago

      I am a bit confused on the recoil 95 f4 iron shaft. I understand there is a prototype version and a non prototype. I was of the belief the non proto type recoil 95 was an asending weight shaft as is the prototype yet I believe the UST site rdecribes the no prototype as constant wait . Sorry for the confusion. Hopefully someone can clarify

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      Tom

      8 years ago

      My irons have the recoil 460 f2 which I really really like and would like to get the same shaft in my wedges (vokey) which have a taper tip. What is the closest alternative? The recoil 65 appears to me in f3 seems very close and my swing speed is between f2 and f3.
      Thanks
      Tom

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      Leith

      8 years ago

      Tom,

      No reason to change shafts. Any competent clubmaker can bore out the taper in your Vokey wedge and install a parallel shaft. Not much weight change.

      Another option is to sand down the parallel tips to taper and make them fit.

      Your clubmaker might also recommend going to a slightly heavier weight for your wedge shafts. The F2 flex might feel a little sloppy with the heavier heads.

      Regards, Leith Anderson

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      Rick

      8 years ago

      I have the steel fiber 110cw shaft in my Titliest ap2 irons. I have considered changing to the recoil prototype 75. Would I gain any distance or workability?

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      Aidan

      10 years ago

      The simple answer is go to a reputable club fitter and get your swing analysed and your clubs fitted and matched accordingly. It is simply an unbelievable waste of money to simply change your shafts in belief that your game will improve and you will be more consistent.
      To be consistent, you have to get clubs that (a) fit your size, and (b) your swing shape. After that, invest in some lessons with a good professional teacher (which is much cheaper than changing your clubs/shafts). Then practice, practice, practice. Remember, playing golf every week (and wondering why you are not getting better) is not practicing – going to the range and working on your swing is what you need to improve and be more consistent.

      I went to a club fitter about five years ago and got properly fiitted for a set of Ping irons. It took about six months to get fully comfortable with them and I now love them. Recently, I brought my TM Stage 2 driver & fairway wood and also got measured. Both were re-shafted with custom shafts (at €90 each). Great investment. It has taken 2 years to get from a handicap of 13 to 8

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      dunn2500

      10 years ago

      No shaft is going to perform miracles….

      I do think graphite will overtake steel in next 5 yrs

      But until the cost comes way down there is no way mass amt of people will pay $100 per shaft….doesn’t matter how good it is, just way too much money and current shafts do very fine job…

      If graphite Co want to really sell these they will have to get em down to $50 or less…..even at $50 they are going to have hard time I think….golf is hurting right now and economy still isn’t back…

      I hit a recoil 110 in f4 and thought it was ok….Also hit steel Fibre and thought same….

      I like the thought of graphite as it’s more controllable and engineers can do so many things vs steel

      Graphite will be future but price will have to come way way down…..people’s money is number 1 concern, performance is second after that….ALWAYS!!!!!

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      RJ

      10 years ago

      Which shaft were you actually reviewing? The pics show the OEM Recoil 125 but the review keeps mentioning the Recoil Prototype 125. Those are two different shafts. The Prototypes are a different profile, stiffer tip, less torque, etc., not to mention they’re twice as expensive as the OEM Recoil 125 shafts. I loved the review. I just wanted to be clear on which shaft your were testing.

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      william pu

      11 years ago

      Matt, i wanted to get your feedback on the recoils vs the aerotech steelfibers. currently im playing the aerotech steelfiber 95 in a stiff thats hardstepped and tipped to play closer to an X flex. How do the ust recoil shafts compare to the steelfiber in terms of ballflight. any benefits that i would not be getting with the steelfibers? at 2x, actually almost 3x the price of steelfibers, what is the main difference that justifies the insane price difference?

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      robert

      10 years ago

      I own both shafts plus the Aldila Rip Tour, they are all excellent shafts.
      You already have a great shaft tailored to your swing. IMO you wont see any differences to justify buying the other shafts.

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      Brian T

      11 years ago

      Have you tested the nunchuk iron shafts? They are getting rave reviews and sound like they’d have much better results than this in dispersion, and much more preferable spin and launch results through the bag.

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      Leith Anderson

      11 years ago

      I’ve got a set on the shelf. I’m planning to put them together and take them to the range and see what works. Get in touch by email [email protected] and I’ll make sure you get on my mailing list for the update. Leith Anderson

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      Yumanike

      11 years ago

      It seems like this is a non-starter. MSRP of $135 per shaft for the prototype? Drop the 1 and we can have a conversation. For me to reshaft my current irons and wedges would take 9 shafts. So now I’m in for over a G. And it looks like the performance gain is minimal at best. I think instead I will invest that $1000+ in a sweet set of new irons. Also, with my current game, I will end up in the woods or near another obstacle. If I need to get out of trouble, I can punch an 8 iron or something. If I bend or break my current shaft, that is a pretty cheap fix. If I break one of these shafts, that is going to be a problem. It seems like it is technology for technology’s sake. I appreciate what they are doing, but that price is going to have to come down to about $35 per for me to even have a second thought about these.

      P.S. I love these test and reviews!

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      Leith Anderson

      10 years ago

      So there’s an update on the Recoil pricing model. UST has now released a new shaft – in all respects except for torque – identical to the “Prototype”. Call it the UST Recoil “Tour Weight” because it is discrete length and constant weight for each club. The pricing on this new model – also called the 95, 110 or 125 in taper tip is just $5 higher than their “low end” 600 series. The MSRP for the “new” Recoil model is now $45.

      This new shaft is available through all UST distribution channels.

      That puts the price level more or less in the same range as Aerotech Steel Fiber shafts – the current leader in PGA Tour play.

      At just $5 more in cost on the standard UST price sheet, I think it’s reasonable to expect the “Tour weighted” Recoil will show up in major OEM lines in the 2015 product cycle.

      Question? What is the difference? On the spec sheet, the “new” recoils are slightly less than 1″ higher torque. The original “Prototypes” were designed to rival steel in torque. Question? Does slightly higher torque matter?

      I have been a recoil fan since the original Prototypes came out over two years ago. However, and it’s a big ‘however” I found that the pricing was always prohibitive for all but the most dedicated players with no budget constraints.

      I just received my first set of Recoil 95’s in the newer, higher torque version. I’m not sure that I will be able to tell the difference but I plan to set up a series of Flightscope tests with a range of players to find out. (As I mentioned in my first post, I don’t see much validity in a test of the first ten shots that I hit with any club or shaft combination).

      At UST, the main fitting guru is Jamie Pipes. I talk with him as much as I can. He is currently playing “Tour Weight Recoils” in his personal set (he is PGA). He is mixing the higher torque model in the long irons with the lower torque model in the short irons. His report is that he feels just a little “shudder” on toe hits with the higher torque models.

      The strange conclusion is that the new, lower priced “Tour Weight” Recoils are likely to be a better fit for most amateurs. The only reason we think that lower torque is better is that it costs more. There is evidence that higher torque can help “squaring the face” at impact. See Jeff Sheets book “The Perfect Fit” for an enlightening discussion of the virtues of fitting for torque – and the virtues of higher torque to enhance “gear effect”). I’m going to try to prove that theory but it’s a longshot given inconsistencies with even the best players’ swings.

      Final conclusion: For all of the golfers who have been instantly turned off by the price of the “Tour Weight Recoils” – you can look again. At $45 they are still expensive (probably $85-$95) installed and tweaked by most good clubmakers but they are not priced into the stratosphere.

      Best regards, Leith Anderson, Indianapolis
      (Admitted UST “Fanboy” and Golf Digest Top 100 Clubfitter 2011

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      Leith Anderson

      11 years ago

      When it comes time to choose new iron shafts – distance doesn’t mean anything, especially if it’s just a yard or two. That kind of difference is simply natural from normal results in a single testing session. A fair summary of the data is probably that there’s “no difference” in performance.

      That was a weird comment from the player who picked up 22 yards with a 6 iron. To say that was an extraordinary result would be an understatement.

      To anyone who is contemplating “upgrading” – why would you buy anything without proving that performance improves? The ball has to go closer to the hole.

      The results were extraordinary from the spin and total height numbers. Most very good players don’t want the short irons to go higher, that would be a show-stopper for most. On the other hand, less spin on short irons is a surprise that doesn’t match up with preliminary testing that we’ve been doing with Recoil shafts.

      I think that the problem for me with recent testing results is that we need to know more about the player doing the testing – for credibility purposes – and it would be nice to see multiple sessions – to know if there should be a brief “get acquainted period” with a new club that might play very different. Is there an argument that the test club should be “fitted”.

      I think that the methodology is correct. It seems like hitting several series of test shots to a good target and then analyzing the results is the way to go when you’re looking for lower scores. A couple of yards farther from the hole would raise, rather than lower scores. The logic is correct.

      Choosing equipment from comparative performance numbers is more reliable than random testing for feel.

      Regards, Leith Anderson, Golf Digest Top 100 Clubfitter 2011

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      Dennis McNamara

      8 years ago

      Leith,

      As always I really appreciate your input on new shafts, particularly graphite in irons. We are, I think @ the same age ( I am 66) and I am a 4-5 handicap. I suffer from wrist and elbow tendonitis and liked the feel of the recoils (95 gram) that i hit last summer. I have been playing 110 gram R flex KB tours and am not crazy @ the shaft- feel very “spinny” sometimes and inconsistent to me. My question is: do recoils or steel fibers do better than steel with Pro soft inserts?. I currently have them installed in my irons and they do help. Appreciate any feedback.

      regards,
      Dennis

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      jmiller065

      11 years ago

      Matt, thanks for the data, I just wanted to make a couple comments on Steel vs Graphite and some comments on the data and your conclusions. Thanks for the hard work on this review, it gives me something to talk about.

      Graphite is always a lot higher priced then steel. OEMs charge you upgrades always from steel to graphite shafts regardless, they are really wanting to make margins here so they go with the cheapest thing they think will perform the best for the price they are listing clubs. From an after market stand point, True Temper has SensiCore technology. On there website steel is 0% vibration dampening, Graphite is 50% vibration dampening, SensiCore claims to be 70% vibration dampening. You can pick up a pack of 8 for around $28. So if you figure your shaft costs $20 a shaft $160 for a set of 8 then $30 for SensiCore Inserts you are looking at $190 for the set. I don’t know if the inserts actually do what they claim maybe Matt can do a review on them.

      “When it comes to accuracy, Recoil and Dynamic Gold were essentially equal in dispersion.” I don’t agree with you on this for the PW. Your target is a green and specifically a spot / tier on that green when possible. Depending on the club dictates my target and accuracy expect from it on my approach shots. Lets assume that a PW i average 10feet for my first putt, with a shaft change I now average 15.7 feet (using your 1.9yards converted to feet). I know that this is going to increase my score by a stroke or two a round as my percentage for making the putt goes way down. From 6 to 10 feet PGA tour averages 55%, from 11 – 15 feet it’s more around 40% and 16 t o20 it’s even lower around 30%. You decrease your scoring potential by 15 to 25 percent by gaining 1.5 yards in distance, that trade off to me is not worth it at all. We had a thread in the forum about PGA Tour putting averages >> http://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/6136-tour-putting-averages/

      I think for me on irons I will scrub a little distance to have a little more accuracy as the resulting putts should be closer and I should be able to hole more putts from that. I don’t look at really any iron as a distance club, even hitting a 3iron off a tee box I am doing it for accuracy and a specific length to help avoid trouble. There are times where long par 3s you will be hitting long iron into them as well. Accuracy is really more a premium as little of a change in dispersion as it sounds.

      Anyways, It is an interesting thing to think about in terms of the Steel vs Graphite debate. Do you give up a little accuracy for your feel at impact and a little higher / longer distance. Or do you stick to steel for the better feel and control? Maybe TT Sensicore throws the wrench into everything and it’s the best way to go?

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      TourStriker

      11 years ago

      Prototype shaft is the best iron shaft on the market. I was originally fitted for KBS Tour C taper and then tested UST Prototype 125 F5’s and increased my carry distance on 6 iron by 22 yards due to lower spin and different flight arc.

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      golfer4life

      11 years ago

      Unless any of the companies figure out how to make them ‘friendlier priced’, I don’t see a big push to graphite over steel. Its a hard sell to ask someone to double the price of their new iron purchase to put these shafts in, especially with no standout advantage.

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      SPY ZINGER

      11 years ago

      “Mishits have none of the sting and shock associated that you normally associate with missing the center of the club face. Centered hits feel even cleaner than normal, almost as if there was no impact at all.”

      This was the most apparent to me as well. I think the dispersion numbers tell it all with this shaft, and are consistent with UST’s marketing.

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      Bob Welsh

      11 years ago

      Prototype is THE best iron shaft I’ve ever played. Consistent, consistent, consistent; awesome feel, and no vibrations!

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      Kyler Ries

      11 years ago

      Wow! Overpriced to cover R&D?

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      hckymeyer

      11 years ago

      Just looking at the numbers it almost feels like UST priced themselves out of the market with the Recoil 125. Considering you can buy an entire set of DG’s for the price of one Recoil shaft I would need to see a much bigger improvement to even consider switching. Higher spin with long irons and lower spin with short irons is the exact opposite of what I’m looking for.

      Then throw in the Nippon, Steelfiber and KBS high end shafts at a third of the cost of one Recoil shaft and I have a hard time thinking you couldn’t find something that feels as smooth with similar performance for 1/3 to 1/4 of the cost.

      I’m just not seeing the benefit to playing or even testing these.

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      Matt Saternus

      11 years ago

      I think the pricing is intriguing. Obviously at $125/shaft, the Prototype 125 isn’t going to be a best-seller. What it does is start a conversation, and, as the saying goes, the only thing worse than people talking about you is people not talking about you.

      My feeling (I have no inside info), is that the pricing is designed to do two things:

      1 – It intrigues the guy who wants high end stuff. In that way, it’s a page out of the Miura playbook. The most expensive thing in the room is interesting by default because it’s the most expensive. Some people want the most expensive purely because it’s the most expensive. They will sell a certain number of these not in spite of the price but because of it.

      2 – It creates a halo effect for the other Recoil shafts and UST in general. Most golfers that I know have a perception of UST that is colored by the Proforce V2 – a “value” shaft that feels bad to a lot of people. If UST can change that perception from “the company that makes that cheap yellow shaft” to “that company with the crazy-expensive iron shafts” that is a HUGE positive. Think Mercedes vs. Chevy. Think Titleist vs. Top Flite. UST wants to be with the former, not the latter.

      As ever, just my thoughts.

      Best,

      Matt

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