The 5-Minute Wonder Wedge Fitting!
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The 5-Minute Wonder Wedge Fitting!

The 5-Minute Wonder Wedge Fitting!

“Today’s article is brought to you by our friends over at MyGolfPerformance.com, Ryan Crysler and Spencer Reynolds.   They are students of the Harmon Family, certified Titleist Performance Institute Instructors, and Titleist Advanced Fitters.”

How To Find A Miracle In Your Short Game

This article pledges to help particular players that:

  • Struggle through the chipping “yips”
  • Have never been fit for a wedge, let alone a set of wedges
  • Do not know the importance of wedge design, particularly the sole

For the past 7 years, RC has kept meticulous records on lessons, fittings, phone calls, emails conversations…basically anything track-able.  Little did RC know at the time, this incident created a basis for everything we do at The Studio.  After many weeks of deliberation, we now present the next phase in the Five Minute Series.

Wedge Fitting

Why has it taken so long to post a wedge fitting article that follows Pareto’s Law:  80% of your outcomes is derived by 20% of your inputs?  Our wedge fitting theory has a 100% data correlation.  But players  “switch styles” when it comes to chipping and pitching.  The “switch” or “mis-match” is THE problem creating fear, anxiety and lost strokes around the green.

Sliding And Digging:  The only 2 ways to chip & pitch a golf ball.

When it comes to scoring around the greens, Bob Vokey is the man.  He is credited with coining the terms “slider” and “digger” and builds wonderful wedges for Titleist.  Throughout his career, Mr. Vokey has identified two styles of short game play regardless of instruction:

Sliders

The slider style of wedge play fundamentals:

  • Shallow angle of attack…brush or “bruise” divots
  • Weak Grip.  Very little grip pressure.
  • Ball position near the middle of a square to slightly open stance
  • Uses trajectory versus a dependency on spin
  • Higher launch
  • Neutral to backward shaft lean
  • Swing Traits:  early release, cupping, chicken wing
  • Notable sliders: Ernie Els, Adam Scott, Tiger Woods, Tom Pernice, Ben Crane

Diggers

The digger style of wedge play fundamentals:

  • Steeper angle of attack…deeper divots
  • Strong grip.  Strong grip pressure.
  • Ball position near the back of an open stance
  • Uses spin versus a dependency on trajectory
  • Lower launch
  • Forward shaft lean
  • Swing traits: lead wrist bowed, shaft lag, steep
  • Notable Diggers:  Paul Azinger, Ben Crenshaw, Rory Sabbatini…and just about every player you see at your local club.

Whether you take lessons from your local instructor, Dave Pelz, Stan Utley or Butch Harmon, your chipping style will fall into either category. You can, however, switch styles depending upon the shot required which is where the trouble begins for most amateur players and most likely the number one cause of bad chips and pitches. Struggling short game players blend both styles. Sliders hit shots thin, diggers hit shots fat. You can’t have it both ways.

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The Design Needs Of Sliders And Diggers

Basically there are two styles of wedge play: low to medium bounce for sliders and medium to high bounce for diggers.  Bounce is defined as the angle created between the leading and trailing edge of wedges.  Sliders need less bounce because they do not forward press.   The leading edge stays relatively neutral to the ground and slides across the turf.  Diggers need more bounce that neutralizes  forward press.  If you press the shaft forward 9 degrees, 10 degrees of bounce angle will keep the leading edge from digging too much.

The Basic Rule Of Wedge Fitting: sliders need less bounce and diggers need more bounce.

But it’s not that simple.  Even though you behave like a slider, it doesn’t mean you’re a slider.  Same goes for diggers.  And when you end up having a mis-match of fundamentals: your short game fails.

The most common mistake we see is a slider setting up like a digger:  open stance, ball in the back of the stance, shaft forward press at address.  Then shaft fully released at impact…shots chunked or skulled across the green.

The 5-Minute Wonder Wedge Fitting

Based on our stories and methods above, here’s how you can fit yourself for the wonder wedge, the rest of the wedges in your bag and cure the yips in five minutes or less. We even feature your budget for budget-minded players.

  1. Find a downhill, short-sided, tight lie scenario no longer than 15 yards.
  2. Chip 10 balls left handed, track the results.
  3. Chip 10 balls right handed, track the results.
  4. Determine your superior hand. Trail hand (Right handed) players are sliders, lead hand (left hand) players are diggers. Opposite for southpaw golfers.

Sliders

Use Slider style fundamentals: square stance ball near the middle, weak grip, light grip pressure, etc.

Two Wedge Budget for a Pitching Wedge at 48 degrees of loft:

  1. New wedge lofts: 54 and 60 wonder wedge.
  2. The bounce on the new 54 and 60 should be less than or equal to 8 degrees.
  3. In some cases where golfers play in a variety of turf conditions, we suggest a higher bounce on the GW…so 8-11 degrees of bounce) will help super soft conditions like wet fairways and fluffy bunkers.

Three Wedge Budget for a Pitching Wedge at 48 degrees of loft:

  1. New wedge lofts: 52, 56, 60 wonder wedge.
  2. The bounce angles should be less than or equal to 8 degrees.
  3. The 56 may have 8-11 bounce degrees depending upon whether you play in soft conditions.

Two Wedge Budget for a Pitching Wedge at 46 degrees of loft:

  1. New wedge lofts: 52, 58 wonder wedge.
  2. The bounce angles should be less than or equal to 8 degrees

Three Wedge Budget for a pitching wedge at 46 degrees of loft:

  1. New wedge lofts 50, 54, 58 wonder wedge.
  2. The bounce angles should be less than or equal to 8 degrees
  3. The 54 may have 8-11 bounce degrees depending upon whether you play in soft conditions.

Diggers

Use Digger style fundamentals: open stance, ball near the back, forward press, strong grip, etc

Two Wedge Budget for a Pitching Wedge at 48 degrees of loft:

  1. New wedge lofts: 54 and 60 wonder wedge.
  2. The bounce on the new 54 and 60 should be equal to or higher than 10 degrees.

Three Wedge Budget for a Pitching Wedge at 48 degrees of loft:

  1. New wedge lofts: 52, 56, 60 wonder wedge.
  2. The bounce angles should be equal to or higher than 10 degrees.
  3. The 52 may not have enough bounce, so we may suggest a 50 wedge with 8 traditional bounce degrees bent to 52 making it play as 10 bounce degrees.

Two Wedge Budget for a Pitching Wedge at 46 degrees of loft:

  1. New wedge lofts: 52, 58 wonder wedge.
  2. The bounce angles should be equal to or higher than 10 degrees.
  3. The 52 may not have enough bounce, so we may suggest a 50 wedge with 8 traditional bounce degrees bent to 52 making it play as 10 bounce degrees.

Three Wedge Budget for a pitching wedge at 46 degrees of loft:

  1. New wedge lofts 50, 54, 58 wonder wedge.
  2. The bounce angles should be equal to or higher than 10 degrees.
  3. The 52 may not have enough bounce, so we may suggest a 50 wedge with 8 traditional bounce degrees bent to 52 making it play as 10 bounce degrees.

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Important Wedge Design Extras

Wedgemakers tend to vary the design of the sole from the leading edge to the trailing edge. Some wedges are wide, while some are narrow. Some wedges are rounded while some are flat. In the lower lofted range of wedges, 48-56, we tend to see narrow soles much like your irons. As we get to wonder wedge lofts from 58-64 we tend to see exotic shaping of the soles. Here’s the good rule to understanding what you may need:

Narrow sole versus wide sole: if you fear bunker shots, wider soles will help sand escapes regardless of style. The wide sole can limit your creativity around the greens, but it can change your life on the beach. You can delegate the wonder wedge to bunker shots and work your way around the green with your gap wedge, or add an auxiliary wonder wedge.

Round versus flat: if you like to show-off that flop shot, rounded wedges help balance the wedge nicely at address and impact as you open and square the position of the club face. If you want to execute a simple pitch and move on, flat wedges reinforce a squarely aligned clubface like railroad tracks.

Locking In Your Yardage Gaps

The most important factor to scoring from pitching wedge to wonder wedge is not power, it’s control.  Knowing your precise wedge yardages is critical to scoring.  There are two sets of fundamentals to chipping and pitching around the green as we have discussed, but as we move further back, we subscribe to a Dave Pelz/Stack-and-Tilt style until you reach nine iron yardage.  For an easy explanation, here is a video from April 2009:

Conclusion

Identify your best style. Find wedges that suit your style and play. Lock in your yardages. It will take 5 minutes to identify the strongest parts of your short game. Maybe a few minutes longer to believe that you can become a scoring machine with the right tools and yardage knowledge.

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      Paul Doherty

      9 years ago

      great article, the best I’ve read on the web ! I have saved a copy of it. I’m not able to go for a proper fitting and have to mail order my clubs. So understanding is even more important for me cause I cannot try all the options.

      Reply

      MD

      9 years ago

      Wow Ryan, what a super timeless article. I’ve been thinking about my wedge set up and chipping and pitching recently and this has helped me no end.

      I can’t begin to tell you how wonderful it is to chip and pitch with ease and confidence knowing I am a slider! I was doing the digger thing with very little success, bordering on the yips. After reading this article I went out and got a couple of cheap wedges at 54/08 and 58/04 and played as a straight slider and I’m reborn! Incredible stuff. I encourage anyone struggling to follow this article and to do this – thank you Ryan; you’re a legend!

      Reply

      Ryan Crysler

      9 years ago

      Hello everyone:

      I know it’s been a few (years!) since this article posted but the rules still apply. I apologize that the videos are no longer available…I’ve since been acquired by Butch Harmon and work at the Butch Harmon Floridian with Claude Harmon.

      I just wanted to add more to this article:

      -Further study as led me to believe that you only need 5 shots per hand to reveal your true style.

      -The definition of “bounce” has changed in the industry: manufacturers now calculate “effective bounce” by including the actual angle between the trailing edge and leading edge AND the width of the sole. Unfortunately I completely disagree with the notion of “effective bounce.” Bounce angle is bounce angle and you should measure from trailing to leading edge. A perfect example of this is the Vokey SM5 “K” grind: a very wide sole that has very little actual bounce angle.

      -One of my arguments against “effective bounce” is how the club face rotates through impact. Through various methods of study, almost 100% of tour players we have observed pitch and chip with a slightly open to fully open club face. An open face helps increase and/or maintain actual bounce. Sliders AND diggers on tour keep the club face open through impact.

      -A great way to understand the open face / actual bounce concept is to hold a wedge in front of your eyes. Open the club face and observe how the leading edge lifts up. Close the club face and observe how the leading edge, specifically the toe, goes down. You can also perform this exercise on a table edge and observe how the leading edge goes up and down. The MAJOR factor to consider is that 100% of poor chippers close the face too early during impact. When the club face closes (for any club especially a wedge) too early, there is NEGATIVE bounce, and no amount of sole width OR bounce can help the player.

      -For the Trackman enthusiasts… by “open face” I’m describing the face open to path.

      I hope this further helps the players that have read this article. Good luck with your golf!

      RC

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      Hooryder

      11 years ago

      Thx, great write up. I have read a lot and tried a lot and know for sure why I was skulling the balls. I was trying to sweep while being a digger. Then every time I thought I got it right I would hit it thin and end up landing short, especially with my 60*.

      I just got a few new wedges Cleveland 588 rtx 50* gap wedge with 10* bounce and a 60* 588 rtx with 12* bounce.

      My nike SV’s will be gifted to my friend. I have a 56 with 14* bounce which I hit fine, but the 60* with 6* bounce is a horror show.

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      Gus

      12 years ago

      Simply the simplest and most effective lessons on wedge play and selection EVER!

      Now I curse all those instructions over the last 20 years who have been teaching me the digger wedge techniques when all along I have been a slider!

      All my current wedges have high bounce (GW 10*, SW 16*, LW 13*) so I decided to grind down my LW sole to about 6* and the GW to about 3* to match my PW bounce so it plays the same on full shots. I’m leaving my SW bounce as is so it helps me get out of fluffy sand or very soft turf.

      The LW now sits very low and so much easier to flop shots now! No more thin shots!!!

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      Jeff

      13 years ago

      I don’t know how many times I have tried to explain that to customers wanting to buy wedges and they never listen….I need to have these videos on hand at my store to show them…great article and glad you posted it…thanks!

      Reply

      Golfzilla

      13 years ago

      Interesting test, but shouldn’t the wedge used be more specific. If you use a digger wedge, how does that bias the results?

      Reply

      stevenhw8

      13 years ago

      just a question… when trying to find out if slider/digger

      “Find a downhill, short-sided, tight lie scenario no longer than 15 yards.”

      does it mean you position yourself so the left foot is lower than the right foot while addressing the ball? or so that your ball is lower than both feet and you are facing the downhill at address?

      hope the question made sense :P

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      stevenhw8

      13 years ago

      that’s exactly my problem… mixing slider/digger and skulling most shots xD
      i guess i should go find out which style and stick to it!
      thanks MGS for this great tutorial!

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      Super Tuna

      13 years ago

      I’ve liked a lot of the articles Ryan has done, the driver one comes to mind, but this just takes the cake. A very impressive package of saying what they mean in text, then giving great visuals to cement everything.

      Reply

      davepenny

      13 years ago

      Excellent article .I have traits of both styles ,which helps explain why I suck so bad on the short game.I just have to figure out what style I am and stick with it.Thanks for the awesome article

      Reply

      mike

      13 years ago

      I have a 47 degree pw. I am a digger. which wedges should I select the lower lofts or the higher ones?

      Reply

      NEAGLE

      13 years ago

      Good article to help with the short game. I have been working more and more on my short game to try to save strokes. Thanks for the information about slider and digging. I always try to slide but reading the article I should be a digger.

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      ninetails

      13 years ago

      Wonderful information again guys! I gotta find out if I’m a slider or digger now.

      Reply

      mygolfspy

      13 years ago

      Thanks Ninetails ;) Glad you enjoyed it.

      Reply

      Andy

      13 years ago

      I should add. I chip cross handed and have the pitching yips, so if you ever want a project for improving wedge play, I am a good “sample”. Every year I submit my entry in the Golf Digest contest, because the rest of my game is solid, just pitching and getting up&over bunkers/hazards is where I am lame.

      Reply

      Andy

      13 years ago

      Excellent article and great videos. I intend to study these more when I get home. Just great work and very easy to follow. GolfSpy, keep up the wonderful work that you do in capturing this kind of information for the mass’s

      Reply

      mygolfspy

      13 years ago

      Thanks Andy…we will do our best to continue to provide you all with more of these type articles.

      Reply

      Ed

      13 years ago

      Simply the best article and instruction I have ever seen on wedge play. I have been a single digit player for 40+ years and I never knew this. Thanks so much!

      Reply

      mygolfspy

      13 years ago

      I agree Ed. Ryan and his guys did a great job on this fitting piece. Most golf magazines post tip articles every month. I feel like it is only worth posting the ones that can truly help golfers. Not have them taking 50 different swings to the course.

      Reply

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